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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by PassingShot(m): 7:06pm On Apr 20, 2015
jt2010:


You don't need to grace him with a debate because like their clueless GEJ, they reason in one direction!!! The social program is APC manifesto so why is he trying so hard to tie it sole to GMB incoming FG! He even went further to make statement that FG cannot be directly involve in primary school activities. He is trying to make the policy look like only FG social program and totally\intentionally exclude the involvement of APC state government. The APC social program is a party manifesto so it s involve the collective involvement of both the FG and Mostly APC state government.

The guy is just too pathetic.
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by powersunny: 7:11pm On Apr 20, 2015
This barcanista is just creating activity for everybody here to be throwing punches in the air. This reminds me of a case where someone sued that GEJ cannot be PDP's candidate in the last election when in fact PDP has not nominated him. Of course, the judge threw out the case. You can't build something on nothing na. Even Soludo critiqued the APC manifesto of lacking supporting figures. Now that APC has won, won't it be wise for you to keep watching and see how things will unfold in the next three months at least? Don't be in a hurry to play the opposition, you have a whole 4 years ahead of you to so do.

You are using figures from GEJ's govt to project for an APC govt and you want me to take you seriously. You discountenanced leakages and corruption in your figures. Please leave the headache for the APC govt and criticize them based on the events of their time.

"Those who say it is not possible should not disturb those doing it".

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by Epochsolace(m): 7:23pm On Apr 20, 2015
buskie13:
I don't just know wat to say..but it's a surety APC led govt will fail woefully ...the CHANGE they asked for is going to affect Nigeria badly...i don't have much to say...

GEJ remains my President till 2019
buskie13:
I don't just know wat to say..but it's a surety APC led govt will fail woefully ...the CHANGE they asked for is going to affect Nigeria badly...i don't have much to say...

GEJ remains my President till 2019
[quote author=buskie13 post=32919495]I don't just know wat to say..but it's a surety APC led govt will fail woefully ...the CHANGE they asked for is going to affect Nigeria badly...i don't have much to say...

am trying so hard not 2b insultive; but one tin I no 4sure is dat sum of dis social policies av been implemented and run in APC led states be4 now. Ekiti 4 e.g paid 5k as social welfare to its senior citizens. 20000 Youths were also recruited as volunteers and were paid 20k monthly and some of them were absolved in to the state civil service. So have experimented with these policies and must av learnt a tin or 2. In a nutshell would u just giv dem a chance. Ah! Am so GLAD GEJ is on his way Home, period
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by ndcide(m): 7:40pm On Apr 20, 2015
Good one Barcanista, Though I would have loved to wait till after May 29, When we shall force buhari to speak. Some of my friends here in Lagos have decided to wait till may 30. Trust me you'll definitely see radical press releases and editorials. A lot will be directed at buhari himself. He has to show us that he knows what he is doing and not hiding behind proxies.

He must lead from the front, else .....well, he knows

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by Kororugged: 7:53pm On Apr 20, 2015
atlwireles:


Any attempt to increase taxes at the federal level will not pass. The Nigerian Business community and the financial donation states will aggressively fight it. Remember most of the APC states are what I call collection state, vat increase will not affect, because they are paying almost zero right now. Only Lagos is going to feel the effects, and they rather see a State tax increase than a federal one.. The opposition states will do the Nigerian thing and call it a tribal economic sabotage.

Olodo!
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by ndcide(m): 7:58pm On Apr 20, 2015
kaydkay:
To all those Pessimists/PDP supporters wishing/praying for Buhari to fail you should know that "Impossible means nothing to a very focused man". There was a time when State Governments couldn't generate up to 10million IGR for the whole year (Lagos inclusive) until some right thinking and smart people did the right things.

I saw a report in the papers and on TV last week that Lagos State IGR is now in the region of 23 BILLION (TWENTY THREE BILLION!!) MONTHLY.

Now whoever thought Lagos could generate such huge sums? The money has been there all along but it wasn't properly harnessed.

We all keep labeling Nigeria as a Potential Super Power -Economic wise but despite this potentials, we haven't amounted to anything because of lack of political will of those in government.

