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The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by bigfrancis21: 3:23am On Jul 06, 2015
The fact that black immigrants to the United States have shown achievements that are superior to native black Americans has been a phenomenon studied since at least the 1970′s. At first it was just the Caribbean blacks who were a subject of this unexpected outcome. As black Africans kept immigrating into the US, they showed even higher levels of achievement than the native blacks. Many scholars theorized on the reasons for these differences, from Thomas Sowell’s proposal that this disproved the validity of discrimination against native blacks as an explanation for their underachievement (Sowell, 1978), to other scholars who suggested that these immigrants were just the most highly driven members of their home countries as evidenced by their willingness to migrate to a foreign country (Butcher, 1990).

What most of these theories failed to predict was that the children of these immigrants would also show exceptional achievements, especially academically. It is only in recent years, as the immigrants have stayed long enough to produce a sufficiently high number of offspring, that it has been observed that they are over-represented among high academic achievers, especially when compared to native blacks, particularly at very elite institutions. What has been missed in the IQ debate is the full logical implication of these achievements: they have effectively nullified any arguments for a racial evolutionary explanation of the well-known IQ test score gap between blacks and whites. Even more fatal for the racial hereditarian side of the debate has been the corroborating data of school children performance in the UK, particularly when the black Africans are divided into their respective nationalities and tribal ethnicities, as reported in the latter section of this article.

Arthur Jensen gave at least two empirical tests that could potentially falsify his thesis of a race based genetic explanation for the black-white IQ gap. Firstly, if the gap is caused by genetic racial differences, the blacks with more white admixture should tend to show a higher IQ than blacks with less whiteness. Secondly, “regression to the mean” implies that children (or siblings) of extraordinarily high IQ blacks should tend to a lower IQ than the children or siblings of similarly high IQ whites. Social experiments concerning the first test have not been decisive, especially due to the difficulty of separating out environmental factors since lighter American blacks have historically faced more favorable socioeconomic conditions. The second test did indicate some evidence of regression to a lower black mean for African Americans, which only means that the racial genetic hypothesis was not nullified; it remained a valid proposition. Until now.

Using Jensen’s own empirical framework, the racial genetic hypothesis can be tested by comparing black African immigrants with native blacks, intellectually. If the genetic hypothesis is correct, children of elite African blacks will tend to have lower IQs than children of native black Americans, and perhaps even lower than children of low IQ blacks, the same phenomenon observed between American blacks and whites since native blacks are basically “more white” than African (or Caribbean) immigrants.

In the US, it is not only at elite universities where there is a clear over-representation of black immigrant children, it is also at public gifted schools and any kinds of intellectually gifted programs that are highly selective on intelligence. For example, when the New York Times did a story to show the experiences of blacks at Stuyvesant High School in New York, they had to use the personal account of a West Indian black child there (Ann-Marie Miller); if they had many native blacks, that would have certainly been their preferred subject. Furthermore, the only other student who was interviewed for that article, Opraha Miles, a former president of the black student society at Stuyvesant, also just happened to be Jamaican; no black American student was mentioned in the story. A close look at a number of other such institutions shows even more clear evidence of a tendency for black immigrants to be over-represented as selectivity requirements for an academic institution (or complexity of a subject) goes higher.

In the world of intellectually gifted schools, perhaps the most selective in the United States is a special program called the Davidson Academy started by Jan and Bob Davison in 2006 in Reno, Nevada. The tiny school boasts of selecting only the most profoundly gifted children (the highest of the five levels of giftedness) whose IQ is so high that “only one in every ten thousand children in America” can qualify to the school in any one cohort; it is more selective than Stanford or Harvard can ever be. The school makes no efforts or pretensions to affirmative action and as such, they have had very little “diversity.” However, a search through the promotional materials of the school for a black student – all schools and colleges will always show some black faces in their promotional materials if they have any – reveals that they have had at least one black student, and it was, unsurprisingly, a Nigerian Igbo name (the parent is interviewed in the ad posted on Youtube).



