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This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by parisbookaddict(f): 8:45pm On Sep 03, 2015
This religion promises its followers hell and they embrace it in ignorance and some in denial.

These verses are from the quran, not hadiths, but from the unholy book of Islam, the quran or "Oh run", its a suicide bomber.

[size=13pt] Surah 19:71: “There shall be none of
you but shall descend into the same
(hell): This is an established decree
upon thy Lord.” (Sale)
[/size]


Here is another translation, for those they will say it just a mistranslation.

Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned.Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise,he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion (Quran 3:185)

And a simpler straight to the point translation.

[size=13pt]Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable
decree of your Lord that every one of
you will be taken to hell.” (Sarwar)
[/size]
Before u say how would mohammed have said this?? You have to realise he said a lot of asinine things that people concluded he wAs mad. Surprisingly, it is mentioned in the quran.


[size=13pt]
Surah 15, verse 6:
*And they [the Arab pagans] say, ‘O you to whom the Reminder has been revealed! You are most surely insane!’

[/size]



And the very next verse of surah 19:71 says.

Surah 19:72:
“Then (Thumma) We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.” (Pickthall)

Do you realize the implications of this promise, every Muslim including the nice ones(including the ones u know ) are promised hell by there own book.

Do you want your muslim friends in hell?? As a Christian its your duty to wake these people up.

They are decieved that after a period of time they shall be taken out of Hell and into Paradise,

But then mohammed aka Islamic allah made them a promise,

He told
them that if they die fighting for his
cause(Lesser jihad, not to be confused with greater jiahd), he will forgive their sins and will
save them from the “grievous Penalty”


Surah 61:10-13:
O ye who believe! SHALL I LEAD YOU TO A BARGAIN THAT WILL SAVE YOU FROM A GRIEVOUS PENALTY ? – That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye
strive your utmost in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement. And another favour will He bestow, which ye do love, – help from Allah and a speedy victory.
(Yusuf Ali)

For 1400 years these indoctrinated brainwashed humans have given their life to the cause of mohammed aka Islamic allah, Muslim suicide bombers are
motivated by this murderous bargain with
Allah.

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Why did the muslim deity/ Islamic allah include such a promise if he knew that it would inspire such evil in the world. [/size]




Today you may know these jihadists as terrorists in every country with significant muslim population. The prophet of Islam even implies that he was a terrorist.

[size=13pt] Qur’an 8:12— Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil [size=17pt] TERROR [/size]
into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
[/size]



Do u see why muslims are killing people in Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Nigeria, kenya, France etc. Its not because of poverty or mohammed cartoons or western foreign policy. Its becaUse of this bargain. " wage jihad and head straight to paradise).

I invite
bashbabe2 lexiconkabir mustymatic EzioAuditore abduljabbar4 tartar9 Rilwayne001 9jaforlife Abuamam tola9ja Sweetnecta vedaxcool Empiree eshbeewanna and any muslim knowledge in the quran to explain these verses, provide clearer interpretations or prove that mohammed didn't really mean it.



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Mohammed unsurprisingly gave more instructions and if u are a Christian, here is one you should take particular notice of;

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book(Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

So as a Christian u must pay the jizya with willing SUBMISSION AND MUST FEEL SUBDUED or be fought.
Christians in muslim countries pay this jizyah to this day, if u can't afford to the Sharia law derived from the quran says to convert the Christian/Jew to Islam or kill him or her.
[/size]





Then a disturbing but expected admission of the prophet of Islam;

[size=13pt]
Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no
power to harm you, nor to guide
you.” (Khalifa)

another translation:

“It is not in my power to cause you
harm, or to bring you to the Right
Path.” (Hilali-Khan) [/size]


Do you really understand the gravity of
Muhammad’s statement when he said,

“I possess no power to guide you” or “to
bring you to the Right Path”? Is it not a
prophet’s duty to guide the congregation of God to the “Right Path”? Can you now depend on this man to guide you to salvation? Would it be wise for you to do so?

Why then is he making promises and claiming he is a prophet if he can't guide people rightly.

As a Christian reading quran passages is very tough, there are a lot of threats to non muslims, approval to take sex slaves, beat women, rambles and rants and commands to fight people. You can see its a pack of lies but muslims don't see it that way and we must wake them up.
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by guynupe(m): 8:58pm On Sep 03, 2015
I so much pity your life...... just be careful

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by ByfireByfire: 9:01pm On Sep 03, 2015
Tell them. Religion of the most utmost wickedness from the pit of hell.