I believe Buhari will do well.
I believe it will not be business as usual for those running the country down economically.
I believe some you praying for the down fall of the incoming Government will be alive to see the greatness of these great nation.
I believe the Poster and some of the "PDP never see anything good in buhari" people will soon eat their words and run away with their tails between their legs in shame as the man Buhari puts this country on the path of greatness again.

Just my 2 cents.



No one is wishing buhari fails. No ! The political atmosphere in Nigeria have changed. If you think the level of political discussion in this dispensation will be like that of 1999, Then you're probably asleep.

Wake up ! the bar have been raised. If APC hopes to campaign in 2019 with what they said in 2015. well, they may have to use more than "Lagoon" and "bokoharam" to make any headway.

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by siralos135: 8:11pm On Apr 20, 2015
One of the positives to take from the defeat of the incumbent is that power has finally returned to the people contrary to what we were hitherto made to believe by PDP.
Discourse as this is an offshoot of a ds democratic process and my believe is that in no distant future as we consistently focus on developmental issues such as this rather than sentimental and emotional ranting about religion and tribe no politician will have the nerve to ever take us for a ride as it has been in the past.

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by atlwireles: 8:22pm On Apr 20, 2015
Kororugged:


Olodo!


Sai crowd
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by Nobody: 8:25pm On Apr 20, 2015
barcanista:
Where are the pro-Buhari people? I love things like this... #BabaOneChance
This guy u are a sadist I swear, why are u a sore loser? Let the man assume office first before u start all this your useless analysis plsss. We'v already know your type so it will not bother us what ever rubbish u typed. I am just wondering why u are claiming to be a PDP member with an empty pocket, look no one knows u so save yourself the stress. People like are un employ and can't even feed them self well. Go and get a life because u are losing it slowly. Cheers!
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by Aegon(m): 8:30pm On Apr 20, 2015
atlwireles:



Democracy is their undoing. No decrees and no with immediate effect.


“Democracy extends the sphere of individual freedom, socialism restricts it. Democracy attaches all possible value to each man; socialism makes each man a mere agent, a mere number. Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.”

Alexis de Tocqueville
Classic.
Socialist welfare packages will turn Nigeria to another Greece.
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by Jesusloveyou: 8:32pm On Apr 20, 2015
barcanista:
Nigerians too are watching... The mistake with many opposition (especially in Africa) is that they sit in the comfort of their bedroom to make projections and promises without proper research. Imagine Obiagelli creating a thread to "assume" how much goes into the FG accounts and was even joyous at such show of sheer ignorance.
u get it wrong from d begining,if u know how much gej is wasting,u can't believe,take a look at $100m everyday for kero subsidy,fg wil pay additional 100 naira per liter,so that d masses can buy at 50 naira,we stil buy for 150 naira,

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by Nobody: 8:33pm On Apr 20, 2015
sarahatuba:
Why are we just going back nd forth on this issue......im sure putting this as one of their campaign strategies was a collective decision by people who know all these y'all are writing....nt just a one man decision.......they arent as stupid or dumb as we might think......lets give them time to prove they can do it...lets not be pessimistic smiley#my 2kobo on the matter
Dear, the guy is a sadist and a sore loser. Am sorry the guy is losing it slowly, I wonder how some people are made to be bitter in their life.
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by PhockPhockMan: 8:38pm On Apr 20, 2015
dustydee:

I am not jobless, sir.
You have all the time in the world to type all the long epistle, but no time to substantiate.

You see una life?
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by coruso(m): 8:58pm On Apr 20, 2015
I love this debates. This is the way forward. Nigerian should be analysing issue, gather information. Come up figures to back their points, and not abuses and noise making.
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by enomakos(m): 9:21pm On Apr 20, 2015
[quote
author=barcanista post=32919133]Let us not forget that General
Buhari/Osinbajo also promised to pay allowance to the elderly and
disabled

Osinbajo, January 8, 2015
“The elderly and the physically challenged would also not be left out
as our government would be giving them allowances.”
www.punchng.com/politics/buharill-create-720000-jobs-osinbajo/


This is a subject for another day

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Altwireless Peppyluv02 Whynothetruth Mzmycoli


Special cc: Seun Lalasticlala Ishilove (Please do the needful)[/quote]5k?that is peanut,baba make it 80k na

