“Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.” — Emperor Palpatine, The Return of the Jedi

Jon Stewart made great comedic hay during the Bush Administration out of the enormity of Dick Cheney’s “Sith Lord” malevolence. Events in Iraq in the past week have made especially palpable Cheney’s Palpatine-like quality.

As Iraq unravels, you may suspect that Cheney might now be, along with his fellow Iraq War architects, wringing his hands over how President Obama ruined what still could have been a splendid little nation-building project. Yet, as radio host Scott Horton indicated recently, he is more likely looking on at the debacle, along with those who opposed both him and the war all along, as the arrival of the inevitable.

In the first Bush Administration, Cheney was Secretary of Defense, and helped plan the first invasion of Iraq during the Persian Gulf War. In that war, he agreed with the decision not go all the way and overthrow the dictator of Iraq, Saddam Hussein. This was extremely frustrating for the neocons, who were baying for Baghdad blood even then.

In a 1994 interview, Cheney was taken to task over this “missed opportunity” by the neocon American Enterprise Institute. Cheney defended the decision using the following predictions:

[size=20pt]“Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein’s government, then what are you going to put in its place? That’s a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off: part of it, the Syrians would like to have to the west, part of it  — eastern Iraq  —  the Iranians would like to claim, they fought over it for eight years. In the north you’ve got the Kurds, and if the Kurds spin loose and join with the Kurds in Turkey, then you threaten the territorial integrity of Turkey.” [/size]

Let’s look at the events of this past week, and see how clear Cheney’s crystal ball was.

Cheney predicted Syrians taking over western Iraq. Western Iraq, including oil-rich Mosul (the second-largest city in the country), has indeed been taken over by a force entering from Syria: namely, ISIS (the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria), an Al Qaeda splinter group (and beneficiary of American military aid to the rebel forces in the Syrian civil war).

True, it’s not the Syrian state, and only partially consists of Syrian people. But he got the geography right, and the demographics partially right.

Cheney predicted the Iranians taking eastern Iraq. The U.S. war that overthrew Saddam’s Sunni Muslim regime put the government and the capital in the east, Baghdad, into the hands of a Shi’ite regime allied with Shi’ite Iran, who backed the election of the current prime minister.

And now Iran has actually deployed troops to combat ISIS into Iraq from the east. With the U.S. ground presence already mostly gone, and now rapidly evacuating, and Iraqi government soldiers stripping off their uniforms and abandoning their U.S.-supplied weapons to ISIS at the first sight of them, the Iranian troops are becoming the only serious ground force in the east.

Finally, Cheney predicted the Kurds spinning loose and being a threat in the north. The Kurds have indeed become autonomous, and recently seized the northern city of Kirkuk for themselves, after it was abandoned by Iraqi government forces fleeing the oncoming ISIS forces.

Check. That’s 3 for 3.

If Cheney knew a decade before the war, that overthrowing Saddam would never make Iraq an intact, independent “beacon of democracy” in the Middle East, why did he push for it so hard in 2003 anyway? It is interesting that, at the time of the interview, he wasn’t yet CEO of the oil field company and military contractor Halliburton; that tenure would start the following year, in 1995. But Juan Cole argued in 2004 that that’s not quite it.

What was in it for Cheney? I don’t think it was a matter of money. At least I hope it wasn’t. Cheney sold half his Halliburton stock options in 2000 for $5 million, and it is hard to imagine a man taking his country to war to increase the other half in value by a few million.

I suspect it is political. Not all corporations make money on war. Some actually lose money. But Halliburton, Bechtel and a few other components of the military industrial complex do benefit from war.

Strengthening that sector of the American economy strengthens the political Right. Turning the republic into a praetorian state would permanently yield profits for the military industrial complex in such a way as to create a permanent Republican dominance of all the branches of the U.S. government.

In any case, what is clear is that the old “stupid or evil” question regarding our overlords in Washington is easy to answer in the case of Richard Bruce Cheney. What is particularly evil, is that he also had a keen sense of the high cost in American lives (not to mention Iraqi lives) that overthrowing Saddam would entail and the quagmire that would result from occupying Iraq.

It’s a quagmire if you go that far and try to take over Iraq. The other thing was casualties. Everyone was impressed with the fact we were able to do our job with as few casualties as we had. But for the 146 Americans killed in action, and for their families  — it wasn’t a cheap war.

And the question for the president, in terms of whether or not we went on to Baghdad, took additional casualties in an effort to get Saddam Hussein, was how many additional dead Americans is Saddam worth? Our judgment was, not very many, and I think we got it right.

