RockOfAgesAlumi:

Boos if you can ask the person that give you the quotation maybe it is TOWER STANDARD OR TOWER
That quotation is Abuja price but you can negotiate the 1200 x 1400 to 55k and some other more that you discover that the price is too high for you

Boss

Abudu2000:
me too i was shocked when i saw that price. Printing alone could cost up to 20k what about the expertise put into the design, the concept etc. structural design that comes less than 100k should be questioned because the calculations involved for each and every support of the building members self. As a structural engineer even a copy paste job isn't for amateurs let alone a fresh one.

Some jobs are better done for free!

Abudu2000:
okay let me tell u a little secret, most architects and engineers have apprentices, alot of thempr even IT students. They need them for clients like your neighbor that like to underpay. My CEO is a masters degree holder in civil engineering, he's like a god in this job he will never, I repeat never sit on his chair to analyze any job that isn't worth it when there alot of important steel jobs waiting to be touch. Even I won't bother, so such jobs are pushed down for the boyz to practice then checked by the engineer and the errors corrected, is that what you want? When u engage a professional, pay him well for his job and you will get your money worth. If that was how you are being paid in ur own job u won't be able to afford the drawingsinthe first place.

If the job is done by Temps/Newbies and checked for errors and corrected by engineers, I would go for it as longs as am building a family home or small service apartment. The only time I wouldn't want newbies is if its a massive project.

There is no guarantee your boss will attend to it even if the client paid more.

I will buy a ready made 5 bed duplex plan for sale if I see one and like it.

Nero2424:


If the job is done by Temps/Newbies and checked for errors and corrected by engineers, I would go for it as longs as am building a family home or small service apartment. The only time I wouldn't want newbies is if its a massive project.

There is no guarantee your boss will attend to it even if the client paid more.

I will buy a ready made 5 bed duplex plan for sale if I see one and like it.

There's 100% guarantee he will attend to every job that carry his seal!

Abudu2000:
okay let me tell u a little secret, most architects and engineers have apprentices, alot of thempr even IT students. They need them for clients like your neighbor that like to underpay. My CEO is a masters degree holder in civil engineering, he's like a god in this job he will never, I repeat never sit on his chair to analyze any job that isn't worth it when there alot of important steel jobs waiting to be touch. Even I won't bother, so such jobs are pushed down for the boyz to practice then checked by the engineer and the errors corrected, is that what you want? When u engage a professional, pay him well for his job and you will get your money worth. If that was how you are being paid in ur own job u won't be able to afford the drawingsinthe first place.

Am I the only one who doesn't understand this post or understand your CEO? Why allow your firm to take the job if the job is below you?

Can your CEO single handedly execute ALL jobs high paying or low paying? What happens to delegation with the CEO as an oversight?

Why make delegation to Industrial Attachees and junior consultants sounds as if it is a bad thing? Is that not the purpose or how offices/consultancies work?

At the end of the day, your CEO will append his signature or the firm's stamp of approval to the job done by the junior/trainee consultants. So you are telling us that your Master degree CEO will append his signature to a wishy-washy job done by a junior consultant because the job is below him?

I don't get.

diordaves:


Am I the only one who doesn't understand this post or understand your CEO? Why allow your firm to take the job if the job is below you?

Can your CEO single handedly execute ALL jobs high paying or low paying? What happens to delegation with the CEO as an oversight?

Why make delegation to Industrial Attachees and junior consultants sounds as if it is a bad thing? Is that not the purpose or how offices/consultancies work?

At the end of the day, your CEO will append his signature or the firm's stamp of approval to the job done by the junior/trainee consultants. So you are telling us that your Master degree CEO will append his signature to a wishy-washy job done by a junior consultant because the job is below him?

I don't get.

The seal or signature of the company already made any job done by even the cleaner in the office official, so the company /boss will take the fall and not the apprentice or cleaner.

Joybalaba:
https://www.nairaland.com/2098129/interior-decorating-tips-multicolour-interiordezine/4 we transact on whatsapp. I had worked with a lot of good people from nairaland like @Rotech, Niyi etc , I just get there numbers here and chat with them on whatsapp. Thanks

What did you use to do this payment. I am just curious, perhaps I use the platform for my own transactions. Oh I am sorry that it's a scam case. If you have time, please do reply.

somehow:


The seal or signature of the company already made any job done by even the cleaner in the office official, so the company/boss will take the fall and not the apprentice or cleaner.

Simple!

somehow:


The seal or signature of the company already made any job done by even the cleaner in the office official, so the company /boss will take the fall and not the apprentice or cleaner.

Abi o!

