tpiander:


the last sentence in your post, about people walking two months in the structure.

wytecat:
Yoruba man, I trust you to bring 'bini' into it. For some reason any topic shocasing Yoruba culture and civilization greatness just happens to be unsettling to you

Bini are not Yoruba but you manage to squeeze them in any topic of this kind to give them relevance at our expense

Also, "it's not man-made, yet it was "dug" by slaves, hahn? The slaves back then were machines.

People like you should never be taken under Yoruba's wing.

ChimaAdeoye:





[size=18pt]Chest beaters!

As usual, making hilarious claims.

Why not the biggest man made object in the universe? [/size]

macof:


mad woman

IamAtribalist:
I am not very surprised. I have always suspected that our amala-eating conehead compatriots are descendants of remarkable forbears. If you have lived among the coneheads you will know what am talking about. There is always this ancient depth and wisdom that underlies their culture and mannerism. Unfortunately, they have been corrupted by a sick Nigerian society and externally imposed religions (Christianity and Islam) -and now they have become the most conniving, cunning and manipulative political sector in the country. However, who can really blame them considering how frustrating/corrupt the Nigerian Zeitgist is. To be righteous in Nigeria is to be a fool. A real big fool.

When I visited South Africa 5 years ago, I met an old Zulu chief who told me the Zulu (his people) traded with ancient Yoruboid/Edoid tribes as far back 700 years before the Europeans came to the the Horn of Africa. Apparently (According to the chief) these conehead amala-eating muthafvckers and their Edo brothers build sea vessels that traveled from Western coast of Africa down to the shores of South Africa. I asked him how he knew they were Yorubas and he said all he knows is that those people came from the same place the present day South Westerners reside today - and the story has been passed on from generation to generation. He said grandfather visited Nigeria pre-independence and was able to swap stories or oral tradition of trade with some of the Egbas of the South West.

We Africans have lost our way. We have allowed the white man to tell us lies about our origin and our destiny. Findings like this should be used to enlighten our people (all over the world) to help us retrace back our steps so we can rule the world again. Who would have thought that the Jewel of the Middle Ages was built right here at home in Nigeria by descendants of our conehead conniving compatriots. Even though I am a tribalist - this is great news not only for Nigerians but Africans and blacks and all of humanity.

pasol4real:

Oga u better start thanking God every day of life that the whites came to Africa ,cos I wonder what wud hav become of us .I don t understand why ppl cannot call a spade a spade .or are I saying that Africa wud hav bin better without the coming of the whites? What was our situation before they came ?even now ,with all the help n eye opening by the whites , Africa still lag far, far behind how much more without their help n assistance.
We just bid to admit the truth these guies are far more superior than we blacks n it's the simlple truth .
Or how do u explain the fact that civilization started in Africa yet Africa remains the most backward, poorest,blackest n most uncivilized in the world.

Shymm3x:

Nigeria is a zoo and the zoologist destroyed the Ijebus.

pasol4real:

Oga u better start thanking God every day of life that the whites came to Africa ,cos I wonder what wud hav become of us .I don t understand why ppl cannot call a spade a spade .or are I saying that Africa wud hav bin better without the coming of the whites? What was our situation before they came ?even now ,with all the help n eye opening by the whites , Africa still lag far, far behind how much more without their help n assistance.
We just bid to admit the truth these guies are far more superior than we blacks n it's the simlple truth .
Or how do u explain the fact that civilization started in Africa yet Africa remains the most backward, poorest,blackest n most uncivilized in the world.

proxillin:
Yorubas are not making use of their cultural heritage. There are many wonders in Ile-Ife..,

Shymm3x:


Now I know you're actually more obtuse than I initially thought. Shut the fvck up about oil and oil money. Human development goes beyond funds and resources. Countries thrive when there are common interests and it's easier to work towards a certain goal.

No matter how much money you pump into a nation state, if interests can't be aligned - it will NEVER work. It's akin to pouring water into a basket cos no matter how much water you pour into it, the basket will never be able to retain anything.

Ponder on this and come back with a more cerebral rebuttal.

Rossikk:


I don't believe they've done anything like enough archaeological research in Ile-Ife. I'm certain that if that place was given a really good dig, on the scale of what they do in places like Egypt and Mexico, we would discover amazing things.

tpiander:


let's not dig right now.

