sonnie10:

The person from Warri came and secured the job. He did it , and did not collect any upfront advance fee (seems more like an advanced fee fraud).
It’s totally up to the vendor to do it or not. Nobody is forcing anyone.
Note Warri to core East is more expensive in terms of transportation when compared with Lagos to the same place.
Maybe its the Nigeria concept but,
Private businesses that operate emergency ambulance here are familiar with the concept .
When a 911 operator dispatches an emergency alert to the general ambulance services dashboard, all operators ( private business) would see the request. Many would move at the same time.
Anyone that gets to the scene first, picks up the patient(victim). The rest ambulances that come afterwards would return empty. No one pays them. It is the cost of doing business. An ambulance usually would have at least 3 staff, add that to the cost of gas for such heavy truck . Remember people are paid per hour here .
Nigeria will get there soon, however some people are already using that strategy, like the roofing company that came from Warri.

You are only deceiving yourself. So if the firm you work with needs to bring in a specialist for consulation from another state or country, the specialist will use his money to pay for the flight.

When it's time to do your house-warming, invite Wizkid or Burna Boy and tell them to use their money to come first because it's the cost of doing business.

CivilEngineer90:
hmmm don’t carry around this mindse because most of those workers are far better than you in terms kf archivement they just choose to play humble to secure the job bro. There are some clients I don’t drive to their site so they don’t feel intimidated and assume i charge premium so chill

Off point. Nobody is talking about who is richer. All I said is that the customer works to earn a living, same way a vendor works to earn a living.
How is that a pocket measuring contest?

Itsrm:


You are only deceiving yourself. So if the firm you work with needs to bring in a specialist for consulation from another state or country, the specialist will use his money to pay for the flight.

When it's time to do your house-warming, invite Wizkid or Burna Boy and tell them to use their money to come first because it's the cost of doing business.

All the workers in banks, school teacher, market women etc that pay their transport to work out of their pocket everyday, how are vendors more special than them?
Do you remember Idris? This same entitlement attitude towards those that were cutting his paycheck was his downfall. He rough handled 50 cent, a guest of Nigeria breweries (Star) and felt it was his right, never apologized.
That was his last show for any cooperate organization.
When it comes to where you get your money, just pipe down.

Itsrm:


As it should be.

I did a quote for someone here and he just ask for my account number I thought he wanted to commission for the job… he sent me 10k in appreciation claiming that some people wanted to rip him off! he doesn’t need to do that but then conscience.

sonnie10:
All the workers in banks, school teacher, market women etc that pay their transport to work out of their pocket everyday, how are vendors more special than them?

lol chief this is totally different! People you mentioned above will recieve payment at the end of the day right?

sonnie10:
All the workers in banks, school teacher, market women etc that pay their transport to work out of their pocket everyday, how are vendors more special than them?

Offpoint
OffTopic

sonnie10:

Don’t be confused.

Used 3 methods...

I don't know why the focus is on jobs outside Lagos.

Even within Lagos you spend the whole day to go visit a site, transport yourself, prepare quote and client won't respond after sending quote.

sonnie10:

Off point. Nobody is talking about who is richer. All I said is that the customer works to earn a living, same way a vendor works to earn a living.
How is that a pocket measuring contest?

but you said WHOEVER YOU GIVES A JOB YOU ARE DOING THE PERSON A FAVOR or wasn’t it what you wrote on the previous page? I can’t even imagine an artisan meeting a client with such mindset because it scares me.

CivilEngineer90:
but you said WHOEVER YOU GIVES A JOB YOU ARE DOING THE PERSON A FAVOR or wasn’t it what you wrote on the previous page? I can’t even imagine an artisan meeting a client with such mindset because it scares me.

Let me say it again, who ever, I give a job, I am doing them a favor.

twinskenny:
lol chief this is totally different! People you mentioned above will recieve payment at the end of the day right?

Ok let give another example.
Every day people borrow money to travel from out of state to Lagos for job interviews. 99% of them are rejected. Some even pay and sleep in hotels.
Do those prospective employers owe them the transport fare?

How is trying to get a job in a site different from trying to get a job in an office?

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While I don't agree with everything that son.nie says.

After several state governments made me pay cash to travel to their capitals to solicit business and none of it came, I can understand how some artisans feel about paying to travel out of state from their pockets.

That notwithstanding, I have to make the point that even foreigners have paid flight money to come to Nigeria, hotel bills and more in pursuit of business that was not sure, sometimes it clicked, sometimes it didn't click, so I totally understand son.nie's point of view. That is why I spoke of the cost of doing business. Later I adjusted my strategy and concentrated on spending on travel only in Abuja. But I have been guests of state governments (obviously outside Abuja) since then with returning flight fully paid, and accomodation fully paid and meals fully paid. I even got sick onsite once and they covered my medicals.