In a Harvard University paper that later sparked some unfortunate controversy, Richwine (2009) estimated the IQs of the black African immigrants from a supposedly culture-free test of backward digit span as 89. Although many in the hereditarian HBD crowd accepted these numbers on faith (and the Heritage Foundation used his paper to try to influence immigration policy), such estimates can be highly misleading. They lump together black Africans into one homogenous group when there are different kinds of black Africans, including a good number coming in as refugees from highly troubled countries, while other nationalities consist of the most educated ethnicities in America. As I demonstrate below with UK data, the different groups of African immigrants can have very large background differences that reflect in cognitive gaps among them that are even higher than the gap between American blacks and whites (and yes, these are reflected on “culture-free” tests too). In other words, the mean IQ of African immigrants may be as unrepresentative of black Igbo immigrants as it is of white South African immigrants. It’s a meaningless mean.



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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by bigfrancis21: 3:23am On Jul 06, 2015
AFRICAN ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT IN THE U.K.

The most definitive proof of Africans’ grossly underestimated genotypic IQ (80 according to Lynn, or 70 according to Jensen and Rushton, et al) has come in recent years from the performance of African school children in the UK. These results sparked instant reactions in the IQ debate world as soon as they started being reported by the news media, with some strong hereditarians suddenly becoming some kind of neo-environmentalists just to explain why white school children were not showing the kind of academic superiority over blacks that they have become accustomed to in the United States (wrong tests, declining white culture, an alleged war on whites, etc – the same kinds of reasons they always dismissed from liberal environmentalists explaining black underachievement in the US).

The first report that caused some consternation in the IQ blogosphere indicated that black African pupils were apparently catching up with British white pupils on their GCSE tests and that in fact, they had already overtaken them at the lower end: the poor black kids were now performing better than poor white kids (The Guardian, 2010). Hereditarian psychometricians and scholars from Jensen to Gottfredson, Lynn, Rushton, et al had after all declared that IQ predicted test scores on all kinds of tests since a common factor of intelligence, g, was highly robust.



A couple of years after that news and more stories of black and other minority progress on GCSEs, GL Assessment, an independent testing organization, published results of their Cognitive Assessment Tests (CAT), indicating the performance of different ethnic groups. The CAT, though given to children at age 11, is highly correlated with GCSE results at age 16. The CAT results confirmed what the GCSEs had shown: that black Africans were catching up with British whites, and this sparked even more panic in the IQ-human biodiversity blogosphere.



The performances of these groups were highly varied, with some of them having already overtaken the British average, at least as far back as 2003.


As the table above shows, some African nationalities, particularly Ghanaians and Nigerians, score way above the England mean (and the white British mean), while others, like the Somalis and Congolese, score way below (but still not as low as the Portuguese immigrants, apparently). The low scoring African groups are the ones that migrated as refugees and/or could not speak English, besides being very poor. Improvements among the Somalians have been impressive, especially due to programs dedicated to teaching them English.

Although the Chinese and Indians are still very conspicuously above even the best African nationalities, their superiority disappears when the Nigerian and other groups are broken down even further according to their different tribal ethnicities. Groups like the famous Igbo tribe, which has contributed much genetically to the African American blacks, are well known to be high academic achievers within Nigeria. In fact, their performance seems to be at least as high as the “model minority” Chinese and Indians in the UK, as seen when some recent African immigrants are divided into languages spoken at home (which also indicates that these are not multigenerational descendants but children of recent immigrants).
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by bigfrancis21: 3:26am On Jul 06, 2015


Africans speaking Luganda and Krio did better than the Chinese students in 2011. The igbo were even more impressive given their much bigger numbers (and their consistently high performance over the years, gaining a 100 percent pass rate in 2009!). The superior Igbo achievement on GCSEs is not new and has been noted in studies that came before the recent media discovery of African performance. A 2007 report on “case study” model schools in Lambeth also included a rare disclosure of specified Igbo performance (recorded as Ibo in the table below) and it confirms that Igbos have been performing exceptionally well for a long time (5 + A*-C GCSEs); in fact, it is difficult to find a time when they ever performed below British whites.



