Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / NewStats: 3,194,387 members, 7,954,563 topics. Date: Friday, 20 September 2024 at 10:22 PM |
Nairaland Forum / Nairaland / General / Politics / Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army (1103 Views)
The Notorious Boko Haram Kingpin Who Was Arrested Today By The Army..photos / Some Weapons Re-Captured From Boko Haram By The Army (Photo) / Crowd Welcome The Army & CJTF After Victory Against Boko Haram [Photos] (2) (3) (4)
Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by hulll: 4:56pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by ElRazur: 5:03pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
Feel sorry for her. But some would argue that women have no role in the military [Front line action]. I know for sure women are not allowed to join the Royal Marines. Also, this for me highlights the animals in everyone of us all. In a war environment, hormones runs high and all common sense especially when one haven't had sex for 6months or so will go out of the equation. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by tpiah: 5:04pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
doesnt mean women shouldnt be in the army, but the men should find some other ways of having sex besides rape. What is it with soldiers and rape anyway? These ones that are raping their female colleagues- imagine what they'd do to helpless civilians. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by tpiah: 5:05pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
ElRazur: female soldiers can actually be fiercer than the men. Its not for nothing that Ghadaffi has an elite all female bodyguard unit. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by ElRazur: 5:09pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
tpiah: Hmmm. I would think men are naturally more fiercer than ladies. It how nature have made us. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by debosky(m): 5:10pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
tpiah: Ghadaffi is a paranoid loon who abhors opposition of any form. I don't think the all female squad is simply down to feminine ferocity rather than fears of being compromised by corruptible men who want to usurp him. Taking nothing away from the women though, amazons and the like have been known to be deadly warriors. I don't believe women should be in the army if in this day and age such abuses continue. Either stamp out the abuses completely or take women out of these situations. 30% is a highly appalling figure. I am all for equality and women being able to serve their country, but if under these harsh conditions they are continuously threatened and endangered by their own, then I would object strongly to their participation. 1 Like |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by Hauwa1: 5:12pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by tpiah: 5:20pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
ElRazur: that's why female soldiers have to go the extra mile. Compare a female police officer to a male one. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by tpiah: 5:21pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
debosky: I dont think the rapists should go scot free. Rape is wrong even if its female soldiers involved. Prosecuting the rapist soldiers will send a message to others of like mind. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by ElRazur: 5:23pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
tpiah: I see your point, however going that extra mile do not mean they are readily more fiercer than men. What do you want me to compare? A female officer definitely looks well fit and sexier than a male officer in my eyes. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by ElRazur: 5:25pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
tpiah: There are certain unwritten rules of every organisation. Telling on your mates is one of them in the army. It would also be almost impossible to prove a rape took place assuming most of these men want a piece of her kitten anyway. A few soldiers got convicted for raping civilians though in the US army. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by debosky(m): 5:27pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
tpiah: I agree fully. Please don't mistake my opposition to females in the Army to mean I felt the offenders should not be punished. I just do not think that exposing them to harm continuously (even with prosecution) will be of benefit. The difficulties of prosecution and the general army culture against 'ratting' makes things even more complicated. Nevertheless - these women should be courageous to report these offenders and the authorities should prosecute. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by Nobody: 6:11pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
the armed forces have always had a cavalier attitude towards molesting women. remember tailhook? even worse is the fact that its not exactly better members of society that are inducted as recruits(i'm not referring to officers here. . not that they are much better, but the less than savory characters that make up the grunt class in armed forces across the world. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by bawomolo(m): 6:40pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
oyb: this is true considering the US has relaxed the requirements for joining the army thereby allowing gang bangers and the likes to get in. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by ElRazur: 6:43pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
bawomolo: One of the prices of fighting wars on several fronts. The army standards begins to drop, as the rules are re-written to allow more people eligible. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by 4Play(m): 6:52pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
