maddock:

[b]As a member of the church you are not permitted to take photos without proper authorization,[/b]how much more these journalist that specialises in writing what their eyes did not see. Please 200million is too small,can someone advise him to make it a 1 billion so that he can start his newspaper company and continue to infringe on the right of others.

Its not a surprise, Mr Chris has a lot to hide

@ Sir John
No matter the response of anybody you will definitely have someting negative to say, i mean what personal beef do u have with Pastor Chris. If any at all? too bad because there is absolutely nothing you can say or do to stop the meteoric rise of his ministry.

maddock:

@ Sir John
No matter the response of anybody you will definitely have someting negative to say, i mean what personal beef do u have with Pastor Chris. If any at all? too bad because there is absolutely nothing you can say or do to stop the meteoric rise of his ministry.

His ministry of self aggrandisement and promotion is already doomed, people are beginning to open their eyes and the truth is being revealed.

maddock:

@ Sir John
No matter the response of anybody you will definitely have someting negative to say, i mean what personal beef do u have with Pastor Chris. If any at all? too bad because there is absolutely nothing you can say or do to stop the meteoric rise of his ministry.

Negative? yeah, maybe to you and a few other gullible folks but to many who are already walking out of the delusion, its edifying and enlightening

lol Kunle

Many are opening their eyes and the church is fast losing members such that the HQ had to split into 4 assemblies and 2 Sundays after, the main assembly recorded an overflow making it imperative to further split it.

Please continue your campaign of calumny against the church while the church continues to ''lose'' members to ''opening of eyes''.

fyneguy:

lol Kunle

Many are opening their eyes and the church is fast losing members such that the HQ had to split into 4 assemblies and 2 Sundays after, the main assembly recorded an overflow making it imperative to further split it.

Please continue your campaign of calumny against the church while the church continues to ''lose'' members to ''opening of eyes''.

You dont need to tell us Fyneguy, I know what soulwinning is like in CE. I once worked in the follow-up unit before leaving for the Haven. I know how Mr Chris is crazy about having overflows; I see it in his eyes when he talks about numbers, it gets him excited. You guys are just satisfying his craze for numbers. Yet there is no substance in the crowd; just a bunch of people who wouldnt dare look into their bibles
I once read an edition of rhapsody of realities where it was reported that a program held in the national stadium recorded an attendance of 2.5million by conservative estimate.
Haba! please tell that to the marines

it is only a church that has a skeleton in its +++++ can behave like that.they tut the men wanted to unearth sm++++. does clear conscience fear any accusation? just juxapose their accounts of 'christ' embassy with that of REDEEM. u may learn alot

lol

@scripture

You have succeeded in saying nothing.

fyneguy, NOTE

i  can see you are already at your wit's end in defending mr christ. the world has known

the truth about him and this doomed followers

He is a MASSIVE ROGUE he still hasn't return Sheraton's hotel N34M paid to him as tithe

Must the foolishness and inadequacy of sycophant followers be blamed on the Pastor(s) who these followers ignorantly worship?

Before anyone will say such thing as "they don't teach their followers the truth", let me remind you that these are mega churches with tens of thousand at a single service a size that the pastors cannot reach each one-on-one.

Mowire:

Must the foolishness and inadequacy of sycophant followers be blamed on the Pastor(s) who these followers ignorantly worship?

Before anyone will say such thing as "they don't teach their followers the truth", let me remind you that these are mega churches with tens of thousand at a single service a size that the pastors cannot reach each one-on-one.

You don't need to reach all your members one or one before to tell your congregation the truth. My pastor as warned us on several occassions that if we make any ill gotten money we should not bother to bring any of it to the church as it is not acceptable in the sight of God. My pastor also doesn't present himself like a demi -God who is uncontrovertable. We don't idolize pastors in my church we just give them their due respect. In a case were you go to a church a the pastor is the central focus and people see him as God and the pastor is not correcting them but actually actively encouraging them, then the pastor can be said to be serving his own interest and NOT doing the will of God. The foolish sycophant followers follow such pastors cause the pastors have given them the impression that they are god's representative

are you blind dont you read your bible what wrong has pastor chris done again! am not suprised they call jesus many names, pastor chris has changed lots of lives even criminal,robbers my advice to you is mind how you run your mouth on the prophets of God remember moses sister miriam, God never go against his word,the gospel you hear today many families put in their had earn money so that you and i will get the gospel free.that was the secret of America and europe
that was the secret of their prosperity, when you seek first God's kingdom every other thing shall be added unto you.
its a choice,with you or with out you the gospel will move.how much is tooo big for the gospel of jesus.the world has seen nothing yet,

Gospel has always been free.

KunleOshob:

You don't need to reach all your members one or one before to tell your congregation the truth. My pastor as warned us on several occassions that if we make any ill gotten money we should not bother to bring any of it to the church as it is not acceptable in the sight of God. My pastor also doesn't present himself like a demi -God who is uncontrovertable. We don't idolize pastors in my church we just give them their due respect. In a case were you go to a church a the pastor is the central focus and people see him as God and the pastor is not correcting them but actually actively encouraging them, then the pastor can be said to be serving his own interest and NOT doing the will of God. The foolish sycophant followers follow such pastors cause the pastors have given them the impression that they are god's representative

Kunle I'll respond 2morrow

lol@kunle

Becos your pastor warned you not bring ill-gotten wealth to church does not mean that the members are not doing it (even you).

the brutality was wrong, i must admit. there should be no reason for the security men to take laws into their hands. i wish the journalist could make something out of nothing. good luck man

Ehn!
Kunle so you have now admitted that you go to church, and have a Pastor who tells you something, afterall. Ope o o!

fyneguy:

lol@kunle

Becos your pastor warned you not bring ill-gotten wealth to church does not mean that the members are not doing it (even you).