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by coruso(m): 9:38pm On Apr 20, 2015
This points reminds me of the subsidy removal issue, Prof Tom west came up and said that fuel subsidy was a scam. It is laughable that the same people are considering removeval of subsidy. Sai Buhari

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by 9ousky: 9:39pm On Apr 20, 2015
This Barcanista of a guy just want to be relevant by all means and we are helping him by answering and Commenting on his nonsense post.. Let's ignore d loser and his post and let him continue grieving wishing failure for people who never knows He is even existing...
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by otr1(m): 9:58pm On Apr 20, 2015
I've said it earlier, APC won't be running PDP's budget.
In addition to implementing the social welfare programs, the amount that will be budgeted for capital expenditure won't be less than N1 trillion under APC.


Last comment.
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by Demdem(m): 11:41pm On Apr 20, 2015
powersunny:
This barcanista is just creating activity for everybody here to be throwing punches in the air. This reminds me of a case where someone sued that GEJ cannot be PDP's candidate in the last election when in fact PDP has not nominated him. Of course, the judge threw out the case. You can't build something on nothing na. Even Soludo critiqued the APC manifesto of lacking supporting figures. Now that APC has won, won't it be wise for you to keep watching and see how things will unfold in the next three months at least? Don't be in a hurry to play the opposition, you have a whole 4 years ahead of you to so do.

You are using figures from GEJ's govt to project for an APC govt and you want me to take you seriously. You discountenanced leakages and corruption in your figures. Please leave the headache for the APC govt and criticize them based on the events of their time. cheesy

"Those who say it is not possible should not disturb those doing it".

The above summarises the foolishness and stupidity of the op and his cohorts that jerk off on threads like this. Why on earth must one depend on figures from a very corrupt and useless govt and use that as a basis¿

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by leofab(f): 12:07am On Apr 21, 2015
aresa:







Coming from this same hypocrite who just insulted another poster instead of sane and rational counter views..


Please keep quiet...

you see your life? I guess you skipped where i countered him with the size and nature of Sambisa Forest... Just big up my dear...
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by philmen(m): 1:45am On Apr 21, 2015
probe the corrupt politicians and cancel the federal house of Representatives. Let the Senate alone be the law makers, simple.
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by Chigold101(m): 6:19am On Apr 21, 2015
musing2:
I realize this program is not feasible and I hope the Buhari administration does not waste money trying to implement it. Seriously, why did Nigeria vote out the present government when their policies - rail, automobile, power, road, agricultural, housing - were just gaining steam; real policies that would have changed the country.

Nigerians did not vote out GEJ‘s administration, the people from northern part of Nigeria rigged him out.

On the real issue now: Buhari‘s administration will not move out what this present government is doing in the area you mentioned.
Soon they will make open to all the world to hear that they will continue with GEJ‘s projects.
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by agabusta: 9:18am On Apr 21, 2015
leofab:
counter him intelligently if you are educated and not calling names..

You that you are educated, pls try and make use of your reasoning faculty and that your education. Where did I call him names in my response??

agabusta:
Sit your ass down and let the administration come on board before you start your opposition work. You still have 4 years ahead to tackle the administration, you better don't dissipate your energy too early.

You just seem to me like those people that will be running full speed at the start of a 10,000metres marathon only to drop off mid-way.

The administration is yet to come on board, you are already being pessimistic.

will be back...
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by hush15: 9:46am On Apr 21, 2015
barcanista:
PLEASE TAKE TIME TO READ

This thread is in response to the Thread by Obiagelli's https://www.nairaland.com/2265908/buharis-social-program-very-possible. In her bid to defend the Social policy of Mr Buhari, Obiagelli insulted the intelligence of Nigerians with respect to what is accrued to the Federal Government in revenue per fiscal year. Let us start by putting things in order...

Nigeria's Revenue:
Nigeria's revenue is accrued through oil export, non oil export, oil tax and non oil tax. The Federal Inland Revenue Service is statutory responsible for the collection of both oil profit tax and non oil tax. The money for oil export goes directly to the Federation Account via the NNPC. The money generated via non oil export goes directly to the federation account through relevant Agencies.

