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‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by Nobody: 11:04am On Sep 03, 2015
RIYADH — Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti has
described the Iranian film Muhammad
Messenger of God as un-Islamic, and said that
its production is not permitted under Shariah.
“This is a Magian film and a hostile work against
Islam,” Sheikh Abdulaziz Al-Asheikh, who is also
head of the Senior Scholars Commission and
the Ifta Council, told Al-Hayat newspaper on
Wednesday.
Al-Asheikh warned against showing or
circulating the film, saying that it mocks and
belittles the Prophet (peace be upon him).
He said the Prophet (pbuh) has special physical
and moral features that should never be
portrayed in film.
“The film makers are not reflecting the reality,”
he said. “This is a lewd work which has no
religion. It is a downright defamation of Islam.”
Al-Asheikh said those who are keen to glorify
the Prophet should focus on spreading his
Sunna, not showing his images.
“The film producers are not trustworthy,” he
said. “Lying is the crux of their lives. They are
not honest in all their matters.”
About 140 movie houses in Iran began showing
the film last week.
The film’s producers say that it features the life
of the Prophet.
They said it was the most expensive film in
Iran’s movie history, costing about $40 million
to produce.
The film’s director, Majid Majidi, said the aim
of the 171-minute-long film is to reinforce
Islamic unity.
The Azhar ofEgypt has also denounced the film
and asked for its immediate withdrawal from
cinemas.
Secretary General of the Muslim World League
(MWL) Abdullah Al-Turki denounced the
production of the film and called for its
immediate withdrawal from all movie theaters.
“The personification of Prophet Muhammad
(peace be upon him) in movies or TV series is
totally against Islam,” he said in a statement on
Wednesday.
The secretary general said that showing the
Prophet in person in any art work will
undermine his esteem.
Al-Turki asked the Iranian authorities to stop
showing the film immediately.
The film was recently shown at Montreal movie
festival.
Source: www.saudigazette.com.sa/mobile/index.cfm?method=sphome.spcon&contentid=20150903255462

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by AlBaqir(m): 1:30pm On Sep 03, 2015
"I am sure people in Al-Azhar and others who criticize the film haven't seen it yet. They are against the film only because its a cultural export of Iran."

"You cannot study Muhammad's life and not fall in love with him and his character. If this film makes people of the world know our Prophet better and see how kind he was, we have done our job"
{Sami Yusuf}

Really its a crazy world indeed! There is absolutely nothing Muslims agree upon. We disagree on everything under the disguise of religion. If the likes of Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim et al can dare document despicable ahadith that prophet slept with Aisha at the age of 9, that he used to have $ex with 11 of his wives within 1hr, that he had once ordered the massacre of a community etc etc and scholars deem these ahadith "authentic", thereby the western world picture the greatest prophet through these information, why would a film that portray Muhammad in the best manner under attack?

Is attacking and killing those who insult our Prophet (with justification from our so-called Sahih hadith) the solution or this kind of modern dissemination of information (film)?

Muslim world is indeed a sick world. Its high time we wake up from the hatred of each other.

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dejt4u(m): 2:00pm On Sep 03, 2015
You have make a very critical, thought-provoking but reasonable points @Albaqir
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by Nobody: 7:22am On Sep 06, 2015
@Albaqir return to scholars as they're the heir of the Prophets, they'll explain the ambiguous and unambiguous affairs of the religion. Sami Yusuf and his ilk are not an authority in Islam. We don't use our intellect alone to decide what's right or wrong. We use the kitab and authentic Sunnah as understood and applied by our pious predecessors. As-salaamu alaykum brothers

