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Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by UyiIredia(m): 10:23pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
PAT4HOT: What is the evidence of Socrates' existence outside of Plato's writings ? |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by Nobody: 10:35pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
PAT4HOT: Don't mind those guys o! I can't prove whether Jesus existed or not, but I know the citation of Jesus in the quran is no solid prove either. The quran was written over 600 years after the death of Jesus and the authors could have included the Jesus in book to attract the then followers of Jesus (christians). This was the same thing the early christians did to attract followers of Judaism. His disciples might be a prove though. Many of them were said to have been murdered and some set up organisations that worshiped them. But those miracles they said he did must have been all lies told to proclaim the supremacy their god over that of the host community. It is more like "na who fit lie pass" contest. 2 Likes |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by Nobody: 11:14pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
PAT4HOT: There is. A notable historian Tacitus, and another called Josephus of the first century AD gave hint that Jesus was a historic figure. The famous atheist, Prof Richard Dawkins agrees that Jesus existed. There is no doubt that Jesus existed. |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by johnydon22(m): 11:47pm On Apr 17, 2015 |
JMAN05: Oh most atheist do not dispute the historic jesus, what they disbelief is the existence of one born of a virgin, walks on water, turned molded birds into live ones (gospel of barnabas) and other absurd mythological yarns already used on other older mythical gods. All those were mythical yarns thrown into the story by the writers of the gospels who happens to be second century christians . . . Meanwhile the josephus antiquity about Jesus have been deducted by scholars to be a christian inspired work carried out by christians probably in 3rd century AD, that knowledge is canon . Lol 2 Likes |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by Nobody: 12:02am On Apr 18, 2015 |
JMAN05: What hint did Tacitus give? And Josephus' 'hint' is a known forgery. Also, Dawkins also agrees that God does not exist, does that then disprove God's existence? 1 Like |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by vooks: 7:03am On Apr 18, 2015 |
The OP aksd for evidence of existence of Jesus outside scriptures. This is a quick reference http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-there-any-evidence-for-jesus-outside-the-bible/ theAtheist101: |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by PAT4HOT(m): 8:09pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
CountDracula:Then what makes your religion more superior than others? |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by harakiri(m): 8:14pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
Defending the existence of the biblical christ with the bible is same as defending christmas with santa claus. 1 Like |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by CountDracula(m): 8:16pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
PAT4HOT:Bro! Incase ur attention span is impaired, I'm tellin u now, I dnt do religious arguments, if u dnt agree with whatever I say, jus keep it to urself |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by PAT4HOT(m): 8:19pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
harakiri: Thank you bro. That's why I don't need the biblical backup... |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by PAT4HOT(m): 8:21pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
Mods please kindly take this to the front page... |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by chinnyonwu(m): 9:10pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
He probably existed. probably a regular guy performin magics and tricks till he got nabbed and stapled to a tree. but dont believe the God of the Bible. He is soo clueless 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by harakiri(m): 9:20pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
chinnyonwu: As in...TOTALLY!!! Remember the part where he and his disciples broke into someone's farm to grab corn to eat on a sabbath? Thats stealing plus invasion of private property. I guess the "thou shall not steal" and "thou shall not covet thy neighbors goods" commandment got thrown out of the window during that moment of hunger. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by mmsen: 9:25pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
jascon1: How can the Qur'an be considered credible evidence when it was written several centuries after the books of the Gospel which were in turn written long after the death of this mythical Christ being? |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by plaetton: 11:21pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
CountDracula: So the fact that there written myths about count Dracula means that he was real? And same goes for Santa Clause ? 1 Like |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by plaetton: 11:32pm On Apr 18, 2015 |