If these Nigerian groups really performed so well under the years in question when the media started catching the news, one would expect some names of their students to be reported in the news among the best performing students in the country. Statistically, if girls outperformed boys and Igbos outperformed other ethnic groups in 2010, one would expect an igbo girl to be among the top performers in the country. In fact, according to a Daily Mail report on the GCSE results of 2010, the best student in the whole country was indeed a Nigerian girl, Chidera Ota. A check on Nigerian names confirms that she is of Igbo descent. Ota scored 15 A*s, higher than any Chinese, Indian or white student, and higher than any student from prestigious elite schools like Eton College (she was at a state funded selective high school for girls).

To put it into perspective, these results mean that the children of black Africans (or at least West Africans) are not only not scoring below the scores of low-IQ poor white children, as Jensen’s calculations would predict, they are even able to score above children of elite whites too (who go to Eton college etc).

What are the chances of a girl from a small minority group of immigrants whose home country is 2 standard deviations below the host country’s mean IQ achieving the best academic results in the host country? If the average IQ of SubSaharan African adults is equal to 11 year old Europeans, as their IQ scores estimate (Rushton, 2004), what are the chances that an African child of such adults would ever beat all European children in academic achievement? Had the low phenotypic IQ of black Africans truly been biologically caused even to some degree, such feats should be as rare as having the fastest 100 meters runner in the world coming from the slowest running ethnicity in the world. In short, what are the chances of say, an Indian immigrant to Jamaica winning the national 100 meters sprint? Even more incredible, what are the chances that the children of such “super-selected” Indian immigrant athletes would also (on average and on top) beat the children of native Jamaicans and other immigrants known for their superior athleticism?

The academic performance of the African students in the UK is even more remarkable when the well-known fact of higher black involvement in sport and athletics (at any level) is taken into account. Whereas Chinese and Indian students are not exactly expected to lead their schools or colleges to winning athletic championships, many black students are actively involved in athletics even when they have a strong academic focus. For example, a check on the Cambridge web site reveals that Chidera Ota, the UK’s best GCSE student in her cohort, was also the fastest runner in the girls 100 and 200 meters team for Cambridge (she qualified to Cambridge’s premed program after subsequently achieving straight A’s on her A-levels). Since she could not have just become a fast runner in college, it means that she achieved her academic performance in high school while being very active in athletics. It is quite plausible that the higher athletic commitments of black African students probably hinders them from achieving even further than they do in academics; it is especially difficult to develop a deep mastery of a specific academic field since this requires much more intensive focus and time commitments. On the other hand, it is also difficult for them to suppress their natural athletic (or artistic) gifts and interests for an unbalanced academic existence.



This trend of African blacks (especially West Africans) being expected to achieve exceptionally in both athletics and academics is not limited to their experience in the UK. African immigrants in the US (on average) are also highly involved in athletics, like other black students, while also being expected to perform exceptionally well in academics by their parents. A story in the SFGATE in 2009 confirms this typical double commitment of African immigrants. A Ghanaian American Owusu family had five star athletes at elite American universities who also just happened to be star students because if they ever got anything less than an A, “I will take them out of sports,” threatened their father, Francis Owusu. Owusu had migrated to America on an athletics scholarship from Ghana. His sons combined star athleticism and academic performance in such elite institutions as Stanford and Harvard (with a daughter at Colombia University), a data point that in itself goes against familial regression to the low African mean predicted by hereditarians.

NBA star Andre Iguodala (Nigerian heritage), the Most Valuable Player of the 2015 NBA Finals, was not an exception to this African requirement of combining academic excellence (and character) with athletic prowess, despite having decided early to become a professional basketball player. He was an Honor Roll student in high school besides being a star basketball player.

