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Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by ebenice(m): 7:25pm On Sep 30, 2015
hello my good friends ....please i'll like you guys to attend to my little test.

1..At what point do you start doubting Gods existence?

2...do you think..logic alone is enough to explain everything ?( creation, order, lawfulness etc)

3....can you ascertain proofs for your claims without dragging religion with you?

4....i know all humans should be,...but in your solitude are you scared/afraid of dying?....(from your atheistic point of view though.....do u nurse thoughts of fear for the unknown?....be honest)

5....can you explain how dreams come about.....since u dont believe in outa realms...spirituality...life after death etc

6....if atheist have role models....do you think you could in any way separate your role models success from his beliefs (in GOD or other super powers) and wouldn't get a vacuum/ flaw?

7....i once watch a cartoon name "boonducks" .....where a character said....."the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence".... don't you think your claims are more of "denial" than actual facts"?

7....what if....there was a GOD in the end.....what will you lose?

i'll like to leave you with these for now....thanks as you attend to them

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Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by Ezerbullet(m): 7:34pm On Sep 30, 2015
okay #waiting for comments
Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by Nobody: 9:07pm On Sep 30, 2015
ebenice:

1..At what point do you start doubting Gods existence?
My disbelief in religion didn't being with doubting God's existence. It can began when I decided to balance my spirituality with a bit of rationality. Exposure to other cultures and other religious believers also aided this in no little way. I started to doubt Hell/Heaven, the efficacy of prayers etc. I tried to be cautious, but curiosity got the better of me. Funny, my desire to know 'God' more led me the opposite way.

ebenice:

2...do you think..logic alone is enough to explain everything ?( creation, order, lawfulness etc)
Not logic but Knowledge. The more we know, the better we understand, the better our logic and sense of reasoning. God is just a placeholder for man's ignorance, for what we are yet to know. The definition and responsibilities of GOD will only get narrower as man grows in knowledge.

ebenice:

can you ascertain proofs for your claims without dragging religion with you?
It depends on what you define as God. As to whether the universe required a Creator, I have no 'verifiable' proof for or against.

ebenice:

i know all humans should be,...but in your solitude are you scared/afraid of dying?....(from your atheistic point of view though.....do u nurse thoughts of fear for the unknown?....be honest)
No. I don't fear death. We will all die. More concerned with making the best I can of this life.

ebenice:

can you explain how dreams come about.....since u dont believe in outa realms...spirituality...life after death etc
This question has no bearing on atheism or theism. You'd do better to ask a neurologist or google. I'll ignore this and let you seek your answers elsewhere.

what if....there was a GOD in the end.....what will you lose?
- After death, what is left to be lost? MY life? cheesy

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Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by johnydon22(m): 9:29pm On Sep 30, 2015
ebenice:
hello my good friends ....please i'll like you guys to attend to my little test.
1..At what point do you start doubting Gods existence?
At that point when you realize there is nothing to suggest it is anymore than just wishful thinking.


2...do you think..logic alone is enough to explain everything ?( creation, order, lawfulness etc)
Systematic deductions, consistent logic, scrutiny of available datas explain what there is to explain doesn't necessarily need explain everything.

Lack of explanation rather is not to be filled with unfounded assumptions.



3....can you ascertain proofs for your claims without dragging religion with you?
Proof of what? the existence of a god?

The onus is on the claimant of such ideas to prove there is..


4....i know all humans should be,...but in your solitude are you scared/afraid of dying?....(from your atheistic point of view though.....do u nurse thoughts of fear for the unknown?....be honest)
In all honesty Nope.

I wasn't in existence before i was born how then should i delude myself with a selfish wishful thinking of being in existence after i loose this life. . .

I am honest enough with myself not to be banking on selfish fantasies of afterlife and deciding to live this one chance at life that i have and partaking in it's glories and fails.

To make the chance i have count rather than sheepishly delude myself with a wishful hope of another life found only in the pages of a book.