Oil Revenue:
The total sum realised through Oil export(after operational cost) and oil profit tax is known as "Oil Revenue"

Non Oil Revenue
While the sum realised through export of other commodities(after operational cost) and the money realised from non oil profit tax is called "Non Oil Revenue".

What Did Nigeria Earn Between January 2014 and January 2015?
Nigeria Total Earning:

Jan 2014 - June 2014 = N5.109trn

June 2014 - Jan 2015= N3.676trn

Total: N8.785trn

Total Oil Revenue (Oil Export Earning + Oil taxes)
= 70% of Total Revenue ie N6.15trn

*Total Non Oil Revenue (Non Oil Export + Non oil taxes)
= 30% of N8.785trn ie N2.635 trn

Jan 2014- June 2014 = N1.08trn*
July 2014 - Jan 2015= N1.556trn [N2.635trn]

Understanding FIRS 2014 Report:
FIRS announced that the sum of N4.69trn was generated in 2014. The report indicated that N2.45 trillion, representing 52.96 per cent, was collected from petroleum profit tax while N2.24 trillion, representing 47.04 per cent, was collected from non-oil taxes during the period.
Analysis
This sum(N4.69trn) is not independent of the published N8.785trn that Nigeria was said to earn between Jan 2014 and January 2014. It is a part and parcel of the total revenue.

How Much Did FG Get In 2014?
There is a consolidated Sharing formula between FG, States, LGs and Oil Producin States(13%) after operational and other associated cost has been deducted.
FG Earnings In 2014
1st Qtr: N912 billion
2nd Qtr: N864.2 billion
3rd Qtr: N924.68 billon
4th Qtr: N617.186 billion
Total 2014= N3.318trn

2014 Budget: N4.6trn
FG Projected Earning for 2014= N3.73tr
Real Earning = N3.318trn
Deficit in 2014 Fiscal Year: N1.282trn

What this means is that the money accrued to the FG was not even enough to fund 2014 budget. We had a deficit of N1.282trn.
Also note that the fall in oil price affected our earning.


Looking At 2015 Budget:
The 2015 budget(as adjusted) stand at N4.3trn.
Projected Revenue For 2015= N3.603trn
Deficit: N1.297trn (N4.3trn - N3.603trn)

This means the 2015 budget will be run on deficit of N1.297trn (as confirmed by the Senate).

Looking At Buhari's Proposal
With Buhari's proposed N1.89tr Social program, it invariably means an additional N1.89trn will be added to the projected deficit of N1.29 trn ie N3.187trn if he is to go ahead with paying of N5000 to 25 million unemployed annually, from where will he be able to make up the HUGE deficit?.

Analysing The Argument of The Pro-Buharis
Some Pro-Buharis claim that the project will be done in phase of 5m people per year. However, the problem of "How to identify these 5m beneficiaries" and what will be the for selection?
Anyway, that is for another day. Let's go by their argument...
Unemployment benefit: 5m * N5000 = N300 billion.

*The N300b is for the payment benefit alone*. Add that to logistics, overhead and operational cost that the program will incur (approx 50% ie N150billion) annually.

Total: N300b + N150b = N450b

Feeding for 40m Public School Children = N373 billion.

Subtotal: N823 billion.

Where Will Buhari Source For the estimated N823 billion?

- Remove Subsidy? Total package for petrol and kerosene subsidies plus SURE-P fund = N166.5b. That is clearly not up to 30%.

- Invest All Capital Expenditure + Subsidy? This will be a very silly move though. But adding Capital Expenditure and Subsidy will total N866.9 billion. Just a little above the projected N823billion.
Going this route means there will be no project for road, no infrastructure and other capital projects. In fact, it is synonymous to eating the present away.

- Will He Borrow? Borrowing to fund Social Welfare program is synonymous to eating away the future. That means indebting our future and a panacea to economic collapse likened to what happened to Greece if not worse. It also means increasing our already projected deficit of N1.29 trillion

What is the fate of this Social program? Feasible, Laudable or Laughable?