oyb: This is a long discredited canard. The average US army recruit, compared to young people within the same age bracket, is better educated. Won't be surprised if a majority of Nigerian women have also faced sexual violence as well. The significant thing here is not the existence of sexual violence but a growing willingness to confront it. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by biina: 7:21pm On Apr 27, 2009 |
debosky:OT: There is no factual evidence of the existence of the mythical Amazons, but there have been evidence of all female regiments in ancient armies. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by Nobody: 8:23am On Apr 28, 2009 |
4 Play: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1706118,00.html http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1889152,00.html |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by Pataki: 8:46am On Apr 28, 2009 |
To accept that ''rape - sexual violence'' has the sole reason why women shouldn't be in the army simply equates to embracing a defeatist attitude. Where then lies the tenacity to withstand and bear all odds to which the army supposedly instills on either gender? |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by generalzango(m): 9:09am On Apr 28, 2009 |
The women should be soldiers but should be kept as KP ( Kitchen Police ) & there Platoon commandos' should be strict on any one who tempers with the females. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by debosky(m): 10:46am On Apr 28, 2009 |
Pataki: All odds yes, but sexual frustration no. Regardless of the 'aspirations', war is a harsh and military life is no cakewalk. This is not about a defeatist attitude, it's more a case of prevention - soldiers in war time are extremely sexually deprived so putting women in that situation is not ideal nor is it beneficial if 30% of them get attacked. biina:Accepted biina, I see you have joined our eminent league of pedants. You are welcome! |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by Pataki: 11:29am On Apr 28, 2009 |
debosky:Prevention? What exactly are you preventing? Is it: a) That women would no longer be raped/sexually assaulted in the army? [center]OR[/center] b) That non-inclusion of women would cut down drastically the libido of men in the army? Furthermore are you trying to imply that sexual frustration is not an odd, which is quite glaring to women who have enlisted in the army? If the premise of the argument in this topic had been based on research conducted to prove that inclusion of women has never brought any form of development both intellectually and physically to any army, then I would deem it beneficial that women should not be included in the army. If a problem such as rape - sexual violence is present in the army, the ''prevention'' you proffer is not the solution. As prevention is undertaken before [/i]the problem arises or [i]after the problem has been dealt with. The army is equipped to battle whatever forces/vices rages against it. This should be the best stance in respect to this situation. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by debosky(m): 11:58am On Apr 28, 2009 |
Pataki:What I am preventing is very simple - remove women from active/war front duties and they cannot be raped because they are not there. As prevention is undertaken before [/i]the problem arises or [i]after the problem has been dealt with.I don't want to get tangled in semantics here but prevention is simply stopping something from happening - you can 'deal' with the cause or completely remove the possibility of it happening. I clearly support the latter. I don't agree - if in 2009 we still have a 30% stat among the most 'enlightened' and 'professional' military force in the world, I don't want to imagine the stat for other less regulated armies. Women of course bring a benefit to the army, but I do not think this benefit is worth being exposed to rape by your OWN colleagues. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by Hauwa1: 12:05pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
the military is not taking it lightly since those 2006 cases . . . several changes have been made. right now no dating is even allowed. if you date, you will be sent home to face the military law. the one thing am trying to understand is during war, men have been carrying out sexual relationships among themselves (you are in trouble if you are caught) i agree with Debosky, sexual deprivation . i wonder why some can hold on while others just can't they are cutting down deployments time. for those serving more over 12 months, they are allow to go home for some weeks midway. women will continue to serve . . . that i prefer. Semper Fi |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by Pataki: 12:20pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
@ *Hauwa* Are you in the army? |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by 4Play(m): 12:42pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
oyb: Mr Copy and Paste, what does the above link have to do with how the average enlistee compares to his peers in the general population? Take your average 18 year old recruit and compare him to the average 18 year old Yank, he's better educated and has a better criminal record or more aptly 'non-record'. Recruiting standards may have been relaxed briefly, but that tells us more abut the average recruit in a particular year compared to the average recruit in another year which the link deals with. The idea that recruits are drawn from the ''less savory'' members of society is BS when the contrary is clearly the case. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by Nobody: 12:57pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