5....can you explain how dreams come about.....since u dont believe in outa realms...spirituality...life after death etc
Seriously the questions you guys ask some times makes me me wonder if you all check something before asking it.

Dreams? Dreams are illusionary projection of the brain consciously or subconsciously the brain is the seat of perception and illusion and so tend to maneuver this projections from our wealth of perception..


6....if atheist have role models....do you think you could in any way separate your role models success from his beliefs (in GOD or other super powers) and wouldn't get a vacuum/ flaw?
This question is as good as useless. . . What ever humans achieve is their doing and their failures is their responsibility. . why would i give credit for human achievements to an abstract concept that is no where to be found..

No i give humans mankind credit for their achievements


7....i once watch a cartoon name "boonducks" .....where a character said....."the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence".... don't you think your claims are more of "denial" than actual facts"?

The bolded is correct but yet again why postulate something that should be believed against evidence?

Since one agrees to the lack of evidence it is either that assertion is an assumption or a hypothetical postulation . . It can only take dishonesty to clutch on to hypothesis or assumption as truth. .

Such dishonesty is what i lack in the premise of the assertion of Gods without evidence. .
Until it is proven there is no need to hold on to stoic conviction that a hypothesis or an assumption is true. . . such dishonesty is something i wouldn't know what it should feel like again.


7....what if....there was a GOD in the end.....what will you lose?
This question leans towards Pascal wager. Also you as a believer of one God remember there are thousands of God concepts.

So chance of picking the right God is 1% : 99%. so you are 99% vulnerable of being wrong which is just 1% of odd different from an atheistic individual.

If there are Gods and they operate within the egoistic and childish level of clamoring for belief then there is no need call them Gods.


i'll like to leave you with these for now....thanks as you attend to them
[b]Now it is my own turn to ask you just few questions.


(1)What if at the end you ended up picking and believing the wrong God out of thousands of the claims?

(2)Do you honestly believe it is ok to believe something without evidence just because you feel the need to believe it or do you think it is better to approach problems with a systematic approach of careful study and scrutiny of available datas to reach a reasonable approximation?

(3)Since you believe a God even though you agree to the fact that it lacks evidential back up (meaning you recognize it's tendency of being mere assumption) since deducting from your post you tend to lean towards belief in a God because you fear the unknown or want to avert what it might do to you (if such beings are belief mongering) do you honestly think you can deceive such being by clutching to the belief not because you find it worthy to be believed but because you want to avert what it might do to you.


(4)Why is it that for something existential as the sun none of us needs faith but the existence of a deity is meant to be clutched on to by faith?


(5)You would agree with me that an all knowing God who needs my belief knows exactly what it takes to convince me, an all powerful God can do that and an all loving God would want to.... so why is it not doing it?

why does it need humans to plead it's case for it and make claims for it. . i don't need you to tell me a star exists i wonder why it is not disturbing enough that a deity relies on humans to assert it exists.


(6)If there is a God do you honestly believe it would have me believe sheepishly with a blind faith a premise where there is lack of evidence or would it rather have me rely on my reason and intellect which going by definition it allegedly gave me?


Thanks for your answers in advance.. [/b]

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Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by Nobody: 10:17pm On Sep 30, 2015
ebenice:
hello my good friends ....please i'll like you guys to attend to my little test.

1..At what point do you start doubting Gods existence?

2...do you think..logic alone is enough to explain everything ?( creation, order, lawfulness etc)

3....can you ascertain proofs for your claims without dragging religion with you?

4....i know all humans should be,...but in your solitude are you scared/afraid of dying?....(from your atheistic point of view though.....do u nurse thoughts of fear for the unknown?....be honest)

5....can you explain how dreams come about.....since u dont believe in outa realms...spirituality...life after death etc

6....if atheist have role models....do you think you could in any way separate your role models success from his beliefs (in GOD or other super powers) and wouldn't get a vacuum/ flaw?

7....i once watch a cartoon name "boonducks" .....where a character said....."the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence".... don't you think your claims are more of "denial" than actual facts"?

