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Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 12:05pm On Apr 26, 2015
Good afternoon my fellow Nairalanders, please help douse my curiosity... I went to church today and my pastor was all about tithing, stressing on the need to tithe, threatening on how we re doomed/cursed should your tithe not be paid, and prosperity shall be far fetched from us, he underscored that any shortage of the supposed 1/10th brought into the church won't be counted by the lord as your tithe rather it shall be seen as mere offering, and we shall still lack the bliss and blessings of tithing. He read out several bible passages about tithing, to ditch prosaicism I'll quote just 1 , Malachi 3:8-11 ......

KJV:Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 .KJV:Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10. KJV:Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 .KJV:And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts. !

some other passages were quoted as well, but I got to notice something, the very first and important passage of the bible about tithing was skipped, and that was were the Lord explicitly explained what a tithe meant and how it supposed to be observed.... In deutronomy 14:22-29

KJV:Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 KJV:And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 KJV:And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 KJV:Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 KJV:And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
27 KJV:And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
28 KJV:At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29 KJV:And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

my fellow brethren, from the passage above it was explicitly said by the Lord, we should take our tithe into the house of the Lord and purchase whatsoever our soul LUSTHET after to eat, dine and wine .... and at the end of every 3 yrs we should take it to the church and share some to the Levite , also the motherless and homeless e.t.c . And I have obeyed this to the later .

So please my brethren and fellow Christians are my not obeying the word of God? As written Am I Right? Is my pastor's Sermon wrong?

I need honest and true responses please... thank you.

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by godsamist: 12:39pm On Apr 26, 2015
What other facts do you want after these catalogues of evidence tendered?
Have you ever asked the structure you are in how is built or maintained?
The full time church workers how are they paid?
Don't your church have some challening situation?
Your correct tithing helps in removing these burden from your pastors.
Pls all your facts tendered are in line with God's requiremente..Be thou obedience to his voice it shall be well with you!

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 12:50pm On Apr 26, 2015
godsamist:
What other facts do you want after these catalogues of evidence tendered?
Have you ever asked the structure you are in how is built or maintained?
The full time church workers how are they paid?
Don't your church have some challening situation?
Your correct tithing helps in removing these burden from your pastors.
Pls all your facts tendered are in line with God's requiremente..Be thou obedience to his voice it shall be well with you!
you seem not to understand my chronicle, my plight , my pastor is asking us to pay 1/10th of our income to the church as tithe, but the bible told us to take the tithe of our hands , buy the things our soul lusteth after, and take it to the church to eat it there ..... (those are two different accounts) I fellow my bible but my pastor is telling me to do the contrary

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by godsamist: 1:22pm On Apr 26, 2015
Let start from your foundation then and see where you faunted.
Really needs serious intercession to deliever you.
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 1:33pm On Apr 26, 2015
Raymondenyi:
you seem not to understand my chronicle, my plight , my pastor is asking us to pay 1/10th of our income to the church as tithe, but the bible told us to take the tithe of our hands , buy the things our soul lusteth after, and take it to the church to eat it there ..... (those are two different accounts) I fellow my bible but my pastor is telling me to do the contrary
u should read your bible under the leading of the Holy Spirit and not your flesh. whatever the spirit doesn't reveal to you no pastor can.
the bible passage you are quoting gives a condition. it says for those who live far from the temple and cannot go down maybe because of certain constraints. not for you who is able to make it to church regularly. stop fighting the will of God.
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pls don't quote me if u are here to justify not tithing.

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 11:31pm On Apr 28, 2015
Op u re very right; I'm in on this one with you.
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by An2elect2(f): 10:15am On Apr 29, 2015
This pretty sums it up:


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Tithes, a tenth of the land's crops production, were property of the Lord, to be used for the
widows, the fatherless, and the stranger in the land - not just for the priests' sole usage. Tithes were
supposed to be stored in a place commanded by God, to relieve those in need as well as to rejoice, when the
families and servants of the contributors were to eat in celebration from the tithed foods, together with the
priests. The priesthood of Aaron and the sons of Levi, which had commandments to take tithes from the
people, died with Christ's sacrifice of himself, establishing Christ as the everlasting priest of an everlasting
priesthood. So tithing died when the old priesthood died, when the Law died. Anyone who takes tithes is a
false prophet, antichrist, and a deceiver; and anyone who continues to pay tithes is denying Christ's
priesthood; both are subject to God's condemnation. Tithing died with the Levitical priesthood; the only
places tithing is referenced in the New Testament is the claim of the self-righteous Pharisee , and the
explanation of its death in Hebrews. The Apostle Paul instructed people to set aside funds from their
excess, but that was to relieve the poor, particularly the large numbers of poor brethren in Jerusalem.
Relieving the poor does not include supporting self-appointed pastors or to maintain an uncommanded
temple or building. Jesus, Paul , and Peter all denied those who solicited money for preaching; and as Christ
instructed his disciples: Freely (without pay) you have received, freely (without charge) give. Mat 10:8 .