That said, given that there are more people pursuing deals than people who can get the deal, I will agree with sonnie that everytime someone chooses to spend his or her money on you, he is doing you a favor.

My biggest deal was given to me after months of chasing it, but I got to be aware of a guy who had been pursuing the same deal for years, one administration after the other, they would discuss and they would be close to signing the dotted lines but they never did. I met this guy several times and could see the frustration on his face from not getting the deal and learning that someone else got it.

Someone literally stepped in and insisted that they had to give me that contract. How can you say that is not a favor? And when the deal came did I not accomplish what I did not accomplish before that? We should be grateful whenever we get a deal because it might have gone to someone else.

Business especially in Nigeria is based on patronage. Which is why one would say you are being done a favor. This is especially true because there is usually someone else that can do the job.

The issue of being done a favor becomes more obvious when there is a management shakeup and your contract with the company suddenly closes.

My old employer has gone through like four owners over the decades. And each time a key supplier was changed outright.

So yes, on some level you are being done a favor.

redgem:


Used 3 methods...

Methods 1 and 2 are correct, method 3 isn't.

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twinskenny:


I did a quote for someone here and he just ask for my account number I thought he wanted to commission for the job… he sent me 10k in appreciation claiming that some people wanted to rip him off! he doesn’t need to do that but then conscience.

Your last word "CONSCIENCE" says it all.
This discussion here is a thing of human conscience and nature.
There are clients one will meet, just by honouring their invitation they appreciate and treat you like you guys have known for ages.
On the older hand, there are ones that by default are stingy.

UC92:

Your last word "CONSCIENCE" says it all.
This discussion here is a thing of human conscience and nature.
There are clients one will meet, just by honouring their invitation they appreciate and treat you like you guys have known for ages.
On the older hand, there are ones that by default are stingy.

yes true and calling it stingy is being words carefull it’s much worse. It is the same alaroro that made them not spend to do an architectural and structural drawing because that is actually one of the reasons for it. With an architectural drawing a total extimate can be drawn up and a percentage addition made and quotes are flying on WhatsApp already.

Itsrm:


You are only deceiving yourself. So if the firm you work with needs to bring in a specialist for consulation from another state or country, the specialist will use his money to pay for the flight.

When it's time to do your house-warming, invite Wizkid or Burna Boy and tell them to use their money to come first because it's the cost of doing business.

Hahaha, Hian, wizkid, burna boy or Davido will never step anywhere to perform without osusu, ego, owo, pounds, dollars oo, the money plus ➕ flight tickets and correct five star hotel plus Adequate security, must be ready in advance before they honor your invite, l agree with all your post, do we have to start dragging this endless issue, you mean that you will invite an Engineer to come from Turkey to work at your house and the Engineer will use his legs to walk from Turkey to Nigeria or swim inside Atlantic Ocean or take okada via Sahara desert to Nigeria, abeg make we dey talk with sense, how can you invite someone from anywhere in Nigeria to come and work at your house and the person will come with his transport fare abeg make una ignore that guy, Imran the roofer did well by not going, and this should be a standard business practice for all artisans, don't go for a nonsense job that you might likely not get at the end, I don't care if you are building a Castle in the moon, don't treat people as if without your job they will not exist,,
My people say the water wey you go drink will not pass you by, abeg, make una ignore that guy

GloriousGbola:
Business especially in Nigeria is based on patronage. Which is why one would say you are being done a favor. This is especially true because there is usually someone else that can do the job.

The issue of being done a favor becomes more obvious when there is a management shakeup and your contract with the company suddenly closes.

My old employer has gone through like four owners over the decades. And each time a key supplier was changed outright.

So yes, on some level you are being done a favor.

so you also agree it is a favor to give someone who is obviously competent and have the technical knowledge and expertise to execute a job? Omo i fear nigerians the more reason corruption will never leave this country. If you are opportuned to be a president one day then all your family members will occupy ministerial positions before anyone else. I’m scared gor how some people think.

dangoteinlaw:
so you also agree it is a favor to give someone who is obviously competent and have the technical knowledge and expertise to execute a job? Omo i fear nigerians the more reason corruption will never leave this country. If you are opportuned to be a president one day then all your family members will occupy ministerial positions before anyone else. I’m scared gor how some people think.

apparenetly i will have to spell it out to you like you are a small child

i ceo of gbola enterprises want to give a contract for supplying cars . we have invitd

honda
toyota
kia

they are all bidding. they are all competent to do the job. they can all offer competitive rates. who ever ultimately gets the job is being done a favor . because all of them can do it. you may not know, but this plays out everywhere

now this is what often happens

if tomorrow i leave the company and another oga comes in - that one will say - i am not intersted in working with toyota - lets use honda.
the next ceo comes and says - i am not interested in honda - lets use kia

it is a cycle that goes on ad on.


this is why savvy contractors or businessmen do their best to cultivate multiple people within a company, so when the selection meeting is on, there is someone to speak for them in their absence

back in 2004, MTN was constanly recycling their project team. every two years. so you have built a relationship with them, they see you as reliable, and then they are gone. a new person who does not know you from adam comes on, and you have to start all over again with building trust

you can keep your head in the clouds, or you can face reality.when multiple people who can deliver are all competing to provide the same service. it literally comes down to - i like this one's face or something along those lines.

money121:

Offpoint
OffTopic

You’re not doing yourself any good when you reply every comment.

