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Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by nduchucks: 9:50am On Sep 01, 2015
As for me and my household, we'd rather have the entire appointments made by the President offered to people from a single state, town, or even hamlet, if the end result reduces the level of corruption by only 20% and results in a significant reduction of looting with impunity.

Any sane human being should not wish the kind of looting of the treasuries to the detriment of current and generations unborn, upon this great country.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 9:51am On Sep 01, 2015
kenny987:


Yes, a clear sign of one of those that sit on the truth and try to suppress it. When it bites them in the arse and comes to light all they can do is scream and yell like banshees. It is ur mother, father and all u hold dear that are silly idiots.

How dare u unfold those diseased and mangled, leprous fingers of yours to mention my moniker to type rubbish? In that your almajiri school under tree were u not taught to engage people with courtesy? Better return whatever device u are using to the owner and stop stealing! U hate truth and it will continue to find u out! Uncircumcised oaf!

gringringringrin easy babe...don't mind them...
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by oluamid(m): 9:53am On Sep 01, 2015
Chisos! I can't believe my eyes! The OP has only gone short of calling GEJ the promised messiah. Why, oh why, would anyone compare a govt of 3 months and that of 6 years in terms of appointments.

It's simple logic and even experience has shown that most of the appointments Buhari has made will still be changed. There will be a lot of chopping and changing in the course of his 4 years tenure. Besides, it's only 40 appointments out of which many are of the President's personal team. Have some patience.

Who is the bigot here? The president who is yet to make his full complement of appointments or the 'critics' who are against the small number of appointments made only because 'their sons/daughters' are yet to be appointed and not because they question the competence of the appointees?

When GEJ was in power it wasn't every one of the over 400 tribes in the country that made it into his cabinet. I wonder why we expect Buhari to do the impossible.

Criticize but be objective. The APC/GEJ's critics didn't start their criticism of GEJ on the first day of his administration, they waited until they had a clearer picture of his agenda and where he's headed. Let's give the president a benefit of our doubts.

If the president fails to deliver we'll hold him to account, however, let's allow him to attempt his best first. Don't jump the horse.

Ciao.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 9:56am On Sep 01, 2015
nduchucks:
As for me and my household, we'd rather have the entire appointments made by the President offered to people from a single state, town, or even hamlet, if the end result reduces the level of corruption by only 20% and results in a significant reduction of looting with impunity.

Any sane human being should not wish the kind of looting of the treasuries to the detriment of current and generations unborn, upon this great country.

APC keep harping about looting...but all states controlled by them prior to election are in serious economic mess and completely rejected FOI which allows for transparency in governance... One begins to wonder who's really the devilish thief and looter...PDP is corrupt but APC isn't an option at all..they are worse than corrupt...Jonathan fought corruption as a matured and informed man...not the primitive style of shouting jail which doesn't see the light of day thanks to judicial rigours...

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Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by phyllosilicate(m): 10:01am On Sep 01, 2015
baralatie:

do you know that by the above comment you have accented that PMB is running a majorly northern administration and the list in question does not reflect a balance among the major diversities existing in Nigeria
Yes I agree. What I am only pointing out is that we Southners are very bias. When thing are lopsided in our favour we keep mute. Presently the VP and the SSG are Pastors, nobody is seeing anything wrong with it. The Day the Vp and SSG would be Imams, that is when we would start talking. And I can Bet all I have that You would complain if that happen. But why are you keeping silent now?
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 10:02am On Sep 01, 2015
agabaI23:
Sorry I had to quote everything because everything you wrote is on the money. We have been wondering. But I predicted this trend long ago. I told whoever wanted to hear that Tinubu and the rest would be sidelined and the Kano-Katsina axis will assume control. It happened with YarAdua not long ago. OBJ who installed him was sent to the trash can and UMYA went on like he was instructed to deconstruct anything OBJ left behind. The wants power but have no idea what to do with power for the benefit of the people. The reason is that all the know about leadership is to be worshiped while they hand out crumbs to their followers without any effort to develop or make them have a mind if their own.

And unfortunately, we will endure this anomaly for more years to come inasmuch some people see nothing wrong in what's happening now...
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 10:08am On Sep 01, 2015
atlwireles:


"The truth doesn't die but it lives like a poor man". Yiddish proverb.
Love this proverb a million times... cheesy
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Forwetinnah: 10:11am On Sep 01, 2015
Whynotthetruth:


Ya...I get it now...Actually, I wish something will happen to force Buhari to implement the Confab report because lots of resolutions there will aid and sort out lots of anomaly in the system...