The tendency of black Africans to excel in both academics and sport may be one reason they are on such high demand with elite academic institutions in the United States. These universities get to preserve a reputation for academic excellence while also gaining some profitable athletic contributions to their student body, besides enhancing their “diversity” public profile.

Sporting victories and diversity are apparently not as important in UK universities as they are in American universities, at least in practice. This might explain why the two most elite universities, Oxford and Cambridge do not feel too pressured to take up as many black students as would be predicted by their impressive performance on the GCSEs. When pressed about this issue, the spokeswoman for Oxford admitted that there were many more blacks that academically qualify to enter their university each year than are accepted (the minimum qualification is three A’s or better on A-levels). She explained that one of the main reasons they do not accept as many blacks as would be expected is simply that they tend to apply to oversubscribed subjects (specifically, economics and management, medicine, and maths). Although this is a plausible explanation, it also highlights the difference between black American student performance (in the US) and black African performance (in the UK): can anyone imagine a similar situation happening in the US? What is the likelihood of the top universities in America turning down many black Americans who have scored among the very top high school students in the US, and then having, say, the Harvard University spokesman coming out to explain why they could only take a small portion of blacks with top SAT scores? (The reason itself is unimaginable in the US: too many blacks want to do maths!)

Another story that emphasizes this difference between black African performance in the UK compared to African American performance in the US was a report on London’s spectacular improvements in GCSE school achievement. The capital city has in recent years been doing so well compared to other areas of the country that it attracted some hot debates from different scholars about the causes. The main reason that has been offered and debated so far came from a highly reputable scholar who argued that these achievements of London are not due to any government policy but simply a result of three high achieving groups moving to London in recent years: Chinese, Indians, and Black Africans. The fact that such a statement can even be made proves how different the black Africans in the UK are from black Americans. How conceivable is it that researchers in America would propose something like, “the reason New York City is now leading in school performance nationwide is because it has a lot of Chinese, Indians and black Americans who have recently moved into the city in high numbers”? Mentioning blacks as part of the explanation for the academic success of any American city would sound like a page from an environmentalist science fiction novel, and yet it is accepted as a valid argument for the academic success of the biggest city in the UK!

Finally, it has to be noted that even if hereditarians can somehow manage to convincingly argue that the Nigerian (or Igbo) children in the UK do in fact have a lower IQ than average white children, as their biological model predicts (despite our evidence), they also have to show that these West African children even have a lower IQ than average black American children (since the latter have more white admixture)! At the very least, they should show that these children of “elite” Africans actually have a lower IQ than the children of equally elite native black Americans: the same elite black Americans whose children already score lower than poor whites, according to Jensen. That is by no means the most enviable task in academic history.

Chanda Chisala, originally from Zambia, has been a John S. Knight Visiting Fellow at Stanford University, a Visiting Fellow at the Hoover Institution, and a Reagan-Fascell Fellowship at the National Endowment for Democracy.

http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by bigfrancis21: 3:34am On Jul 06, 2015
The full article can be found here: http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/. I have reduced the article and cut out the most pertinent parts, broken into sections, to make it easier for many to read.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by Nobody: 3:37am On Jul 06, 2015
Nice
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by flames007(m): 3:45am On Jul 06, 2015
Wow!nigerians,breaking new ground anywhere they find themselves.kudos!
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by speakthetruth: 4:04am On Jul 06, 2015
Nice to know...though ddnt read all
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by AAinEqGuinea: 5:51am On Jul 06, 2015
Why can't these achievements materialize in any progressive manner for Nigeria? I've always knew and respected that something was different about Africans, but as I'm "seeing" more of Nigeria via cyberspace it's troubling to see that their efforts has little to no gains for their homeland. Sure, African blacks have shown they can run as fast if not faster than everyone else but are you going anywhere? Have AA went anywhere? Individual Nigerians are doing well, but what about 90% of everyone else who suffers from 3rd world problems? What about the growing number of potential black Einsteins whose fate was cut short, added to BH's death toll everyday. With Nigerians being so goddamn smart, why did their 2015 president election come down to these two (GEJ and GMB) at this moment in history?? ( not trying to politically derail, but I often wondered)

