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Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by kinibigdeal(m): 11:06pm On Oct 29, 2015
If you don't like history, don't bother reading further. Who are the Fulani's? The piece will give you an insight about them.


Fula or Fulani or Fulbe (the latter being an Anglicization of the word in their language, Fule) are an ethnic group of people spread over many countries, predominantly in West Africa, but found also in Central Africa and The Sudan of east Africa. The countries in Africa where they are present include Mauritania, Senegal, Guinea, The Gambia, Mali, Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Benin, Burkina Faso, Guinea Bissau, Cameroon, Côte d’Ivoire (Ivory Coast), Niger, Togo, the Central African Republic, Ghana, Liberia, and as far as Sudan in the east. Fulas are not a majority in every country they live, but in Guinea they represent a plurality of the population (largest single group).

There are also many names (and spellings of the names) used in other languages to refer to the Fule. Fulani in English is borrowed from the Hausa term. Fula, from Manding languages is also used in English, and sometimes spelled Fulah or Foulah. Fula and Fulani are commonly used in English, including within Africa. The French borrowed the Wolof term Pël, which is variously spelled: Peul, Peulh, and even Peuhl. More recently the Fulfulde / Pulaar term Fule, which is a plural noun (singular, Pullo) has been adapted to English as Fulbe, which some people use. In Portuguese it’s Fula or Futafula.

Related Groups;A closely related group is the Tukolor (Toucouleur) in the central Senegal River valley. These people are often referred to together with Fule of the region as Haalpulaar’en (Pulaar-speakers).
Fula society in some parts of West Africa features the “caste” divisions typical of the region. In Mali, for instance, those who are not ethnically Fula have been referred to as yime pulaaku (people of the Fula culture). The Woe, also known as the Bororo, are a subgroup of the Fula people.

Traditional Livelihood;The Fulani are traditionally a nomadic, pastoralist, trading people, herding cattle, goats and sheep across the vast dry hinterlands of their domain, keeping somewhat separate from the local agricultural populations.

Origins and Spread;The early origin of Fulani People is most fascinating and deepened in mystery with widely divergent opinions. Many scholars believe that they are of Judaeo-Syrian origin. However, it is generally recognized that Fulani descended from nomads from both North Africa and from sub-Sahara Africa. They came from the Middle-East and North Africa and settled into Central and West Africa from the Senegal region they created the Tekruur Empire which was contemporary to the Ghana Empire. Then, they spread in all the countries in West-Africa, continuing to lead their nomadic life style. They created here and there mixed states where they sometimes were the dominant group. But more often, they were absorbed by the indigenous population whom they had dominated.

While some have speculated over the origin of Fulani people, current linguistic and genetic evidence suggests an indigenous West African origin among the Peul. The vast majority of genetic lineages associated with them reflect those most commonly seen in other West Africans. Their language is also of West African origin, most closely related to that of the Wolof and Serer ethnic groups. Historical and archaeological records indicate that Peul-speakers have resided in western Africa since at least the 5th century A.D. as well. Interestingly, rock paintings in the Tassili-n-Ajjer suggests the presence of proto-Fulani cultural traits in the region by at least the fourth millennium B.C. Scholars specializing in Fulani culture believe that some of the imagery depicts rituals that are still practiced by contemporary Fulani people.

The Fulani were the first group of people in West Africa to convert to Islam through jihads, or holy wars, and were able to take over much of West Africa and establish themselves not only as a religious group but also as a political and economic force. They are the missionaries of Islam and continued to conquer much of West Africa. The Fulani are primarily nomadic herders and traders. Through their nomadic lifestyle they established numerous trade routes in West Africa. Many times the Fulani go to local markets and interact with the people, getting news and spreading it through much of West Africa.

The History of the Fulani?
The history of the Fulani seems to begin with the Berber people of North Africa around the 8th or 11th century AD.

As the Berbers migrated down from North Africa and mixed with the peoples in the Senegal region of West Africa the Fulani people came into existence. Over a thousand year period from AD 900 – 1900, they spread out over most of West Africa and even into some areas of Central Africa. Some groups of Fulani have been found as far as the western borders of Ethiopia. As they migrated eastward they came into contact with different African tribes. As they encountered these other peoples, they conquered the less powerful tribes.

Along the way many Fulani completely or partially abandoned their traditional nomadic life in favor of a sedentary existence in towns or on farms among the conquered peoples. The nomadic Fulani continued eastward in search of the best grazing land for their cattle. Their lives revolved around and were dedicated to their herds. The more cattle a man owned, the more respect he was given. Today, some estimate as many as 18 million Fulani people stretch across the countries of West Africa. They remain to be the largest group of nomadic people in the world.

Rise to Political Dominance;Beginning as early as the 17th and 18th centuries, but mainly in the 19th century, Fulas and others took control of various states in West Africa. These included the Fulani Empire founded by Usman dan Fodio (which itself included smaller states), Fouta Djallon, Massina and others. M. Delafosse suggested that with the expansion of the Fulani from Futa to Darfur, all this region became known to the Arabs as Takrur.

Culture & Language :The language of Fulas is called Pulaar or Fulfulde depending on the region, or variants thereof. It is also the language of the Tukulor. All Senegalese who speak the language natively are known as the Halpulaar or Haalpulaar’en, which stands for “speakers of Pulaar” (“hal” is the root of the Pulaar verb haalugol, meaning “to speak”). In some areas, e.g. in northern Cameroon, Fulfulde is a local lingua franca.
With the exception of Guinea, Fulas are minorities in every country they live in (most countries of West Africa). So some also speak other languages, for example:Portuguese and Kriol in Guinea-Bissau;French and Arabic in Mauritania Hausa and French in Niger: French and English in Cameroon;Wolof and French in Senegal; Sango and French in Central African Republic; Bambara and French in MaliEnglish, Hausa and Ghanaian languages in Ghana&English and some indigenous languages in Sierra Leone, particularly Krio, that lingua franca. Hausa, other Nigerian languages and English in Nigeria Fula are primarily known to be pastoralists, but are also traders in some areas. Most Fula in the countryside spend long times alone on foot, moving their herds; they were the only major migrating people of West Africa, though most Fula now live in towns or villages.

