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Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by PhysicsQED(m): 7:00am On Aug 15, 2012 |
killayut: Gaspar Cao visited Warri in 1555 (mid-16th century) and soon after the king's son was converted to Christianity. Are you suggesting that it was necessarily only around only after the 15th century just because it isn't mentioned significantly in one particular book on the trading states of the area that became the eastern region of Nigeria? That's a pretty weak argument. Anyway, there are Ijaws in and near Warri and the Kalabari are Ijaw so it's not that surprising that there are some similarities here and there. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by 19naia(m): 7:36pm On Aug 15, 2012 |
Pidgin is spoken in hawaii,jamaica and belize which all had english speaking colonialist..Hawaii pidgin is much different than naija but the pattern of brokeness is the same...Jamaica and belize is the same as the overall carribean style and it is very much different but still a british influence like naijas---Any country in the world where english speaking colonialist spent much time disgracing the locals language,the locals did adopt a form of pidgin which mimicks most of the worlds indigenous language grammar syntax but with english and other colonials words infused....The truth is that modern proper english is a for of Pidgin that mixes improperly the words of many different languages..The modern English only has to its credit as being the tounge of the ones who were the leaders in the world conquest and thereby in control of speech and thereby in control of communication and how people organize themselves---There is no language on earth that is not a form of pidgin from other older languages... 1 Like |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by ezeagu(m): 7:59pm On Aug 15, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: I don't understand why the person who wrote this is offended that the word 'juju' has been claimed to have possibly originated in French, even going to the lengths of calling the dictionary racist. There are obviously other European words in pidgin and even as loans in African languages, so how is it impossible and how would it add anything to the French peoples ego that some random word in pidgin came from French when there are already hundreds of words that originated from French in pidgin. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 5:25am On Aug 17, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: Warri was an English creation. Then the Itshekiris were still at Ode Itshekiri And there was no WARRI city. Lagos itself was not yet a colony. Port Harcourt itself was founded in 1912 So where did you get the history of GASPER CAO visiting a town that was not existing. It was Awolowo who changed the title Olu Itshekiri to Olu of Warri and then the Olu stool moved to Warri. The city of Warri was first settled by the English . Gaspar Cao that I remember was in Sao tome as a bishop and he actually visited Warri kingdom in in 1555 . The kingdom was not Warri. Historians who were pro Itshekiri made it Warri . Gaspar visited the area and met the natives. The area was never and has never been an exclussive Itshekiri area and at that time the Warri was not an Itshekiri area but an Ijaw fishing settlement where OGBE Ijoh is today . The Itshekiri and their king then were at ODE ITSHEKIRI . But again that was after when Fernando po was already a colony and both Kalabari-Ijaws and Igbos and Efiks have already been taken there by the Portuguese when Diego Sam visited in 1493. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 5:36am On Aug 17, 2012 |
19naia: Pidgin is spoken in hawaii,jamaica and belize which all had english speaking colonialist..Hawaii pidgin is much different than naija but the pattern of brokeness is the same...Jamaica and belize is the same as the overall carribean style and it is very much different but still a british influence like naijas---Any country in the world where english speaking colonialist spent much time disgracing the locals language,the locals did adopt a form of pidgin which mimicks most of the worlds indigenous language grammar syntax but with english and other colonials words infused....The truth is that modern proper english is a for of Pidgin that mixes improperly the words of many different languages..The modern English only has to its credit as being the tounge of the ones who were the leaders in the world conquest and thereby in control of speech and thereby in control of communication and how people organize themselves---There is no language on earth that is not a form of pidgin from other older languages... I think they are talking about Nigerian or West African pidgin. I hope you do know what pidgin mean tho. There maybe close to 200 pidgin languages on earth and Hawaian pidgin is one. Belizean black people were taken there from mainly Nigeria and other West African coastal areas. They were Nigerian , Cameroonian pidgin speaking Black people already before taken there so they took to Belize the Nigerian pidgin and some how over the years changes took place. In Nigeria itself pidgin has changed . The pidgin as spoken now was not the type spoken some 30 years ago and as more tribes speak it ,new African words are adding. Sierra Leonian pidgin itself was taken there by Freed Nigerian pidgin speaking slaves from the slave ships that were taken to Free town during the abolition of slave trade. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 5:40am On Aug 17, 2012 |
If this language has been formed by Yorubas or Igbos in Nigeria every one here would quickly make it Nigerian thing. Why are Nigerians like that ? Always trying to discredit others when they do not have the credit. Europeans met the coastal dwellers first and naturally interaction took place and the natives tried to speak the white man's language. The people that met the white people first started it and those where the coastal dwellers of the gulf of guinea. NIGER DELTA. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by tpia5: 8:07am On Aug 17, 2012 |
pidgin was the language of trade and a lot of it was spoken on the slave ships. the slaves often stayed at port for up to three or six months [or longer] while waiting to be transported overseas, and during this period, they learnt to communicate in pidgin. this would particularly apply to the ports outside lagos since their captors were english speaking. sketchy details, but that's what i can recall for now. Its very likely the language would have some portuguese elements in it, since the portuguese were very active along the coast? Probably started with the portuguese and later added input from other languages as the trade evolved. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by tpia5: 1:42pm On Aug 17, 2012 |
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Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by denzel2009: 1:46pm On Aug 17, 2012 |
tpia@: It means important. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by tpia5: 1:59pm On Aug 17, 2012 |
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Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by PhysicsQED(m): 3:12pm On Aug 17, 2012 |
