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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by tdayof(m): 2:47pm On Jan 16, 2018
BruncleZuma:


Not a very good idea, profit before quality might become the other of the day look at every public institution that has been privatised of late.
Does Dicon make profit?


Okay let do it this way. Sell a stake to a private individual. What do you think?

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 3:04pm On Jan 16, 2018
tdayof:


Is this the only information on that product? And plus is there any other one also in use.

I doubt bokaram uses voip. If they do, the best thing is to block the use of such service but then friendly forces will n be affected in such area.

More or less , u might search for EW in the technical thread for additional info. There r other systems too but due to operational secrecy and compartmentalisation no info is given out .

U might get some clue with respect to some of these systems in the technical thread where I once posted around 20 such systems from Indi... private companies, odunayaw might remember about them he was pretty concerned about their misuse grin

How will u block VoIP ? It is simply a protocol where voice is converted to data thereby avoiding the regular cellular / telecom choackpoints . It is quite impossible to trace such calls forget about intercepting them
What if I tell u messaging apps like WhatsApp with additional encryption services will have everybody running in circles , would u believe me? That too running from a simple handset.

Terrorists use them regularly in fact they combine them with military grade comms/tech provided by regular foreign state / military sponsoring them . in fact it is a cat and mouse game , terrorists and their foreign supporters keeping coming out with new military and civilian solution everytime we break them.

Iterations of software is enough to ruin existing counter capabilities forget about hardware upgrade when that happens simply put ur on the back foot .
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by tdayof(m): 3:09pm On Jan 16, 2018
nemesis4u:


More or less , u might search for EW in the technical thread for additional info. There r other systems too but due to operational secrecy and compartmentalisation no info is given out .

U might get some clue with respect to some of these systems in the technical thread where I once posted around 20 such systems from Indi... private companies, odunayaw might remember about them he was pretty concerned about their misuse grin

How will u block VoIP ? It is simply a protocol where voice is converted to data thereby avoiding the regular cellular / telecom choackpoints . It is quite impossible to trace such calls forget about intercepting them
What if I tell u messaging apps like WhatsApp with additional encryption services will have everybody running in circles , would u believe me? That too from a simple handset.

Terrorists use them regularly in fact they combine them with military grade comms/tech provided by regular state / military sponsoring them . in fact it is a cat and mouse game , terrorists and their supporters keeping coming out with new military and civilian solution Everytime we break them.

Iterations of software is enough to ruin existing capabilities forget about hardware upgrade when that happens simply put ur on the back foot .

I consider Whatspp, Skype to be some voip service too. Terrorist can turn them into a means of communication since cell calls are being intercepted. Most especially the use of whatsapp voice note.

Once whatsapp is being blocked then such can be neglected. Like china blocking the use of whatsapp and google services.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BruncleZuma: 3:09pm On Jan 16, 2018
tdayof:

Does Dicon make profit?


Okay let do it this way. Sell a stake to a private individual. What do you think?

That's a splendid business idea until we arrive at National Security.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by tdayof(m): 3:14pm On Jan 16, 2018
BruncleZuma:


That's a splendid business idea until we arrive at National Security.

It shouldn't be an issue of national security and ONSA should have no problem with it. Since countries do have private defence industries.

It's just defence manufacturing.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BruncleZuma: 3:16pm On Jan 16, 2018
tdayof:


It shouldn't be an issue of national security and ONSA should have no problem with it. Since countries do have private defence industries.

It's just defence manufacturing.

With the polarity in our political affairs do you think they'll go for what's best for DICON?
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 3:19pm On Jan 16, 2018
tdayof:


I consider Whatspp, Skype to be some voip service too. Terrorist can turn them into a means of communication since cell calls are being intercepted. Most especially the use of whatsapp voice note.

Once whatsapp is being blocked then such can be neglected. Like china blocking the use of whatsapp and google services.

Ur free to disagree but let me tell u this nobody can block anything completely especially those related to Internet , ask the Chinese grin

Blocking the services is useless it is to discourage the general public from accessing them , with very little effort u can bypass the state imposed controls.