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 11:14am On Sep 06, 2015
Why not see the video yet,and avoid basing our judgments on hearsay...when some1 bring forth a news to u verify d news first so as to avoid spreading conspiracies.
Knowledge and key..."Do not follow that which u have no knowledge of" do personal findings of your own nd not base ur judgement on what mufti menk,zakir naik or d likes said
I am a realist smiley
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by Nobody: 11:31am On Sep 06, 2015
dekatrons:
Why not see the video yet,and avoid basing our judgments on hearsay...when some1 bring forth a news to u verify d news first so as to avoid spreading conspiracies.
Knowledge and key..."Do not follow that which u have no knowledge of" do personal findings of your own nd not base ur judgement on what mufti menk,zakir naik or d likes said
I am a realist smiley
I don't take knowledge from those you've mentioned as they're mere celebrity speakers. I take from scholars with grey-hairs and their students
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 12:55pm On Sep 06, 2015
Truthpallbearer:
I don't take knowledge from those you've mentioned as they're mere celebrity speakers. I take from scholars with grey-hairs and their students
"Seek for knowledge even if it were in china" am sure u know who made dis statement,am also sure u most av noted by now dat he made dis statement wen china was a pagan nation!
Zakr naik always sets stage to dialogue with christians and hindus am sure he wouldn't av if he had no knowledge of their religious practice and views but what amaze me is dat when we speak of the shia we are always told by our clergy men that we shouldn't go to dem and deh will add a line dat bitters me "deh will stain ur faith" I always ask my self that how can a shia stain my faith wen d non muslims,the athiest and the likes can't there is only one possible "what deh possess is better than wat I have" then I made up my mind to dialogue with them nd I tell you it was the greatest moment of my life nd I have discovered that they completely different from the pictures designed,computerized and installed into our software by our clergy men
Indeed shias are my best frnds and I'm sure the same will happen to any one who dialogues with a true shia nd does it without rancor or a derogatory view but with d aim of trying to know them better

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 1:05pm On Sep 06, 2015
Some1 once said "in life there are three groups of people 1:those who knw more than you and want to school you 2:those who know less than you and want to learn from you 3:those who have no idea abt what you knw and still want to oppose you----dnt be of the 3rd category
The great nobel lorient Maria curie also got some beautiful lines "nothing should be feared,what you should to do is understand everything"
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by Nobody: 2:15pm On Sep 06, 2015
dekatrons:

"Seek for knowledge even if it were in china" am sure u know who made dis statement,am also sure u most av noted by now dat he made dis statement wen china was a pagan nation!
Zakr naik always sets stage to dialogue with christians and hindus am sure he wouldn't av if he had no knowledge of their religious practice and views but what amaze me is dat when we speak of the shia we are always told by our clergy men that we shouldn't go to dem and deh will add a line dat bitters me "deh will stain ur faith" I always ask my self that how can a shia stain my faith wen d non muslims,the athiest and the likes can't there is only one possible "what deh possess is better than wat I have" then I made up my mind to dialogue with them nd I tell you it was the greatest moment of my life nd I have discovered that they completely different from the pictures designed,computerized and installed into our software by our clergy men
Indeed shias are my best frnds and I'm sure the same will happen to any one who dialogues with a true shia nd does it without rancor or a derogatory view but with d aim of trying to know them better
Taqiyya

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by AlBaqir(m): 9:14pm On Sep 06, 2015
Truthpallbearer:
@Albaqir return to scholars as they're the heir of the Prophets, they'll explain the ambiguous and unambiguous affairs of the religion. Sami Yusuf and his ilk are not an authority in Islam. We don't use our intellect alone to decide what's right or wrong. We use the kitab and authentic Sunnah as understood and applied by our pious predecessors. As-salaamu alaykum brothers

Even in the holy Quran, ash-Shaytan was quoted. There are equally several Sahih ahadith in which this cursed being was quoted. The reason behind these is to learn not because the person is worth following. Sami Yusuf is a muslim...a singer, a poet.

Hasan ibn Thabit, a prominent sahaba was a 'singer', a poet who composed several ode for the prophet and the believers.

I am not talking of Islamic perspective on music here nor am I praising Sami Yusuf or comparing him with a Sahaba. I am simply interested in his sensible word not the silly criticism that further split the Ummah, of the so-called your "white-beared" scholar.