If Blacks are playing this IQ game to convince white people and the world that blacks are just as, if not more, intellectually astute as every other race than Africa as a continent has achieved this goal predating slavery, continuing with African Americans, carried on by Carribeans and now Nigerians and other African ethnicities are running strong. At this point I'm of sick of it because it appears Black people's hardwork is done in vain. Are we prided by what we're contributing to the brain drain? If so, I honestly think this is another form of slavery.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by Masterclass32: 6:24am On Jul 06, 2015
Cool. Am I surprised? Not exactly. I always know we can achieve greatness if we put our minds to it. But for the hydra-headed twin monsters called TRIBALISM and CORRUPTION. Much work needs to be done in those areas. Nice one OP.
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by SonOfEl(m): 7:40am On Jul 06, 2015
Nigerians I love you! my dear Igbos am so proud of you....Igbo kwenu!

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by cococandy(f): 7:50am On Jul 06, 2015
AAinEqGuinea:
Why can't these achievements materialize in any progressive manner for Nigeria? I've always knew and respected that something was different about Africans, but as I'm "seeing" more of Nigeria via cyberspace it's troubling to see that their efforts has little to no gains for their homeland. Sure, African blacks have shown they can run as fast if not faster than everyone else but are you going anywhere? Have AA went anywhere? Individual Nigerians are doing well, but what about 90% of everyone else who suffers from 3rd world problems? What about the growing number of potential black Einsteins whose fate was cut short, added to BH's death toll everyday. With Nigerians being so goddamn smart, why did their 2015 president election come down to these two (GEJ and GMB) at this moment in history?? ( not trying to politically derail, but I often wondered)

If Blacks are playing this IQ game to convince white people and the world that blacks are just as, if not more, intellectually astute as every other race than Africa as a continent has achieved this goal predating slavery, continuing with African Americans, carried on by Carribeans and now Nigerians and other African ethnicities are running strong. At this point I'm of sick of it because it appears Black people's hardwork is done in vain. Are we prided by what we're contributing to the brain drain? If so, I honestly think this is another form of slavery.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by Fulaman198(m): 8:53am On Jul 06, 2015
IQ has never been race related. If it was, can whites explain this phenomenon:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/nigerians-have-the-highest-level-of-education-in-the-us/

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by Ruq: 10:05am On Jul 06, 2015
Environment also plays a large role.
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by MisterLongman(m): 11:34am On Jul 06, 2015
Masterclass32:
Cool. Am I surprised? Not exactly. I always know we can achieve greatness if we put our minds to it. But for the hydra-headed twin monsters called TRIBALISM and CORRUPTION. Much work needs to be done in those areas. Nice one OP.
Tribalism and corruption are not human beings.......
When some minority are allowed to push their selfish agenda against a majority with some people supporting them. That's why Nigeriana thrives better in an enabling environment like the US and Europe than in Nigeria ( only few has been successful)......

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by Chinaimporter: 4:35pm On Sep 09, 2015
This is wonderful....i have always wondered why igbos acheive far more than others
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by gatiano(m): 4:48pm On Sep 09, 2015
Because nothing rigid can be built on a foundation of lies.

AAinEqGuinea:
Why can't these achievements materialize in any progressive manner for Nigeria? I've always knew and respected that something was different about Africans, but as I'm "seeing" more of Nigeria via cyberspace it's troubling to see that their efforts has little to no gains for their homeland. Sure, African blacks have shown they can run as fast if not faster than everyone else but are you going anywhere? Have AA went anywhere? Individual Nigerians are doing well, but what about 90% of everyone else who suffers from 3rd world problems? What about the growing number of potential black Einsteins whose fate was cut short, added to BH's death toll everyday. With Nigerians being so goddamn smart, why did their 2015 president election come down to these two (GEJ and GMB) at this moment in history?? ( not trying to politically derail, but I often wondered)