Thank you very much for telling him.

@ Fyneguy
Do U have conscience? Am a member of Christ Embassy myself but does not mean I should support anything bad.

Hehe, maybe Chuks is a 'baby xtian', whateva that implies.

I don't believe the Journalist story for one simple reason!
He went to the Pastor's father's burial. He obviously had preconcieved intentions.
I think the Church's soldiers beat him up, i doubt any top church officials were present to appove the beatings.

However, there is no justification for any violence towards someone that is just taking pictures.
The Church should at least apologize if they aren't denying the story.

On Pastor Chris, I wonder why his name is mentioned here when he was not involved in any way.
Our mentality of seeking 2 bring down successful people is sickening.

PapaBrowne:


On Pastor Chris, I wonder why his name is mentioned here when he was not involved in any way.
Our mentality of seeking 2 bring down successful people is sickening.

You can imagine!

Papa browne the idea is that if he didn't hate the independent press so much, no one would've banged up the journalist. And it was fyneguy that even brought him into this, by declaring that we cannot fathom his ministry. so pls comment in d contxt of ALL that has been said.

A_K_O:

Papa browne the idea is that [b]if he didn't hate the independent press [/b]so much, no one would've banged up the journalist. And it was fyneguy  that even brought him into this, by declaring that we cannot fathom his ministry. so pls comment in d contxt of ALL that has been said.

Who doesn't hate the independent press? Every successful person does!!  I don't think the Pastor's dislike for the independent press beats that of Bill Clinton's. Everybody that has any measure of extraordinary success is a target of their pull-down mentality. Barack Obama, Oprah Winfrey,Sarah Palin and everybody that is somebody is always a target.

That aside, the journalist is from a soft sell magazine like PM and we all know their paparazzi antics. Remember how they(Soft sells) killed Diana, trying to take her pictures?I am not a fan of that kind of journalism.

In the context of all that has been said, I don't think it will do the church any harm to apologize for any failings of their security personnel. Also, I think Fyneguy doesn't know jack about what he's is saying, as his disposition does more damage than the criticisms of the other posters.

Mowire:

Ehn!
Kunle so you have now admitted that you go to church, and have a Pastor who tells you something, afterall. Ope o o!
Thank you very much for telling him.

fyneguy:

lol@kunle

Becos your pastor warned you not bring ill-gotten wealth to church does not mean that the members are not doing it (even you).

The pastor is still obligde to teach the congregation the gospel truth wether they practise it or not and not deceive them as is the case in CEC plc

This is possible because some people get over-zealous.

I would just expect Pastor Chris to openly apologize to the journalist and call his men to order. . .probably let a few heads roll to show that he wont tolerate such acts.

I bet that will make everyone know that Pastor Chris is not complicit and it will go a long way in exonarating him

Finally, I was able to read up till the last post so I could flex my fingers on the keyboard. If this story is true, I find what most pro- egbon Chris say about his ministry and the size and compulsory mention of this "bring down" syndrome utterly disgusting. There appears to be no form of indifference to the whole situation. How can the lot of you that worship in this church talk about size and how powerful the brethren is and forget he's just a man serving God and sent (if truly sent) to save the lost souls (if such exists). Some say he wasn't there when the act was perpetuated ,is that an excuse for not creating the checks to ensure he employs civil humans as security? Is someone saying along the chain of command there is no such thing as diplomacy especially in a church? Are we advocates of churches as private entities as opposed to what they really are? Public charities. The journalist could have easily being seriously injured or even killed and the most you unreasonable CE members can say is they are trying to bring him down?
Yes, what is wrong in a journalist doing his job investigating an establishment he suspects of questionable operation? If the church has nothing to hide then their doors will be flung open to criticism and the god they worship (if thats what they worship) will vindicate them of any allegations.Isn't that what Christianity is all about "ALLOW GOD TO DO THE JOB".
Some folks just can't help being ignoramuses (if that word exists).You proclaim your allegiance to a man and defend his actions. I don't think an apology is sufficient, the man should be awarded damages.
Jeeez!! this is not about christopher/christian it's about his chuch.

fyneguy:

Eldee,

If my bodyguards beat you without my authorization or in my absence and you sue me, you think the court will rule against me?

lol bro, abeg go ask ur learned friends!

I am sorry I just cant simply ignore your ignorance of the law. There's something called "vicarious liability", go look it up! The security men are working for him, and their actions are based on their employment, that is to say, all what they did was when they were employed with him, during the time they are required to be at the place of employment, the actions took place on the grounds of their place of employment and they had managers approve of their actions!!!

Sorry, its a tight one, the church, and Chris being the leader is liable for their actions, Victim might win if he as good representation!

This is wrong. At least for God sake it should not happen in any place called House of God. However, if the beaten up crew can forgive let them do otherwise nothing is wrong in enforcing thier fundamental human rights that the perceived to have been voileted in a court of law. Again just an advice, the crew may not get far beacuse these BIG CHURCH GUYS are Demi gods ooh!!. They go at any lenght to obstruct justice.

Am really not surprised because Pastor Chris na crook.What do the followers have to say about this?
All these wayo Pastors wey full Nigeria.