By appending your signature, you've done the job na. So what's all that about Masters degree never touching jobs at the lower end of the spectrum.

n3xt:
I receive dozen of requests like this on a daily basis. I remember now.
I’ll check and reply your email. It’s an oversight on my part.

n3xt,
I have resent the building plan to your e-mail.
Kindly check.

KelvinCoaster:

n3xt,

I have resent the building plan to your e-mail.

Kindly check.

I’ve replied your mail.

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Ondo Distress Sale!!

Location: Ondo State Housing Corporation, Igba

House Typology: 3 Bedroom Bungalow (fully furnished)

Land Size: 120 x 120 (There’s space to build another house)

Offer: N15,000,000

n3xt:

I’ve replied your mail.

Thanx a million times!

djsjxjfjdisjdjb:


these colors are high no nos! damn. we can do better in interior lighting and effects?

It's the light, bro and it was fixed after the ceiling installation.It's the client's choice .

diordaves:


Am I the only one who doesn't understand this post or understand your CEO? Why allow your firm to take the job if the job is below you?

Can your CEO single handedly execute ALL jobs high paying or low paying? What happens to delegation with the CEO as an oversight?

Why make delegation to Industrial Attachees and junior consultants sounds as if it is a bad thing? Is that not the purpose or how offices/consultancies work?

At the end of the day, your CEO will append his signature or the firm's stamp of approval to the job done by the junior/trainee consultants. So you are telling us that your Master degree CEO will append his signature to a wishy-washy job done by a junior consultant because the job is below him?

I don't get.

why would anyone take any job even when they don't get paid adequately? Survival. The construction world now especially in Nigeria has gotten to a point where quacks are being paid more than those who qualified for it. Only in Nigeria someone would rather have a bricklayer turned builder handle the project but when it goes wrong they now call the qualified engineers to fix the job and then pay more than 2twice the original fee. In structural analysis or architectural design there are preliminary stages to it that the qualified one has the better capability to handle it. If that job gets deligated to someone with an average understanding the job will still be okay but it could have been better or even the best. If i am paid less for a job and i have 5jobs of which 3 are duely paid for which will i dedicate quality time to?

Just because you can tell the number of blocks that can fence a hectare of land or how many tonnes of rods doesn't make u an expert. You could build 10houses and still don't know shit, let the professionals do their thing and make sure they are well paid for it and you will get the best.

Abudu2000:
why would anyone take any job even when they don't get paid adequately? Survival. The construction world now especially in Nigeria has gotten to a point where quacks are being paid more than those who qualified for it. Only in Nigeria someone would rather have a bricklayer turned builder handle the project but when it goes wrong they now call the qualified engineers to fix the job and then pay more than 2twice the original fee. In structural analysis or architectural design there are preliminary stages to it that the qualified one has the better capability to handle it. If that job gets deligated to someone with an average understanding the job will still be okay but it could have been better or even the best. If i am paid less for a job and i have 5jobs of which 3 are duely paid for which will i dedicate quality time to?

Just because you can tell the number of blocks that can fence a hectare of land or how many tonnes of rods doesn't make u an expert. You could build 10houses and still don't know shit, let the professionals do their thing and make sure they are well paid for it and you will get the best.

Punchline.

This is not a path for them baba lati or the cheap plan geng.

It’s beyond block and mortar construction. It’s not the typical “how many block will finish a 4 bedroom duplex” construction.

It’s a piece of art.

Guys I need advice or recommendation.

Should I do Biodigester or regular Septic tank/Soakaway?

Note: Water table is a bit high in our part of Ogudu, Just like Magodo, Ikosi etc.

Need to get it done this week

Abudu2000:
why would anyone take any job even when they don't get paid adequately? Survival. The construction world now especially in Nigeria has gotten to a point where quacks are being paid more than those who qualified for it. Only in Nigeria someone would rather have a bricklayer turned builder handle the project but when it goes wrong they now call the qualified engineers to fix the job and then pay more than 2twice the original fee. In structural analysis or architectural design there are preliminary stages to it that the qualified one has the better capability to handle it. If that job gets deligated to someone with an average understanding the job will still be okay but it could have been better or even the best. If i am paid less for a job and i have 5jobs of which 3 are duely paid for which will i dedicate quality time to?

Just because you can tell the number of blocks that can fence a hectare of land or how many tonnes of rods doesn't make u an expert. You could build 10houses and still don't know shit, let the professionals do their thing and make sure they are well paid for it and you will get the best.

I will expect you dedicate quality time to all jobs you accepted payment for. Wages and professional fees are most situations not legislated but as a result of mutual bargaining and compromise.

So if a client engaged your firm for a particular segment of your services and you accepted a fee ONLY you know can't do the job and already have the intention of delivering a Micky mouse job, that's dishonesty and unprofessional. In the building trade we call that under quoting.

