Why would God order the destruction of men, women, and children?
by Matt Slick

"Thus says the Lord of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt. 'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey" (1 Samuel 15:2-3).

The Amalekites, who were descendents of Esau, had been longtime enemies of Israel. They fought against Israel at Rephidim (Exodus 17:8.) Apparently, they "entertained a deep-seated grudge against them, especially as the rapid prosperity and marvelous experience of Israel showed that the blessing contained in the birthright [Jacob and Esau] was taking effect."1 They were a constant threat to Israel. Therefore, God said to Moses in Exodus 17:14 “Write this in a book as a memorial, and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven.”

God lawfully has the right to execute judgment upon anyone. The Bible says that all people have sinned against God and are under his righteous judgment. Therefore, their execution is not an arbitrary killing nor is it murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of life. Killing is the lawful taking of life. For example, we can lawfully take a life in defense of our selves, our families, our nations, etc.

When God authorizes the nation of Israel to wipe out a people, it is a lawful execution due to their rebellion and sin against God. Furthermore, such an extermination can be seen to be merciful by delivering the young into the hands of the Lord and possibly saving their souls by not giving them time to become "utterly sinful".2 Additionally, further generations that would have arisen from the perverse culture, are likewise prevented from coming into existence and spreading their sin.

Finally, one of the reasons that the Lord is so strong in the Old Testament and orders the killing of people is to ensure that the future messianic line would remain intact. The enemy, Satan, began his attempt to destroy God's people in the Garden of Eden, by also trying to corrupt the world (which led to Noah's Flood), by trying to destroy Israel with attacking armies, and by encouraging Israel to fall into idolatry by exposure to other cultures as well as intermarrying women from those cultures. The result of both the idolatry and the interbreeding would have been the failure of the prophecies that foretold of the coming Messiah which specified which family line the Messiah would come through. The Messiah, Jesus, would be the one who would die for the sins of the world and without that death there would be no atonement. Without the atonement, all people would be lost. So, God was ensuring the arrival of the Messiah via the destruction of the ungodly.

The result of both the idolatry and the interbreeding would have been the failure of the prophecies that foretold of the coming Messiah which specified which family line the Messiah would come through.

Rilwayne001:


Jesus came through the family line of both @1stUnderlined according to the bible. Please read your bible before coming here to feed us with lies you copied.

I'll will reply the OP in full when I have the time…

OLAADEGBU:

Do you still believe Jesus is a prophet that you have to believe?

Rilwayne001:


Do you accept the point I raised?

OLAADEGBU:


I will answer you when you answer my question I initially asked you. Do you believe Jesus Christ as a prophet?

Rilwayne001:


Jesus came through the family line of both @1stUnderlined according to the bible. Please read your bible before coming here to feed us with lies you copied.

I'll will reply the OP in full when I have the time…

malvisguy212:
who among the genealogy of Jesus is idol worshippers?

Am I supposed to teach you(malvisguy) the bible all the time

Rilwayne001:


Am I supposed to teach you(malvisguy) the bible all the time

malvisguy212:
if you cannot quote the idol worshipper in the genealogy of Jesus,

You are so ignorant of your bible, if not you would have shut up earlier without asking me whether there are idol worshippers in the genealogy of jesus. Yes, Indeed there are lot of them according to your bible, and not only that, interbreeding is also in the family line as well.

I'm discussing with the OP and not you. I believe the OP is of sound mind while you are not

Make the OP come jare, I have no business with ROBOT.

pleased don't quote me. Thank you

Okay, now, I quote you without quoting any verse(s), please do your worst

Rilwayne001:


You are so ignorant of your bible, if not you would have shut up earlier without asking me whether there are idol worshippers in the genealogy of jesus. Yes, Indeed there are lot of them according to your bible, and not only that, interbreeding is also in the family line as well.

I'm discussing with the OP and not you. I believe the OP is of sound mind while you are not

Make the OP come jare, I have no business with ROBOT.



Okay, now, I quote you without quoting any verse(s), please do your worst

malvisguy212:
smh

Rilwayne001:


Shake am well well

malvisguy212:
I repeat, provide the name that is idols worshipper in the genealogy of christ or remain mute.

Rilwayne001:


YES, but not the one portrayed in the bible.

Now, please answer my question

OLAADEGBU:

Why not the One portrayed in the Bible?