[As they conquered different towns and peoples, they would take captives from those tribes. Those captives became their slaves, adopting the language and lifestyle of the Fulani, and working their fields for them.
Today, although no longer officially slaves, the ex-slave caste (rimaaybe or maccube) has no sense of their original ethnicity. Although distinct ethnically from the true Fulbe, their identity is now so intertwined with them that they are themselves called Fulani.

Over 99% of Fulani are Muslims. It is said that to be a Fulani is to be a Muslim. There are a small group of Fulani called the Mbororo, or Wodaabe, found in Niger and Cameroon, who resisted Islam, and have kept much of their pre-Islamic way of life and beliefs. And in different places, small groups of Fulani are choosing to follow the way of Christ. However, the vast majority are Muslims, most practicing a version of folk Islam, integrating animistic practices into their Muslim religious duties.]

In 1804 Usuman Dan Fodio, a studious and charismatic Muslim Fulani scholar, began to preach the reformist ideology in the Hausa kingdoms. His movement became a revolution when in 1804, seeing himself as God’s instrument, he preached a jihad against the Hausa kings whom he felt were not following the teachings of the Prophet. A great upheaval followed in which the Fulani took control of most of the Hausa states of northern Nigeria in the western Sudan. A new kingdom, based on the city of Sokoto, developed under Dan Fodio’s son and brother. The Fulani expansion was driven not only by religious zeal but by political ambitions, as the attack on the well-established Muslim kingdom of Bornu demonstrated. The result of this upheaval was the creation of a powerful Sokoto state under a caliph, whose authority was established over cities such as Kano and Zaria and whose rulers became emirs of provinces within the Sokoto caliphate.

By the 1840s the effects of Islamization and the Fulani expansion were felt across much of the interior of West Africa. New political units were created, a reformist Islam that sought to eliminate pagan practices was spread, and social and cultural changes took place in the wake of these changes. Literacy, for example, became more widely dispersed and new centers of trade, such as Kano, emerged in this period. Later jihads established other new states along similar lines. All of these changes had long-term effects on the region of the western Sudan.

These upheavals – moved by religious, political, and economic motives -were not unaffected by the external pressures on Africa. They fed into the ongoing processes of the external slave trades and the development of slavery within African societies. Large numbers of captives resulting from the wars were exported down to the coast for sale to the Europeans, while another stream of slaves crossed the Sahara to North Africa. In the western and central Sudan the level of slave labor rose, especially in the larger towns and along the trade routes.

Slave villages, supplying royal courts and merchant activities as well as a sort of plantation system, developed to produce peanuts and other crops.

Slave women spun cotton and wove cloth for sale, slave artisans worked in the towns, and slaves served the caravan traders, but most slaves did agricultural labor. By the late 19th century regions of the savanna contained large slave populations – in some places as much as 30 to 50 percent of the whole population. From the Senegambia region of Futa Jallon, across the Niger and Senegal basins, and to the east of Lake Chad, slavery became a central feature of the Sudanic states and remained so through the 19th century.] Source: Africa And The Africans In The Age Of The Atlantic Slave Trade [People whom historians identify as Fulani entered present-day Senegal from the north and east. It is certain that they were a mixture of peoples from northern and sub-Saharan Africa. These pastoral peoples tended to move in an eastern direction and spread over much of West Africa after the tenth century.

Their adoption of Islam increased the Fulanis’ feeling of cultural and religious superiority to surrounding peoples, and that adoption became a major ethnic boundary marker. The Toroobe, a branch of the Fulani, settled in towns and mixed with the ethnic groups there. They quickly became noted as outstanding Islamic clerics, joining the highest ranks of the exponents of Islam, along with Berbers and Arabs. The Town Fulani (Fulbe Sirre) never lost touch with their Cattle Fulani relatives, however, often investing in large herds themselves. Cattle remain a significant symbolic repository of Fulani values.

The Fulani movement in West Africa tended to follow a set pattern. Their first movement into an area tended to be peaceful. Local officials gave them land grants. Their dairy products, including fertilizer, were highly prized. The number of converts to Islam increased over time. With that increase, Fulani resentment at being ruled by pagans, or imperfect Muslims, increased.

That resentment was fueled by the larger migration that occurred during the seventeenth century, in which the Fulani migrants were predominantly Muslim. These groups were not so easily integrated into society as earlier immigrants had been. By the beginning of the eighteenth century, revolts had broken out against local rulers. Although these revolts began as holy wars (jihads), after their success they followed the basic principle of Fulani ethnic dominance.

The situation in Nigeria was somewhat different from that elsewhere in West Africa in that the Fulani entered an area more settled and developed than that in other West African areas. At the time of their arrival, in the early fifteenth century, many Fulani settled as clerics in Hausa city-states such as Kano, Katsina, and Zaria.

Others settled among the local peoples during the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. By the seventeenth century, the Hausa states had begun to gain their independence from various foreign rulers, with Gobir becoming the predominant Hausa state.

The urban culture of the Hausa was attractive to many Fulani. These Town or Settled Fulani became clerics, teachers, settlers, and judgesand in many other ways filled elite positions within the Hausa states. Soon they adopted the Hausa language, many forgetting their own Fulfulde language.

Although Hausa customs exerted an influence on the Town Fulani, they did not lose touch with the Cattle or Bush Fulani.

These ties proved useful when their strict adherence to Islamic learning and practice led them to join the jihads raging across West Africa. They tied their grievances to those of their pastoral relatives. The Cattle Fulani resented what they considered to be an unfair cattle tax, one levied by imperfect Muslims. Under the leadership of the outstanding Fulani Islamic cleric, Shehu Usman dan Fodio, the Fulani launched a jihad in 1804. By 1810, almost all the Hausa states had been defeated.

Although many Hausasuch as Yakubu in Bauchijoined dan Fodio after victory was achieved, the Fulani in Hausaland turned their religious conquest into an ethnic triumph. Those in Adamawa, for instance, were inspired by dan Fodio’s example to revolt against the kingdom of Mandara. The leader was Modibo Adamu, after whom the area is now named. His capital is the city of Yola. After their victories, the Fulani generally eased their Hausa collaborators from positions of power and forged alliances with fellow Fulani.
Settlements.For the fully nomadic Fulani, the practice of transhumance, the seasonal movement in search of water, strongly influences settlement patterns. The basic settlement, consisting of a man and his dependents, is called a wuru. It is social but ephemeral, given that many such settlements have no women and serve simply as shelters for the nomads who tend the herds.