7....what if....there was a GOD in the end.....what will you lose?

i'll like to leave you with these for now....thanks as you attend to them

Go to bed drunkard

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Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by Nobody: 12:24am On Oct 01, 2015

1..At what point do you start doubting Gods existence?
never doubted the existence of God, God is a universal theme, an experience, a state, God is not a Christian by product. I see God in every thing, every believe, every religion and i experience him. It takes a level of attainment to under that, the three attributes of God is Omnipotent , Omniscient and Omnipresent "universal" not to one, he can not be tied down to one religion, believe, race, people etc.


2...do you think..logic alone is enough to explain everything ?( creation, order, lawfulness etc)

Am theist, no logic along can get you anywhere. A clinging to logic is born out of mans insecurity, and need for consolation. Faith is not an act if blindness but of choice.


3....can you ascertain proofs for your claims without dragging religion with you?

You need a subject to begin with, a base to draw conclusion and comparism, without religion atheisism is baseless. So no.


4....i know all humans should be,...but in your solitude are you scared/afraid of dying?....(from your atheistic point of view though.....do u nurse thoughts of fear for the unknown?....be honest)

Its called the unknown for a reason, as children we all fear the dark, but as adult logic keeps us sane, reason and experience shows us that theres nothing to fear in the dark, of the unknown. That is the root of atheisism facts, experience, logic.

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5....can you explain how dreams come about.....since u dont believe in outa realms...spirituality...life after death etc
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Too long to discuss


6....if atheist have role models....do you think you could in any way separate your role models success from his beliefs (in GOD or other super powers) and wouldn't get a vacuum/ flaw?

Not really

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7....i once watch a cartoon name "boonducks" .....where a character said....."the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence".... don't you think your claims are more of "denial" than actual facts"?

7....what if....there was a GOD in the end.....what will you lose?


i'll like to leave you with these for now....thanks as you attend to them
Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by Nobody: 2:21am On Oct 01, 2015
ebenice:
hello my good friends ....please i'll like you guys to attend to my little test.

1..At what point do you start doubting Gods existence?

At the point i realised i'v bn fooled
2...do you think..logic alone is enough to explain everything ?( creation, order, lawfulness etc)

What else would make you see yu are on the wrong path if not logical explanations!!

3....can you ascertain proofs for your claims without dragging religion with you?

What other proof do i have against something i'v nt seen. Believe with your eyes not with your ears

4....i know all humans should be,...but in your solitude are you scared/afraid of dying?....(from your atheistic point of view though.....do u nurse thoughts of fear for the unknown?....be honest)

There is a story of a religious woman once told, a septuagenarian. She excaped death in a motor accident, and she went to her church to gv testomony on how god saved her from the grip of death. You serve a living god and yu are still scared of death evn at yur old age? These people can be so funny at times

Now to your question, i'v sn so many people die, so obviously death is inevitable(my bliv as at wen typing, it may change d nxt minute). I AM NOT AFRAID OF DEATH!!

5....can you explain how dreams come about.....since u dont believe in outa realms...spirituality...life after death etc

Dreams have nothing to do with what you bliv. Its jes one of the activities of the brain

6....if atheist have role models....do you think you could in any way separate your role models success from his beliefs (in GOD or other super powers) and wouldn't get a vacuum/ flaw?


I don't have any role model
7....i once watch a cartoon name "boonducks" .....where a character said....."the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence".... don't you think your claims are more of "denial" than actual facts"?

The cartoon you watched was produced by someone and i guess the script was also written. People say things base on there own believe and research

7....what if....there was a GOD in the end.....what will you lose?

Lets wait till it ends


MY BRODA, WAKE UP FROM YOUR SLUMBER AND STOP BEING FOOLED
i'll like to leave you with these for now....thanks as you attend to them
Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by ebenice(m): 4:16pm On Oct 04, 2015
@johnydon22 ...
sorry for replying late ..I. was having issues with my keyboard...