Rilwayne001:


…Answer my question

OLAADEGBU:


You have not fully answered mine.

You are trying to digress the point I raised

Thought you can defend your thread, malvisguy will be highly disappointed in you.

Rilwayne001:


You are trying to digress the point I raised

Thought you can defend your thread, malvisguy will be highly disappointed in you.

OLAADEGBU:


Are you implying that the Jesus in the Qur'an is different from the Jesus in the Bible? You will have to establish which Jesus we are referring to before I answer your question.

YES, the 2 are not the same.

There are similarities and dissimilarities between the 2 … to mention a few, jesus of the bible was nailed to the cross, while that of the Quran was not. Jesus of the bible was alleged to have risen from dead, and nothing like that about that of the Quran. etcetera … Can you now please address my question?.

Rilwayne001:


YES, the 2 are not the same.

I thought as much.

Rilwayne001:


There are similarities and dissimilarities between the 2 … to mention a few, jesus of the bible was nailed to the cross, while that of the Quran was not. Jesus of the bible was alleged to have risen from dead, and nothing like that about that of the Quran. etcetera … Can you now please address my question?.

OLAADEGBU:

I thought as much.
Your Qur'an states in Surah 3:55 (Assuming we are speaking about the same Jesus here): [i]"Allah said: O Isa [Jesus], I am going to terminate [to put to death] the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me."

Jesus' death and His subsequent resurrection is an historical fact as opposed to your contrary belief that God replaced Him with Judas,

even your Qur'an states this fact unless you want to tell me that this verse has been abrogated.

Rilwayne001:
YES, the 2 are not the same.

Emusan:


You've finally opened up that Jesus of Islam is different from Jesus Christ the Savoir of the World sent by God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob.

Rilwayne001:
Lol.
Good to know that you have also finally opened up that, Jesus was sent by GOD, which implies that he is not GOD almighty.

Meanwhile, the jesus I know wasn't just sent by God of those noble men you mentioned, he was sent by the GOD of the universe as a whole.

Also, jesus wasn't sent to the world as a whole, he was sent to the house of israel.

As you can see, mr. oladegbu is trying to shy away from the point I raised, can you help him out?[/b]

Rilwayne001:


[b] Lol.
Good to know that you have also finally opened up that, Jesus was sent by GOD

Rilwayne001:


Mr. Oladeegbu, you are derailing you thread by shying away from the point Ivm raised concerning your OP, Please address those point after this


Please click here to educate yourself about the verse you quoted

Aside from the accounts in the New Testament, is there any independent supportive documentation? Is there any circumstantial evidence? Is there even one contemporaneous historian who mentions one word about Jesus’ resurrection?

and their boast, "Behold, we have slain the Christ Jesus, son of Mary, [who claimed to be] an apostle of God!" However, they did not slay him, and neither did they crucify him, but it only seemed to them [as if it had been] so; and, verily, those who hold conflict­ing views thereon are indeed confused, having no [real] knowledge thereof, and following mere con­jecture. For, of a certainty, they did not slay him:

Emusan:


WHICH IMPLIES...I believe it's your own conclusion not mine.

So do you mean the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob isn't the God of the Universe as a whole?

No time for this...

OLAADEGBU:


Your book says again:

"Allah said: 'O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself . . ." -- Surah 3:55

It is either the Qur'an is overtly denying the crucifixion or it missed out on the crucifixion. Where you are confused seek out the People of the Book for clarification "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that He was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve. And after that, He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, He as seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all He was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God" (1 Corinthians 15:3-9).

Anyone omitting the part of Christ's crucifixion has sold you a lie because that is the crucial part that brings the grace of God and salvation upon our lives. The central focus of the gospel (Injil) is on the death and resurrection of Christ for our sins and salvation.

Rilwayne001:
Except you want to use your 1+1+1= 1 again. you already admitted jesus was sent by GOD, isn't it? which means that [size=14pt]he acted by the WILL of GOD and not his.[/size]

Nope. What I am trying to say is that, GOD is not just the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob alone, He is the God of the universe as a whole.

Lol.

Leaving oladegbu to his faith…

Rilwayne001:


I've asked you up there to provide any independent supportive documentation or circumstantial evidence, you choosed to ignore that post by quoting paul as your evidence. Even the resurrection narratives in the NT may be convincing testimony for people who have not read them very carefully. Smh