And now, thanks to his change of “judgment,” 4,800 Americans and up to 500,000 Iraqis are dead, American resources valued at $2 trillion are squandered, Al Qaeda (which had absolutely no presence in Iraq prior to the invasion) effectively has an oil-rich state of its own bestriding Iraq and Syria, the successors of Al Qaeda in Iraq are romping all over the Middle East from Syria to Libya (often with U.S. support), Iraq is being rent asunder in a tug of literal war between neck-severing Sunni jihadists and Shi’ite death squads and torturers.

And now the Washington elite are moving toward resuming air strikes, which will probably kill more innocent men, women, and children than the jihadists and the death squads combined.

Like Cassandra in legendary Troy, Dick Cheney knew exactly what futility, disaster, and carnage would come from a war. And yet, like Agamemnon, he launched it anyway.

http://lfb.org/the-unraveling-of-iraq-is-playing-out-just-as-dick-cheney-predicted/

@omenka, @jomoh ,here it is. I have to make it a thread and save it for the archive .








Cc shym3x or shymexx/shymex

Those of you that find it hard to read something this long should focus on the part I have magnified or made bold cos the topic is sequel to a request these gentlemen.

Americas want to rule the world. that's it divide and rule.

I would like to follow this thread, and it is simply to see the number of our so called youths that will make meaningful comments. In fact, I'll be disappointed if they actually do make any comment at all, meaningful or not, since this isn't a thread to throw tantrums at one another about how bad our politicians are.

I guess they can even hardly be patient to read the whole lot talk less of understanding it.

By the way, most of this online noise makers were hardly around when the event being described here took place, so they can't really relate with it- particularly the US-Iraq war of 1994. I was in SSS1 then, and was well alive to what was going on around me. But I most confess that I never heard about Cheney way back then in 1994, not until 2003.

BALLOSKI:
@omenka, @jomoh ,here it is. I have to make it a thread and save it for the archive .








Cc shym3x or shymexx/shymex

Thanks bro

falcon01:
Americas want to rule the world. that's it divide and rule.

the americanos would eat you for this. they will call you a silly conspiracy theorist
but they forget George Bush snr. who called for the New World order years ago and what does NWO entails.
these americanos don't know anything at all

Volatility of Middle East..
Shites and Sunni's Division...
Arab World has never been United

Nothing points to the looming or imminent ww3 than this letter below.

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Albert Pike's 1871 Plan For The Three World Wars

In 1871 Albert Pike envisioned three World Wars to be followed by an unparalleled economic disaster. Pike's plans have come to fruition, shockingly 'on target'. Who is Pike and perhaps more importantly who backed Pike?

Albert Pike's letter to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871:

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."



"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."


[b]"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."[/b]

Wasn't D1ck Cheney part of the folks who took down Saddam Iraq?

So, what the hell is he saying? - act first and think later, classic US Foreign Policy.

He has lost his darn mind.

Obrigardo:


the americanos would eat you for this. they will call you a silly conspiracy theorist
but they forget George Bush snr. who called for the New World order years ago and what does NWO entails.
these americanos don't know anything at all

americans believe their government so much that they believe everything thrown at them by the government.


We heard the American government is 40 years ahead of the citizens.

Shymm3x:
Wasn't D1ck Cheney part of the folks who took down Saddam Iraq?

So, what the hell is he saying? - act first and think later, classic US Foreign Policy.

He has lost his darn mind.

he said the part in bold far back in 1994. So the article is about telling the grand plan they have in place to successively destroy Iraq and Syria for now, then Lebanon and this will be followed by the destruction of Iran.

The laid down plan for Libya , Sudan, Egypt , Somalia , Nigeria(maybe part of the plan too) etc , is paying off.

jomoh:


Thanks bro

you are welcome.

The events of 9/11 was what gave the Iraq war a favourable Amrican public opinion that Bush/Sheney could not resist.
Obama mismanaged the war by pulling out too early. His support for opposition against Syria's Assad is what led to the creation and bolstering of the dreaded ISIS.
Sometimes i wonder how a naiive community organizer with no experience in governance and no foreign policy credentials other than being a "superstar" could be made president of a strategic country like the US.

mbhs139:
I would like to follow this thread, and it is simply to see the number of our so called youths that will make meaningful comments. In fact, I'll be disappointed if they actually do make any comment at all, meaningful or not, since this isn't a thread to throw tantrums at one another about how bad our politicians are.

I guess they can even hardly be patient to read the whole lot talk less of understanding it.

By the way, most of this online noise makers were hardly around when the event being described here took place, so they can't really relate with it- particularly the US-Iraq war of 1994. I was in SSS1 then, and was well alive to what was going on around me. But I most confess that I never heard about Cheney way back then in 1994, not until 2003.

if you read about how Cheney grew influence via romsfed, you'd agree that Cheney is indeed the most powerful VP the world produced. Cheney grew from rank to rank, so it was easy for him to manipulate things around government. He practically called the shot.


Don't mind those kids and Americans wannabe, most of them don't even know who Cheney is not to even think of knowing what he said in 1994.

