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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by anselm791(m): 10:38am On Jun 27, 2015

it's been a month now without ministers and somehow the system has not crumbled, I don't know, but I'm pretty sure this says something.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by eph12(m): 10:44am On Jun 27, 2015

Realdeals:
What people do not know is that ministers are just figurehead in the ministry, they cannot sign cheque. I believe PMB is comfortable working permanent secretary, they are the technocrats

Then why don't he say so and put the matter to rest once and for all.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Saifullah01: 10:47am On Jun 27, 2015

nwaanambra1:

KB i don catch u!!!

so u are on Nairaland! so after we discussed this topic yesterday u now come and create a thread for it on Nairaland! u badt!

like i told u, i think ministers are a big time waste of resources, it should be done away with. Perm secs do all the job while one political appointee chop all the money.

Nigeria doesn't have the resources to support such wastage anymore - the national assembly should raise a bill to nullify ministerial appointments. my opinion.

Sorry I am not KB, but a friend of mine shared his post and I thought why not get broader opinions on NL

Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Jdesilentkiller(m): 10:49am On Jun 27, 2015

I dont underatand those shouting ministers! Ministers!!
Those people dont do shi.t but only present hindarance and hamper the smooth running of the ministries and award dubious contracts thereby enriching themselves and croonies. Mind you, many of the so-called minister dont know Jack about the ministries they are heading but they are mostly just sycophants and errand boys of the president.
And those crying everyday for cabinet, is your father expecting a juicy portfolio? Didnt your administration ended on 29th May or you want to reap where you didnt sow.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by daywatcher: 10:52am On Jun 27, 2015

Who is going to execute the vision of the minister/presidency if there are no permanent secretaries? Also PCs ensure continuity when there is a change of government so that the state does not grind to a halt. That is why it is important for PCs not to be political appointees

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Rexology: 10:53am On Jun 27, 2015

Apart from being constitutional(Ministers), a Minister ought to be an EXPERT in that Ministry who carries out the Policies and programes of the executive in that Ministry.Whereas a Perm Sec might not be an expert in that field, he/ she is just an Administrator in the Ministry.
That's why PMB is taking his time to bring in the EXPERTS that would form his cabinet.
In a nutshell
Minister=EXPERT
Perm Sec=ADMINISTRATOR.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 10:55am On Jun 27, 2015

Without Ministers Nigeria will save atleast 7billion Naira Yearly.

By d constitution we must have atleast 36 ministers.
Annual sallary and allowance of each Ministet 20million naira each.

Salary and allowances of Aide, driver, secretary, PA to minister 20million naira annualy

Cost of Running d office (Flight tickets, fuel, hotels, stationery etc)
30 Million naira annually.

Total cost of one Minister equals 70milliom naira.

Cost of Minimum number of 36ministers= 70million times 36.

That is 2.5Billion Naira.

if we add Annual cost of Corruption in inflated contracts and others of the 36 ministers as 100million naira only per ministers. That will be 3.6billion.

Total cost of the 36ministers equals 7Billion Naira Annually.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by fujirice: 10:56am On Jun 27, 2015

I thought this OP would have at least highlighted the duties of both but no, you just gave us a half baked info. See ehn? It is not a must to open a thread in nairaland cause we are not the only ones reading these stuff. People also come here to learn, so for u to just open a thread of this magnitude without at least (with a little research) listing out the duties of a perm sec and a minister in a ministry is a clear sign of laziness, mischief and to misslead people.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by grandstar(m): 10:56am On Jun 27, 2015

You need ministers.

The permanent secretaries man various parastatals and departments but the minister is the head of them all.

For instance now, they are moving the Aviation ministry to ministry of transport. A permanent sec will be appointed in aviation but the entire ministry of transport and it's minister will supervise it

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by bigerboy200: 10:58am On Jun 27, 2015

Ministerial positions are plainly political...The perm secs have a grounded working knowledge of the ministries,they give d ministers briefings and what n what they should say in FEC meetings..i once knew of a commisioner who couldn't even grant an interview to journalists without d perm sec of d ministry by his side..

Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by nwaanambra1(m): 11:00am On Jun 27, 2015

Saifullah01:

Sorry I am not KB, but a friend of mine shared his post and I thought why not get broader opinions on NL

no probs bro! no harm meant. i tot it was kb on NL too. undecided

Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by BIGERBOY1: 11:02am On Jun 27, 2015

bigerboy200:
Ministerial positions are plainly political...The perm secs have a grounded working knowledge of the ministries,they give d ministers briefings and what n what they should say in FEC meetings..i once knew of a commisioner who couldn't even grant an interview to journalists without d perm sec of d ministry by his side..