How about using VPN or proxies eh? grin
Give a try when ur in China and tell me if it works or not grin grin grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by tdayof(m): 3:21pm On Jan 16, 2018
nemesis4u:


Ur free to disagree but let me tell u this nobody can block anything completely especially those related to Internet , ask the Chinese grin

Blocking the services is useless it is to discourage the general public from accessing them , with very little effort u can bypass the state imposed controls.

How about using VPN or proxies eh? grin

Yes I know it can't be blocked completely. I still access facebook and all those blocked websites but then bokoharam isn't that of a genius to know some of this Shiit grin
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by tdayof(m): 3:22pm On Jan 16, 2018
BruncleZuma:


With the polarity in our political affairs do you think they'll go for what's best for DICON?

So far it's making money, then it's making sense.


That's the Nigerian doctrine.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Kalapizim(m): 3:23pm On Jan 16, 2018
jakeporeshenko:
the one on the left ?
yeah the one on the left.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by newafricaken254: 3:36pm On Jan 16, 2018
Stephandeswardt:


The shilka and the 73mm gun....which has more potential? A single sweep from the shilka would have done a lot....the troops didnt even manouver,they just left equipment, i think the crash site was bombed by our jets....


We dont arm our mraps with gpmgs again in the north east,we use HMGs..

They should have divided the bh...into sections, distrubted weapons and men so each section can engage the section carved out


Looking at BH body language....initially they were jittery, the lack of resistance emboldened them.
the shilka was probably hit by 122mm shell by direct fire from the D-30 howitzer ,nigeria air force need to hunt that truck mounted D-30 howitzer and take it out

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 3:43pm On Jan 16, 2018
tdayof:


Yes I know it can't be blocked completely. I still access facebook and all those blocked websites but then bokoharam isn't that of a genius to know some of this Shiit grin

https://www.nairaland.com/3220297/technical-discussions-international-military-equipments/210

1 or 2 pages before the above link and around 5 or so page's after the above link should keep u more than interested grin

The relevant posts r scattered among these pages
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by tdayof(m): 3:43pm On Jan 16, 2018
newafricaken254:
the shilka was probably hit by 122mm shell by direct fire from the D-30 howitzer ,nigeria air force need to hunt that truck mounted D-30 howitzer and take it out

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 3:51pm On Jan 16, 2018
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by tdayof(m): 3:51pm On Jan 16, 2018
nemesis4u:


https://www.nairaland.com/3220297/technical-discussions-international-military-equipments/210

1 or 2 pages before the above link and around 5 or so page's after the above link should keep u more than interested grin

The relevant posts r scattered among these pages
I'll check it out. I tagged you on a post . What do you think about Nigeria deploying such capability.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 3:52pm On Jan 16, 2018
tdayof:


Yes it should. Moreover, I'm thinking about ESM ( Electronic support measure) . The technology can be deployed to cover over up to 80KM depending on how design/technology allows. area so let say 5-10 units or this are being deployed to some strategic places in the north east to cover up to 400KM in total at minimum.

The systems will be capable of analyzing Every single network that moves in the NE.
Capable of intercepting any listening to every cell calls made
Capable of intercepting any walkie talkie communications that doesn't belong to the military.

There's a guy in Nigeria that runs a security firm. He's been able to wiretap mobile phones and turn the phone microphone into a mobile listening device. He's a Nigerian and a cyber and electronic warfare expert. I met him during a symposium organized by AOC.

So I feel the following capabilities will go a very long way in dealing with bokoharam till they start communicating with paper.

As a cyber warfare specialist, his organizations will also be capable of doing some stuffs I wouldn't want to mention here.

There are solutions that can be offered to the military but only if they're willing to try it out.



Cc: nemesis4u, Odunayaw bidexii


Nice innovation.

The NAF is the type that is seriously innovative and open in receiving ideas that can bring development.