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by pneumaticos(m): 9:03pm On Sep 03, 2015
guynupe:
I so much pity your life...... just be careful

U christian or muslim

If muslim...ur second name is mumunatu
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 9:26pm On Sep 03, 2015
I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you. Revelation 3:9

Abrahams blessings are mine.

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by resty4(m): 9:33pm On Sep 03, 2015
Dats muslim pugatory.islam n catholic r twin brodas very deceitful n misleadg.

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 11:27pm On Sep 03, 2015
@parisbookaddict, i will recommend you stop copying and pasting blindly, in order not to embarrass yourself.

Q19:71 "there is not one of you but will pass over it(hell): this is with your lord; a decree which must be accomplished."

The arabic wording used for the bolded is "illa waariduhakana a'la" meaning "but pass over it(hell)" not to enter it(hell) as your gurus you copied and pasted from claimed.

Now lets read verse 70 that comes before 71,


Q19:70"Then, verily we know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein"

which implies in 70 Allah is telling we(muslims) the believers that, he knows best those that should be burnt, and 71 tells us that we muslims are not one of them, but we shall pass over it(hell), then who are best known by Allah to be burnt in blazing fire? lets read

Q19:72"......and we shall leave the polytheists(including trinitarians) to their knees(in hell)"

implying the people to be burnt are wrong doers and polytheist but believers shall pass over it!

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by mustymatic(m): 11:29pm On Sep 03, 2015
parisbookaddict:
This religion promises its followers hell and they embrace it in ignorance and some in denial.

These verses are from the quran, not hadiths, but from the unholy book of Islam, the quran or "Oh run", its a suicide bomber.

[size=13pt] Surah 19:71: “There shall be none of
you but shall descend into the same
(hell): This is an established decree
upon thy Lord.” (Sale)
[/size]


Here is another translation, for those they will say it just a mistranslation.

Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned.Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise,he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion (Quran 3:185)

And a simpler straight to the point translation.

[size=13pt]Surah 19:71: “It is the inevitable
decree of your Lord that every one of
you will be taken to hell.” (Sarwar)
[/size]
Before u say how would mohammed have said this?? You have to realise he said a lot of asinine things that people concluded he wAs mad. Surprisingly, it is mentioned in the quran.


[size=13pt]
Surah 15, verse 6:
*And they [the Arab pagans] say, ‘O you to whom the Reminder has been revealed! You are most surely insane!’

[/size]



And the very next verse of surah 19:71 says.

Surah 19:72:
“Then (Thumma) We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.” (Pickthall)

Do you realize the implications of this promise, every Muslim including the nice ones(including the ones u know ) are promised hell by there own book.

Do you want your muslim friends in hell?? As a Christian its your duty to wake these people up.

They are decieved that after a period of time they shall be taken out of Hell and into Paradise,

But then mohammed aka Islamic allah made them a promise,

He told
them that if they die fighting for his
cause(Lesser jihad, not to be confused with greater jiahd), he will forgive their sins and will
save them from the “grievous Penalty”


Surah 61:10-13:
O ye who believe! SHALL I LEAD YOU TO A BARGAIN THAT WILL SAVE YOU FROM A GRIEVOUS PENALTY ? – That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye
strive your utmost in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement. And another favour will He bestow, which ye do love, – help from Allah and a speedy victory.
(Yusuf Ali)

For 1400 years these indoctrinated brainwashed humans have given their life to the cause of mohammed aka Islamic allah, Muslim suicide bombers are
motivated by this murderous bargain with
Allah.

[size=13pt]
Why did the muslim deity/ Islamic allah include such a promise if he knew that it would inspire such evil in the world. [/size]




Today you may know these jihadists as terrorists in every country with significant muslim population. The prophet of Islam even implies that he was a terrorist.

[size=13pt] Qur’an 8:12— Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil [size=17pt] TERROR [/size]
into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
[/size]



Do u see why muslims are killing people in Syria, Iraq, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, Nigeria, kenya, France etc. Its not because of poverty or mohammed cartoons or western foreign policy. Its becaUse of this bargain. " wage jihad and head straight to paradise).

I invite
bashbabe2 lexiconkabir mustymatic EzioAuditore abduljabbar4 tartar9 Rilwayne001 9jaforlife Abuamam tola9ja Sweetnecta vedaxcool Empiree eshbeewanna and any muslim knowledge in the quran to explain these verses, provide clearer interpretations or prove that mohammed didn't really mean it.