Speaking at the premiere of ‘Muhammad: Messenger of God’, Majid Majidi says further films would help improve understanding of Islam around the world.

WA alaykum Salam.
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by AlBaqir(m): 9:19pm On Sep 06, 2015
Truthpallbearer:
Taqiyya

You see! That's another form of "designed, computerized and installed" programming your white-beared ulama put into your software. Intellectual handcuffs. Taqiyah ko, Taqiyah Ni.

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 9:42pm On Sep 06, 2015
Truthpallbearer:
Taqiyya
Hmm..guess ure dumbfounded..that's not the issue here..only obeying the verse of the koran which says "do not let your hatred for a group of people drive you towards committing injustice",this verse and the likes are example of verses which our sunni clergy men forget when dealing with d shias instead of following the prophets method of dialogue deh result to violence and rebelliousness which in it self is a sign of defeat
I will like to mention anoda point here..It is glaring enough that the sunnis and the shias are "enemies" so to speak.now d point is why go to a sunnis to inquire about shism..if this is a correct approach why do we blame the non-muslims for going to their clergy men nd rabbis to inquire about islam
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by LagosShia: 10:58pm On Sep 06, 2015


how can a blind man who has not and cannot view a film be qualified to pass fatwa and declare it un-Islamic?

it is either the judgment is not his own or he is deceiving his followers, or he has a motive for his fatwa to prevent his fans from viewing the film out of jealousy and hatred.

Holy Quran 22:46
"So have they not traveled through the earth and have hearts by which to reason and ears by which to hear? For indeed, it is not eyes that are blinded, but blinded are the hearts which are within the breasts".

Holy Quran 17:72
"And whoever is blind in this [life] will be blind in the Hereafter and more astray in way".
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by Kunlexic(m): 2:04am On Sep 07, 2015
Salam alaykum
Pls who are the 1 called Shia?

May Allah give us more knowlegde to understand the deen

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by usermane(m): 6:18am On Sep 07, 2015
Truthpallbearer:
He said the Prophet (pbuh) has special physical and moral features that should never be portrayed in film. “The film makers are not reflecting the reality,” he said.

Peace brother, are you and the Sheikh insinuating that Muhammad is not a man like us but much superior and incomparable? Otherwise why can't Muhammad be portrayed in drama or graphically depicted in pictures or videos? Please read the following verses attentively, there is a very fine line between respecting the messenger and associating him as partner with God.

Quran 18:110
Say, "I am only a man like you, to whom has been revealed that your god is one God. So whoever would hope for the meeting with his Lord - let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his Lord anyone."

Quran 41:6
Say, "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with God


I 'm no intellectual slave to religious scholars or clerics. Truth is the only thing, the only thing I ever sought on Islam. I may hold heterodox or controversial views, but at least I always stood for textual, logical and decipherable proof regardless of the doctrine or dogma in question.
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by Nobody: 6:34am On Sep 07, 2015
usermane:


Peace brother, are you and the Sheikh insinuating that Muhammad is not a man like us but much superior and incomparable? Otherwise why can't Muhammad be portrayed in drama or graphically depicted in pictures or videos? Please read the following verses attentively, there is a very fine line between respecting the messenger and associating him as partner with God.

Quran 18:110
Say, "I am only a man like you, to whom has been revealed that your god is one God. So whoever would hope for the meeting with his Lord - let him do righteous work and not associate in the worship of his Lord anyone."

Quran 41:6
Say, "I am only a man like you to whom it has been revealed that your god is but one God; so take a straight course to Him and seek His forgiveness." And woe to those who associate others with God


I 'm no intellectual slave to religious scholars or clerics. Truth is the only thing, the only thing I ever sought on Islam. I may hold heterodox or controversial views, but at least I always stood for textual, logical and decipherable proof regardless of the doctrine or dogma in question.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, "Binding upon you is my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided successors, bite on to that with your molar teeth. In another narration, He mentioned the splitting of the Ummah and those that will be saved are those that are upon that which him and his companions are upon today. Quran 9:100 and other related verses indicated those that are to be taken as a model and guide, the shias reviled the companions and make takfeer of them, these statements are in their books and other than that. The shias and khawarij are two sides of a coin- offspring of Abdullahi ibn Saba al-Yahoodi al-salool. A lot of people have been drowned by their intellect as intellect alone is not sufficient to decipher the truth. I have tried my best and Allaah is my witness against all of you. The shias are not Muslims as their creed is built on imamate and they consider their Imams to be infallible , seeking aid from the grave, seeking protection from their awliyas and other forms of shirk. Do not be deceived by their outward display of pity and love.