There are, in fact, a number of settlement patterns among Fulani. In the late twentieth century there has been an increasing trend toward livestock production and sedentary settlement, but Fulani settlement types still range from traditional nomadism to variations on sedentarism. As the modern nation-state restricts the range of nomadism, the Fulani have adapted ever increasingly complex ways to move herds among their related families: the families may reside in stable communities, but the herds move according to the availability of water. Over the last few centuries, the majority of Fulani have become sedentary.

Those Fulani who remain nomadic or seminomadic have two major types of settlements: dry-season and wet-season camps. The dry season lasts from about November to March, the wet season from about March to the end of October. Households are patrilocal and range in size from one nuclear family to more than one hundred people. The administrative structure, however, crosscuts patrilinies and is territorial. Families tend to remain in wet-season camp while sending younger malesor, increasingly, hiring non-Fulani herdersto accompany the cattle to dry-season camps.

Town Fulani live in much the same manner as the urban people among whom they live, maintaining their Fulani identity because of the prestige and other advantages to which it entitles its members. In towns, Fulani pursue the various occupations available to them: ruler, adviser to the ruler, religious specialist, landlord, business, trade, and so forth.

Economy
Subsistence and Commercial Activities: The Fulani form the largest pastoral nomadic group in the world. The Bororo’en are noted for the size of their cattle herds. In addition to fully nomadic groups, however, there are also semisedentary FulaniFulbe Laddiwho also farm, although they argue that they do so out of necessity, not choice. A small group, the Fulbe Mbalu or Sheep Fulani, rely on sheep for their livelihood.

The Toroobe are outstanding clerics in the Sunni branch of Islam. They have generally intermarried with Hausa and no longer speak Fulfulde. They are found practicing other urban trades: teaching, serving in government positions, engaging in legal activities, renting property, financing trade, and so forth.
Many of the other Town Fulani were actually slaves of the Fulani who now identify with the group because of their high prestige.

These urban dwellers engage in all the trades one finds in Hausa towns from crafts to long-range trade throughout Africa and the world.

Industrial Arts: The Fulani are not particularly noted for industrial arts, except for those associated with cattle. They do engage in leatherworking and some craft production. Many of their former slaves who have assumed Fulani ethnicity follow the basic crafts of other West Africans: silver- and gold-smithing, ironworking, basket making, and similar crafts.

Trade: The Fulani are engaged in long-distance trade, generally involving cattle, with their Hausa colleagues. Often the Hausa are also butchers who control West African cattle markets by controlling access to Fulani cattle.
Division of Labor: Herding cattle is a male activity. Tending and milking cattle, however, are women’s work. Women may also sell dairy products; their graceful movement with containers of milk or cheese is a common sight in West African towns. Adolescent males traditionally have been in charge of moving the herds, whereas their elders deal with the political decisions and negotiate with sedentary people for the safe movement of the herds through farmlands.

Land Tenure: Land is held byand inherited throughthe patrilineage. As the Fulani have become increasingly sedentary generally as a result of the pressure of the modern nation state and its centralized controlrights in land have become increasingly important.] Source: The Encyclopedia.com Middle Eastern Origins of the Fulani
[The Fulani who are nomadic pastoralists that speak a Niger-Kordofanian language and reside across central and western Africa do not cluster with other Niger-Kordofanian-speaking populations. Moreover, the Fulani are distinguished from other African samples in Tishkoff et al.’s STRUCTURE analysis (Tishkoff SA, et al. (2009) The Genetic Structure and History of Africans and African Americans, 1035-1044).



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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Fulaman198(m): 9:32am On Oct 30, 2015
Cool, looks copied and pasted though, but nevertheless, thanks for the post. Are you a Pullo? An a Pullo?

Some information here is wrong though. The Toroobe are from Fouta Toroo in Senegal and Mauritania. So they can't be married to Hausa unless if you are referring to Toroobe that settled in Nigeria centuries ago.

In regards to origins, it's all bull crap what whites have tried to say about us. We are West Africans but originally from North west Africa when the Sahara was lush and green.
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by kinibigdeal(m): 10:06am On Oct 30, 2015
Fulaman198:
Cool, looks copied and pasted though, but nevertheless, thanks for the post. Are you a Pullo? An a Pullo?

Some information here is wrong though. The Toroobe are from Fouta Toroo in Senegal and Mauritania. So they can't be married to Hausa unless if you are referring to Toroobe that settled in Nigeria centuries ago.

In regards to origins, it's all bull crap what whites have tried to say about us. We are West Africans but originally from North west Africa when the Sahara was lush and green.

Am not a Pollo, but the story also asserted the fact that, Fulani's are located in west Africa but the controversy here is that, no one seems to understand where Fulani really originated from. Some think they came from Syria while other argue Ethiopia. The Toroobe migrated to Senegal but not a native of Senegal, Toroobe can also be found in Bukina Faso. The same Toroobe are also in the Northern part of Nigeria, and I think they inter-marry with the Hausa's
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by kinibigdeal(m): 10:12am On Oct 30, 2015
Cc: bigfrancis21, Odumchi, Fulaman198 Why was I ban yesterday because of this post?
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Nobody: 12:13pm On Oct 30, 2015
Seems accurate enough. It maybe a copy and paste but I know you took time to pick from various sources. Great job!
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Nobody: 12:26pm On Oct 30, 2015
A Judeo-Syrian or Ethiopian ancestry for the Fulani is too far-fetched, in my opinion. A more plausible theory is that the Fulani are paternally descended from Cattle pastoralists from the Sahara, back in the neolithic times when the Sahara could still support a larger population of cultivators and pastoralists.

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by kinibigdeal(m): 12:44pm On Oct 30, 2015
VoslerGrimsbane:
Seems accurate enough. It maybe a copy and paste but I know you took time to pick from various sources. Great job!

Thanks man
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by kinibigdeal(m): 12:46pm On Oct 30, 2015
Radoillo:
A Judeo-Syrian or Ethiopian ancestry for the Fulani is too far-fetched, in my opinion. A more plausible theory is that the Fulani are paternally descended from Cattle pastoralists from the Sahara, back in the neolithic times when the Sahara could still support a larger population of cultivators and pastoralists.