Believe me, Nigeria is presently structured to make a failure of anybody ruling her...just because oligarchs up north wanted to protect sectional interest against national interest...

Buhari is refusing subsidy removal now because of sectional interest as against national interest... PMS will be costlier in the North as against South if subsidy goes today...Same also for refinery privatisation; his political interest as against national interest...

Restructure the country or implement confab report and we have automatically moved more towards strong institutions that encourage success and good governance as against the knack to see strong individuals which breeds corruption and intimidation...

The bolded is NEVER going to happen. Buhari is a dictator, besides the report doesn't favour the North..their so called Arewa Elders Forum released a press Statement on that a while back

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Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by baralatie(m): 10:13am On Sep 01, 2015
phyllosilicate:
Yes I agree. What I am only pointing out is that we Southners are very bias. When thing are lopsided in our favour we keep mute. Presently the VP and the SSG are Pastors, nobody is seeing anything wrong with it. The Day the Vp and SSG would be Imams, that is when we would start talking. And I can Bet all I have that You would complain if that happen. But why are you keeping silent now?
when it comes to religion it is a different thing in Nigeria even our politicians don't know how to balance religious sentiments.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by phyllosilicate(m): 10:17am On Sep 01, 2015
baralatie:

do you know that by the above comment you have accented that PMB is running a majorly northern administration and the list in question does not reflect a balance among the major diversities existing in Nigeria
Stop this Hypocrisy, why was there noise consigning Buhari/ fashola ticket? Why were their noise about Islamization of Nigeria?
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by aristosoft(m): 10:21am On Sep 01, 2015
I said this during election and permit me to say that again.

There were two parties. One has no agenda. The other one's agenda is to destroy the agenda of the agendaless one.

Hence, APC and PDP, figure out which is which among them.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by baralatie(m): 10:25am On Sep 01, 2015
phyllosilicate:
Stop this Hypocrisy, why was there noise consigning Buhari/ fashola ticket? Why were their noise about Islamization of Nigeria?
then if you are looking for hypocrisy,then you will look and ask the APC party!
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 10:33am On Sep 01, 2015
IsraeliAIRFORCE:


Don't bring another logic into this debate.

GEJ first appointment vs Buhari's first

Acting IGP Ringim Born in Ringim, Jigawa State - North

Air Vice Marshal Umar, the new Chief of Air Staff He was born in Kano Municipal Local Government Area of Kano State - North

The new Defence chief Petinrin was born on 19 January, 1955 at Ipetu-Ijesa in Ori-Ade Local Government Area of Osun State - South

Ihejirika was born on February 13, 1956, and is an indigene of Ovim, Isuikwuato Local Government Area of Abia State. - South

Mr. Ita Ekpeyong as Director General of the State Security Services. - South

Rear Admiral Ola Sa’ad Ibrahim as Chief of Naval Staff ld, the new naval chief hails from Kwara State - North

3 South and 3 North; One for each zone

Thanks so much...It's only lies that need to be dressed to walk the street; truth can always walk unclad...
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by phyllosilicate(m): 10:36am On Sep 01, 2015
baralatie:

then if you are looking for hypocrisy,then you will look and ask the APC party!
I am not an APC member, if PDP briings out a good person for Edo governorship election, I would support him. I am not an Hypocrite, I don't defend Amerchi, Oshomole, Tinubu.
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If we allowed GEJ to put SS/SE in the top positions in his cabinet (SSG, COS, Minister petroleum, Finance, Works, Power), then North allowing PMB do the same is Hypocrisy.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 10:42am On Sep 01, 2015
mauriceju2:
Nigeria's challenge is more in the structure, we operating in a wrong structure, Hausa and Yoruba know it very well but because they are benefiting from it they cannot do anything

THAT'S a fact bro
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by baralatie(m): 10:45am On Sep 01, 2015
phyllosilicate:

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If we allowed GEJ to put SS/SE in the top positions in his cabinet (SSG, COS, Minister petroleum, Finance, Works, Power), then North allowing PMB do the same is Hypocrisy.
no one is challenging the powers of the present administration to APPOINT.WHAT THEY are saying
1,Let the appointment reflect DIVERSITIES OF NIGERIA OR at least reflect a BALANCE.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by phyllosilicate(m): 10:59am On Sep 01, 2015
baralatie:

no one is challenging the powers of the present administration to APPOINT.WHAT THEY are saying
1,Let the appointment reflect DIVERSITIES OF NIGERIA OR at least reflect a BALANCE.