[size=13pt]

Mohammed unsurprisingly gave more instructions and if u are a Christian, here is one you should take particular notice of;

Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book(Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

So as a Christian u must pay the jizya with willing SUBMISSION AND MUST FEEL SUBDUED or be fought.
Christians in muslim countries pay this jizyah to this day, if u can't afford to the Sharia law derived from the quran says to convert the Christian/Jew to Islam or kill him or her.
[/size]





Then a disturbing but expected admission of the prophet of Islam;

[size=13pt]
Surah 72:21: Say, “I possess no
power to harm you, nor to guide
you.” (Khalifa)

another translation:

“It is not in my power to cause you
harm, or to bring you to the Right
Path.” (Hilali-Khan) [/size]


Do you really understand the gravity of
Muhammad’s statement when he said,

“I possess no power to guide you” or “to
bring you to the Right Path”? Is it not a
prophet’s duty to guide the congregation of God to the “Right Path”? Can you now depend on this man to guide you to salvation? Would it be wise for you to do so?

Why then is he making promises and claiming he is a prophet if he can't guide people rightly.

As a Christian reading quran passages is very tough, there are a lot of threats to non muslims, approval to take sex slaves, beat women, rambles and rants and commands to fight people. You can see its a pack of lies but muslims don't see it that way and we must wake them up.
LOL grin Hope you get customers after you convince them that you are not an idol worshipper (worshiping a creature) ..I wish you could explain to us who d bible Mary worshipped, did she worship her own son whom she gave birth to and gave breast milk to Or the god of Jesus? Christianity = Idolatry tongue

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Demmzy15(m): 11:30pm On Sep 03, 2015
This girl, what do you gain in being dumb? Why do this?
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 11:32pm On Sep 03, 2015
undecided
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Demmzy15(m): 11:42pm On Sep 03, 2015
lexiconkabir:
I have refuted the lie, pls check up(2posts up)
Very short and precise! Lemme see what she'll say now! angry

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by maverickboy: 11:54pm On Sep 03, 2015
#Parisweedaddictcheesy (NB) Smokers are liable to brain degradation! The earlire u know, the more ur chances of recovery...

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by proo212(m): 12:42am On Sep 04, 2015
Sahih International
Then, surely it is We who are most knowing of those most worthy of burning therein.
Sahih International
And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.
Sahih International
Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees.

Muhsin Khan
Then, verily, We know best those who are most worthy of being burnt therein.
Muhsin Khan
There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell); this is with your Lord; a Decree which must be accomplished.
Muhsin Khan
Then We shall save those who use to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And We shall leave the Zalimun (polytheists and wrongdoers, etc.) therein (humbled) to their knees (in Hell).

Pickthall
And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.
Pickthall
There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.
Pickthall
Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.

Yusuf Ali
And certainly We know best those who are most worthy of being burned therein.
Yusuf Ali
Not one of you but will pass over it: this is, with thy Lord, a Decree which must be accomplished.
Yusuf Ali
But We shall save those who guarded against evil, and We shall leave the wrong-doers therein, (humbled) to their knees.

Shakir
Again We do certainly know best those who deserve most to be burned therein.
Shakir
And there is not one of you but shall come to it; this is an unavoidable decree of your Lord.
Shakir
And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil), and We will leave the unjust therein on their knees.

Dr. Ghali
Thereafter indeed We know best the ones most deserving to roast constantly therein.
Dr. Ghali
And decidedly not one of you (there is), except that he will go (herded) down to it; that, for your Lord, has been a thing decreed, a must.
Dr. Ghali
Thereafter We will safely deliver the ones who were pious and leave behind the unjust (ones), (abjectly) kneeling.

Tafsir Al-Jalalayn
70
Then indeed We shall know best those most deserving of it, most worthy of [being in] Hell, the most hardened of them and others [like them], for the burning, for the admission [into it] and the scorching [therein], and We shall start with them ([siliyyan is] originally [formed as] salawiyyun, from [the verb] saliya or salaya).
71
There is not one of you but shall come to it, that is, [but] shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability [already] decreed by your Lord, [something which] He made inevitable and [which] He decreed; He will not waive it.
72
Then We will deliver (read nunajjī or nunjī) those who were wary, of [committing] idolatry or disbelief, [We will deliver them] from it, and leave those who did wrong, by way of idolatry and disbelief, crouching therein, on their knees.