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by MrOlai: 7:05am On Sep 07, 2015
Truthpallbearer:
The shias and khawarij are two sides of a coin- offspring of Abdullahi ibn Saba al-Yahoodi al-salool.


Truthpallbearer:
The shias are not Muslims as their creed is built on imamate and they consider their Imams to be infallible , seeking aid from the grave, seeking protection from their awliyas and other forms of shirk. Do not be deceived by their outward display of pity and love.
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by vedaxcool(m): 8:20am On Sep 07, 2015
Sometimes it is better to quietly ban the film than making so much noise and creating more publicity for such a film. Most muslim would not know in places like Iran depiction of the prophet pbuh which falls short of the sunnah is widespread and accepted, I have read they depict the pictures of the prophet on post cars, mural, it is a generally accepted behavior in Iran. So next time it is better to quietly outlaw such un-islamic behavior than create more publicity for it.

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by vedaxcool(m): 8:22am On Sep 07, 2015
LagosShia:


how can a blind man who has not and cannot view a film be qualified to pass fatwa and declare it un-Islamic?

it is either the judgment is not his own or he is deceiving his followers, or he has a motive for his fatwa to prevent his fans from viewing the film out of jealousy and hatred.





Everyone can always bank you to be dishonest, how do blind people know about the world? or being blind now means one is totally locked off from information? The real bone of contention is the depiction of the Prophet pbuh in the film.

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 9:31am On Sep 07, 2015
vedaxcool:


Everyone can always bank you to be dishonest, how do blind people know about the world? or being blind now means one is totally locked off from information? The real bone of contention is the depiction of the Prophet pbuh in the film.
What's wrong with depicting prophet mohammad in a film if the information conveyed in the film is not contrary to His message..if I am not mistaking prophet yusuf was depicted in a sunni film which has up to eight or seven parts....is it depicting a prophet in a film that is d problem or depicting prophet mohammad in a shia film?

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by usermane(m): 10:01am On Sep 07, 2015
Truthpallbearer:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, "Binding upon you is my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided successors, bite on to that with your molar teeth. In another narration, He mentioned the splitting of the Ummah and those that will be saved are those that are upon that which him and his companions are upon today. Quran 9:100 and other related verses indicated those that are to be taken as a model and guide, the shias reviled the companions and make takfeer of them, these statements are in their books and other than that. The shias and khawarij are two sides of a coin- offspring of Abdullahi ibn Saba al-Yahoodi al-salool. A lot of people have been drowned by their intellect as intellect alone is not sufficient to decipher the truth. I have tried my best and Allaah is my witness against all of you. The shias are not Muslims as their creed is built on imamate and they consider their Imams to be infallible , seeking aid from the grave, seeking protection from their awliyas and other forms of shirk. Do not be deceived by their outward display of pity and love.

Am no Shiite and my post had no reference to Shiism. What I observe here is the evident degree to which Muhammad has been idolized and venerated as God 's partner in the traditional Muslim ideology. These Muslims have no problem with images, videos and dramas with Moses, Jesus, Angels and other messengers of God but when it pertain to Muhammad, they go bonkers and intolerant. You cannot present one verse in the Quran that justify this, one verse in the Qur'an that consecrate and elevate Muhammad beyond other messengers or angels.