If Blacks are playing this IQ game to convince white people and the world that blacks are just as, if not more, intellectually astute as every other race than Africa as a continent has achieved this goal predating slavery, continuing with African Americans, carried on by Carribeans and now Nigerians and other African ethnicities are running strong. At this point I'm of sick of it because it appears Black people's hardwork is done in vain. Are we prided by what we're contributing to the brain drain? If so, I honestly think this is another form of slavery.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by Fkforyou(m): 8:07pm On Sep 09, 2015
Hmmm ....sometimes its not good to make hasty generalization. I've always had the notion that we blacks dont like to think,we only live for fun. The other day my friend was just so into BET awards that I became disturbed and so I asked him why is it that we didnt have too many intellectuals just as whites and his argument was that blacks were also excelling in thier own way e.g in entertainment and sports which I wasnt so cool with.. This article has changed my perception. I think the difference between the accomplishment by whites and that of black is that they tend to make good use of it and try to impact the world and not for personal gratification ( not all blacks though)
But in essence this article is quite inspiring .
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by GooseBaba: 9:58pm On Sep 09, 2015
Every time I read articles of this nature. I wonder why my fellow africans can be this stupid to buy into such rubbish in the name of intellectualism". Clearly, one can see that this nonsense article meant to cause riff among africans.before anything an african whose country or tribe is favored by this report will be quick to cite this report as proof to support their shallow ego.

If we look at the big picture, we fail to see that such studies are carried out by people who already feel that they're superior to others, thereby throwing little crumbs of academic accomplishment so others would fight amongst themselves to see who is worthy of standing next to the alleged superior "race"..

We completely ignore other factors that has led to our present reality. We keep selling ourselves short. If we're sincere. Would we take this report seriously if it was carried out by a fellow african in africa..? We need to wake up and stop displaying inferiority complex in the name of intellectualism. Such studies insidiously reinforce the idea of racial superiority. I beg you my fellow africans, stop using your short comings to define your intelligence.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by Chinaimporter: 9:33am On Sep 10, 2015
I think what this article is saying is that african races with the same tradition of hardwork and industrousness have the same or even high iq than whites when exposed to the same settings

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by SonOfEl(m): 12:42pm On Sep 10, 2015
GooseBaba:
Every time I read articles of this nature. I wonder why my fellow africans can be this stupid to buy into such rubbish in the name of intellectualism". Clearly, one can see that this nonsense article meant to cause riff among africans.before anything an african whose country or tribe is favored by this report will be quick to cite this report as proof to support their shallow ego.

If we look at the big picture, we fail to see that such studies are carried out by people who already feel that they're superior to others, thereby throwing little crumbs of academic accomplishment so others would fight amongst themselves to see who is worthy of standing next to the alleged superior "race"..

We completely ignore other factors that has led to our present reality. We keep selling ourselves short. If we're sincere. Would we take this report seriously if it was carried out by a fellow african in africa..? We need to wake up and stop displaying inferiority complex in the name of intellectualism. Such studies insidiously reinforce the idea of racial superiority. I beg you my fellow africans, stop using your short comings to define your intelligence.

this article says a lot. if you had read about Jensen's bell curve, you would understand what scientific racism is all about. this article is a solid and sincere response to the white scientific racists. plus.....I suspect you are Yoruba, that's why you condemned this article.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by gatiano(m): 12:57pm On Sep 10, 2015
I believe the op meant well. Buuuut He, You and Others are not quite familiar with devils' operations.

SonOfEl:


this article says a lot. if you had read about Jensen's bell curve, you would understand what scientific racism is all about. this article is a solid and sincere response to the white scientific racists. plus.....I suspect you are Yoruba, that's why you condemned this article.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by GooseBaba: 4:38pm On Sep 10, 2015
SonOfEl:


this article says a lot. if you had read about Jensen's bell curve, you would understand what scientific racism is all about. this article is a solid and sincere response to the white scientific racists. plus.....I suspect you are Yoruba, that's why you condemned this article.