Well, maybe but they must have an origin. Currently, they are spread across west africa
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by MrPresident1: 1:10pm On Oct 30, 2015
The Fulani are Hamites, they are descendants of ancient Egyptians, ancient Egypt was a Hamitic empire. Somalis are ancient Egyptians too, so you see they resemble themselves, they are Hamites, Fulani and Somalis and they do not like mixing with people they call Bantus, or Negroes. The have derogatory names for them eg the Somalis call the Negroes Adoon or Jareer both having derogatory meanings. They do not like mixing with Negroes, they can marry your women but will never ever allow you near their women.
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by kinibigdeal(m): 1:28pm On Oct 30, 2015
MrPresident1:
The Fulani are Hamites, they are descendants of ancient Egyptians, ancient Egypt was a Hamitic empire. Somalis are ancient Egyptians too, so you see they resemble themselves, they are Hamites, Fulani and Somalis and they do not like mixing with people they call Bantus, or Negroes. The have derogatory names for them eg the Somalis call the Negroes Adoon or Jareer both having derogatory meanings. They do not like mixing with Negroes, they can marry your women but will never ever allow you near their women.

Well, in the case of Ilorin and mostly the Northern part of Nigeria, Fulani, Hausa and some Yoruba do intermarriage. It is a simple ideology of stamping their feet in such territory. I don't know of other west African countries
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Nobody: 2:04pm On Oct 30, 2015
MrPresident1:
The Fulani are Hamites, they are descendants of ancient Egyptians, ancient Egypt was a Hamitic empire. Somalis are ancient Egyptians too, so you see they resemble themselves, they are Hamites, Fulani and Somalis and they do not like mixing with people they call Bantus, or Negroes. The have derogatory names for them eg the Somalis call the Negroes Adoon or Jareer both having derogatory meanings. They do not like mixing with Negroes, they can marry your women but will never ever allow you near their women.


Fulanis and Somalis do not look alike.

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by itstpia8: 2:59pm On Oct 30, 2015
all this endless recycling of the same topics.
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Nobody: 3:32pm On Oct 30, 2015
itstpia8:
all this endless recycling of the same topics.

I thought so at first, but the content of this one is a bit different and a bit more accurate.
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Fulaman198(m): 2:09am On Oct 31, 2015
kinibigdeal:


Am not a Pollo, but the story also asserted the fact that, Fulani's are located in west Africa but the controversy here is that, no one seems to understand where Fulani really originated from. Some think they came from Syria while other argue Ethiopia. The Toroobe migrated to Senegal but not a native of Senegal, Toroobe can also be found in Bukina Faso. The same Toroobe are also in the Northern part of Nigeria, and I think they inter-marry with the Hausa's

Tooroobe are native to Senegal, what are you saying. They are named after Fouta Tooro which comprises both Senegal and Mauritania.

We Fulani in Nigeria have numerous clans more than 20. Like the Kesu'en, Mbororo'en, Etc etc. The Toroobe (like Baaba Maal) are numerous and mainly today exist in Fouta Tooro as fishermen.

We are West African, we are not Ethiopians nor Syrians (that's even more ridiculous). We lived and inhabited North West Africa and have been in the West African region for a minimum of 10,000 years.
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by kinibigdeal(m): 9:00am On Oct 31, 2015
Fulaman198:


Tooroobe are native to Senegal, what are you saying. They are named after Fouta Tooro which comprises both Senegal and Mauritania.

We Fulani in Nigeria have numerous clans more than 20. Like the Kesu'en, Mbororo'en, Etc etc. The Toroobe (like Baaba Maal) are numerous and mainly today exist in Fouta Tooro as fishermen.

We are West African, we are not Ethiopians nor Syrians (that's even more ridiculous). We lived and inhabited North West Africa and have been in the West African region for a minimum of 10,000 years.

Ok
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by alanmwene: 7:39pm On Nov 07, 2015
MrPresident1:
The Fulani are Hamites, they are descendants of ancient Egyptians, ancient Egypt was a Hamitic empire. Somalis are ancient Egyptians too, so you see they resemble themselves, they are Hamites, Fulani and Somalis and they do not like mixing with people they call Bantus, or Negroes. The have derogatory names for them eg the Somalis call the Negroes Adoon or Jareer both having derogatory meanings. They do not like mixing with Negroes, they can marry your women but will never ever allow you near their women.
I don't think Somalis and fulanis have anything to do with the Egyptian kingdom coz you cant go from being a sedentary culture to a totally pastoral and nomadic culture just like that.And the original Egyptians were called the Anu anyway!Before their contacts with arabs,neither Somalis nor fulanis built a state by themselves.Arabs civilised them and gave them a religion.Bantus people were the true creators of ancient Egypt coz bantus and ancient Egyptians give the same name to all founding fathers of their empires
Menes Narmer/Menes Aha/Mwene aha(or Mwene scorpio/King catfish)):founder of the Egyptian kingdom
Mwene Nimi/Mwene Kongo(King god))=founder of the kongo kingdom
Mwene mutapa=Founder of great Zimbabwe
Mwene Nganga(chibinda ilunga)=Founder of the Lunda and Chokwe kingdoms
Mwami=Founder of the Rwandese kingdom
Mwene Nyaga(king ostrich)=Founder of Kenya
There are no other groups of people in Africa that give the tilte Mwene to their empire builders!
Anyway,how can Somalis be descendants of ancient Egyptians and do this grin grin grin grin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKeSrq7t6Ak
or fell this test that monkeys passed with flying colours? grin grin grin grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVz3GgAWUyM

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Fulaman198(m): 12:14am On Nov 08, 2015
alanmwene:

I don't think Somalis and fulanis have anything to do with the Egyptian kingdom coz you cant go from being a sedentary culture to a totally pastoral and nomadic culture just like that.And the original Egyptians were called the Anu anyway!Before their contacts with arabs,neither Somalis nor fulanis built a state by themselves.Arabs civilised them and gave them a religion.Bantus people were the true creators of ancient Egypt coz bantus and ancient Egyptians give the same name to all founding fathers of their empires
Menes Narmer/Menes Aha/Mwene aha(or Mwene scorpio/King catfish)):founder of the Egyptian kingdom
Mwene Nimi/Mwene Kongo(King god))=founder of the kongo kingdom
Mwene mutapa=Founder of great Zimbabwe
Mwene Nganga(chibinda ilunga)=Founder of the Lunda and Chokwe kingdoms
Mwami=Founder of the Rwandese kingdom
Mwene Nyaga(king ostrich)=Founder of Kenya
There are no other groups of people in Africa that give the tilte Mwene to their empire builders!
Anyway,how can Somalis be descendants of ancient Egyptians and do this grin grin grin grin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKeSrq7t6Ak
or fell this test that monkeys passed with flying colours? grin grin grin grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVz3GgAWUyM

You have got to be kidding me with this Bantu nonsense.