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by vedaxcool(m): 10:57am On Sep 07, 2015
dekatrons:

What's wrong with depicting prophet mohammad in a film if the information conveyed in the film is not contrary to His message..if I am not mistaking prophet yusuf was depicted in a sunni film which has up to eight or seven parts....is it depicting a prophet in a film that is d problem or depicting prophet mohammad in a shia film?

Muslims who follow the sunnah do not depict the prophet pbuh or any prophet a.s for that matter.

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 11:07am On Sep 07, 2015
vedaxcool:


Muslims who follow the sunnah do not depict the prophet pbuh or any prophet a.s for that matter.
Why is that?
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by vedaxcool(m): 12:15pm On Sep 07, 2015
dekatrons:

Why is that?

You read about it here http://islamqa.info/en/181704
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by LagosShia: 3:32pm On Sep 07, 2015
vedaxcool:


Everyone can always bank you to be dishonest, how do blind people know about the world? or being blind now means one is totally locked off from information? The real bone of contention is the depiction of the Prophet pbuh in the film.

Have you watched the film? Obviously no. You are spreading hearsay or rather rumor.

The Prophet (sa) was not depicted. In some parts, his back was "shown"; no facial expression or depiction or role play.

Going by the sectarian and political divide in the middle east, it is not surprising that the Wahhabi mufti of al-Saud would be of this view. It is political in other words, and this was affirmed by a Sunni Saudi writer. It is just not good for Shia Iran to be praised for contributing something good to Islam in the sight of Wahhabis. They must find something wrong.

The essence of the film is to portray the image of Islam and the holy Prophet that Wahhabism has tarnished in good light and bringing out the reality of the holy Prophet (as) as mercy unto mankind.

Let us even go a bit further. On what basis is it haram to depict prophets in Islam? Just because your scholars are of that opinion? What is the basis in the Qur'an and the sunnah? I believe none.I stand to be corrected.
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by Nobody: 8:30pm On Sep 07, 2015
usermane:


Am no Shiite and my post had no reference to Shiism. What I observe here is the evident degree to which Muhammad has been idolized and venerated as God 's partner in the traditional Muslim ideology. These Muslims have no problem with images, videos and dramas with Moses, Jesus, Angels and other messengers of God but when it pertain to Muhammad, they go bonkers and intolerant. You cannot present one verse in the Quran that justify this, one verse in the Qur'an that consecrate and elevate Muhammad beyond other messengers or angels.
The scholars have spoken against depiction of the Prophets be it in any form. This is our duty as Muslims to believe in them, know their ranks and protect their honour.
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by vedaxcool(m): 9:14pm On Sep 07, 2015
LagosShia:


Have you watched the film? Obviously no. You are spreading hearsay or rather rumor.

The Prophet (sa) was not depicted. In some parts, his back was "shown"; no facial expression or depiction or role play.

Going by the sectarian and political divide in the middle east, it is not surprising that the Wahhabi mufti of al-Saud would be of this view. It is political in other words, and this was affirmed by a Sunni Saudi writer. It is just not good for Shia Iran to be praised for contributing something good to Islam in the sight of Wahhabis. They must find something wrong.

The essence of the film is to portray the image of Islam and the holy Prophet that Wahhabism has tarnished in good light and bringing out the reality of the holy Prophet (as) as mercy unto mankind.

Let us even go a bit further. On what basis is it haram to depict prophets in Islam? Just because your scholars are of that opinion? What is the basis in the Qur'an and the sunnah? I believe none.I stand to be corrected.

You started on a dishonest path, rather than correct yourself you carryon with no remorse.

vedaxcool:

Everyone can always bank you to be dishonest, how do blind people know about the world? or being blind now means one is totally locked off from information? The real bone of contention is the depiction of the Prophet pbuh in the film.
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by Demmzy15(m): 12:37pm On Sep 08, 2015
undecided
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by AlBaqir(m): 1:13pm On Sep 08, 2015
While you guys love derailing from topics, it is of no crime to respond academically to some of your pseudo information.