Hey Barca,

the way it is now, let's not argue with some who are completely blinded by their hate and figure for the presidency.

how ever, I beg we do this :

research back through all the campaigns of APC. keep them and wait till its time to hold them accountable. We give them a dose of their own medicine. that's the way to let people see that the so called APC is a political scam and a national sham.

till then,people will argue what they don't understand.
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by ApexTitan(m): 9:58am On Apr 21, 2015
siralos135:
One of the positives to take from the defeat of the incumbent is that power has finally returned to the people contrary to what we were hitherto made to believe by PDP.
Discourse as this is an offshoot of a ds democratic process and my believe is that in no distant future as we consistently focus on developmental issues such as this rather than sentimental and emotional ranting about religion and tribe no politician will have the nerve to ever take us for a ride as it has been in the past.

Well said, well said!

All those people who come here and dismiss discussions like this don't have the best interest of the country at heart, they are only driven by their party affiliations and political interests.

Nigeria has successfully transitioned from one party to another (well by May 29 it will be official). That's a good thing. We have changed leaders, now the followers should change their approach. That means that we should be critical of whatever our leaders propose promise or do. The era of blindly accepting whatever these politicians throw at us has passed. Keep them on their toes from day 1 so they don't sleep.

When Buhari says X, people should ask how? We shouldn't start clapping and heaping praises as though we stand before a deity that cannot be mistaken.

Threads of this nature should be encouraged!
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by spenca: 10:01am On Apr 21, 2015
Someone needs to grant Babatunde Fowler an interview and ask how he made LIRS a benchmark for the whole nation then you would understand till then mate ,go put to bed
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by OneNaira6: 10:05am On Apr 21, 2015
I've read both the first topic from the OP as well replies from APC addressing the topic and till now, I've yet to read any APC followers give a plausible explanation how Buhari plans to achieve some of his promise.
My real interest is literally how he plans to pay each unemployed youth 5000 naira each month without killing that nation's entire savings.
I've equally read this thread from page 0 to now and I still haven't read a plausible explanation. SMH
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by Nobody: 10:15am On Apr 21, 2015
OneNaira6:
I've read both the first topic from the OP as well replies from APC addressing the topic and till now, I've yet to read any APC followers give a plausible explanation how Buhari plans to achieve some of his promise.
My real interest is literally how he plans to pay each unemployed youth 5000 naira each month without killing that nation's entire savings.
I've equally read this thread from page 0 to now and I still haven't read a plausible explanation. SMH

. . . . . . . .how will you read a plausible explanation when you have ethnicity bigot glasses shielding your eyes undecided undecided

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by bakila: 11:03am On Apr 21, 2015
PassingShot:


You're the ignorant one here for the following reasons:

1. You assume you know but you know not

2. You assume that the FG cannot in actual sense increase its earnings whereas it is highly possible

3. You believe all the figures given by the outgoing regime which has lost all credibility to the extent that very few people now believe those figures given in the past.

4. You failed to factor in what can be saved by blocking leakages and limiting corruption/looting.

5. Finally, you are unnecessarily proud, arrogant and an unrepentant sore loser!
Your aptly summed up the situation. The Pwc report said $1.48bn was missing and should be refunded that alone will take care of the welfare policy.

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by bakila: 11:07am On Apr 21, 2015
torkaka:


. . . . . . . .how will you read a plausible explanation when you have ethnicity bigot glasses shielding your eyes undecided undecided
The guy ignored the fact the the audit paid for by the Government indicted her for $1.48bn. The banker who receives the the money said that $20bn was missing.

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Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by bakila: 11:16am On Apr 21, 2015
One thing the Goodluck apologist fail to take into account, when they compare his Government and the incoming one is the love of the former for corruption. The manner corruption and the loss it brings to the economy is celebrated and defended borders on insanity.
Re: Buhari Social Program PART II: Feasible or Laughable? by Nobody: 12:02pm On Apr 21, 2015
hush15:


Hey Barca,

the way it is now, let's not argue with some who are completely blinded by their hate and figure for the presidency.

how ever, I beg we do this :

research back through all the campaigns of APC. keep them and wait till its time to hold them accountable. We give them a dose of their own medicine. that's the way to let people see that the so called APC is a political scam and a national sham.

till then,people will argue what they don't understand.


Rightly said. I'm actually doin dat

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