Bantus have nothing to do with Egypt. It's mainly Nilotic/Saharan groups. That means Kanuri of Nigeria, Tebu/Tubu/Toubou of Nigeria, Chad, Niger and Sudan. Nubians of Sudan and Egypt. Songhai/Zarma (Sonrai), and other Nilotic groups like the Dinka and Nuer.

Bantus no offence are not desert dwellers. Nilotes, Sahelians, Afro-Asiatic groups are
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Nobody: 5:10am On Nov 08, 2015
Thanks for the write-up. I think this is a mysterious people.

So not all Fulanis are related by blood, but they are all related by culture. Am saying this because other long established African tribes are able to trace back their lineage to a founding patriarch. This makes me believe in the theory of migration of a foreign nation into Africa, as opposed to one that was settled here from its founding. Could also be because the Fulani nation expanded by conquest, taking in or joining with various other independent cultures(not talking of just the slaves.)

Is it true that Omar el Bashir (current president of Sudan) is a Fulani?

Prestigious or not, all Muslim communities believe they are better than other communities. Its a religiously indoctrinated belief that makes them very daring in wars. Its the most formidable upfront to even the European domination, otherwise called the western civilization, through its more radical arms.
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Fulaman198(m): 5:52am On Nov 08, 2015
muafrika:
Thanks for the write-up. I think this is a mysterious people.

So not all Fulanis are related by blood, but they are all related by culture. Am saying this because other long established African tribes are able to trace back their lineage to a founding patriarch. This makes me believe in the theory of migration of a foreign nation into Africa, as opposed to one that was settled here from its founding. Could also be because the Fulani nation expanded by conquest, taking in or joining with various other independent cultures(not talking of just the slaves.)

Is it true that Omar el Bashir (current president of Sudan) is a Fulani?

Prestigious or not, all Muslim communities believe they are better than other communities. Its a religiously indoctrinated belief that makes them very daring in wars. Its the most formidable upfront to even the European domination, otherwise called the western civilization, through its more radical arms.

Omar el Bashir of Sudan is an Arab. He's related to our Arab groups of Nigeria (Shuwa/Shu'a) they are a Baggara sub-group of Arabs.
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Fulaman198(m): 6:01am On Nov 08, 2015
muafrika:
Thanks for the write-up. I think this is a mysterious people.

So not all Fulanis are related by blood, but they are all related by culture. Am saying this because other long established African tribes are able to trace back their lineage to a founding patriarch. This makes me believe in the theory of migration of a foreign nation into Africa, as opposed to one that was settled here from its founding. Could also be because the Fulani nation expanded by conquest, taking in or joining with various other independent cultures(not talking of just the slaves.)

Is it true that Omar el Bashir (current president of Sudan) is a Fulani?

Prestigious or not, all Muslim communities believe they are better than other communities. Its a religiously indoctrinated belief that makes them very daring in wars. Its the most formidable upfront to even the European domination, otherwise called the western civilization, through its more radical arms.

There is nothing mysterious about us. Our language is very similar to Wolof and Serer. It's a subgroup of the Senegambian languages. We are a Sahelian group of people like the Wolof and Serer.

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by alanmwene: 3:52pm On Nov 08, 2015
Fulaman198:

You have got to be kidding me with this Bantu nonsense.
Bantus have nothing to do with Egypt. It's mainly Nilotic/Saharan groups. That means Kanuri of Nigeria, Tebu/Tubu/Toubou of Nigeria, Chad, Niger and Sudan. Nubians of Sudan and Egypt. Songhai/Zarma (Sonrai), and other Nilotic groups like the Dinka and Nuer.
Bantus no offence are not desert dwellers. Nilotes, Sahelians, Afro-Asiatic groups are
Incorrect!The proto-Egyptians were called the Anus and they have nothing to do with the people you have cited.And their phenotype was totally distinct from the sudano-sahelian phenotype(tall,slender,......).I conjecture that bantus lived in the sahara when the sahara used to be a green space.And they started moving in all directions due to the sahara desertification.If bantus have nothing to do with ancient Egyptians,how come ancient Egyptians artefacts(Osiris statue,egyptian vases) were found in kasai (congo)?
http://www.digitalcongo.net/article/68654
http://www.aime-free.com/article-pharaon-au-congo-en-egypte-ancienne-76131121.html
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Fulaman198(m): 6:14pm On Nov 08, 2015
alanmwene:

Incorrect!The proto-Egyptians were called the Anus and they have nothing to do with the people you have cited.And their phenotype was totally distinct from the sudano-sahelian phenotype(tall,slender,......).I conjecture that bantus lived in the sahara when the sahara used to be a green space.And they started moving in all directions due to the sahara desertification.If bantus have nothing to do with ancient Egyptians,how come ancient Egyptians artefacts(Osiris statue,egyptian vases) were found in kasai (congo)?
http://www.digitalcongo.net/article/68654
http://www.aime-free.com/article-pharaon-au-congo-en-egypte-ancienne-76131121.html

All false information, Bantus never lived in the Sahara, kindly stop spreading false information. The Kanuri alongside other Saharan groups had a kingdom that extended into Libya called the Kanem-Bornu Empire. The empire of Kush was 100% Nilotic. In addition, Nilo-Saharan people have always lived within the Nile valley. Bantus don't even come close. Their body type which is typically shorter doesn't have them being a part of the region.
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by alanmwene: 7:32pm On Nov 08, 2015
Fulaman198:

All false information, Bantus never lived in the Sahara, kindly stop spreading false information. The Kanuri alongside other Saharan groups had a kingdom that extended into Libya called the Kanem-Bornu Empire. The empire of Kush was 100% Nilotic. In addition, Nilo-Saharan people have always lived within the Nile valley. Bantus don't even come close. Their body type which is typically shorter doesn't have them being a part of the region.
What do you mean by false information?These discoveries were attested by French and Belgian archeologists.And since kanuris call themselves ANU?Why don't you give any cultural evidences of the links between kanuris and ancient Egyptians instead of speculating?