Truthpallbearer:
Quran 9:100 and other related verses indicated those that are to be taken as a model and guide,

Ma sha Allah. Unfortunately you either ignorantly or purposely left verse 101 of the same Quran chapter 9 where Allah exposed bunch of Munafiq (hypocrites) among the Sahaba who used to surround the Prophet. Worst still the hypocrisy of many of them is at the peak that even the Prophet knew them not at the time of the revelation of the ayah.

Can you emulate those sort of Sahaba?

Truthpallbearer:
the shias reviled the companions and make takfeer of them, these statements are in their books and other than that.

Failure! It was the Prophet himself that first made Takfeer of some of them.

Imam Bukhari in his Sahih documented this hadith of Ibn Abbas:

'The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "You will be resurrected bare-footed, naked and uncircumcised." Then he recited:{As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: a promise We have undertaken. Truly, We shall do it} [21:104]. He continued: "The first to be dressed will be Ibrahim. Then, some of my SAHABAH will be taken towards the Right side AND TOWARDS THE LEFT SIDE. So, I will say: 'My Sahabah! It will be said, 'THEY HAD BEEN APOSTATES SINCE YOU LEFT THEM.' I will then say as the Righteous servant, 'Isa b. Maryam, said: {And I was a witness over them whilst I lived amongst them. But, when You caused me to die, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, You, only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise} [5:117-118]'

~Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 3 p. 1271, #3263

This hadith ends with the following:
'Muhammad b. Yusuf narrated from Abu 'Abd Allah that Qubaysah said: "They were those who apostatized during the time of Abu Bakar. So Abu Bakar, may Allah be pleased with him, fought them."

Really that was personal claim of Qubaysah. The holy prophet's wording are too explicit in the categories his sahabas will be divided. And those whom Abu Bakar fought were not even inhabitant of Medina who used to keep the holy prophet's company. The specifications of the deviators were so glaring that:

Anas b. Malik reports that
"The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "Some persons from amongst those who kept me company will meet me at the Lake-fount. I will see them, and they will be presented to me. Then, they will be forced away from me. [b]I will say: 'O my Lord, my Sahabah! My Sahabah.' It will be said to me: 'You do not know what they INNOVATED after you.'"
~Sahih Muslim, vol. 4, p. 1800, #2304 (40)

This is the true belief as per the companions of the prophet. Respect, prayers and praise to those who truly believe and never deviated from their faith. Those who apostatised should be learnt from so that we do not fall to their mistakes. Campaigning that ALL of them altogether are righteous and people of Jannah irrespective of their crimes is innovation which is contradictory against Quran and sunnah. These are the people shi'a have problem with.

For more detail on how some of your programmed robot brothers were put to the sword on this issue of "Sahaba", click the link:
https://www.nairaland.com/1903995/religious-authority-sistani-condemns-cursing

Truthpallbearer:
The shias and khawarij are two sides of a coin- offspring of Abdullahi ibn Saba al-Yahoodi al-salool.

Your darling Abdullah ibn Saba's card isn't gonna work any longer my brother. Just check the sanad of any boogey report on Abdullah ibn Saba in any of your prestigious book of ahadith; then you will curse your grey-beared shuyukh for deceiving you with a non-existent Abdullah ibn Saba.

Your independent research will liberate you from the shackles of programming and dogmatism
Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 1:46pm On Sep 08, 2015
AlBaqir:
While you guys love derailing from topics, it is of no crime to respond academically to some of your pseudo information.

quote author=Truthpallbearer post=37750710] Quran 9:100 and other related verses indicated those that are to be taken as a model and guide,


Ma sha Allah. Unfortunately you either ignorantly or purposely left verse 101 of the same Quran chapter 9 where Allah exposed bunch of Munafiq (hypocrites) among the Sahaba who used to surround the Prophet. Worst still the hypocrisy of many of them is at the peak that even the Prophet knew them not at the time of the revelation of the ayah.

Can you emulate those sort of Sahaba?

the shias reviled the companions and make takfeer of them, these statements are in their books and other than that.

Failure! It was the Prophet himself that first made Takfeer of some of them.

