superior1:
There cant really be societies without laws, the laws give face to a society. The problem however is that each societies/countries have their own laws which may not be in tandem with others, the issue is how do we determine which laws/behaviors are good, bad and human outside religion?

I will like to get opinions of Atheists on this

menesheh:


You don't need any religion or deity to determine whether human laws cum behavior are good or bad.

Input: Leaders of ancient times only used the "spiritual" concept to enforce their laws. Like saying "god said" instead of "I said". Every human is naturally conscious of what is right and what's wrong.

Besides, majority of the corruption in Nigeria are perpretrated by theists. A corrupt official will steal public funds and give a testimony or make a huge donation to the church, in the case of a christian. Even in Islam, the richer you are, the higher above the law(sharia) you become.

A lot of armed robbers, ritualists, corrupt officials and other perpetrators of crime all attend one church, mosque or any other place of worship and some/most times are serious adherents to the religin/faith/belief but are normally the first to judge other "sinners"

superior1:
There cant really be societies without laws, the laws give face to a society. The problem however is that each societies/countries have their own laws which may not be in tandem with others, the issue is how do we determine which laws/behaviors are good, bad and human outside religion?

I will like to get opinions of Atheists on this

johnydon22:
[b]You are not serious right? So you are meaning to tell us you have no independent morals except what your religion gives you?

Tell me, do you need to consult the bible, quran or any other religious book before you know murder is wrong?

If you don't then how come you can't differentiate between sociatal morality and religious morality.
Secular states and country have no business with religious morals when enacting laws, thats why you see legalization of homosexuality even when your religion is against it, Nobody cares what religion thinks.

Morality is not Islamic neither is it christian or hindu. Morality is human, it belongs to no ism. and it is not dependent on any creed, book or supernatural for foundation because morality itself is a foundation.

Secular definition of Morality is: Actions that decreases human suffering and/or betters societal well being, freedom, equality and justice. . .

Am sure judging from this you can simply discern how moral actions are determined and not what religion says.[/b]

johnydon22:
[b]You are not serious right? So you are meaning to tell us you have no independent morals except what your religion gives you?
Tell me, do you need to consult the bible, quran or any other religious book before you know murder is wrong?
If you don't then how come you can't differentiate between sociatal morality and religious morality.
Secular states and country have no business with religious morals when enacting laws, thats why you see legalization of homosexuality even when your religion is against it, Nobody cares what religion thinks.
Morality is not Islamic neither is it christian or hindu. Morality is human, it belongs to no ism. and it is not dependent on any creed, book or supernatural for foundation because morality itself is a foundation.
Secular definition of Morality is: Actions that decreases human suffering and/or betters societal well being, freedom, equality and justice. . .
Am sure judging from this you can simply discern how moral actions are determined and not what religion says.[/b]

menesheh:


You don't need any religion or deity to determine whether human laws cum behavior are good or bad.

kolajamesjnr:

superior1:


What do we need to judge a behaviour, do you as atheist believe in absolute morality as a compass for judging behaviours?

superior1:


What if I love killing, how is killing wrong since I am just doing what I honestly love doing?

superior1:


What do you mean by societal morality, how is measured and how can we judge it?

davien:
You've become a pro in discussing morality

superior1:


What do we need to judge a behaviour, do you as atheist believe in absolute morality as a compass for judging behaviours?

menesheh:



We need objectivity in shaping and judging behavioural impulses, not subjectivity through appears to emotion, personal opinion, holy book, etc. Absolute morality is subjective of which people of different faiths are pretty zealous to enforce or subject us to. I judge my behavior through the consequences of the outcome and a long built empathy in human evolutionary processes.

superior1:


What if I love killing, how is killing wrong since I am just doing what I honestly love doing?

johnydon22:
Perhaps you didn't read where i defined secular definition of morality, cus if you did you wouldn't have asked this question... Let me define it again.

Am sure this definition is enough to show you actions that falls within the moral scale and so have answered your question on how it is meausred.

Let me give you an example in case you did not get it.
e.g: You gave a meal to a hungry man......... Judging from the definition of morality above, that your action DECREASE the suffering of that individual. . .So you see? it falls on the scope of a moral action.

kolajamesjnr:

That wil mak u a psychopath hence you need help

superior1:


Then morality is relative then, so,like you did, I can also chose what I consider right or wrong?

dalaman:


What is absolute morality? Absolute morality isn't good for any society to flourish.

dalaman:


Moral principles and codes of.conduct are mostly established and agreed upon through concensus and the principles evolve. Morality is not set in stone. When slavery was consider as a good thing your God was there championing it. He was even giving people injunctions on how to sell their daughters into slavery.

superior1:


Why should I give my food to the hungry man since I worked to make my own living, how is it morally right to share what I earned with another person, isn't that violating my own right to what I earned? and who is the judge and the maker of this moral actions?

superior1:


Why should I give my food to the hungry man since I worked to make my own living, how is it morally right to share what I earned with another person, isn't that violating my own right to what I earned? and who is the judge and the maker of this moral actions?

dalaman:


Because as a human being you can put yourself in the hungry man shoes and feel his pains. Once you do that then you can understand the need to help the person who is hungry.

superior1:


What if I love killing, how is killing wrong since I am just doing what I honestly love doing?

superior1:


You obviously don't understand my original post, who/what determines this as being good or bad?

superior1:


How did you know my God?, the question then is what is wrong in slavery?

dalaman:


Tell me what is good when I come to your house. Abduct you and your kids. Sell you off to a person in a far away land that considers you to be his property the way he considers hoe. He beats you and treats you badly. You work for him and he doesn't pay you any wages. He only gives you food and basic clothing to survive. He decides what you do with your life till you die. He can sleep with your wife or daughter anytime he wants. You are just to keep working for him most of your time. He brutalizes you when ever he wants. Your entire existence is just tp serve him. Tell me why that is a good system.

johnydon22:
Perhaps you didn't read where i defined secular definition of morality, cus if you did you wouldn't have asked this question... Let me define it again.

Am sure this definition is enough to show you actions that falls within the moral scale and so have answered your question on how it is meausred.

Let me give you an example in case you did not get it.
e.g: You gave a meal to a hungry man......... Judging from the definition of morality above, that your action DECREASE the suffering of that individual. . .So you see? it falls on the scope of a moral action.

superior1:


How did you know my God?, the question then is what is wrong in slavery?

Moral Actions are actions that DECREASES individual human suffering, and/or betters societal well being, EQUALITY, FREEDOM AND JUSTICE