Droyal:
Good morning everyone please I need advice on the type of wood for roofing.

The carpenter recommended melina or Ofu wood that they are good and termite resistant as the area is red sanded and termite prone and we will also Treat with soligmun and gamalin and kerosene.

The only challenge is he says Ofu doesn't seem to be readily available in this area as they might want us to pay and come back in like 2 weeks which he doesn't really support.

So he's suggesting Melina all through. I read somewhere here that melina is good for noggings.

So my questions are.

1.Is it okay to use melina for all the roofing woods.

2. Its slate we are going to use for the roof will the melina be good for the extra weight of asbestos slate if we eventually do melina through.

3. Location is Lagos, Agbara axis.

Though we still intend to ask around more at pakos around but please your opinions are highly appreciated.

Thank you.

Don't use Melina for all your roofing. It's a soft wood kind of..

Your building is at Agbara.. I am 1000% sure you'll get Ayin or Akun at Iju, Onibikun and even at Goro areas in Atan.

If you're using slate, I will assume you're on a budget.. if not, you'll get good wood at Ijebu or ibadan

GloriousGbola:


apparenetly i will have to spell it out to you like you are a small child

i ceo of gbola enterprises want to give a contract for supplying cars . we have invitd

honda
toyota
kia

they are all bidding. they are all competent to do the job. they can all offer competitive rates. who ever ultimately gets the job is being done a favor . because all of them can do it. you may not know, but this plays out everywhere

now this is what often happens

if tomorrow i leave the company and another oga comes in - that one will say - i am not intersted in working with toyota - lets use honda.
the next ceo comes and says - i am not interested in honda - lets use kia

it is a cycle that goes on ad on.


this is why savvy contractors or businessmen do their best to cultivate multiple people within a company, so when the selection meeting is on, there is someone to speak for them in their absence

back in 2004, MTN was constanly recycling their project team. every two years. so you have built a relationship with them, they see you as reliable, and then they are gone. a new person who does not know you from adam comes on, and you have to start all over again with building trust

you can keep your head in the clouds, or you can face reality.when multiple people who can deliver are all competing to provide the same service. it literally comes down to - i like this one's face or something along those lines.

See, you are even going too far. Do you know that every big company in the US has paid lobbyist in Washington whose job is to convince those in the corridors of power to use the services of those companies?
Majority of them do not succeed to sell the agenda / services, even after being paid huge upfront by these companies. It is the cost of doing business.
A few years ago, people thought Amazon was not doing well , returns were slow,. Amazon was busy paying workers to sustain the business and at the same time building warehouses. Fast forward to the last couple of, years, they became one of the richest companies in the world.
Sometimes, a business must make that painful monetary commitment first, before the gain or in some cases loss.

Iriruaga100:


You’re not doing yourself any good when you reply every comment.

Motigbo sir

A word can have multiple meanings, depending on the context in which the word is used. Both sides of the argument are sticking to their own understanding of the word "favour" and both sides aren't entirely wrong.

On one hand, to do someone a "favour" may mean to do something for the person that goes way beyond what the person merits, while on the other hand "favour" may just mean to simply show preference for the person's goods or services amongst other similar goods or services.

So, it all depends on the implied meaning of the word guys.

As regards getting job, I appreciate it as a favor because there are countless people with possibly better skill set that could have gotten the job.
I can't speak for other uniquely skilled people with sought-after skills.
Irrespective of that, the conscience and understanding is still important.
Who go help you won't stress you...

gbadexy:
As regards getting job, I appreciate it as a favor because there are countless people with possibly better skill set that could have gotten the job.
I can't speak for other uniquely skilled people with sought-after skills.
Irrespective of that, the conscience and understanding is still important.
Who go help you won't stress you...

Who go help you won't stress you...

Ajeh

Rany4all:
Methods 1 and 2 are correct, method 3 isn't.

Okay Sir... I understand now....

money121:


Who go help you won't stress you...

Ajeh

Keep swigging and missing!
What you have there is the indomie generation’s mantra. . The entitled generation
In my days, we never heard such. We were taught to be thankful for every deed.
The original version is ki Iku ma akpa a la nu mi
This was when people appreciated good deeds, not anymore.

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