Proven Physical Remains: the Anu People


Let us focus initially on the work of the French Egyptologist Emile Amélineau (1850-1915), who devoted himself to the first dynasties and who excavated, for the first time, the tombs of the pharaohs of the first (official) dynasty. In his excavations in the south of Egypt he discovered evidence of the existence of already advanced people earlier than the Pharaohs of the first dynasty. He discovered in particular the people of black race, the Anu (sometimes called "Aunu"wink. (Nothing to do with the Annunaki, although it sounds like a similar word.)

They raised livestock and practised extensive agriculture all along the Nile and protected themselves inside the defensive walls of cities. They founded the towns of Esna (Anu Tseni), Erment (Anu Menti), Qush, Gebelein (Anti) and even Heliopolis (which was originally named "Anu"wink. These cities include in their written names the characteristic symbol designating the Anu people, the three columns. And according to many researchers (Chandler, etc), the greatest figures of ancient Egypt, such as Osiris, Isis, Hermes and Horus came from this ancient Anu race. May I remind you that according to the ancient texts, Osiris, for example, is known as "Son of Geb and Nut, born in Thebes in Upper Egypt", which gives him a reality in historical life; the texts even say that he taught the arts of agriculture and established the rule of law. (For my part, I do not totally agree with the thesis that these beings originated only among the Anu.)

The noble Tera-Neter of the Anu, from William Flinders Petrie, The Making of Egypt, 1939.


In any case the Anu knew the use of metals and ivory, they were very organized and knew how to write. This was proven by many artefacts found by Amélineau in the region of Abydos and described in his Nouvelles Fouilles d'Abydos. The archaeologist pointed out: "If Osiris was of Nubian origin, although born in Thebes, then it would be easy to understand why the fight between Osiris and Seth took place in Nubia." (Prolégomènes, pp.124-5). Let us not forget that according to certain researchers, Anu is a term applied to Osiris himself. Amélineau comments that it was "in an ethnic sense that we must read the term Anu applied to Osiris." He also quotes a passage from Chapter 15 of The Book of the Dead (of which the real title is The Book of Coming Out into the Light): "O Thou God Anu in the mountainous land of Antem! O Great God of the double solar mountain!" It was the name of Osiris in his role as fourth Pharaoh on Earth which the Greeks translated by Onnuphris, that is to say, "the Good".

We have an extraordinary object from pre-dynastic Anu found by the great English Egyptologist William Flinders Petrie (1853-1942) in Abydos. It is a glazed and inscribed earthenware tile, unearthed from below the dynastic temple. The inscription bears the portrait of the Anu ruler, Tera-neter. There is even his address at the top: "Palace of the Anu at Ermant, Tera-neter."


Existence of Several Groups

But the Anu are only one contribution to Egyptian civilization. There are others, as is being revealed more and more with the latest archaeological discoveries in the south of Egypt. We should include also the Mesnitu (whom certain researchers identify with the Shemsu Hor) who came from Punt, more precisely from Somalia. Their land was called Ta Neteru ('the land of the gods'). They were mostly metal workers and blacksmiths and ended up eventually dominating the Anu and their Nubian land Ta Seti ('the land of the bond' or 'the land of the prow' according to translation) of Sudan. Gradually the two lands were assimilated into one, Ta Khent ('land of the beginning'). The physical difference between the Anu and the Mesnitu is noted in their jaws: those of the Anu are rounder and short whereas those of the Mesnitu are square like that of Narmer-Menes. But there are also sub-groups within these two groups, such as the Beja (among the Mesnitu) and the Rekhytu people in north (who arrived in the valley of the Nile by Coptos) and groups supporting or mixing with the Anu coming from Sinai and Libya.


Early Egyptian peoples.
The history is complex because there are yet more groups of various origins: the Aamu of Asian style but dressed like Egyptians and living in the mountains of Egypt; the Nehesy, living beyond present-day Sudan, the Temehu of the Western Desert, Libya and the northern coasts of Egypt. All these people were not just simple aboriginal hunters as some think. They had great knowledge and organization; but then where did their knowledge come from in such remote times?

RECENT EXCAVATIONS


Let us examine first the tangible evidence. Human fragments accompanied by signs of civilization, the oldest that archaeology has uncovered in Egypt (though in the coming months we may find things much older still), have been found 250km south of Aswan at Qadan, in ritual burials officially dated to 13,000-9000 BC. It is an undoubted fact that these people were not just simple aborigines; they had tools and knowledge of agriculture and complex rituals. Though this is not yet the high sophistication that we are looking for, we can see that they were much older than the Sumerians and even the Ubaid before them. It is high time that people realized that civilization on Earth probably did not begin in Sumer (an assertion imposed in the 19th century in the biblical context); the story is much more complex than that, as indicated by new evidence coming to light on all sides.

I cannot resist announcing the discovery on 7 May 2009 by a Belgian team, in a mountain cave close to Denderah in southern Egypt, of a skeleton probably dated between 30,000 and 33,000 years ago. And that's not all: the skull was turned towards the east, and several pots were found around the remains, proof of a certain level of culture.


A Mysterious People with Enlarged Skulls


But let us return to the research concerning the group of people with sophisticated knowledge who were apparently much more advanced than others in the arts of civilisation, and who disappeared from Egypt in about 4000 BC.

Professor Walter B. Emery (1903-1971), an excellent archaeologist with 45 years of experience excavating in Egypt and author of the book Archaic Egypt, found in certain tombs the remains of people who lived in pre-dynastic times in the north of Upper Egypt. The features of these bodies and skeletons are incredible. The skulls are of abnormal size and are dolichocephalic, i.e. the cranium as seen from above is oval, and is about 25% longer than it is wide. Some skulls show no sign of the usual sutures. The skeletons are larger than the average for the area and especially the skeletal frame is broader and heavier. He did not hesitate to identify them with the "Followers of Horus" and found that in their lifetime they filled an important priestly role. With regard to the long-headed skulls, it seems that it is not a prehistoric lineage of evolution but rather a lineage coming from a cycle of civilization from before the Flood.