Rossikk:


Why not?

pasol4real:

Oga u better start thanking God every day of life that the whites came to Africa ,cos I wonder what wud hav become of us .I don t understand why ppl cannot call a spade a spade .or are I saying that Africa wud hav bin better without the coming of the whites? What was our situation before they came?

Rossikk:


I don't believe they've done anything like enough archaeological research in Ile-Ife. I'm certain that if that place was given a really good dig, on the scale of what they do in places like Egypt and Mexico, we would discover amazing things.

Rossikk:


When we stopped believing we could achieve great things. Colonialism destroyed our self-belief.

The Eredo earthworks could not be built today. We lack the self-esteem, organisation, unity, and long-term vision to even contemplate such an effort.

ToyozzieTohBad:
And what role are you playing ? You dare open that your Egyptian bag of fleas infested mouth and spew "collective interest" Ewu!

Rossikk:


''During the second half of the 15th century, Oba Ewuare the Great (ruled 1440-1473 AD) ordered a moat to be dug in the heart of Benin city. The earthworks served as a bastion and also afforded control of access to the capital which had nine gates that were shut at night. Travel notes of European visitors also described the Benin walls (e.g. Pacheco Pereira 1956: 130-147; Dapper 1668). It was finalized around 1460, at that time being the world's largest earthworks. (See historical photos of Benin City).

[b]Early European visitors never failed to be impressed with Benin City's grandeur and level of organization. Benin as it appears in documents of the seventeenth century: The natural reflection of centralized wealth was its magnificent capital city Benin.

Reports from the anonymous Dutchman D.R. (c. 1600) and David van Nyendael (some fifty years later) described Benin City as an extraordinarily extensive and flourishing city which easily matched the European metropolis of it's time (Hodgkin 1960: 119-120; Ben-Amos 1995: 42ff).

The Portuguese compared it with Lisbon, the Dutch with Amsterdam or Antwerp, the Italians with Florence, and the Spaniards with Madrid (Kea 1971: 187). Its size was matched by dense habitation; houses built close to each other along long, straight streets. The royal palace, a city within the city, was also impressive, with countless squares and patios and innumerable doors and passageways, all richly decorated with the art that has made Benin famous. ''The city was orderly, well laid out, and sparkling clean so that the walls of the houses appeared polished (Dapper 1693: 122). The peoples' clothes; some are dressed in white, others in yellow, others in blue or green; and the city captains are regular judges who resolve lawsuits, debates and conflicts[/b]''.''

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/union-government-africa/30718-west-africa-pre-colonial-benin-kingdom.html



"The kingdom and the capital city were both called Benin. The city of Benin was laid out in a system of huge straight streets. These streets were very wide, very long, and well maintained... You could travel on foot in a straight line for 15 or 20 minutes and not see the end of the street. Other streets opened from the main streets. They were also wide. Houses were built in rows along all of the streets. On the street front side, houses had covered porches to keep people dry as they sat outside''.

"Dutch and Portuguese traders were invited into the king's palace - One wrote: "The king's court is very big, having within it many wide squares with galleries round them where watch is always kept. I went so far within this court that I passed through four such squares, and wherever I looked I still saw gate after gate which opened into other places."

http://www.gamji.com/article6000/NEWS7869.htm



''Lourenco Pinto, who captained a Portuguese ship that brought the so-called missionaries to Warri, the ancient port of Benin in 1619, sent the below deposition to the Sacra Congregazione at the instance of father Montelcone. ”All the city of this African Empire are organized, large and harmonious. The streets run straight and as far as the eyes can see. The houses are large; especially those of the king, which is richly decorated and has, fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious.”

Before that period, the great Benin Empire had built a unique defensive wall around its principal cities. The magnitude and complexity of this great wall has qualified it to be entered in the Guinness Book of Records as the greatest earth moving work ever constructed by man. With an estimated total length in excess of 20,000km, the great Benin wall is the longest running military defensive network ever built by man.


http://www.africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/the-great-bini-empire-african-legacy/comment-page-1/

Nmeri17:
lol. Owky. Agreed. They were as mighty, advanced and civilized as the elite European cities of their time. My sole confusion arises when I wonder how the Benin expedition succeeded with only a thousand two hundred British foot soldiers. No airstrikes nor reinforcements to the British army and besides, the Brits had delegates in other parts of Africa at the same time scrambling for colonies so it's not like it was a head on war. Surely, somebody lied!!