Imam Bukhari in his Sahih documented this hadith of Ibn Abbas:

'The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "You will be resurrected bare-footed, naked and uncircumcised." Then he recited:{As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: a promise We have undertaken. Truly, We shall do it} [21:104]. He continued: "The first to be dressed will be Ibrahim. Then, some of my SAHABAH will be taken towards the Right side AND TOWARDS THE LEFT SIDE. So, I will say: 'My Sahabah! It will be said, 'THEY HAD BEEN APOSTATES SINCE YOU LEFT THEM.' I will then say as the Righteous servant, 'Isa b. Maryam, said: {And I was a witness over them whilst I lived amongst them. But, when You caused me to die, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, You, only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise} [5:117-118]'

~Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 3 p. 1271, #3263

This hadith ends with the following:
'Muhammad b. Yusuf narrated from Abu 'Abd Allah that Qubaysah said: "They were those who apostatized during the time of Abu Bakar. So Abu Bakar, may Allah be pleased with him, fought them."

Really that was personal claim of Qubaysah. The holy prophet's wording are too explicit in the categories his sahabas will be divided. And those whom Abu Bakar fought were not even inhabitant of Medina who used to keep the holy prophet's company. The specifications of the deviators were so glaring that:

Anas b. Malik reports that
"The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "Some persons from amongst those who kept me company will meet me at the Lake-fount. I will see them, and they will be presented to me. Then, they will be forced away from me. [b]I will say: 'O my Lord, my Sahabah! My Sahabah.' It will be said to me: 'You do not know what they INNOVATED after you.'"
~Sahih Muslim, vol. 4, p. 1800, #2304 (40)

This is the true belief as per the companions of the prophet. Respect, prayers and praise to those who truly believe and never deviated from their faith. Those who apostatised should be learnt from so that we do not fall to their mistakes. Campaigning that ALL of them altogether are righteous and people of Jannah irrespective of their crimes is innovation which is contradictory against Quran and sunnah. These are the people shi'a have problem with.

For more detail on how some of your programmed robot brothers were put to the sword on this issue of "Sahaba", click the link:
https://www.nairaland.com/1903995/religious-authority-sistani-condemns-cursing

The shias and khawarij are two sides of a coin- offspring of Abdullahi ibn Saba al-Yahoodi al-salool.

Your darling Abdullah ibn Saba's card isn't gonna work any longer my brother. Just check the sanad of any boogey report on Abdullah ibn Saba in any of your prestigious book of ahadith; then you will curse your grey-beared shuyukh for deceiving you with a non-existent Abdullah ibn Saba.

Your independent research will liberate you from the shackles of programming and dogmatism
Naam,made the research some years back,to my utter bewilderment the character ibn saba neva existed in islamic history but was a fictitious character coined out by the so called followers of the sunnah to push people away from the shias seeing that a dialogue with dem will be to no avail
He also said they "the shias deceives people with dier knowledge which was their other resort seeing that the fraud of ibn saba has failed "I wonderwat kind of worshipper they think Allah is looking for may a dummy one who has no intellect or no thinking faculty. One reply to them is how can some1 without accurate knowledge of God worship him accurately and anoda is if our sole aim is to worship Allah,and Allah creates nothing in vein why has he given us intellect and made intellect one of the most important tool of the human being?.mayb they should go back to the wordings of the koran and c hw many times Allah has mentioned the importance of intellects therein..may ALLAH keep us on the right path

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Re: ‘iranian Film On Prophet Un-islamic’ by dekatrons(m): 2:45pm On Sep 08, 2015
Examples of the verse are
1-but the polytheists have no knowledge of the truth and constantly avert themselves from it-21-24
2-tell men to reflect with care and see what things the heavens and the earth contain-10-101
3-............in all of these are signs for men who use their intellect-2;163-164
4.Pure and exalted is thy LORD,God the Powerful,and unique who is pure of what men in their iGNORANCE ascribe to Him-37:180
5-the worst of creatures un the sight of God are those who are deaf and dumb and do not REFLECT-8;22

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