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Mprex(f): 12:18pm On Apr 29, 2015
christaddicted. come and say something about this pls
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by NumberOne2(m): 3:10pm On Apr 29, 2015
Here is my take on tithing and generally the things of God. DO NOT do things out of compulsion. We do things out of love.
"Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver." - 2 Corinthians9:7

Malachi clearly states be benefits of tithing but most folks always find a scripture to justify NOT tithing.
God doesn't need your money. He gave it to you anyway. If you DONT want to give tithes please DONT. The work of God will move on with or without it.
Infact, the tithing is for you. For God to bless you accoring to Malachi.
"Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it." - Malachi 3:10

Most times I blame some Preachers who try to FORCE people into giving. But these people have bibles to study for themselves.
If you go through some Church records on tithing, you will see that only about 5% of the congregation tithe.
Even some Pastors themselve dont tithe but that is not an excuse for you. It is for them and God.
Finally Apostle James said:
"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." - James:4:17

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by JMAN05: 8:21pm On Apr 29, 2015
Raymondenyi:
Good afternoon my fellow Nairalanders, please help douse my curiosity... I went to church today and my pastor was all about tithing, stressing on the need to tithe, threatening on how we re doomed/cursed should your tithe not be paid, and prosperity shall be far fetched from us, he underscored that any shortage of the supposed 1/10th brought into the church won't be counted by the lord as your tithe rather it shall be seen as mere offering, and we shall still lack the bliss and blessings of tithing. He read out several bible passages about tithing, to ditch prosaicism I'll quote just 1 , Malachi 3:8-11 ......

KJV:Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 .KJV:Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10. KJV:Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 .KJV:And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts. !

some other passages were quoted as well, but I got to notice something, the very first and important passage of the bible about tithing was skipped, and that was were the Lord explicitly explained what a tithe meant and how it supposed to be observed.... In deutronomy 14:22-29

KJV:Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 KJV:And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 KJV:And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 KJV:Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 KJV:And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
27 KJV:And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
28 KJV:At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29 KJV:And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

my fellow brethren, from the passage above it was explicitly said by the Lord, we should take our tithe into the house of the Lord and purchase whatsoever our soul LUSTHET after to eat, dine and wine .... and at the end of every 3 yrs we should take it to the church and share some to the Levite , also the motherless and homeless e.t.c . And I have obeyed this to the later .

So please my brethren and fellow Christians are my not obeying the word of God? As written Am I Right? Is my pastor's Sermon wrong?

I need honest and true responses please... thank you.

Good day Sir,

It is commendable how you came to seek for advise on this forum. And j believe that you are openminded to any suggestion that would be made available to you. All we need is to ensure that what we do is what God really wants, not what we want.

First, the law on Tithing has been changed (Heb 7:12 please read the whole chapter) True Christians are no longer under obligation to tithe. We are not under the Mosaic law.

Just like someone said above, God loves a cheerful giver. If you want to give for the support of the work of God do it willingly, not limiting it to a certain percentage, no true christian is obligated on the law of Christ to pay tithe. That law went off with the passing of the Mosaic Law (col 2:14). Malachi was still talking of those under the mosaic law which is not now invoke.

But if u think that you want to give the tenth of your income, that is a personal decision. Christ does not require such from you.

It's good to give from your heart what you want instead of using a formula which may not be what your heart wants to give.

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 8:47pm On Apr 29, 2015
JMAN05:


Good day Sir,

It is commendable how you came to seek for advise on this forum. And j believe that you are openminded to any suggestion that would be made available to you. All we need is to ensure that what we do is what God really wants, not what we want.

First, the law on Tithing has been changed (Heb 7:12 please read the whole chapter) True Christians are no longer under obligation to tithe. We are not under the Mosaic law.

Just like someone said above, God loves a cheerful giver. If you want to give for the support of the work of God do it willingly, not limiting it to a certain percentage, no true christian is obligated on the law of Christ to pay tithe. That law went off with the passing of the Mosaic Law (col 2:14). Malachi was still talking of those under the mosaic law which is not now invoke.