Tafsir Ibn Kathir
Ibn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah's statement,
(There is not one of you but will pass over it.) "The bridge over Hell is like the sharp edge of a sword. The first group to cross it will pass like a flash of lightning. The second group will pass like the wind. The third group will pass like the fastest horse. The fourth group will pass like the fastest cow. Then, the rest will pass while the angels will be saying, `O Allah save them, save them.' '' This narration has supporting narrations similar to it from the Prophet in the Two Sahihs and other collections as well. These narrations have been related by Anas, Abu Sa`id, Abu Hurayrah, Jabir and other Companions, may Allah be pleased with them all. Ahmad also recorded that Umm Mubashshar, the wife of Zayd bin Harithah, said, "The Messenger of Allah was in the house of Hafsah when he said,
(No one who was present at the battles of Badr and Hudaybiyyah (of the Muslims) will enter into the Hellfire.) Then, Hafsah said, "Doesn't Allah say,
(There is not one of you but will pass over it (Hell)) The Messenger of Allah replied by reciting,
(Then We shall save those who had Taqwa.) In the Two Sahihs there is a Hadith reported from Az-Zuhri, from Sa`id from Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of Allah said,
(No one of the Muslims who has had three children, who all died, will be touched by the Hellfire, except for an oath that must be fulfilled.) `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam commented on Allah's statement,
(There is not one of you but will pass over it) "The passing of the Muslims (over the Hellfire) means their passing over a bridge that is over it. But the passing of the idolators over the Hellfire refers to their admission to the Fire.'' As-Suddi reported from Murrah, from Ibn Mas`ud, that he said concerning Allah's statement,
(this is with your Lord; a Hatman decree.) "An oath that must be fulfilled.'' Mujahid said, "Hatman means preordainment.'' Ibn Jurayj said the same. Concerning Allah's statement,
(Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. ) When all of the creatures passed over the Hellfire, and those disbelievers and the disobedient people who are destined to fall into it because of their disobedience, Allah will save the believers and the righteous people from it because of their deeds. Therefore, their passing over the bridge and their speed will be based upon their deeds that they did in this life. Then, the believers who performed major sins will be allowed intercession. This doesn't add up

The angels, the Prophets and the believers will all intercede. Thus, a large number of the sinners will be allowed to come out of Hell. The fire will have devoured much of their bodies, except the places of prostration on their faces. So muslims will be in Hell before passing over the bridge!!!

Their removal from the Hellfire will be due to the faith in their hearts. Means they will be in it The first to come out will be he who has the weight of a Dinar of faith in his heart. Then, whoever has the next least amount after him. Then, whoever is next to that after him, and so forth. This will continue until the one who has the tiniest hint of faith in his heart, equal to the weight of an atom. Then, Allah will take out of the Fire whoever said "La ilaha illallah,'' even one day of his entire life, even if he never performed any good deed. After this, no one will remain in the Hellfire, except those it is obligatory upon to remain in the Hellfire forever. This means they will be in it before they are taken out of it!!! This has been reported in many authentic Hadiths from the Messenger of Allah . This is why Allah says,
(Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. And We shall leave the wrongdoers in it, Jithyya.)

Guys, why are we playing words (translation)? Even your scholars concur that muslims will be in Hell until they are saved.

You dont need to refute my, you should ask Al-Jalalayn and Ibn Kathir (who are native Arabic speakers by the way to explain better.

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 5:35am On Sep 04, 2015
proo212:
















Guys, why are we playing words (translation)? Even your scholars concur that muslims will be in Hell until they are saved.

You dont need to refute my, you should ask Al-Jalalayn and Ibn Kathir (who are native Arabic speakers by the way to explain better.
that is the main problem that caused misconception in christianity, allowing the so called "native speakers" of greek/hebrews to translate the bible for you. i gave you the wordings that meant "but pass over it(hell)" and even gave other verses to make that verse 71 more meaningful, anyway, i translated everything myself, and i think yusuf ali's translation is similar to mine! and out of your blind copying and pasting you gave ibn kathir commentary(his translation is also similar to mine), where in his commentary did he say ALL muslims will be the ones to burn in hell?