These enlarged skulls have already been found in several regions of the world. Dr. J. Von Tschudi and Mariane E. Rivero in Peru have indentified three pre-Inca dolichocephalic races, the Chinchas, Aymaras and Huancas. They also found that if the Chinchas had a lengthened skull it was because they bandaged the skulls of their children in order to resemble the two other groups, who did not bandage their skulls. They managed to work out that the original group with the most marked natural characteristics were the Chinchas. They preceded the first Inca, Manco Capac, and probably influenced both the Incas and the Maya in later times. Researchers A.H. Verrill and Posnansky point out that the oldest pre-Inca city in Peru, Tiahuanaco, dates from the same time as pre-dynastic Egypt, and enlarged skulls of this period can be seen in Tihuanaco Museum.

It is therefore asserted that there once existed an antediluvian race that has been found here and there all over the world, a race that had a naturally elongated conical skull, as affirmed by some researchers, among them Dr Tschudi, who possesses a fossil from that time of a 7-month-old foetus with a dolichocephalic skull still in the womb of its mother.



Dolichocephalic skull. Dolichocephalic skull in the Regional Museum in Ankash Huaraz, Peru.


All this is far from being "politically correct" because these facts call into question genetics, the history of evolution and beliefs based on the Bible. It is thus only very slowly that people absorb these new but fascinating facts. To cite one example, dolichocephalic skulls have been withdrawn from public view in the museum of Valetta in Malta, undoubtedly to avoid offending the religious sensitivities of some people. Indeed, about 700 of these skulls were found in Malta in the hypogea of Hal Saflieni and the tombs of the megalithic temples of Taxien and Ggantja. It was Dr Anton Mifsud and Dr Charles Savona Ventura who analyzed the skulls and came to the same conclusion as in Peru, identifying three different groups, some of completely "natural" origin, and others that had been bandaged.

This is another even closer link with Egypt. The former name of Malta is Melita, from the Latin mel, 'honey'. The symbol of Malta is a bee with its hexagonal honeycomb. Let us not forget that the symbol of the pharaoh in Egypt is also the bee ('bit') which gives him one of his titles. Honey was reserved for the Pharaoh and the chief priests, and Mel (or Mer) was one of the names given to the pyramids in Egypt. In addition, sun worship prevailed in Malta as in Egypt, and the dolichocephalic caste disappeared at the same time in both countries. In my own research, I've found that there was very probably a migration of these long-headed people from Egypt to Malta, and traces of them are found in Cretan civilization. Be that as it may, this race that seems to have been devoted to the priesthood and teaching, and that kept itself more or less separate, had one point in common everywhere: the building of megalithic monuments. It formed a dominant priestly caste wherever it was. Could these people really be the descendants of an antediluvian race? Perhaps. But are they the famous Shemsu Hor? It's not certain.

The Egyptian hieroglyph of the bee at Luxor, a link with Malta.



Megalithic construction in Malta.

The Shemsu Hor according to the Egyptian Oral Tradition


Today, what says the oral tradition, still alive among certain Egyptians who have been initiated from generation to generation? It says that the term "Shemsu Hor" has been very poorly translated. The meaning "Followers of Horus" is not convincing. For them, the word is initially "Sheshu Hor" and indicates in very early Egyptian, "the evolved principle of man". The phrase "Zep Tepi" that Robert Bauval and Graham Hancock have translated as the "First Time" is for them, and for the British Egyptologist E.A. Raymond, to be translated as "when the gods manifested as humans". The exact sentence found on the walls of the temple of Edfu is: "Ntr ntri hpr m sp tpy", that is to say, "the sanctified god who came to be born at the first time". The keepers of the oral tradition say that these words refer to a time when the divine appeared among humans to raise their consciousness. They say that the humans of that time in Egypt, the Shesh people (whence 'Sheshu Hor'), organized into 42 tribes (which gave later the 42 nomes or regions), were beginning to lose their subtle senses. Indeed, if we now have our five senses today, according to the wisdom keepers at that time we had 365! We have really lost so many of them! The divine beings manifested more and more at that time to try to halt the degradation and the loss of senses among the Shesh, and to try to preserve the communion with the 360 Neters or "the 360 principles of divine creation" (wrongly translated as "gods", as they say). Thus there were in the beginning the Shesh people, consisting of 42 tribes (including the Anu) of various origins, having united and having had prestigious ancestors like Anubis, Osiris, etc., and also a mysterious dolichocephalic race of which we know almost nothing.

One thing is certain: Egypt was an incredible melting pot of mixed races and it will be necessary to make a further serious study of the origins of these people. It is already known from all the documents of ancient Egypt that "the Egyptian people came from the land of Punt". Researchers today are struggling to give this place an exact geographical location, placing it in turn in Ethiopia, in Sudan or elsewhere. To my mind the richest and most convincing thesis is that of the Director of Research at the François Daumas Institute of Egyptology, Dimitri Meeks, who places Punt in Arabia. This is the only fully convincing theory in the light of the texts, and as soon as we can conduct research over there I am sure we will learn much more about the early Egyptians. But the researchers will have to become more open to a new paradigm, that of a very advanced civilization existing long before the last Flood.
paseur de la tradition orale
A wisdom keeper of the oral tradition in Edfu. © Gigal


Copyright: Antoine Gigal
(Translation by Valérie Sandelin with Daniel Winter’s help - from a French article: “L’Egypte d’avant les Pharaons” in the French “Sacrée Planète” magazine – April-May 2010)

Bibliography

•Émile Amélineau, Nouvelles Fouilles d'Abydos, 1895-6, 1896-7 & 1897-8 (full report of the excavations), Paris: Ed. Leroux, 1901, 1902 & 1904-5.
•Émile Amélineau, Prolégomènes à l'étude de la réligion égyptienne, Paris: Ed. Leroux, 1916.
•Dr. G. Elliot Smith, The Ancient Egyptians, Harper, 1923.
•Arthur Posnansky, Tiahuanacu, New York: J.J. Augustin, 1946.
•Randy Koppang, "The Dolichocephaloids: Missing Race of Our Human Family", www.paranoiamagazine.com/articles.html.
•Dimitri Meeks, Chapter 4: "Locating Punt", Mysterious Lands, David B. O'Connor & Stephen Quirke, UCL Press, 2003.
•Anton & Simon Mifsud, Malta Dossier, "Evidence for the Magdalenian", Proprint Co., 1997.
•C. Soaped Ventura, Anton Mifsud, Prehistoric Medicine in Malta, Proprint Co., 1999.
•Anton Mifsud, C. Soaped Ventura, Facets of Maltese Prehistory, Prehistoric Society of Malta, 1999.
•Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of the Gods, Corbaccio, 1996.
•David Rohl, Legend, Piemme, 2000.