But if u think that you want to give the tenth of your income, that is a personal decision. Christ does not require such from you.

It's good to give from your heart what you want instead of using a formula which may not be what your heart wants to give.
Thanks for your input, but it is lacking in cogent convictions
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by christaddicted: 9:01pm On Apr 29, 2015
God bless you; beloved Mprex for this invite. I'm honoured by grace.

Hmmmm...beloved Op, sometimes ago i've suffered spiritual injuries & scares from doctrines taught by men..Whereby they hold the truth in unrighteousness & pour out fear...But I bless & thank the Lord for He has opened my eyes by grace through His Word led by the Holy Spirit.

Beloved Op, sorry I have to say that your pastor depicted that which is written in Matt.23:23 if you set your bible without bias..It's good you pay your tithe(best done in secret)..And the act of giving (whether tithe,offering,seed sowing,e.t.c) is done out of love & faith not by anxiety & fear because it will yield nothing if done out of fear.
There are weightier matters to focus on like soul winning not capitalizing on tithe paying.

Lord Jesus Christ never came to abolish the law or the old testament but for fufillment.
If you set your bible without bias you'll know that my Lord Jesus Christ was concealed in the old testament & revealed in the new testament.

My own shekel..Bless you.

Cc, PastorOluT
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by openmine(m): 1:29am On Apr 30, 2015
@OP,No scripture counters tithe preaching better dan 2 corinthians 9:7... cool cool

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by JMAN05: 10:01pm On Apr 30, 2015
Raymondenyi:
Thanks for your input, but it is lacking in cogent convictions

how?
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by gentleemmy(m): 10:49pm On Apr 30, 2015
Luke 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone
Jesus himself DID NOT ABOLISH TITHES. He chided the Pharisees or being hypocritical - emphasizing tithes and looking away from justice and God's love. He concluded by saying "these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone". Think spiritually
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by gentleemmy(m): 10:54pm On Apr 30, 2015
NIV:“Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.Luke11:42
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by openmine(m): 4:42pm On May 01, 2015
gentleemmy:
NIV:“Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.Luke11:42
just so we understand each oda,wat dispensation was Jesus under wen he made dat statement against d pharisees?
mint,rue and garden herbs r farm produce....how come Jesus Neva asked dem 2 bring money since money was already in existence?
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by openmine(m): 5:05pm On May 01, 2015
why do Christians after declaring freedom from d old covenant with its laws tru Jesus chrust still go back 2 cherry pick dose same laws dat dey r free from?
can d laws in Lagos apply to d laws in newyork or london?
if we claim 2 b new covenant believers,why do we still run back 2 d things dat held us back in d old covenant?
y do we make mockery of d sacrifice of Jesus Christ by insisting on being righteous in our own sight?

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 5:43pm On May 01, 2015
Raymondenyi:
Good afternoon my fellow Nairalanders, please help douse my curiosity... I went to church today and my pastor was all about tithing, stressing on the need to tithe, threatening on how we re doomed/cursed should your tithe not be paid, and prosperity shall be far fetched from us, he underscored that any shortage of the supposed 1/10th brought into the church won't be counted by the lord as your tithe rather it shall be seen as mere offering, and we shall still lack the bliss and blessings of tithing. He read out several bible passages about tithing, to ditch prosaicism I'll quote just 1 , Malachi 3:8-11 ......

KJV:Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 .KJV:Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10. KJV:Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 .KJV:And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts. !

some other passages were quoted as well, but I got to notice something, the very first and important passage of the bible about tithing was skipped, and that was were the Lord explicitly explained what a tithe meant and how it supposed to be observed.... In deutronomy 14:22-29

KJV:Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 KJV:And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 KJV:And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 KJV:Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 KJV:And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
27 KJV:And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
28 KJV:At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29 KJV:And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

my fellow brethren, from the passage above it was explicitly said by the Lord, we should take our tithe into the house of the Lord and purchase whatsoever our soul LUSTHET after to eat, dine and wine .... and at the end of every 3 yrs we should take it to the church and share some to the Levite , also the motherless and homeless e.t.c . And I have obeyed this to the later .

So please my brethren and fellow Christians are my not obeying the word of God? As written Am I Right? Is my pastor's Sermon wrong?

I need honest and true responses please... thank you.
The tithe is one part of the shadow (for the laws of Moses were but a shadow of the coming glory) that remains attractive to the church. Giving is not in Itself bad. But there are principles set in the old and new testaments of acceptable offerings.

The person eating the sacrifice should
not be unclean(Lev 7:20).