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 6:08am On Sep 04, 2015
@proo212, let me summarise ibn kathir comments for you; "but pass over it(hell)" means the path to heaven will be so narrow that only the true believers will pass over it, the next verse now makes us to understand that; those who were believers but commited majors sins that outweighed their good deeds, will burn because of the narrowness of the path(the major sins will slow them down) but later will be saved because they believed in Allah, just that they commited major sins that OUTWEIGHED their good deeds, which needs temporary punishments(Allah is ever just, and that is the reality). after these, then the polytheists(trinitarians inclusive) will burn without any intercessor! ibn kathir never said all muslims must enter hell first, then will be saved as you and your cohorts are falsely claiming. i still recommend you carefully peruse ibn kathir's comment which you gave, and you will grasp what i'm saying and as such wont accuse me of making things up.
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Rilwon: 6:20am On Sep 04, 2015
Recycled trash. This useless thread had been debunked times without number..

Do you want link?

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 6:23am On Sep 04, 2015
Rilwon:
Recycled trash. This useless thread has been debunked times without number..

Do you want link?
subhanallah! really? pls give us the link, to save me the stress. though i have debunked it here also with a short and precise refutal, only that it is too hard for these people to stomach!
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Rilwon: 6:27am On Sep 04, 2015
lexiconkabir:
subhanallah! really? pls give us the link, to save me the stress. though i have debunked it here also with a short and precise refutal, only that it is too hard for these people to stomach!

https://www.nairaland.com/2314493/why-muslims-not-afraid-death

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 6:28am On Sep 04, 2015

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by guynupe(m): 10:07am On Sep 04, 2015
pneumaticos:

U christian or muslim
If muslim...ur second name is mumunatu
and if am a christian?
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by CivilzedTyger(m): 11:41am On Sep 04, 2015
Op May God Humilliate U 4 Dis...
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by jcross19: 1:46pm On Sep 04, 2015
CivilzedTyger:
Op May God Humilliate U 4 Dis...
which one is that God or allah because if you are talking about allah , I have been urinating on allah since 6ad. Ahahah toothless allah.
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by jcross19: 1:52pm On Sep 04, 2015
lexiconkabir:
@proo212, let me summarise ibn kathir comments for you; "but pass over it(hell)" means the path to heaven will be so narrow that only the true believers will pass over it, the next verse now makes us to understand that; those who were believers but commited majors sins that outweighed their good deeds, will burn because of the narrowness of the path(the major sins will slow them down) but later will be saved because they believed in Allah, just that they commited major sins that OUTWEIGHED their good deeds, which needs temporary punishments(Allah is ever just, and that is the reality). after these, then the polytheists(trinitarians inclusive) will burn without any intercessor! ibn kathir never said all muslims must enter hell first, then will be saved as you and your cohorts are falsely claiming. i still recommend you carefully peruse ibn kathir's comment which you gave, and you will grasp what i'm saying and as such wont accuse me of making things up.
do you know why mohmMAD informed you about the hell in the first place is because eventually if you end up like this straight forward in hell , then you will be expecting mohamMAD to come and saves you there but the surprise will be that mohmMAD will be on his kneel with heavy iron on his head ahahahhah. Change before is too late.
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 2:05pm On Sep 04, 2015
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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by jcross19: 3:06pm On Sep 04, 2015
lexiconkabir:
how come we have many goats here that refuse to learn their lessons?
who be goat? You or mohamMAD.

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 3:31pm On Sep 04, 2015
jcross19:
who be goat?.
you quoting me again without saying anything reasonable shows you are goat, infact a very old one at that, with very long beards! grin grin
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Princewell2012(m): 3:38pm On Sep 04, 2015
@OP, Why are you miss interpreting the quaran? why dont you look for a moslem scholar to help you, or what did you intent to gain in doing these.?


Now in case you want to learn, The opposite of heaven is hell.

The opposite of life is dead.


When man ate the forbidden fruit, man died automatically.

God can never lie.
HE told Adam any day you eat of that fruit you will surely die.
But the devil received him that he will not die.

Man is living yet man is dead, another name for dead is hell. even if man live for 1000 years man is still dead. any man born of woman is dead, This spirit of man will go to a place called hell. which means land of for dead. weather you are righteous or wicked you will surely visit there.




Thank God for the second Adam that redeemed us back to live. These live is the same the as heaven. PLS check my thread.
The difference between hell and hell fire for a better clarification.
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by jcross19: 4:04pm On Sep 04, 2015
lexiconkabir:
you quoting me again without saying anything reasonable shows you are goat, infact a very old one at that, with very long beards! grin grin
we don't keep beards in my church so you are the one that's a e- goat with dirty beard like mohamMAD.