Sir I understand, let's wait till he finish the appointments. As for me, I don't if Buhari appoints anybody from Edo, all I want is he work in Edo. For most part of GEJ tenure, the COS was Oghiadomen (from by tribe), how did it affect the common Edo man? Tony Aneni and Onolememen were minister of works from Edo states, you need to see the state of our federal roads.
All I want for my state is development. If Buhari don't do it, we will meet in 2019.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Dewze(m): 11:02am On Sep 01, 2015
kenny987:
...I think it's time to make it a law that manifestoes of the winning party/govt after elections must be adhered to and reviewed periodically. Not just cosmetic government review but with samples of public opinion from every region because power resides with the people! Failure to meet with promises made amount to a breach and disqualifies such persons for re-election. Maybe then politicians will know that the social contract of governance is sacrosanct.


Word.

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Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 11:02am On Sep 01, 2015
oluamid:
Chisos! I can't believe my eyes! The OP has only gone short of calling GEJ the promised messiah. Why, oh why, would anyone compare a govt of 3 months and that of 6 years in terms of appointments.

It's simple logic and even experience has shown that most of the appointments Buhari has made will still be changed. There will be a lot of chopping and changing in the course of his 4 years tenure. Besides, it's only 40 appointments out of which many are of the President's personal team. Have some patience.

Who is the bigot here? The president who is yet to make his full complement of appointments or the 'critics' who are against the small number of appointments made only because 'their sons/daughters' are yet to be appointed and not because they question the competence of the appointees?

When GEJ was in power it wasn't every one of the over 400 tribes in the country that made it into his cabinet. I wonder why we expect Buhari to do the impossible.

Criticize but be objective. The APC/GEJ's critics didn't start their criticism of GEJ on the first day of his administration, they waited until they had a clearer picture of his agenda and where he's headed. Let's give the president a benefit of our doubts.

If the president fails to deliver we'll hold him to account, however, let's allow him to attempt his best first. Don't jump the horse.

Ciao.

Let me help your ignorance...
1) Nigeria is divided into six major regions...Buhari, APC, & Reps choose to remove one...

2) Do you know that SE won't be represented in buhari security council meeting...?

3)Buhari and his supporters started criticism and war against Jonathan immediately the election result was announced in 2011...Maybe because they didn't spill your blood or that of your relative that's why buhari is still a saint to you...

4)Do you know that the three arms of government: executive, legislature & judiciary are all headed by northerners...

5)Experience has also shown that even when they are changed in future, they are replaced with someone from same state/region...

6)Buhari is being asked to respect our diversity and appoint from the six geopolitical zones and not your 400tribes story...

7)Buhari should cancel projects especially dams in north that cost more than 2nd Niger bridge...which he cancelled citing frivolous reasons....

coolEven if buhari fails today...your type will still hug him as god...

9)Jonathan did well because his institutional framework, policies and achievements are what is sustaining us as buhari is gallivanting and snapping pictures daily...otherwise inflation and co would have hit us very hard....
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 11:08am On Sep 01, 2015
aristosoft:
I said this during election and permit me to say that again.

There were two parties. One has no agenda. The other one's agenda is to destroy the agenda of the agendaless one.

Hence, APC and PDP, figure out which is which among them.

gringringringrin You dey harsh oooo
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by baralatie(m): 11:09am On Sep 01, 2015
phyllosilicate:


Sir I understand, let's wait till he finish the appointments. As for me, I don't if Buhari appoints anybody from Edo, all I want is he work in Edo. For most part of GEJ tenure, the COS was Oghiadomen (from by tribe), how did it affect the common Edo man? Tony Aneni and Onolememen were minister of works from Edo states, you need to see the state of our federal roads.
All I want for my state is development. If Buhari don't do it, we will meet in 2019.
hmmm!
concerning Edo state.it is not as straight forward as you think.
I do know that the northern part of Edo state has enjoyed a lot of road upgrade and maintainence including the auchi-abuja road but now the contractors .........................(well we ask buhari to continue those roads)
but in the south of Edo state.i don't know much maybe I will reach out to my peeps to brief me up
but what I hear is that the south of Edo are not happy with osho
as for tony anenih (don't near that guy I beg unless you are obj)
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 11:13am On Sep 01, 2015
phyllosilicate:


Sir I understand, let's wait till he finish the appointments. As for me, I don't if Buhari appoints anybody from Edo, all I want is he work in Edo. For most part of GEJ tenure, the COS was Oghiadomen (from by tribe), how did it affect the common Edo man? Tony Aneni and Onolememen were minister of works from Edo states, you need to see the state of our federal roads.
All I want for my state is development. If Buhari don't do it, we will meet in 2019.

