EgunMogaji:


Perhaps in Nigeria but that should be negligent homicide.

Murder and manslaughter are both homicide. Genocide being the plural. Murder is killing with malice, intent or knowledge of the possibility of death while manslaughter is causing death due to negligence etc.

Our context is specifically involuntary manslaughter.

EgunMogaji:


The most qualified person on my project to determine quality is me.

Are you a structural engineer or of a related discipline? If no, then you are not controling quality of the structure but controling quality of the finishing. They are two seperate things.

Even among structural engineers there are quality control engineers.

Whilst moving around, I saw this Defender 110 and immediately remembered @EgunMogaji

EgunMogaji:


The most qualified person on my project to determine quality is me.

Sir, this statement is highly degrading to professional in building industry.


---------
Some things were not expected to be done anyhow

adanny01:


Are you a structural engineer or of a related discipline? If no, then you are not controling quality of the structure but controling quality of the finishing. They are two seperate things.

Even among structural engineers there are quality control engineers.

I hire the competent and licensed person when necessary for the task.

I control the entire build on my site, review and approve the work of all persons that work there.

My site, my money, my rule. I, my family and friends are going to be living there after the licensed professionals have cashed the checks.

Stop asking repugnant questions by the way. You and I have danced before and you know I'm not an engineer.

I control the quality on my site.

segcymoor:

Sir, this statement is highly degrading to professional in building industry.


---------
Some things were not expected to be done anyhow

While it's not my intention to degrade, my stance is unwavering.

My site, my money, my rule

I know what I want and simply want to pay someone to get my conceptualize idea onto the ground.

There's nothing that is being done anyhow on my site.

KolaShangOne:
Whilst moving around, I saw this Defender 110 and immediately remembered @EgunMogaji

Thank you Sir. It will happen one day.

Zero sensors, no computer and two solid axles

PS: solid salute to you for using the word "whilst".

adanny01:


Murder and manslaughter are both homicide. Genocide being the plural. Murder is killing with malice, intent or knowledge of the possibility of death while manslaughter is causing death due to negligence etc.

Our context is specifically involuntary manslaughter.

I stand by what I wrote.

But again like I said this is Nigeria where anything goes.

KolaShangOne:

You mean if he uses H-beams to deck his house it's gonna be cheaper than concrete? What will be placed on top of these H-beams to enable upper floor blocks to be continued? Plates? Have U added the cost?

Did iron roof truss for a 16x17m Bungalow using just 60mm angle iron z-purlins and it cost almost a million..

Bros, there are cheaper alternatives to using corrugated iron sheets now. You can use besta boards on the floor frame (around 2.5k per sqm) and I'm even considering using something more lighter and cheaper

The industry is constantly evolving and so we are.

_______

Learnt a lot of alternative building solution from the 6th Annual Affordable Housing Conference held in Singapore. We will definitely get there one day.

EgunMogaji:


Some may say yes in the beginning and they waylay him in the middle

when the money finishes then he will hear does he expect me to use my money to build house for him.

its doable if he is building on half plot. It's important to know yhe size.

brabus:
Oga koning, here's alternative solution using I-section from ground up. And there's about 4in layer of concrete

What is holding he slab underneath ?

skimanski:


What is holding he slab underneath ?

C Purlins

brabus:


C Purlins

Wood or Steel Purlins

skimanski:


Wood or Steel Purlins

Steel.

brabus:


Steel.

So it Means when you add that to the 4inch Slab, you are looking at a thicker reinforcement than 6inch overall

brabus:
Oga koning, here's alternative solution using I-section from ground up. And there's about 4in layer of concrete

Thanks, a 4inch layer of concrete is more than enough for a one story duplex. It would get approval anywhere in the world except in Nigeria with very corrupt govt approval agents.

skimanski:


So it Means when you add that to the 4inch Slab, you are looking at a thicker reinforcement than 6inch overall

The 4in slab is optional. I can decide to go for besta boards or use 0.7 guage stucco Aluminium and do a 4in concrete slab over it.

A 20' 150mm H-Beam costs 13k. For a slab of 150m², I won't use more than 18 lengths. The purlins are in the range of 2.5/3k per m. By the time I sum up everything, I should be fine with 800k for the reinforcement minus the cost of woods and props and carpentary works cos they're no longer needed. Sorry woodworkers!

Trust me, it's cheaper in the long run. Im already planning to knock off the idea of running electrical pipes inside slab. I'm planning to go high on my ceilings and having cable trays installed for various services.


_______________
Note: Stucco is the cheapest aluminium in the market. 20' 100mm H-Beam costs 6.5k. And the cost of burning holes and welding plates in Owode is dirt cheap. At least man no person

This is what I'm talking about.

adanny01:


You are getting so many things wrong.

As far as safety of a building is concerned and as a matter of law, it is not your responsibility. The responsibility is to the structural engineer and the approving authority. It is your structural engineers professional stamp/ seal that must appear on you drawing plans. He is responsible for your safety.

It is left unto you to convince him and its left onto him to convince the approving officer both who assume responsibility for your safety.

The only way you take responsibilty for your safety is if you as the client donot engage the services of the structural engineer as the project supervisor and he relinquishes that role usually written on his documents. You as the client and the Builder/contractor take that responsibility.

Structural engineering is not scary business but scientific with proofs. If you cant proof it, you cant do it.