Guy just because I don't comment on NL doesn't mean I don't use the username again angry

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Anaskie(m): 11:03am On Jun 27, 2015

myklangelo:
My BRo you are very right.
What is the need for Vice President since we have a president?
What is need for chancellor since we have a Vice Chancellor?
What is need for LGA chairmen since we have a governor?
What is need for House of Rep since we have Senators?
What is the need for Perm Secr, since they hve PAs that do all their work for them?
Why are humans working since computers are there?

Why are we never tired of fabricating excuses even when we know things are wrong?
Or are things right and wrong based solely on who is committing it and not on state of things?

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Lol. Your sarcasm is perfect!

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by baralatie(m): 11:06am On Jun 27, 2015

what and who is a minister as enshrined in the constitution.

and what vans who is a permenant secretary as enshrined.in the constitution.

without an understanding and its implementation
,you might be doing something just like what nearly happened between the rivers state judiciary.

Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by ruffDiamond: 11:06am On Jun 27, 2015

myklangelo:
My BRo you are very right.
What is the need for Vice President since we have a president?
What is need for chancellor since we have a Vice Chancellor?
What is need for LGA chairmen since we have a governor?
What is need for House of Rep since we have Senators?
What is the need for Perm Secr, since they hve PAs that do all their work for them?
Why are humans working since computers are there?

Why are we never tired of fabricating excuses even when we know things are wrong?
Or are things right and wrong based solely on who is committing it and not on state of things?

My tutorial for the week is out...Igbo ga-adiririri!

The 1st Igbo language blog is out, it is fun and insightful. Visit, comment, share and criticize.www.odeniigbo..com

nobody is coming to DAT tribalistic blog dripping with hate and inciting innuendos toward other nigerians ! Don't be advertising be advertising that bullshvt here this site ain't radio Biafra

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by baralatie(m): 11:08am On Jun 27, 2015

myklangelo:
My BRo you are very right.
What is the need for Vice President since we have a president?
What is need for chancellor since we have a Vice Chancellor?
What is need for LGA chairmen since we have a governor?
What is need for House of Rep since we have Senators?
What is the need for Perm Secr, since they hve PAs that do all their work for them?
Why are humans working since computers are there?

Why are we never tired of fabricating excuses even when we know things are wrong?
Or are things right and wrong based solely on who is committing it and not on state of things?

My tutorial for the week is out...Igbo ga-adiririri!

The 1st Igbo language blog is out, it is fun and insightful. Visit, comment, share and criticize.www.odeniigbo..com

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by bigerboy200: 11:15am On Jun 27, 2015

BIGERBOY1:

Guy just because I don't comment on NL doesn't mean I don't use the username again

urs is bigerboy1,mine is bigerboy200 which i have bin using for over 10 years(not on nairaland tho) as a nickname for so many social media accounts(hotmail,yahoo,2go,nimbuzz,e.t.c)...Thousands of pple bear bigerboy as nick..so stop acting like u are unique..#nonsense

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by myklangelo(m): 11:27am On Jun 27, 2015

ruffDiamond:
nobody is coming to DAT tribalistic blog dripping with hate and inciting innuendos toward other nigerians ! Don't be advertising be advertising that bullshvt here this site ain't radio Biafra

Wow Bro I just visualized Smigol of LORs talking when I read your comment. I thank God am not bothered with hatred for anyone, that's a big cross to carry Bro.
Your hatred is so ignorant that it made me have pity on you bro. Lemme share love to you.

One love Bro. I hope my love will not drive you to murderous hatred?

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 11:42am On Jun 27, 2015

darmys:

lol. this got me.
division of labour

Lies...

Fund syphoning

Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by ruffDiamond: 11:43am On Jun 27, 2015

myklangelo:

Wow Bro I just visualized Smigol of LORs talking when I read your comment. I thank God am not bothered with hatred for anyone, that's a big cross to carry Bro.
Your hatred is so ignorant that it made me have pity on you bro. Lemme share love to you.

One love Bro. I hope my love will not drive you to murderous hatred?