UyiIredia:First, the historicity if Plato and the authorship of Plato is not in any dispute. The authors of the Bible, on the other hand are anonymous. The books were compiled by unknowns, revised, edited, redacted, and rewritten by a self-appointed group of men with very clear ecclesiastical agendas. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by macof(m): 5:10am On Apr 19, 2015 |
jascon1: Quran copied From Christian sources and edited what it had to, in order to promote it's dogmas pls historians don't just settle for Bible accounts that have obviously been modified to suit Christian dogmas...leave ur devil out of this, he doesn't exist |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by macof(m): 5:11am On Apr 19, 2015 |
starlingslimnet: Can you address the OP? He said evidence outside the Bible |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by macof(m): 5:14am On Apr 19, 2015 |
ayindejimmy: never have the inhabitants of Jerusalem been more Islamic than Jewish If the Jewish faith survived why did the Christian faith not even hold at all in Jerusalem? A pity, big evidence that the Bible tale is false cus his own people should tell about him better than a freaking gentile like you |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by macof(m): 5:17am On Apr 19, 2015 |
ayindejimmy: In other words believe it before it would make sense Great, perfect example of delusion after faith 1 Like |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by macof(m): 5:19am On Apr 19, 2015 |
CountDracula: Most of the new testament authors didn't include their names |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by macof(m): 5:20am On Apr 19, 2015 |
Joagbaje: Doesn't prove Jesus at all. The calendar actually has roots in a pagan and much older calendar |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by macof(m): 5:21am On Apr 19, 2015 |
theAtheist101: Mark is the oldest book of the new testament and it's 70AD |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by macof(m): 5:25am On Apr 19, 2015 |
CountDracula: Not necessarily a God, the God bit is human invention out of our minds. An expression to make beauty out of the whole concept Btw the first book about Jesus was written 40years after his death by an Unknown author 2 Likes |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by seemples(f): 8:44am On Apr 19, 2015 |
ayindejimmy: Have you had this personal encounter with Jesus himself? I'll like to hear what and how it happened if you don't mind pls. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by seemples(f): 8:56am On Apr 19, 2015 |
aaronson: ...so also "UNBELIEF" 1 Like |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by johnydon22(m): 9:03am On Apr 19, 2015 |
seemples: hahahahahha |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by johnydon22(m): 9:04am On Apr 19, 2015 |
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Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by Nobody: 11:13am On Apr 19, 2015 |
macof: Where did you get your data? Anyway, i was only calling his attention to the fact that those who wrote the quran must have read some Bible's books, to consider the inclusion of the Bible's "great" prophets. |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by Nobody: 11:15am On Apr 19, 2015 |
DProDG: Talking about Jesus, he said [Tacitus]: "Christus, from whom the name [Christians] had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus." Jesephus: “convened the judges of the Sanhedrin and brought before them a man named James, the brother of Jesus who was called the Christ, and certain others.”—Jewish Antiquities, XX, 200 (ix, 1). Tell us how that is a known forgery. Suetonius: "Because the Jews at Rome caused continuous disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus [Christ], he expelled them from the city." .................................................................................................. As for what you said about what else Dawkins said, it is not logical cos the discussion is about Jesus existence, not about God's existence. |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by Nobody: 11:24am On Apr 19, 2015 |
johnydon22: I doubt that, though not all scholars hold that view, but what about the second reference by Josephus? |
Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by johnydon22(m): 11:27am On Apr 19, 2015 |
JMAN05: Jospehus testimonium flavium is a christian forgery http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus Ultraviolet photo of a critical word from the earliest known extant manuscript of Tacitus ( second Medicean , Laurentian library, Italy). The photograph reveals that the word purportedly used by Tacitus in Annals 15.44, chrestianos ("the good" , has been overwritten as christianos ("the Christians" by a later hand, a deceit which explains the excessive space between the letters and the exaggerated "dot" (dash) above the new "i". The entire "torched Christians" passage of Tacitus is not only fake, it has been repeatedly "worked over" by fraudsters to improve its value as evidence for the Jesus myth. A jesus may have existed in the roman isreali outpost but those supernatural yarns in the story are all myths from other older mythologies... 2 Likes
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