What a ridiculous postulate within the Nigerian context. I will never rely on a Nigerian structural engineer civil servant to guarantee my safety in my own house. A house that i intend to live in with my children.
I have seen some of those so-called structural engineers at Alausa. With 10k people like you will get anything approved just to rip off your clients.
I will surely employ my own structural engineer and will NEVER use a structural engineer brought by the builder/contractor. He is an accomplice if you know what I mean.

brabus:


The 4in slab is optional. I can decide to go for besta boards or use 0.7 guage stucco Aluminium and do a 4in concrete slab over it.

A 20' 150mm H-Beam costs 13k. For a slab of 150m², I won't use more than 18 lengths. The purlins are in the range of 2.5/3k per m. By the time I sum up everything, I should be fine with 800k for the reinforcement minus the cost of woods and props and carpentary works cos they're no longer needed. Sorry woodworkers!

Trust me, it's cheaper in the long run. Im already planning to knock off the idea of running electrical pipes inside slab. I'm planning to go high on my ceilings and having cable trays installed for various services.

Way to go man !. You really have some good ideas. That's what I mean by thinking outside the box. I like the idea of installing cable trays high in the ceilings.

How else do I wanna achieve wonderful designs like this if not i-section?

brabus:


The 4in slab is optional. I can decide to go for besta boards or use 0.7 guage stucco Aluminium and do a 4in concrete slab over it.

A 20' 150mm H-Beam costs 13k. For a slab of 150m², I won't use more than 18 lengths. The purlins are in the range of 2.5/3k per m. By the time I sum up everything, I should be fine with 800k for the reinforcement minus the cost of woods and props and carpentary works cos they're no longer needed. Sorry woodworkers!

Trust me, it's cheaper in the long run. Im already planning to knock off the idea of running electrical pipes inside slab. I'm planning to go high on my ceilings and having cable trays installed for various services.


_______________
Note: Stucco is the cheapest aluminium in the market. 20' 100mm H-Beam costs 6.5k. And the cost of burning holes and welding plates in Owode is dirt cheap. At least man no person

My ceiling will be high because the water pipes and other stuff like cabling will travel in the ceiling

segcymoor:

Sir, this statement is highly degrading to professional in building industry.


---------
Some things were not expected to be done anyhow

Did he tell you he will do things 'anyhow'. He intends to do it differently and cost effective. I cannot begin to tell you how much my builder wasted on my project to lintel level. To the point that his oga, the structural engineer told him that he does not need so much columns for a one-story duplex.
However, I still gave him the green light to construct it like that. It will only make my house stronger. I did not manage costs in the construction of the foundation and the pillars. He designed and built.

EgunMogaji:


My ceiling will be high because the water pipes and other stuff like cabling will travel in the ceiling

You forgot gas and HVAC.

koning:



What a ridiculous postulate within the Nigerian context. I will never rely on a Nigerian structural engineer civil servant to guarantee my safety in my own house. A house that intend to live in with my children.
I have seen some of those so-called structural engineers at Alausa. With 10k people like you will get anything approved just to rip off your clients.
I will surely employ my own structural engineer and will NEVER use a structural engineer brought by the builder/contractor. He is an accomplice if you know what I mean.

I said this before and I'll say it again which I'm sure will be much to some peoples chagrin, again, "In America I Trust".

I was almost elynched last time I said it but what's new

@ Egunmogaji, What about fire sprinkler?

5 years experience working with key South African contractors who built The Palms Mall, Lekki was never in vain.

koning:



What a ridiculous postulate within the Nigerian context. I will never rely on a Nigerian structural engineer civil servant to guarantee my safety in my own house. A house that i intend to live in with my children.
I have seen some of those so-called structural engineers at Alausa. With 10k people like you will get anything approved just to rip off your clients.
I will surely employ my own structural engineer and will NEVER use a structural engineer brought by the builder/contractor. He is an accomplice if you know what I mean.

Hey! Boss Take some deep breaths and calm down.
Everyone here is not a builder seeking for a job from you.
People have made their contributions and they are not responsible for how you chose to comprehend that.

Dieumerci:

Hey! Boss Take some deep breaths and calm down.
Everyone here is not a builder seeking for a job from you.
People have made their contributions and they are not responsible for how you chose to comprehend that.

Can I make my contributions too ?. Thank you. My posts are intended for everybody, builders and clients. Especially for the people who have the money to start building their own houses.

The bolded tells me you are a builder. well good luck to you. You will surely find enough magas

koning:



Can I make my contributions too ?. Thank you. My posts are intended for everybody, builders and clients. Especially for the people who have the money to start building their own houses.

The bolded tells me you are a builder. well good luck to you. You will surely find enough magas

Yes sir, I am a builder for my personal buildings.
Obviously, you are new in this properties section.
Be calm, read between the lines and discover those who are the professional builders here.

Can I make Pre-cast concrete parapet for between N3,000 - N3,300 per meter for a bungalow in Lagos.

Both materials and labour.


I know Abdulwastecx did about 50m for N3,600/m in Ogidi.

koning:



What a ridiculous postulate within the Nigerian context. I will never rely on a Nigerian structural engineer civil servant to guarantee my safety in my own house. A house that i intend to live in with my children.
I have seen some of those so-called structural engineers at Alausa. With 10k people like you will get anything approved (point of correction, SEALED not APPROVED) just to rip off your clients.
I will surely employ my own structural engineer and will NEVER use a structural engineer brought by the builder/contractor. He is an accomplice if you know what I mean.

I lost words to say.

Pls how many block can complete two bedroom flat