But in NA, the type of system they run......is seriously a bottle neck kind off.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BruncleZuma: 3:56pm On Jan 16, 2018
This recent BHT incursion shows that we still haven't adapted to the changing face of our war against BHT. They are showing clear indications of evolving their techniques and we are still stuck with the COIN techniques of the countries that trained our troops.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by newafricaken254: 3:57pm On Jan 16, 2018
tdayof:


Nigeria military should be nagging the american government until they delivery about 3 super tucanos aircrafts within a month
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 3:59pm On Jan 16, 2018
BruncleZuma:
This recent BHT incursion shows that we still haven't adapted to the changing face of our war against BHT. They are showing clear indications of evolving their techniques and we are still stuck with the COIN techniques of the countries that trained our troops.



Hmmmm.........

Food for thought

Word for the wise......
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 3:59pm On Jan 16, 2018
newafricaken254:
Nigeria military should be nagging the american government until they delivery about 3 super tucanos aircrafts within a month


grin grin shocked grin grin

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BruncleZuma: 4:02pm On Jan 16, 2018
newafricaken254:
Nigeria military should be nagging the american government until they delivery about 3 super tucanos aircrafts within a month

Even if we (Nigeria) gets 10 of those we would still need to change our doctrine else they'll be used just like every other Air asset we have and that would just be using a scapel like a bread knife.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Xbee007(m): 4:04pm On Jan 16, 2018
newafricaken254:
Nigeria military should be nagging the american government until they delivery about 3 super tucanos aircrafts within a month
It would be much faster if we go towards Brazil.

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BruncleZuma: 4:05pm On Jan 16, 2018
Xbee007:

It would be much faster if we go towards Brazil.
The Brazilians will still need US approval to sell to anyone.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by newafricaken254: 4:26pm On Jan 16, 2018
kabe1:

Don't be ridiculous.

The A-29 and MI-35m come with dedicated ISR pods and incredible loiter time.

Does the JF-17 come with a dedicated pod? Can you provide evidence to support Nigeria purchased JF-17s with targeting pods?

Don't be unfortunate in 2018, apply some common sense.
its reported pakistan air force wanted to buy turkey targeting pods to mount them on their JF-17.Nigeria does need to acquire JF-17 jets to drop precision bombs.they could load GBU-12 on their Chengdu F-7 and laser designate targets using Super King Air ISR aircraft.the question now is,does the Super King Air ISR aircraft FLIR pod have the capability to designate target or they for ISR role only !?


pakistan air force F-7 jet armed with GBU-12 laser guided bombs

Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:40pm On Jan 16, 2018
tdayof:


Yes it should. Moreover, I'm thinking about ESM ( Electronic support measure) . The technology can be deployed to cover over up to 80KM depending on how design/technology allows. area so let say 5-10 units or this are being deployed to some strategic places in the north east to cover up to 400KM in total at minimum.

The systems will be capable of analyzing Every single network that moves in the NE.
Capable of intercepting any listening to every cell calls made
Capable of intercepting any walkie talkie communications that doesn't belong to the military.

There's a guy in Nigeria that runs a security firm. He's been able to wiretap mobile phones and turn the phone microphone into a mobile listening device. He's a Nigerian and a cyber and electronic warfare expert. I met him during a symposium organized by AOC.

So I feel the following capabilities will go a very long way in dealing with bokoharam till they start communicating with paper.

As a cyber warfare specialist, his organizations will also be capable of doing some stuffs I wouldn't want to mention here.

There are solutions that can be offered to the military but only if they're willing to try it out.



Cc: nemesis4u, Odunayaw bidexii

Why don't u first target the service providers , install ur relevant support equipment's at the MSC or BSC and if required at the relevant BTS choke points .

Every BTS has a fixed coverage , so any call in or out of that BTS or any BTS in that region can be monitored and fixed from the MSC/BSC if relevant software/hardware r installed. Handheld COTS equipment's like GSM direction finders can be ported and provided to the ground troops who will feed the captured info to track the hostile very accurately. Or simply u can clone the sims in a jiffy with the gained info and hand them promptly to the ground troops .

Only requirement will be stationing of liaison personal at the MSC/BSC who will update and dessiminate the info as required

That what u can develop ur capabilities in a more sustainable way and implement them within the technology constraints at present.