Rossikk:

[s]
For the last few thousands of years of human civilization, Europeans were not superior to Africans technologically. It was only in the last 300 years or so that a unique industrial revolution occurred in Europe, which arose from the defeat of the European monarchies by the new mercantile elite. Resources then went into enriching this new elite, as opposed to the monarchies. This investment in commerce led to the industrial revolution. It's not like it was something planned. It just arose out of human politics. There's no reason to feel ''inferior'' to white folks. If they were superior to you they would have been advanced thousands of years ago, not just a few centuries ago. When THEY were backward and lived in caves, it was black Africans who were busy inventing mathematics, medicine, science, engaging in seafaring, international trade, and building prosperous, sophisticated societies, the world over, not just in Africa. You may not realise it, but the first civiilizations of India, China, and South America were founded by black Africans. The original statues of Krishna are of a black man.

http://www.kamat.com/kalranga/colors/black/4843.htm


Traces of a global civilization run by blacks in antiquity are actually very easy to find. [/s]

My sole confusion arises when I wonder how the Benin expedition succeeded with only a thousand two hundred British foot soldiers. No airstrikes nor reinforcements to the British
army and besides, the Brits had delegates in other parts of
Africa at the same time scrambling for colonies so it's not
like it was a head on war.

Nmeri17:


na simple question I ask o
or should I rephrase in pidgin?? olait.

"how the oyibo pipo dem take overpawa we countrymen dem with 'ONLAY' 1200 sojjas?? according to the tori way you yarn, our ijebu ancestors tranga KAKA-RAKA come tear eye join sotay we fee com-PEAR dem with the oyibo pipo dem so how come dem no fit withstand only 1200 foreign forces??"

We haven't even put into consideration the absence of any allied forces preventing the siege and utter destruction of our "great Empire" under just ten days to a point where only vestiges are left off. Or were we so great, we had no need for any league or comrade in war??

Radoillo:
Better, more sophisticated weapons.

Nmeri17:


na simple question I ask o
or should I rephrase in pidgin?? olait.

"how the oyibo pipo dem take overpawa we countrymen dem with 'ONLAY' 1200 sojjas?? according to the tori way you yarn, our ijebu ancestors tranga KAKA-RAKA come tear eye join sotay we fee com-PEAR dem with the oyibo pipo dem so how come dem no fit withstand only 1200 foreign forces??"

we haven't even put into consideration the absence of any allied forces preventing the siege and utter destruction of our "great Empire". Or were we so great, we had no need for any league or comrade in war??

Nmeri17:
SIMPLE AND SHORT!!!!!!

All this talk about African civilization remotely being on par with the Europeans' is simply valiant patriotic chatter aimed at being a framework for covetous black people to poorly build their shambolic egos upon. The people with nappy hair should learn to accept the bitter truth!!

Radoillo:


But the answer is simply, really: Better, more sophisticated weapons.

Africans didn't have anything that could match the Maxim machine guns and the six-pounder cannons of the Europeans.

Don't forget that it took like 60 or so Spaniards with guns to mow down the vast armies of thousands of the Inca and Aztec Empires.

In wars it's not always about numbers. It's usually about superiority of the military technology.

Awoofawo:
the subsequent Brithish victory arise from combined forces from Ghana, Northner Nigeria infantried ambush during a sacred festival in Benin ( At time Benin warriors were more relax)

Radoillo:


But truth be told, being ahead in military technology doesn't necessarily mean you had a better or a more advanced civilization. It just means you are ahead in that one sector.

The Aztec and the Inca were in many ways more civilised than the barbarian Spaniards that conquered them so easily.

Radoillo:


But truth be told, being ahead in military technology doesn't necessarily mean you had a better or a more advanced civilization. It just means you are ahead in that one sector.

The Aztec and the Inca were in many ways more civilised than the barbarian Spaniards that conquered them so easily.

damola1:
We failed our ancestors.

When did we become so backward?

Though already a world heritage https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sungbo%27s_Eredo

Radoillo:


But truth be told, being ahead in military technology doesn't necessarily mean you had a better or a more advanced civilization. It just means you are ahead in that one sector.

The Aztec and the Inca were in many ways more civilised than the barbarian Spaniards that conquered them so easily.

Nmeri17:
SIMPLE AND SHORT!!!!!!

All this talk about African civilization remotely being on par with the Europeans' is simply valiant patriotic chatter aimed at being a framework for covetous black people to poorly build their shambolic egos upon. The people with nappy hair should learn to accept the bitter truth!!