killayut: When you said "Warri was an English creation" I almost stopped reading. When I referenced the king's son being baptized, obviously I was referring to the Warri kingdom, an Itsekiri kingdom, which is synonymous with the place that is referred to as Ode-Itsekiri for whatever reason by some people nowadays. Warri kingdom = Itsekiri kingdom because that's what all the precolonial documents refer to the Itsekiri kingdom as. Simple. Now if you were referring only to the modern city of Warri and not the old kingdom, you should have indicated that in your post, since the rest of your post was talking about precolonial trading states, not modern cities. 1 Like |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by denzel2009: 3:14pm On Aug 17, 2012 |
tpia@:maybe you should call portugese embassy |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by kandiikane(m): 4:08pm On Aug 17, 2012 |
Nigeria pidgin is derived from the krio. Which in turn was brought by freed slaves/returned slaves. It was taken to nigeria by missionaries. It's likely it has portugese for the krio has portugese influences. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by tpia5: 4:30pm On Aug 17, 2012 |
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Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by denzel2009: 5:10pm On Aug 17, 2012 |
tpia@: Tpia@, you not only give me butterfly in my belly... you give me bumble bees too. Na you I like |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by tpia5: 11:15pm On Aug 17, 2012 |
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Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 1:13am On Aug 18, 2012 |
ezotik: People from the island "Praia, cape verde" there criol language end in "i" in everyting... they use the word "sabi" too. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by ezotik: 3:51pm On Aug 18, 2012 |
linda_1: ohh weee, why am i not surprised that it is also 'sabi' in cape verde? when cape verdeans were created from negro egg and portuguese nuts.. so the portuguese origin of the word is confirmed. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 5:35pm On Aug 18, 2012 |
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Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 8:51pm On Aug 19, 2012 |
tpia@: Slaves were either already pidgin speakers or Yoruba speakers or Igbo speakers. They never learnt nothing in the slave ships and slaves were not free at any slave port.Freed slaves were already speaking a type of what ever language they knew and the pidgin speaking slaves FREED and returned to FREE TOWN took pidgin there. Slaves also spoke Yoruba in Brazil and even CUBA. early KALABARI slaves spoke a type of KALABARI mixed with Dutch and TWI in Guyana. English was the last and final colonial master in NIGERIA and so the pidgin became a mixture of the early Languages and the native language which was Ijaw. with time Igbo words got in to pidgin because a lot of Igbos have been involved. Yorubas never spoke pidgin because of their strong pro Yoruba mentality. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 8:53pm On Aug 19, 2012 |
[quote author=0hekuru]Point of correction, There is nothing like pidgin English. It is called PIDGIN! It is a contact language. [/quote Thw word pidgin does not define a type of English. Pidgin is English for creole. and it means mixture of European and African and different native languages.You better correct your self by checking the dictionary meaning of the word pidgin. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 9:09pm On Aug 19, 2012 |
ow11: All those in favour of Portuguese should identify 10 Portuguese words in Nigerian pidgin. Till they do so, Nigerian pidgin is an English based pidgin with words from many languages ( Nigerian and European). You are very correct. The Portuguese were the earliest to come followed by the DUTCH .The Portuguese influence can only be seen in the ways of the Ijaws of the east. In their dressing and family arrangement but not the language. The Dutch and English dominate. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 9:11pm On Aug 19, 2012 |
waffigbo: O boy that na question? Arrange urself, abi u no know say na waffi invent pidgin throway , confirm LOL. WAFFI is late and warrri itself was not mentioned in THE HISTORY OF NIGER DELTA TRADING STATES. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 9:15pm On Aug 19, 2012 |
tpiah: The Portuguese seem to have entered through Lagos/Warri to Benin while further along the coastline the British and Dutch may have made first contact. The Portuguese actually entered the gulf of Guinea first and that was the present day Bight of Biafra or Bonny and that is home to the eastern Ijaws. Lagos was later. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 9:16pm On Aug 19, 2012 |
This thread actually started since 2009 and I am just reading it and commenting . Funny |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by tpia5: 4:40pm On Aug 21, 2012 |
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Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by tpia5: 4:47pm On Aug 21, 2012 |
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Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by PhysicsQED(m): 8:02pm On Aug 21, 2012 |
killayut, can you point me to an actual historical reference to this 'Diego Sam' who apparently visited Calabar in 1493? I would like to see a real legitimate reference from a source that was written and published before the colonization of Nigeria. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 12:14pm On Aug 23, 2012 |
PhysicsQED: killayut, can you point me to an actual historical reference to this 'Diego Sam' who apparently visited Calabar in 1493? Because it has not been written by any one from any big tribe does not mean it did not happen. No one has ever written the relationship between my fore parents and Europeans But It happened. Go to Calabar and ask about Calabar history to know every thing about Calabar. One day an Efik person would pick interest and publish the history of Calabar that covers such events and whne that happens many people would doubt asking the same question you just asked. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 12:18pm On Aug 23, 2012 |
tpia@: In Recent times there have been lots of Yoruba words in pidgin LIKE PATAKI which meaning I do not even know. Pataki was never a word in the beginning pidgin English language |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 12:19pm On Aug 23, 2012 |
tpia@: You are right there. I think they reached Sierra Leone first but definitely Gulf of Guinea first before Lagos. |
Re: Is Pidgin English From Portuguese? by Nobody: 12:28pm On Aug 23, 2012 |
tpia@: You are right. Many people do not still speak pidgin today even in the heavy pidgin speaking areas. What I meant was at least there were elements of pidgin speaking slaves in every slave ship taken away and those were the people that introduced pidgin in the Caribbean. The way Jamaicans pidgin pronounce their words especially the B and D is African and they say they do that because their founding fathers pronounced the words and letters like that and they claim it is West African accent. Only Eastern Ijaws pronounce B and D like that where the D in Do it would sound Gdo it as in the D sound of the Eastern Ijaw words Dumo (Life ) Duba ( Big ) and Buko ( Monkey ) Bo ( Come ) |
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