mr dubious assertations . . . we would appreciate it if you could kindly provide more than your less than savory opinions, thank you very much. the idea that recruits are drawn from the 'more savory ' members of society is BS when the contrary is clearly the case. see, anyone can do that. i do not consider you to be all knowing, so kindly back up your arguments with more than hot air. this is the article in its entirety- Even as the U.S. Army seems to be enjoying increasing success in Iraq, the war itself seems to be driving down the quality of the fresh recruits the U.S. military needs to continue the campaign. A new analysis of Pentagon data shows that only 71% of Army recruits in 2007 earned high-school diplomas, extending a downward trend that began in 2004, the first full year of the Iraq war, and well below the Army's goal of 90%. roughly 30% of recruits do not have a high school diploma - is that your average yank? 30% of yanks are high school drop outs? and note that the i highlighted' 'downward trend' , indicating that it has not stopped. maybe if you read through the second article about the pressures on recruiting officers , you wouldn't be spouting BS on recruiting standards being 'relaxed briefly.' http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/apr/22/news/chi-military-felonsapr22 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24243460/ bite on that WASHINGTON - Under pressure to meet combat needs, the Army and Marine Corps brought in significantly more recruits with felony convictions last year than in 2006, including some with manslaughter and sex crime convictions. now mr derailer, can we return to the topic at hand? feeding trolls is bothersome. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by 4Play(m): 7:26pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
oyb: Look at this rabid copy and paste ignoramus. If you really wanted to learn the truth, you can easily find it. Let's see an article that compares the average US recruit to the average American: In the early 1990s, DoD set a goal that at least 90 percent of enlisted recruits without prior service should have a high school diploma. (By comparison, 80 percent of the civilian youth population earned high school diplomas in 2006.) DoD has been able to meet that goal every year since it was established (see Figure 3). In the late 1980s and early 1990s, as the military was reduced in size and the number of new personnel who were needed fell significantly, the services were able to increase the proportion of recruits with high school diplomas, peaking at almost 98 percent in 1992. That number declined somewhat through the 1990s, in part because of improved job opportunities in the civilian sector (as evidenced by lower civilian unemployment rates for young people). http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/83xx/doc8313/07-19-MilitaryVol.pdf Last year, 83 percent of Army recruits were high school graduates. [url]http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/02/12/16846-army-recruiting-on-track-despite-challenges/ [/url] What this hare brained faux scholar has done is repeatedly quote an article about a particular year - 2007 - where standards plummeted. However, this will buttress his claim that US soldiers are drawn from the dregs of society if virtually all US soldiers had been recruited in 2007. He talks of a downward trend because of the dating of the article - 71% in '07 and 83% in '08. This is what happens when people try to bridge the chasm in their knowledge through the University of Google. 90% of current servicemen and women have at least a high school diploma. You need a link for that? That's better than the average American. So much for less savoury characters, such consummate ignorance. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by bawomolo(m): 8:53pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
There is no factual evidence of the existence of the mythical Amazons, but there have been evidence of all female regiments in ancient armies. female regiments of the dahomey kingdom are not all that ancient. female fighters in Sierra-Leone were pretty vicious too. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by Nobody: 10:17pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
Look at this rabid copy and paste ignoramus. If you really wanted to learn the truth, you can easily find it. Let's see an article that compares the average US recruit to the average American see pot calling kettle black , or are you learning the fine art of copy and paste from me? thank you for confirming what most of us would have preferred not to believe - that the rapes are by savoury characters, people from middle class backgrounds , high school diplomas, etc. it would have been preferable if they had been, as i assumed by unsavoury characters . means there are a lot of potential rapists out there, hiding behind clean cut, high school diploma, and savory exteriors. women, watch out! i would have preffered to believe that the measly number of felons may have been responsible for instigating those rapes. rather, it seems i was wrong. thanks .while previous generations of soldiers relieved sexual tension by the time honored military tradition of jacking off, the current generation clearly lacks such control, they'd rather rape those who have shed blood beside them in combat. thats the long and short of your argument. i shudder to think of what the 'unsavory' folks would be getting up to, if this is what the high school diploma ones are doing. perhaps this makes you feel better, considering how nairaland 'americans' keep knocking you brits over your wild and unsavory kids. |
Re: Why Women Shouldnt Be In The Army by Nobody: 11:56pm On Apr 28, 2009 |
Taking nothing away from the women though, amazons and the like have been known to be deadly warriors. Does Osun Amazon count? |
(1) (Reply)
Describe Your First Ever Encounter With The Nigerian Police Force! / A Demonic Passion Among Nigerians And The Media / 42 Killed Again Need New Okititupa,akure,ado Ekiti,kabba Lokoja Expressway
(Go Up)
Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10) Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 100 |