This will build up ur experience and allow ur to identify ur technological shortcomings if any and also help u to identify the relevant technologies u need to develop in order to move to a much more capable mobile system.

I will always suggest a bottoms up approach for u when it comes to developing tech in-house, since I want u to succeed but the final decision is yours to take as u will know ur capabilities better rather than me or other's .

Whatever u do I wish u success

https://www.nairaland.com/3220297/technical-discussions-international-military-equipments/214

Go through these plus the previous links I gave it should give u more ideas

The old product below is from an Ind.. private company specializing in intelligence and surveillance . In fact they r one of the top companies in this field, not much is known about them their clients includes almost half the intelligence agencies plus corporates .

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by bidexiii: 4:47pm On Jan 16, 2018
newafricaken254:
its reported pakistan air force wanted to buy turkey targeting pods to mount them on their JF-17.Nigeria does need to acquire JF-17 jets to drop precision bombs.they could load GBU-12 on their Chengdu F-7 and laser designate targets using Super King Air ISR aircraft.the question now is,does the Super King Air ISR aircraft FLIR pod have the capability to designate target or they for ISR role only !?


pakistan air force F-7 jet armed with GBU-12 laser guided bombs


Our airforce can try these....!!!

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Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Xbee007(m): 4:50pm On Jan 16, 2018
BruncleZuma:
This recent BHT incursion shows that we still haven't adapted to the changing face of our war against BHT. They are showing clear indications of evolving their techniques and we are still stuck with the COIN techniques of the countries that trained our troops.
True, it just seems we never learn. Smart peeps are supposed to learn, evolve and adapt, always steps ahead of the enemies. I know there have been several changes, but evidently they aren't significant enough. Is it a crime if we go high-tech in this war? Recently, Russians revealed how they took control of fleet of drones meant to destroy their base.
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201801081060595102-russia-drone-attack-hmeimim/
Rather than invest in better platforms, NA bought soft-skinned vehicles, that are not even as sturdy as our Toyota hilux. More vehicles for BHT to capture.
The response to that attack could have been handled better if we had invested in better platforms.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Xbee007(m): 4:52pm On Jan 16, 2018
BruncleZuma:
The Brazilians will still need US approval to sell to anyone.
Surely, Americans won't block that again. Obama's Democrats are no longer in power.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BruncleZuma: 4:56pm On Jan 16, 2018
Xbee007:

True, it just seems we never learn. Smart peeps are supposed to learn, evolve and adapt, always steps ahead of the enemies. I know there have been several changes, but evidently they aren't significant enough. Is it a crime if we go high-tech in this war? Recently, Russians revealed how they took control of fleet of drones meant to destroy their base.
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201801081060595102-russia-drone-attack-hmeimim/
Rather than invest in better platforms, NA bought soft-skinned vehicles, that are not even as sturdy as our Toyota hilux. More vehicles for BHT to capture.
The response to that attack could have been handled better if we had invested in better platforms.

I followed that news and this isn't the first time I have seen that DJI type drone in BHT hands their video last year had some kid with the drone...it's disheartening to note that we lost a functioning MRAP to them.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Nobody: 4:59pm On Jan 16, 2018
tdayof:
I'll check it out. I tagged you on a post . What do you think about Nigeria deploying such capability.

If somebody has done it so can u provided the will is there
it's as simple as that
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by BruncleZuma: 5:00pm On Jan 16, 2018
Xbee007:

Surely, Americans won't block that again. Obama's Democrats are no longer in power.
You never can tell some of this will pass through the Intelligence Committee at Congress others through the Pentagon and State Department.
Re: Battle Field Discussion (picture/video) Of African Military . by Xbee007(m): 5:00pm On Jan 16, 2018
BruncleZuma:


I followed that news and this isn't the first time I have seen that DJI type drone in BHT hands their video last year had some kid with the drone...it's disheartening to note that we lost a functioning MRAP to them.
I saw the video too, a BHT kid in a dilapidated building with DJI drone.

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