I admire the skill and approach in which u put your defences..kudos! but I ain't moved though ..

now to your questions
1...if my God was the real one ? ..yes!...or you expected me to say NO? ...well, the Bible God is not one that has eyes and can't see nor have ears and can't hear...He is real and alive...and reign supreme ...of course there may be other entities claiming the same theme..but the bible God whom I serve has not fail me yet ..neither has any other God's contends with Him and won yet...so until then...I owe my loyalty to YAHWEH

2...your view of believing something out of assertions Is not what it really is....i believed if a human can't see at least he could talk, hear or feel ....other sénses then come to play..if I can't see God atleasst I can see His attributes, I can also feel Him and talk to Him in prayers..if u say just because I can't see God Its now enough reason to now dispute His existence then thats an understatement...supposing u were giving an assignment in school to be done as home work...of which u did but forget to bring it the next day to school...now just because u couldn't provide the solution doesn't mean u didn't do it... the teacher may beats u for it in the name of you didn't do it or that you are lying because u don't have proof..but you sure knew you did...I hope u get it..

3....believing in God doesn't stop at gaining a reward or escaping punishments, as those who profess to love God must serve Him in truth and in spirit out of reverence not out of fear..fear is not what it is but what it seem.... when God say dont fornicate and u do...u may contact HIV, or begat unwanted pregnancy ...which may lead to further evil like abortion...hence, as it is a Law so is it as an advice for your own good....when police say don't cross a line and you do....then expect to face the consequences...just because u didn't see God doesn't mean He doesn't exist

4...humans always have there own way of reasoning they always seek after signs and material evidence b4 they can believe anything...your spouse/girl friend/boyfriend needs material evidence...such like frequent calls, gifts, your time etc for her to believe you care or truly love her..but that didn't mean you really do or you don't if u didn't do those things.. my God is not a material thing, nor an object maybe that's your view of what it should be b4 u can believe but..those who serve God do so in spirit and in truth..meaning it doesn't depend on sight...but He knew there would always be skeptics who will want proof so He gave us the gift of healing, Speaking in tongues, righteousness, revelations,dreams, prophecies etc...My God is the God of the bible..He is incomparable

5...have you come across a novel called "the gods are not to blame"?..well that's a story for another day ...But my God doesn't force people He gave all free will.i.e..do as u please....He gave us options between good and evil ....its ur choice to make..I decided to follow Jesus because I was convince He is the way, and the truth ... and i've since be happy and blessed..of which I'm also asking to do...but I can't force you just as my God didn't force me...I only saw the light..we are the architect of our own life ..we may choose to invite God to help us or neglect Him and do as we please...and let the end justify the means

6....it is not just a premise on blind faith it is the truth that mere human logic can't explain... humans are always wise in their own ways..but that didnt mean we are always right..God created humans in a distinctive and special way..even the bible attest to it..and as u can see we are more high in class and structure compared to other mammals..our senses outclass theirs..God must have a reason for creating us so...why haven't you question why u are different from other mammals but question why there is a God?..

lemme ask u these in respect to 6 above
why do we, humans use our mouth to talk audibly and effectively(speech) and other mammals could not?..here Is the thing God is more interested in humans than other mammals that is why He made us different..if acknowledging that fact and worshiping Him is too much to ask of ..then I count atheist to be ingrates ..
GOD IS REAL...seek Him and you'll find Him
Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by Nobody: 9:16pm On Oct 05, 2015
sonOfLucifer:


what if....there was a GOD in the end.....what will you lose?
- After death, what is left to be lost? MY life? cheesy

Do you have a life or are you it?
Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by Nobody: 9:22pm On Oct 05, 2015
Mindfulness:


Do you have a life or are you it?
I'm alive. I will die.
Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by Nobody: 3:20pm On Oct 07, 2015
sonOfLucifer:

I'm alive. I will die.

I am alive, I am a life, I am the life. Can you lose something that you are? Do you have a life? Are you life?
Re: Atheists! What Saith Thou To This by ebenice(m): 6:13pm On Oct 15, 2015
ifeness:

Go to bed drunkard
I Don't just know what to make of you..bro

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