Some federal roads in Edo were done plzzzz...quit the lie...Infrastructure development was spread all over Nigeria... you don't expect only Edo roads to be done...

BTW my state Anambra had some federal roads done by state governor who sort for refund from federal government later...Edo is busy borrowing for nothing and inflating contracts...building a kilometer of road for 1billion... undecided
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Dewze(m): 11:13am On Sep 01, 2015
IsraeliAIRFORCE:


....It will do APC administration good to continue with Goodluck Jonathan's policies until they can come up with their socialist blueprint and policies having jettisoned the manifesto that brought them to power. ...


Not a bad advice.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Dewze(m): 12:15pm On Sep 01, 2015
Whynotthetruth:




Buhari is refusing subsidy removal now because of sectional interest as against national interest... PMS will be costlier in the North as against South if subsidy goes today...Same also for refinery privatisation; his political interest as against national interest...


You would want PMS to be costlier in the North than in the South? That itself sounds sectional.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 12:49pm On Sep 01, 2015
Dewze:


You would want PMS to be costlier in the North than in the South? That itself sounds sectional.

In the long run depending on the innovative nature of leaders especially northern governors to draw such investments down to north...it will come down...

Nigeria is dying because sectional interest sits above national interests which is paramount...

Agricultural products are cheaper up north too...than down south...

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Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Whynotthetruth(m): 12:52pm On Sep 01, 2015
Dewze:


Not a bad advice.

Socialism breeds laziness and parasitic relationship... Jonathan maintained modern capitalist economy... APC/Buhari implementation of socialism will only cause confusion as is in Osun state today...
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by supergoz13(m): 1:48pm On Sep 01, 2015
Why tell us when the president is in aso rock. We voted him, now it is clear that the are simply after power. Instead of telling us, go him and tell him.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by bakila: 3:16pm On Sep 01, 2015
tolulakin:


People like you are the reason why propaganda still gets Nigerian politicians the votes they need.

There must have been some elements of corruption during GEJ's tenure, yet we must sincerely acknowledge, he strengthened institutions in his bid to end corruption. Little wonder programmes like the Agricultural Transformation that ended years of corruption in the fertilizer distribution became a case study in most African countries.

If you presently do not see anything terribly wrong in the APC's present style, you are a terrible enemy of the State and you are one of those reasons Nigeria may never rise above mediocrity.
Really? Are you aware the the fertilizers were still sold for N7,000? That process was still corrupted. Again how much was involved in the fertilizer supply for the whole country? The cost of Oduah's bullet-proof car purchases and aviation fuel for Diezieni's jets were more than the cost of the fertilizer.
There may be a few things wrong with APC but corruption-wise, The era of PDP was one of STEALING IS NOT CORRUPTION at the headquaters of our executive governance.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by free13: 3:31pm On Sep 01, 2015
Hmmm...
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by kenny987(f): 4:29pm On Sep 01, 2015
oluamid:
Chisos! I can't believe my eyes! The OP has only gone short of calling GEJ the promised messiah. Why, oh why, would anyone compare a govt of 3 months and that of 6 years in terms of appointments.

It's simple logic and even experience has shown that most of the appointments Buhari has made will still be changed. There will be a lot of chopping and changing in the course of his 4 years tenure. Besides, it's only 40 appointments out of which many are of the President's personal team. Have some patience.

Who is the bigot here? The president who is yet to make his full complement of appointments or the 'critics' who are against the small number of appointments made only because 'their sons/daughters' are yet to be appointed and not because they question the competence of the appointees?

When GEJ was in power it wasn't every one of the over 400 tribes in the country that made it into his cabinet. I wonder why we expect Buhari to do the impossible.

Criticize but be objective. The APC/GEJ's critics didn't start their criticism of GEJ on the first day of his administration, they waited until they had a clearer picture of his agenda and where he's headed. Let's give the president a benefit of our doubts.

If the president fails to deliver we'll hold him to account, however, let's allow him to attempt his best first. Don't jump the horse.

Ciao.