Smh....and there you've it. Una dey see.! The exact thing I talked about. Check this out, how can you have a solution to a non existing problem "human intelligence". What is intelligence?

The fact that you are joyed to see the whiteman defend you from another whiteman's theory on your intelligence is mind boggling. Could you direct me to any african studies on whiteman intelligence"...

Already, you've fallen prey to the underlying message of any study on human psychology. You already went tribal. So reason is not enough to reject the article, I have to reason like a yoruba abi..?
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by Chinaimporter: 7:01am On Sep 11, 2015
Frontpage please....Africans deserve to know that they too can be great if they re challanged to become hardworking and industrious

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by bigfrancis21: 1:37pm On Sep 11, 2015
GooseBaba:


Smh....and there you've it. Una dey see.! The exact thing I talked about. Check this out, how can you have a solution to a non existing problem "human intelligence". What is intelligence?

The fact that you are joyed to see the whiteman defend you from another whiteman's theory on your intelligence is mind boggling. Could you direct me to any african studies on whiteman intelligence"...

Already, you've fallen prey to the underlying message of any study on human psychology. You already went tribal. So reason is not enough to reject the article, I have to reason like a yoruba abi..?

Surprisingly, the article was researched into and written by a fellow african from Zimbabwe/Zambia. What the article intends to portray is that the so-called IQ gap between blacks and whites isn't visible when black and white children are raised in the same enabling environment, UK for example, and black kids have often outperformed their white peers in education, using the Igbo example of african high achievers in education.

This article finds worthy welcome by blacks living in areas with whites where they have been consistently told they are less intelligent than other races. However, within ourselves in Africa and in particular Nigeria, we rejoice not in such proof of academic prowess but seek to antagonize the report simply because the writer used not an example of our choice.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by GooseBaba: 3:27pm On Sep 11, 2015
bigfrancis21:


Surprisingly, the article was researched into and written by a fellow african from Zimbabwe/Zambia. What the article intends to portray is that the so-called IQ gap between blacks and whites isn't visible when black and white children are raised in the same enabling environment, UK for example, and black kids have often outperformed their white peers in education, using the Igbo example of african high achievers in education.

This article finds worthy welcome by blacks living in areas with whites where they have been consistently told they are less intelligent than other races. However, within ourselves in Africa and in particular Nigeria, we rejoice not in such proof of academic prowess but seek to antagonize the report simply because the writer used not an example of our choice.

My point exactly.. You cannot bring solution to a non existing problem.. "human intelligence "..However, .you can bring solution to the factors that hinder academic growth.

The fact that one was written from a racist perspective and the other was written to checkmate that perspective, does not in anyway give credence to the intelligence of people according to race. Therefore, both articles are dead on arrival...

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by bigfrancis21: 4:39pm On Sep 11, 2015
GooseBaba:


My point exactly.. You cannot bring solution to a non existing problem.. "human intelligence "..However, .you can bring solution to the factors that hinder academic growth.

The fact that one was written from a racist perspective and the other was written to checkmate that perspective, does not in anyway give credence to the intelligence of people according to race. Therefore, both articles are dead on arrival...

Definitely, you don't have to agree with the author of the article. I do think that he made a good point worthy of mentioning, defying certain misconceptions about the black race and contributing to its general uplift. I think that's what matters the most about the article.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by SonOfEl(m): 6:55pm On Sep 11, 2015
GooseBaba:


Smh....and there you've it. Una dey see.! The exact thing I talked about. Check this out, how can you have a solution to a non existing problem "human intelligence". What is intelligence?

The fact that you are joyed to see the whiteman defend you from another whiteman's theory on your intelligence is mind boggling. Could you direct me to any african studies on whiteman intelligence"...