If you can't do a job for the fee a client is willing to pay, reject the job. It is not enough to say survival. The survival argument can be put forward by the client as well.

While I agree with you that there is an unhealthy proliferation of pretenders and cowboys, you will agree with me that unreasonably astronomical professional fee fuel this proliferation.

vickzie:
why do people fancy very high pitched roofs, it looks odd especially when it's a bungalow. well choice and taste differs. but...

Absolutely concur.
High pitched roofs look good on buildings with at least two floors (e.g. duplex)
But on bungalows, it has an awkward appearance. The smaller the building, the more odd a high pitched roof looks on it.

Nero2424:


If the job is done by Temps/Newbies and checked for errors and corrected by engineers, I would go for it as longs as am building a family home or small service apartment. The only time I wouldn't want newbies is if its a massive project.

There is no guarantee your boss will attend to it even if the client paid more.

I will buy a ready made 5 bed duplex plan for sale if I see one and like it.

Sir, this is where we get it wrong. Architectural Plans ain't meant to be bought, a design must always be uniquely done for a particular survey plan.
A lot of factors must be considered before an architect designs.

n3xt:


There's 100% guarantee he will attend to every job that carry his seal!

Exactly.

uncleteeh:

Exactly.

A lot of people who do copy and paste end up having issues on their projects.

Guess what it’s not very difficult identifying such people. You know them by the questions they ask on this platform.

- Can I use 16mm for my pillars?
- How many length of iron rods will I need for my foundation?
- I want to add... I want to remove...

How do you get the assurance that you’re on the right track with your home design and move forward with confidence if all you do is copy, copy, copy?

Some people have ended up copying other people’s problem in a bid to get cheap plans.

uncleteeh:

Sir, this is where we get it wrong. Architectural Plans ain't meant to be bought, a design must always be uniquely done for a particular survey plan.
A lot of factors must be considered before an architect designs.

That’s how some people who need off-road trucks end up buying cars they do not need.

For me it’s function over aesthetics anytime.

uncleteeh:

Sir, this is where we get it wrong. Architectural Plans ain't meant to be bought, a design must always be uniquely done for a particular survey plan.
A lot of factors must be considered before an architect designs.

Please share this factors.

Nero2424:


Please share this factors.

Too many.

When you buy plans, there’s every tendency you buy inferior plans that do not include all the information necessary to safely build your home.

Unlike the architectural design, structural drawings are not and cannot be designed for universal conditions.

No design can be perfect without input from the homeowner and knowledge of the site.

I can give 3 good examples of projects that I’ve worked on that other people tried to replicate on their land. A lot of challenges were met during the construction phase (expensive cost of foundation, wrong building orientation, building size vs land size etc).

n3xt:


That’s how some people who need off-road trucks end up buying cars they do not need.

For me it’s function over aesthetics anytime.

Good one sir.

Nero2424:


Please share this factors.

Ok. Will share some.
1. Topography of the site.
2. Climatic conditions of the particular area (this is a major condition) otherwise, the whole building will be boring.
3. Nearness to some specific materials.
4. Living conditions of the end users (why will one be putting a lot of steps in a building that will be harbouring aged people or retirees? Ramping most pathways is the best)
5. The financial capacity of a client is also required, it is even the foundation for every design.
Like I said, a lot of factors.

n3xt:


Too many.

When you buy plans, there’s every tendency you buy inferior plans that do not include all the information necessary to safely build your home.

Unlike the architectural design, structural drawings are not and cannot designed for universal conditions.

No design can be perfect without input from the homeowner and knowledge of the site.

I can give 3 good examples of projects that I’ve worked on that other people tried to replicate on their land. A lot of challenges were met during the construction phase (expensive cost of foundation, wrong building orientation, building size vs land size etc).

Respect.

Immediately I finished The Reserve by NextHome, two clients approached me to share the design with them in the same area.

One of them said I want exactly what I’m seeking here. Let’s try and replicate it on my site.

The picture below shows the challenge we went through during the modification of the plan.

The time we spent trying to modify the design to fit the clients land could have been spent working on a fresh design.

Pic 1 - The Reserve by NextHome

Pic 2 - The design couldn’t fit the clients land because of the irregular shape of the plot.

Pic 3 - We tried cutting the building into two.

Pic 4 - We keep trying, trying, trying until we got to 8th layout and eventually had to change the design.

What a waste of precious time and resource!!!


__________

This is just one part of the too many challenges of the project. I’ll try share the structural issue and how a project in the same area ended up costing almost thrice the price of the first build.

I have countless example of projects like these that I can share. It’s worthless picking up drawings online. You’re better off with custom designed homes.

300k would seem a lot but it’ll be worthwhile investment in the long run as it’ll save you headaches and unnecessary challenges.