First, Jonathan was in office for 5 years and not 6, just to set the record straight. He became Acting and later Substantive President in 2010 then won elections in 2011.
Next, when u say the APC waited until they had a clearer picture of where Jonathan's policies were headed, do not forget that APC came into existence about 2 years ago. Secondly, a large chunk of the APC members today were former PDP members so expectedly, there were no 'criticisms'. Individuals said their pieces but until the in-house fighting and sectional interests that led to the breakdown of the PDP, the PDP was and still is the only national party we had. Others like the ANPP, ACN, and CPC that constitute the APC today were just regional parties with hardly any representation apart from where they were formed.

Now, if you will carefully cast your mind back, u will agree that even though those that didn't vote APC/GMB had their reservations, they were charitable enough to chill before the current hail of criticisms started coming through. It wasn't until Lai Mohammed and John Oyegun started to say stupid things like 'Buhari's 2 weeks is better than PDP/GEJ's 5 years that people began to respond in kind. If you say it is too early to start comparing a 3 month old govt with the past administration, u need to understand that it was the APC that set the ball rolling in that direction in the first instance. What basis did they have to compare a mere handful of days with the number of years spent by the precious administration?

The complex and sensitive nature of Nigeria due mainly to differences in tribes and belief systems should not be ignored by any sane and sound President. The handling of such issues can make or mar an administration! When people say the appointments made by the President will be 'balanced' it shows clearly that there is an imbalance! That did not have to happen! From the SGF, AMCON, Customs, Accountant-General, Security Chiefs and all, those are not his personal staff as some like to excuse these current appointments. They are as sensitive as they come and u cannot say that subsequent appointments will not have the same set of people already 'favoured' here, featuring then. This is excluding Ministerial appointments which are governed by the Constitution to the extent of states of origin as all states must be represented.

Call a spade a spade. Buhari has been partial and knowing Nigeria as it is, it amounts to a slap on the face of all others not adequately represented. He should be able to strike the balance b/w the integrity he seeks and inclusiveness. Failure to do that is an indictment on his government no matter how 'wonderful' his tenure is. Integrity/competence are not local to one region. Nigeria is a joint project and there is no way the sectional interest of the majority appointed will not overshadow those of other regions not represented. It will cascade down to recruitment into the offices/agencies headed by these people and u know what that translates to.
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by Nobody: 5:38pm On Sep 01, 2015
bakila:

Really? Are you aware the the fertilizers were still sold for N7,000? That process was still corrupted. Again how much was involved in the fertilizer supply for the whole country? The cost of Oduah's bullet-proof car purchases and aviation fuel for Diezieni's jets were more than the cost of the fertilizer.
There may be a few things wrong with APC but corruption-wise, The era of PDP was one of STEALING IS NOT CORRUPTION at the headquaters of our executive governance.

Your hypocrisy shocks the devil. I don't know where you are from, but where I come from, a bag of fertilizer was sold to the farmers at 5,500 but that is not all. Farmers were to pay for half of the number of bags they applied for while government supplies the other half....FOC! If you applied for 22 bags, you pay for 11....I believe you are either ignorant of this, or you have a strain of Lai Mohammed's person in your DNA.

You see all those other corruption cases that your party leaders told you, because I am sure you are not independent-minded, we await the official proof of those stories from your government, not that numerical poo-poo that is erupting from Oshiomole's mouth oh...

Otherwise, we await the time when your party leaders will come out again and say they never said Diezani stole money! If public deception is not the highest level of corruption to you, I will not say amen if they pray for you to become even a councillor!
Re: Before We Are Driven Past Our Home... by ExInferis(m): 5:50pm On Sep 01, 2015
bakila:

Will you in truth to your conscience say that Jonathan and his cohorts did not steal? Who are you to stop the government from informing the citizens the state of their country as managed or mismanage by Jonathan. Nigerians have begun to see light, the days of PDP's impunity to its members and Nigerians is the last chapter of our history. State you views as loud as you can as the opposition, Nigerians don dey see light, if you wail with you eye closed na you sabi.

Thank you.

In this days of Snowden and Wikileaks and paranoia about govt activities, ours seems to be the only country that deems information as an anathema. People take offense in nigeria when they're informed.

In any case, dont waste your energy. There are a few die hard bigots and beneficiaries of the old order out to rubbish whatever gains PMB makes or will make, simply becuase we kicked out their benefactor, GEJ.

i've learned to ignore them. i suggest you do the same. For with or without their noise and thunder, PMB will rule for the next 4 years, and GEJ will likely go to jail.

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