Jesus expressed this in other words:
When going to offer a sacrifice, and
you remember of a grudge you have
with your brother, leave the sacrifice
on the alter, and first go reconcile
with your brother, then you can offer
the sacrifice. The bible also talks of
giving joyfully (which is why I
discourage giving out of being scared
of impending doom,) or wholeheartedly.
The presence of any negative/wicked
emotions in our spirits would act as an
uncleanness, rendering the sacrifice (tithe for this instance, corrupt, useless before God.) Give only when your heart rejoices in it. Ignore the empty threats.

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 5:48pm On May 01, 2015
I love the cogent n spiritual arguments, been raised here! So froom the aaforementioned , it is obvious that , aaalthough tithe, been relevant, they re far more pressing things than that, so why in all honesty, dooes pastors n prosperity preachers, lay so much emphasis on it; why do they threaten us, with aall kinds of doom and haavoc dat will befall us; if we choose not to paay?

CC: all NL pastors,
Urgent response pls!
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by openmine(m): 7:01pm On May 01, 2015
killerman47:
I love the cogent n spiritual arguments, been raised here! So froom the aaforementioned , it is obvious that , aaalthough tithe, been relevant, they re far more pressing things than that, so why in all honesty, dooes pastors n prosperity preachers, lay so much emphasis on it; why do they threaten us, with aall kinds of doom and haavoc dat will befall us; if we choose not to paay?

CC: all NL pastors,
Urgent response pls!
dats because most of dem cant do without it....The sad part is dat dey know d tithe gospel is one of "explicit error" and distant from d very plan of God for his children,but dey dont want to let go off dat 'stale sermon'....
Thats why am elated dat more new covenant believers are now getting spiritually enlightened....more christians now study the word of God....they now understand d difference between dispensations dat existed before and now....No more deception or coercion which sadly has led some to ditch d faith and become atheist cry cry sad
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by boxer022(m): 8:29pm On May 01, 2015
An2elect2:
This pretty sums it up:


_________________________________
Tithes, a tenth of the land's crops production, were property of the Lord, to be used for the
widows, the fatherless, and the stranger in the land - not just for the priests' sole usage. Tithes were
supposed to be stored in a place commanded by God, to relieve those in need as well as to rejoice, when the
families and servants of the contributors were to eat in celebration from the tithed foods, together with the
priests. The priesthood of Aaron and the sons of Levi, which had commandments to take tithes from the
people, died with Christ's sacrifice of himself, establishing Christ as the everlasting priest of an everlasting
priesthood. So tithing died when the old priesthood died, when the Law died. Anyone who takes tithes is a
false prophet, antichrist, and a deceiver; and anyone who continues to pay tithes is denying Christ's
priesthood; both are subject to God's condemnation. Tithing died with the Levitical priesthood; the only
places tithing is referenced in the New Testament is the claim of the self-righteous Pharisee , and the
explanation of its death in Hebrews. The Apostle Paul instructed people to set aside funds from their
excess, but that was to relieve the poor, particularly the large numbers of poor brethren in Jerusalem.
Relieving the poor does not include supporting self-appointed pastors or to maintain an uncommanded
temple or building. Jesus, Paul , and Peter all denied those who solicited money for preaching; and as Christ
instructed his disciples: Freely (without pay) you have received, freely (without charge) give. Mat 10:8 .
You said that tithing alongside with the laws died with Christ on the cross when the same Jesus Christ told us in the Bible that we should not think that he came to do away with any of the laws of God or the words of the Prophets. The law of God did not die with Christ on the cross. If you insist it does then why don't you worship idols, or kill, or steal, or bear false witness against your neighbor as it is evident that this things are part of the laws of God. I want you to understand one thing as far as God lives and is still in heaven and the earth is still existing, the law of God still remains.
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by openmine(m): 9:59pm On May 01, 2015
boxer022:
You said that tithing alongside with the laws died with Christ on the cross when the same Jesus Christ told us in the Bible that we should not think that he came to do away with any of the laws of God or the words of the Prophets. The law of God did not die with Christ on the cross. If you insist it does then why don't you worship idols, or kill, or steal, or bear false witness against your neighbor as it is evident that this things are part of the laws of God. I want you to understand one thing as far as God lives and is still in heaven and the earth is still existing, the law of God still remains.
bros..u dont need the mosaic law or d law of moses to be a christian or a believer...dats self-righteousness....u also dont need the ten commandments or the other 602 laws to be made righteous or right before God...dats wat paul called in galatians justifying urself by observing the law of moses...
let me give u sum scriptures dat will help you...