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"hatred is so ignorant"?? shvt, u need to go back to junior class to learn basic grammar not starting a hate blog fit for semi-iliterate bigot consumption like u. again, at the risk of sounding repetitive, take DAT horseshit elsewhere this site ain't radio Biafra thanks

Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by MINISTER2000: 11:43am On Jun 27, 2015

The post of ministers is jst to compensate politicians, Perm Secs r highly conversant with their various ministries, so they should combine the functions, unlike politicians whom some dont know the functions of their ministries. Often times, apart frm jstice n health, most r not placed in their area of expertise n therefor use the first few months to learn his/her new post or employ unnecessary adviser to fat feed on our meagre resources. Ministers r atimes deceive by insiders in the ministry to cause him/her the position like former health minister prof. grange. The jst concluded administration had only one minster n others, couple with his expertise in the field of agric n dint of hard work he performed fabulously inthe ministry of agric that he was loved by everyone across diff parties.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by myklangelo(m): 11:53am On Jun 27, 2015

ruffDiamond:
"hatred is so ignorant"?? shvt, u need to go back to junior class to learn basic grammar not starting a hate blog fit for semi-iliterate bigot consumption like u. again, at the risk of sounding repetitive, take DAT horseshit elsewhere this site ain't radio Biafra thanks

Lemme sound repetive my bro... Your hatred is full of ignorance. But all hope is not lost, you will be redeemed.
One love. My love will heal your hatred bro

My tutorial for the week is out...Igbo ga-adiririri!

The 1st Igbo language blog is out, it is fun and insightful. Visit, comment, share and criticize.www.odeniigbo..com

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by ade80: 11:53am On Jun 27, 2015

kay1one2:
Do you know how many permanent secretaries are in one department. The minister coordinates them.

There is only one perm sec per ministry

Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Immanero: 11:57am On Jun 27, 2015

To me no need. they r of no use t d economy n t Naija. that's waste of funds. God bless Naija

Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by Nobody: 12:03pm On Jun 27, 2015

Permanent Secretaries are administrators and are bugged down with administrative duties.
Often they don't formulate policies; that's done by the ministers as the representative of the President in various ministries.

Ministers are very important!

I'll liken it to having a Chairman/CEO in a company whereas the day to day running of the company is carried out by the managing director.

Same way we have football managers whereas the actual training is done by coaches.

Those at the top are there to navigate thru the environment they operate in be it politics, negotiations but most importantly policies formulation and guidance.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by toshmann(m): 1:52pm On Jun 27, 2015

Saifullah01:
The thought just crossed my mind, the perm secs are the brain boxes in all ministries, ministers are just politicians.

Secondly I hope those accusing the president of weakness by not interfering in the NASS, will not turn around and insult him if he gives the EFCC same latitude in the performance of their duties

Your thoughts...

All this yada is just to defend the indefensible abi. Just bc clueless Buhari seems unprepared for presidency, you've suddenly realized that ministers are not necessary. Why didn't u extrapolate that president is not necessary, after all we have Sec to the Fed Govt.

Buhari so far looks like someone who didn't believe he will win, had no prior plans on what to do if he wins, and is shocked that he won.

Perhaps he expected to be rigged out and had made plans on how to disrupt the peace is he lost, otherwise what normal leader who won elections and had over 2 months to prepare for his rule yet he's this sluggish.

Buhari's supporters will do well to start criticizing him once in a while, otherwise he would think everything is all right and will emd up a failed president.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by sunsewa: 2:19pm On Jun 27, 2015

Good minister articulate good ideas,policies, road map,and use his authority to enforce, supervise,monitor to ensure the actualisation of the programs.

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Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by ukandi1(m): 3:30pm On Jun 27, 2015

atbu1983:
The aim ministers is to compensate politicians.
Ministers are not very important in d true sense of it.

i agree with u

Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by baralatie(m): 3:38pm On Jun 27, 2015

kelvin100:
Permanent Secretaries are administrators and are bugged down with administrative duties.
Often they don't formulate policies; that's done by the ministers as the representative of the President in various ministries.

Ministers are very important!

I'll liken it to having a Chairman/CEO in a company whereas the day to day running of the company is carried out by the managing director.

Same way we have football managers whereas the actual training is done by coaches.

Those at the top are there to navigate thru the environment they operate in be it politics, negotiations but most importantly policies formulation and guidance.

Re: What Is The Need Of Minister When We Have Permanent Secretaries by baralatie(m): 3:41pm On Jun 27, 2015

sunsewa:
Good minister articulate good ideas,policies, road map,and use his authority to enforce, supervise,monitor to ensure the actualisation of the programs.

which means without a declared policy the perm. sec are flying either on auto pilot or just on anywhere the plane goes!

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