Already, you've fallen prey to the underlying message of any study on human psychology. You already went tribal. So reason is not enough to reject the article, I have to reason like a yoruba abi..?

well tell that to the whites who believes that your IQ is below 70 with scientific backings... not those of us disproving them scientifically.

it disgusts me that people like you can cowardly avoid confronting issues. mind you chisala ain't Igbo or even west african., yet he gave the white folks something to think about.

you are the real tribalist here. anything Igbo raises your eyebrow.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by GooseBaba: 7:25pm On Sep 11, 2015
SonOfEl:


well tell that to the whites who believes that your IQ is below 70 with scientific backings... not those of us disproving them scientifically.

it disgusts me that people like you can cowardly avoid confronting issues. mind you chisala ain't Igbo or even west african., yet he gave the white folks something to think about.

you are the real tribalist here. anything Igbo raises your eyebrow.

They proved nothing scientifically.. "show me where they prove intelligence.. All they did was provide evidence in accordance with know factors, politically, economically and societal influence that hinders academic growth .. Nothing more.. You cannot prove intelligence get it..!

I find it disgusting that people like you need validation from an article to regain common sense. It's the same low self esteem white like your self that hold on to such rubbish to feel good about themselves.

Furthermore, It's seems you are seriously pained because of igbo issues. That's why you're foolishly making false statements against my person...
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by SonOfEl(m): 8:07pm On Sep 11, 2015
GooseBaba:


They proved nothing scientifically.. "show me where they prove intelligence.. All they did was provide evidence in accordance with know factors, politically, economically and societal influence that hinders academic growth .. Nothing more.. You cannot prove intelligence get it..!

I find it disgusting that people like you need validation from an article to regain common sense. It's the same low self esteem white like your self that hold on to such rubbish to feel good about themselves.

Furthermore, It's seems you are seriously pained because of igbo issues. That's why you're foolishly making false statements against my person...

you can only spew your tales here in nairaland, why not go and challenge them and leave us alone. as you ignored them, ignore us too.
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by GooseBaba: 10:02pm On Sep 11, 2015
SonOfEl:


you can only spew your tales here in nairaland, why not go and challenge them and leave us alone. as you ignored them, ignore us too.


Mr cry baby... Take this with you, you and your other cry babies cannot become intelligent from citing an article.
Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by bigfrancis21: 3:29am On Sep 12, 2015
GooseBaba:


Mr cry baby... Take this with you, you and your other cry babies cannot become intelligent from citing an article.

'the cry babies' may not become intelligent from citing an article however their academic success and prowess has spoken for them quite enough to get them worldwide recognition. Nigerian tribes are unique. The Yoruba are getting recognition all over the world for their fascinating culture, religion and tradition, and the Igbos are getting recognition all over the world for their intelligence, smartness and notable achievements. Both tribes serve to bring light to the Nigerian polity. Why not partake in the joys of your fellow blacks?

Would you budge had the tribe used as an example been a non-Nigerian tribe? Would you seek to find 'issues' or poke the article for 'faults' simply because you are not at peace with the example used? Would you possibly have bothered reading this thread twice had any other tribe been used as example? Oh, well yea any other tribe is ok so far as it is not the ones from across the Niger.

That leads me to ask, what is wrong with the black man? Why are blacks out to bring themselves down should they see an aspiring or successful one? Why do blacks exhibit this crab mentality? While mainstream Americans appreciate and encourage talent and innovative thinking, blacks stifle and antagonize their talented ones. Why do people think that you have to compete unnecessarily with another tribe to gain relevance rather than realize that every nation on earth is blessed with a unique set of talents and skills and the combination of these skills and talents leads to a diverse human population and earth.

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Re: The IQ Gap Is No Longer A Black And White Issue - The Igbo Example by SonOfEl(m): 4:07am On Sep 12, 2015
GooseBaba:


Mr cry baby... Take this with you, you and your other cry babies cannot become intelligent from citing an article.

neither can you and your fellow cowardly type, diminish the intelligence of the people of Africa, esp the IGBOS.

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