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Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 4:17pm On Sep 04, 2015
jcross19:
we don't keep beards in my church so you are the one that's a e- goat with dirty beard like mohamMAD.
another reason why i said you are goat, goats are annoying and very stubborn. you are exhibiting that very act!
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by jcross19: 4:26pm On Sep 04, 2015
lexiconkabir:
another reason why i said you are goat, goats are annoying and very stubborn. you are exhibiting that very act!
ahahhahah that's the reason you are zombie.
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by Nobody: 4:31pm On Sep 04, 2015
jcross19:
ahahhahah that's the reason i am zombie.
thank God you know.
Re: This Religion Promises Its Followers Hell. by proo212(m): 4:59pm On Sep 04, 2015
@Lexiconkabir, you still havent clarified this verses and the tafsirs

(No one of the Muslims who has had three children, who all died, will be touched by the Hellfire, except for an oath that must be fulfilled.) `Abdur-Rahman bin Zayd bin Aslam commented on Allah's statement,

Are we saying if a muslim has no children, 1 child or 2 children, he will go to hell?

(There is not one of you but will pass over it) "The passing of the Muslims (over the Hellfire) means their passing over a bridge that is over it. But the passing of the idolators over the Hellfire refers to their admission to the Fire.'' As-Suddi reported from Murrah, from Ibn Mas`ud, that he said concerning Allah's statement,
(this is with your Lord; a Hatman decree.) "An oath that must be fulfilled.'' Mujahid said, "Hatman means preordainment.'' Ibn Jurayj said the same. Concerning Allah's statement,
(Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. ) When all of the creatures passed over the Hellfire, and those disbelievers and the disobedient people who are destined to fall into it because of their disobedience, Allah will save the believers and the righteous people from it because of their deeds. Therefore, their passing over the bridge and their speed will be based upon their deeds that they did in this life. Then, the believers who performed major sins will be allowed intercession.


Where are these people saved from? Where were they before they are saved? Please explain

The angels, the Prophets and the believers will all intercede. Thus, a large number of the sinners will be allowed to come out of Hell. The fire will have devoured much of their bodies, except the places of prostration on their faces.

So, some will be in hell then if the fire has devoured much of their bodies except signs of prostration

Why are the angels and believers interceding? Why will some come out of hell after intercession? Will you be one of those interceding or will you be one of those who will come out hell after intercession? Please clarify

Their removal from the Hellfire will be due to the faith in their hearts. The first to come out will be he who has the weight of a Dinar of faith in his heart. Then, whoever has the next least amount after him. Then, whoever is next to that after him, and so forth. This will continue until the one who has the tiniest hint of faith in his heart, equal to the weight of an atom. Then, Allah will take out of the Fire whoever said "La ilaha illallah,'' even one day of his entire life, even if he never performed any good deed. After this, no one will remain in the Hellfire, except those it is obligatory upon to remain in the Hellfire forever.

This means they will be in it before they are taken out of it!!!

This has been reported in many authentic Hadiths from the Messenger of Allah . This is why Allah says,
(Then We shall save those who had Taqwa. And We shall leave the wrongdoers in it, Jithyya.)

This is your most trusted tafsir. If Ibn Kathir says they will be saved from it and like I explained before, he is a native Arabic speaker, you’re only deceiving yourself with the excuse of translation.

Another thing, what then do you make of these hadiths?

Sahih Muslim Book 037, Hadith Number 6665.
Chapter : Throwing of non-believers in hell-fire for believers as Divine Grace and Mercy.

Abu Musa' reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: When it will be the Day of Resurrection Allah would deliver to every Muslim a Jew or a Christian and say: That is your rescue from Hell-Fire.

Sahih Muslim Book 037, Hadith Number 6666.
Chapter : Throwing of non-believers in hell-fire for believers as Divine Grace and Mercy.

Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: No Muslim would die but Allah would admit in his stead a Jew or a Christian in Hell-Fire. 'Umar b. Abd al-'Aziz took an oath: By One besides Whom there is no god but He, thrice that his father had narrated that to him from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him).

Sahih Muslim Book 037, Hadith Number 6668.
Chapter : Throwing of non-believers in hell-fire for believers as Divine Grace and Mercy.

Abu Burda reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with as heavy sins as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them and He would place in their stead the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to 'Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him)? I said: Yes.


So which is it?
Will Allah just have mercy and replace a muslim with a jew or Christian in hell or will he just have mercy because of the faith in the hearts of the muslims or because they said La ilaha illallah once in their life?

Please explain

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