Iraq was destroyed the day Saddam was removed.


Libyans will regret the day they killed Ghaddafi because they want to thumb print.



The Arab world glorifies war and they are the testing ground for western made weapons

EdCure:
The events of 9/11 was what gave the Iraq war a favourable Amrican public opinion that Bush/Sheney could not resist.
Obama mismanaged the war by pulling out too early. His support for opposition against Syria's Assad is what led to the creation and bolstering of the dreaded ISIS.
Sometimes i wonder how a naiive community organizer with no experience in governance and no foreign policy credentials other than being a "superstar" could be made president of a strategic country like the US.

Obama used his oratory prowess or rhetorical or eloquent language to mask his weakness- that's what Americans wanted at that time and they got it.


How on earth can anyone contemplate arming a rebel group against a constituted authority or government? This gave birth to a more daring and monstrous group like ISIL.


Yeah, America is strategic, but very strategic in their mistakes.

ECOTERRORS:
Iraq was destroyed the day Saddam was removed.


Libyans will regret the day they killed Ghaddafi because they want to thumb print.



The Arab world glorifies war and they are the testing ground for western made weapons

if I check somethings and see how things played out in Arab world, especially Libya, I don't even wish those useless villagers called Libyans to have peace anytime soon.

BALLOSKI:
if I check somethings and see how things played out in Arab world, especially Libya, I don't even wish those useless villagers called Libyans to have peace anytime soon.

Like the Libyans Like the APC Change chanters

ECOTERRORS:
Like the Libyans Like the APC Change chanters

You don't know who are talking to.

BALLOSKI:
@omenk'a, @jom'oh ,here it is. I have to make it a thread and save it for the archive .








Cc shy'm3x or shyme'xx/shyme'x

Wow! Thanks...


Reading...

omenka:
Wow! Thanks...


Reading...

correct!!!

I share your sentiments, its given me a new line of thought about the war. The us pulled out too quickly and where not responsible enough to stabilise iraq and others, especially libya of late. Fine the war wasn't necessary in the 1st place but if the us and allied nations had stayed put, the change they promised would have been achieved for sure.
Russian presence in syria now poses a new dynamics to this war. I learnt they gave nato forces just one hour notice, then started pounding targets

EdCure:
The events of 9/11 was what gave the Iraq war a favourable Amrican public opinion that Bush/Sheney could not resist.
Obama mismanaged the war by pulling out too early. His support for opposition against Syria's Assad is what led to the creation and bolstering of the dreaded ISIS.
Sometimes i wonder how a naiive community organizer with no experience in governance and no foreign policy credentials other than being a "superstar" could be made president of a strategic country like the US.

BALLOSKI:
if you read about how Cheney grew influence via romsfed, you'd agree that Cheney is indeed the most powerful VP the world produced. Cheney grew from rank to rank, so it was easy for him to manipulate things around government. He practically called the shot.


Don't mind those kids and Americans wannabe, most of them don't even know who Cheney is not to even think of knowing what he said in 1994.

Talking about the bold part of your comment, agreed, but then I submit, though stand to be corrected, the invasion of Iraq in 2003, was for selfish reasons. Even though the original article stated otherwise, one still wonders why their claim for invading Iraq in the first place has not been backed up by evidence all this while. Cheney left more to be desired bro! These people have evil minds.

LordMecuzy:
Volatility of Middle East..

Shites and Sunni's Division...

Arab World has never been United

The bold part of your comment actually caught my attention and gat me thinking- in fact- pondering. In as much as I tried to disagree with that part, something in me kicks that I should not deny an obvious truth.

EdCure:
The events of 9/11 was what gave the Iraq war a favourable Amrican public opinion that Bush/Sheney could not resist.
Obama mismanaged the war by pulling out too early. His support for opposition against Syria's Assad is what led to the creation and bolstering of the dreaded ISIS.
Sometimes i wonder how a naiive community organizer with no experience in governance and no foreign policy credentials other than being a "superstar" could be made president of a strategic country like the US.

But that event was wrong in itself. It was a smoke screen, you know. Wouldn't know the truth or otherwise of the story but several reports and documentary have shown that the 9/11 attack was a covert operation by the American to enter Iraq. As a matter of fact, video footage that I have watched online showed that the WTC building was already charged with dynamites before the attack.

mbhs139:


Talking about the bold part of your comment, agreed, but then I submit, though stand to be corrected, the invasion of Iraq in 2003, was for selfish reasons. Even though the original article stated otherwise, one still wonders why their claim for invading Iraq in the first place has not been backed up by evidence all this while. Cheney left more to be desired bro! These people have evil minds.

this article is out to paint Cheney like the devil that he is. I have read a memo on him, I bet you, if u read, you won't see Cheney less than a devil.