8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:8-10
This is d fulfillment dat jesus christ meant wen he said in matthew 5:17 dat he came to 'fulfill' d law..in came in order for d law to accomplish its mission,which is to reveal christ as d love of God displayed to mankind..

4 Christ is the END of the LAW so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. Romans 10:4

3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[a] 4 Have you experienced[b] so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[c]

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”[d] 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[e] 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith. ” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
Galatians 3:3-14

21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Children of God

23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.


26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith
Galatians 3:21-26

i cud send u more references if u wish to have it but let me finally leave u with where it was clear dat d law of moses was totally abolished..
11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also. 13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. 14 For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests. 15 And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears, 16 one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. 17 For it is declared:

“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”[a]

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

20 And it was not without an oath! Others became priests without any oath, 21 but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him:

“The Lord has sworn
and will not change his mind:
‘You are a priest forever.’”[b]

22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.

23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[c] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.

26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever. Hebrews 7:11-28

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 7:21am On May 02, 2015
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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Jaypea98: 2:33pm On Aug 26, 2015
An2elect2:
This pretty sums it up:


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Tithes, a tenth of the land's crops production, were property of the Lord, to be used for the
widows, the fatherless, and the stranger in the land - not just for the priests' sole usage. Tithes were
supposed to be stored in a place commanded by God, to relieve those in need as well as to rejoice, when the
families and servants of the contributors were to eat in celebration from the tithed foods, together with the
priests. The priesthood of Aaron and the sons of Levi, which had commandments to take tithes from the
people, died with Christ's sacrifice of himself, establishing Christ as the everlasting priest of an everlasting
priesthood. So tithing died when the old priesthood died, when the Law died. Anyone who takes tithes is a
false prophet, antichrist, and a deceiver; and anyone who continues to pay tithes is denying Christ's
priesthood; both are subject to God's condemnation. Tithing died with the Levitical priesthood; the only
places tithing is referenced in the New Testament is the claim of the self-righteous Pharisee , and the
explanation of its death in Hebrews. The Apostle Paul instructed people to set aside funds from their
excess, but that was to relieve the poor, particularly the large numbers of poor brethren in Jerusalem.
Relieving the poor does not include supporting self-appointed pastors or to maintain an uncommanded
temple or building. Jesus, Paul , and Peter all denied those who solicited money for preaching; and as Christ
instructed his disciples: Freely (without pay) you have received, freely (without charge) give. Mat 10:8 .
Oh bless you sister

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Highcuerayte: 3:15pm On Aug 26, 2015
Christain don't pay Tithe.
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 4:39pm On Aug 26, 2015
Are you immersed in sexual perversion? Do you fornicate? Are you an expert liar? Do you defraud others? Are you abusive? Do you love your neighbours? Do you despise your parents? Do you curse your leaders? Do you visit the sick? When last did you visit the prisoners? Do you remember to help orphans, widows and the poor around you?

OP, before trying to fan the flames of arguments by whining over tithes, examine your character first by using the questions above as your mirror.

As for the tithes issue, your tone is that of self-righteousness and self-justification. Hence I won't waste time throwing up Scriptures to convince you why you should pay tithe. If you strongly believe that ten percent of your income is your breath, please keep it and enjoy. Heaven doesn't reward a grouchy giver!

You are struggling to obey it simply because it involves money. First Timothy 6:10 perfect describes your kind, a friend to the rich dude who couldn't hide his sorrow when JESUS asked him to sell his possessions and give the proceeds to the poor (Matthew 19:20-23).

My advice to you and all your kinds: "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be" (Revelation 22:11-12).
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by CrazyMan(m): 5:12pm On Aug 26, 2015
I used to be against tithing back then, but after having some personal experiences I've come to discover that most little churches survive on tithes.

I have a relation who's a pastor in one of the penticostal churches in a village in the South East. He records less than a thousand naira as offerings every sunday. What he uses to run the church (when I mean run I mean fueling the generator for sunday and weekly activities, transportation, photocopies and printing...etc.) Is nothing compared to what he spends. And even with the little tithes he receives, its still not enough cos most times he ends up using his personal money for God's work.

We christians should understand that its not easy to be a leader in the church. Even Christ during his days on earth had an Accountant (Judas) which simply tells us that his ministry survived on donations and freewill offerings.

