I'M FOLLOWING THIS ONE.

davien:
okay....

Why put all eggs in a basket, you'll lose nothing if Christian.

Emmalot121:
Like a great burden living in eternal emptiness, while others enjoy eternal happiness, seeing and chatting with the ONE who lives forever, where there shall neither be sorrow nor pains.

Pipe dream. Your bible God has not managed to be happy in his life. His unhappiness led him to create angels and man and animals, and he has remained unhappy with angels and man since. What makes you think he has happiness to give you when you die?

Is the option of hell fire really better than nothing at all?

Emmalot121:
What mistake is in what I've written?

why rationalize scripture with your senses if you're only to have faith in scripture word for word?

Emmalot121:
Why put all eggs in a basket, you'll lose nothing if Christian.

This is what I stand to lose...

davien:
What i lose by believing "god?"
IF YOU REFER TO YOUR "god" THEN;

1.Give 10% my income

2.Give in to authority...through "faith men" and be easily conned...

3.Demote women...as "inferior beings"

4.When you base reality on the imaginary....you become more manipulative and have to believe anything absurd to back up the belief i.e Creationism...

5.Live by racist standards i.e Demoting people on sexual preference,ethnicity etc...

6.Have to teach children to not be inquisitive and lie to them...

7.Have to force a view against abortion rights and gay rights based on baseless toilet paper...

8.Have to threaten people with "hell" and "faith" because the myth does not go by its own merits and have to be believed by "faith" ....

9.Have to teach children imaginary do's and don'ts about masturbati0n....and other subjects best left to personal wishes...

10.Stand to lose sanity by believing two members of a species can re-populate that species without losing vigour and without genetic defects and believe in a world wide flood...

LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF REASONS...

davien:
why rationalize scripture with your senses if you're only to have faith in scripture word for word?

You actually don't have a valid point here because Faith (substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen) is not needed here, the only place we need Faith as Christians is in the promise of heaven and favours from God.

Emmalot121:
You actually don't have a valid point here because Faith (substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen) is not needed here, the only place we need Faith as Christians is in the promise of heaven and favours from God.

So you don't have faith in scripture, isn't it where you got that verse from?

Emmalot121:
Eternal Fire means Fire of God since God is eternal.
He has also held in eternal chains those angels who did not keep their own position but
abandoned their assigned place. They are held in deepest darkness for judgment on the
great day.
Look at the use of eternal in this verse, doesn't it make sense that they are going to be untied in order to be punished, yet it is adjudged to be eternal!!!

Bros, I'm sure the talking donkey from your book of fables, even though controlled by Yahweh, would make more sense than you ATM.

It seems you can't back up this 'eternal' claim but just to be clear, by your interpretation you deem hell not to be eternal?

Just to clarify. But I'll let you know ahead of time; it matters little if it's eternal or not.

davien:


This is what I stand to lose...

This is a mixture of commonsense and crap.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

I believe in Global Flood, creationism, even Adam and Eve populating the entire manosphere 6000 yes ago, side by side with dinosaurs on an old earth(where I differ with creationism). How many people did 'science' say populated the world? 50?

wiegraf:


Bros, I'm sure the talking donkey from your book of fables, even though controlled by Yahweh, would make more sense than you ATM.

It seems you can't back up this 'eternal' claim but just to be clear, by your interpretation you deem hell not to be eternal?

Just to clarify. But I'll let you know ahead of time; it matters little if it's eternal or not.

The end will justify.

davien:
So you don't have faith in scripture, isn't it where you got that verse from?

I have faith in scripture, but my Bible doesn't require blind faith. Proof ALL things, hold on to that which is Good.

Emmalot121:
The end will justify.

Is hell eternal or not?

And this is a good post. What is the end to be achieved by punishing people in hell?

Emmalot121:
No, but you feel it while Alive, the fear of laying dormant forever.

That's one of the reasons your ancestors came up with heaven and hell ^^^

Emmalot121:
Why put all eggs in a basket, you'll lose nothing if Christian.

Paschal's Wager has been beaten to the pulp
https://www.nairaland.com/2221189/theists-atheists-what-u-think

DProDG:

Paschal's Wager has been beaten to the pulp
https://www.nairaland.com/2221189/theists-atheists-what-u-think

It still remains very relevant and highly intellectual, provided there is no proof of the nonexistence of God.

Emmalot121:
I have faith in scripture, but my Bible doesn't require blind faith. Proof ALL things, hold on to that which is Good.

contradicting yourself once again

Emmalot121:
You actually don't have a valid point here because Faith (substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen) is not needed here, the only place we need Faith as Christians is in the promise of heaven and favours from God.

DProDG:

That's one of the reasons your ancestors came up with heaven and hell ^^^

No, it is ingrained in our individual conscience that we all are to reap what we sow.

Emmalot121:
It still remains very relevant and highly intellectual, provided there is no proof of the nonexistence of God.

As do no proof of non-existence of Ra,sango, Thor,etc then?

davien:
contradicting yourself once again

Is the promise of heaven which is a future event provable? We can only hope for it due to the precedent of THAT which has promised.

Emmalot121:
Is the promise of heaven which is a future event provable? We can only hope for it due to the precedent of THAT which has promised.

So it's blind faith then..
If all you have to stand on is the claim and the claim alone then it's blind faith...

davien:
As do no proof of non-existence of Ra,sango, Thor,etc then?

Thank God you know those fairy tales have no proof, so, shall we dwell our argument on the last ONE standing? Pronounce this name, I AM WHO I AM? Think deeply, how does it sound?

davien:
So it's blind faith then? If all you have to stand on is the claim and the claim alone then it's blind faith...

You're right, because Faith with evidence is not Faith.

wiegraf:


Is hell eternal or not?

And this is a good post. What is the end to be achieved by punishing people in hell?

That that which you sow, you reap.

Emmalot121:
Thank God you know those fairy tales have no proof, so, shall we dwell our argument on the last ONE standing? Pronounce this name, I AM WHO I AM? Think deeply, how does it sound?

lol...since when is Christian mythology held as "the last one standing"?

Emmalot121:
You're right, because Faith with evidence is not Faith.

Then what was the point of claiming it as different from religious blind faith?

davien:
lol...since when is Christian mythology held as "the last one standing"?

It is until you prove otherwise.

davien:
Then what was the point of claiming it as different from religious blind faith?

Because others simply doesn't exist, unless you can prove my assertion wrong.

Emmalot121:
It is until you prove otherwise.

No it's not....a conclusion is not based on a proof of non-existence....otherwise you'd mean a super-god above your "god" is real because it has no disprove....can you disprove super-god?

Can you even tell me one deity that's been disproven?

This is the cowardice of theism...

davien:
No it's not....a conclusion is not based on a proof of non-existence....otherwise you'd mean a super-god above your "god" is real because it has no disprove....can you disprove super-god?

I can prove my God by proving the Bible, prove your legion of gods by proving what they left behind.

Emmalot121:
I can prove my God by proving the Bible, prove your legion of gods by proving what they left behind.

Go ahead then, prove that something can be created ex nihilo(from nothing) then we'll talk...

davien:
Go ahead then, prove that something can be created ex nihilo(from nothing) then we'll talk...

God created the world by Word, there by HE created from nothing using something. If you believe nothing can come out of nothing, then you should be a theist, because Something which created nothing and something must be God.

Emmalot121:
God created the world by Word, there by HE created from nothing using something. If you believe nothing can come out of nothing, then you should be a theist, because Something which created nothing and something must be God.

I don't know if nothing can come from nothing because in no point in time did anyone observe a "nothing" to begin with...

And since when do things create nothing?...

What something can you prove produces a nothing?