Christians of today are very stingy, most people give less than N50 as offering, and expect you as the pastor to use it to run the church, its not possible. Tithing is being preached today because most pastors are dying of hunger. Imaging a full time pastor with a wife and kids, going home with less than N10,000 every month, and you'll sit in the comfort of your house and criticize him for asking his members to pay tithe. That's a terrible attitude if you ask me.

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Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by An2elect2(f): 7:48pm On Aug 26, 2015
Jaypea98:
Oh bless you sister
Bless you too smiley
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 7:51am On Aug 27, 2015
CrazyMan:
I used to be against tithing back then, but after having some personal experiences I've come to discover that most little churches survive on tithes.

I have a relation who's a pastor in one of the penticostal churches in a village in the South East. He records less than a thousand naira as offerings every sunday. What he uses to run the church (when I mean run I mean fueling the generator for sunday and weekly activities, transportation, photocopies and printing...etc.) Is nothing compared to what he spends. And even with the little tithes he receives, its still not enough cos most times he ends up using his personal money for God's work.

We christians should understand that its not easy to be a leader in the church. Even Christ during his days on earth had an Accountant (Judas) which simply tells us that his ministry survived on donations and freewill offerings.

Christians of today are very stingy, most people give less than N50 as offering, and expect you as the pastor to use it to run the church, its not possible. Tithing is being preached today because most pastors are dying of hunger. Imaging a full time pastor with a wife and kids, going home with less than N10,000 every month, and you'll sit in the comfort of your house and criticize him for asking his members to pay tithe. That's a terrible attitude if you ask me.
in other words, the bigger churches can sustain themselves, and we are not obliged to give...

I believe in tithing, I think it's wordy to note, I do, but I donot believe it must be in a church, and I also do not believe it must be every month, u do it when u are led and moved to give.... I am on the scout for a motherless baby home in my city, to visit, and use my tithe in buying items for them... afterwards it will be home of the sick.

In deut. The bible passage I had earlier laid, it gives a detailed description how tithing should be done, that is the 1st book where tithing was talked about... so I also decide to do it the way I deem fit.

In the yrs of grace, Our lord also pointed out, To not be like the pharisees that spend time on less important things, like tithe and forget the most important things like mercy and salvation. math 23:23
I believe tithing should be based on convictions, for things to run the church, other means like seed sowing, and free will giving and donations can be used, Not hammering on tithing.... that's my humble take
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by Nobody: 2:29pm On Aug 27, 2015
Raymondenyi:
Good afternoon my fellow Nairalanders, please help douse my curiosity... I went to church today and my pastor was all about tithing, stressing on the need to tithe, threatening on how we re doomed/cursed should your tithe not be paid, and prosperity shall be far fetched from us, he underscored that any shortage of the supposed 1/10th brought into the church won't be counted by the lord as your tithe rather it shall be seen as mere offering, and we shall still lack the bliss and blessings of tithing. He read out several bible passages about tithing, to ditch prosaicism I'll quote just 1 , Malachi 3:8-11 ......

KJV:Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 .KJV:Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10. KJV:Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 .KJV:And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts. !

some other passages were quoted as well, but I got to notice something, the very first and important passage of the bible about tithing was skipped, and that was were the Lord explicitly explained what a tithe meant and how it supposed to be observed.... In deutronomy 14:22-29

KJV:Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 KJV:And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 KJV:And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 KJV:Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 KJV:And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
27 KJV:And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
28 KJV:At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
29 KJV:And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

my fellow brethren, from the passage above it was explicitly said by the Lord, we should take our tithe into the house of the Lord and purchase whatsoever our soul LUSTHET after to eat, dine and wine .... and at the end of every 3 yrs we should take it to the church and share some to the Levite , also the motherless and homeless e.t.c . And I have obeyed this to the later .

So please my brethren and fellow Christians are my not obeying the word of God? As written Am I Right? Is my pastor's Sermon wrong?

I need honest and true responses please... thank you.

Read Deuteronomy 26 vs 12.
Re: Please Help Satisfy My Curiosity About Tithing.....(for Fervent Christians) by viruz007(m): 2:55pm On Aug 27, 2015
OP, simply put we are not under obligation to pay tithe, rather you are asked to give freely as the Lord has prospered you.

You want to help an orphan or motherless babies home or even your pastor? Go right ahead.

The best form of giving in my understanding is the giving that is backed with pure love, case in point, The Widow's Mite. Jesus said she gave more than every other person because she gave all she had with love and humility.

My advice to people, let your giving be between you and God filled with pure love. That's why Abel's sacrifice was accepted and Cain's wasn't.

Cheers.

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