Gigal Research 2013 - 2015

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Nobody: 11:58am On Nov 09, 2015
Fulaman198:


All false information, Bantus never lived in the Sahara, kindly stop spreading false information. The Kanuri alongside other Saharan groups had a kingdom that extended into Libya called the Kanem-Bornu Empire. The empire of Kush was 100% Nilotic. In addition, Nilo-Saharan people have always lived within the Nile valley. Bantus don't even come close. Their body type which is typically shorter doesn't have them being a part of the region.

Not that am seeking an E-war. Body type has nothing to do with proximity. There was little tribal intermarriages before the colonization of Africa. Many tribes are still not allowing intermarriages. That is like saying there cannot be a black people living close to light\white skinned people. That is a fact in Asia, pacific islands, etc, and in Africa - even now phenotipic tribal differences exist all over Africa. Any who, you need to study the Halocene climatic period and focus on human settlements at around 5000 Years ago. When the continent was different in terms of climate and geography.

Have you not seen short nilotes? They exist. Many. The Kalenjin are generally shorter than they are tall. Those are the long distance runners of Kenya and sometimes Uganda.

Just how short do you believe Bantus are?
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Fulaman198(m): 7:52pm On Nov 09, 2015
muafrika:


Not that am seeking an E-war. Body type has nothing to do with proximity. There was little tribal intermarriages before the colonization of Africa. Many tribes are still not allowing intermarriages. That is like saying there cannot be a black people living close to light\white skinned people. That is a fact in Asia, pacific islands, etc, and in Africa - even now phenotipic tribal differences exist all over Africa. Any who, you need to study the Halocene climatic period and focus on human settlements at around 5000 Years ago. When the continent was different in terms of climate and geography.

Have you not seen short nilotes? They exist. Many. The Kalenjin are generally shorter than they are tall. Those are the long distance runners of Kenya and sometimes Uganda.

Just how short do you believe Bantus are?

I'm not trying to start an e-war believe me. It's just that from time to time Alanmwene can be just as bad as a certain Somali troll on here (whose name i won't mention because he'll ruin this thread). They believe everything is either Somali or Bantu.

Whereas, I'm being very neutral, as you know I'm not Nilotic. But all the credit I give to the Egypt and Libya pre-Arab are to Nilo-Saharans like the Kanuri, the Tebu/Toubou/Tubu, the Songhai/Zarma/Dendi, the Nubians, and those of the country of Sudan. These regions have always been predominately Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan. Dinka, Nuer, Samburu/Masai, etc. etc.
Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Nobody: 2:48am On Nov 10, 2015
Fulaman198:


I'm not trying to start an e-war believe me. It's just that from time to time Alanmwene can be just as bad as a certain Somali troll on here (whose name i won't mention because he'll ruin this thread). They believe everything is either Somali or Bantu.

Whereas, I'm being very neutral, as you know I'm not Nilotic. But all the credit I give to the Egypt and Libya pre-Arab are to Nilo-Saharans like the Kanuri, the Tebu/Toubou/Tubu, the Songhai/Zarma/Dendi, the Nubians, and those of the country of Sudan. These regions have always been predominately Nilotic/Nilo-Saharan. Dinka, Nuer, Samburu/Masai, etc. etc.
I agree about the Nilotes, and more specifically the Dinka/Nuer. I think the sphinx is Dinka or Nuer,
1.Dinka Woman
2.Sphinx

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by curi00: 8:33pm On Mar 29, 2016
Fulaman198:


Tooroobe are native to Senegal, what are you saying. They are named after Fouta Tooro which comprises both Senegal and Mauritania.

We Fulani in Nigeria have numerous clans more than 20. Like the Kesu'en, Mbororo'en, Etc etc. The Toroobe (like Baaba Maal) are numerous and mainly today exist in Fouta Tooro as fishermen.

We are West African, we are not Ethiopians nor Syrians (that's even more ridiculous). We lived and inhabited North West Africa and have been in the West African region for a minimum of 10,000 years.
I agree with you.
Fulanis have always been in the West but also in the North, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia even Lybia.
They lived also in the Sahara with Berbers and others black African tribes like Soninkes. Arabs have arrived really later in the Sahara.
As the climate went dry and due to some tribal conflicts, black African tribes went down to the South.

Sometimes I laugh when I hear about the sahara's occidental conflict between Morocco and Algeria. They act like Sahara belongs to Berbers and Arabs but historically speaking Sahara belongs to Saharian Black African tribes.

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Fulaman198(m): 9:31pm On Mar 29, 2016
curi00:

I agree with you.
Fulanis have always been in the West but also in the North, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia even Lybia.
They lived also in the Sahara with Berbers and others black African tribes like Soninkes. Arabs have arrived really later in the Sahara.
As the climate went dry and due to some tribal conflicts, black African tribes went down to the South.

Sometimes I laugh when I hear about the sahara's occidental conflict between Morocco and Algeria. They act like Sahara belongs to Berbers and Arabs but historically speaking Sahara belongs to Saharian Black African tribes.

Correct, amongst these Saharan black African ethnic groups, also exist the Kanuri (or the Beri/Zaghawa I guess the Toubou can also be included), the Nubians, Hausa, etc.

Many Berber groups are actually black and how they are considered white today I don't know. Examples are the Gourara in Algerie, the Siwa in Egypt, Kel-Tamasheq (Touaregs), etc. In my experience, the most pure Berbers are the ones living in the mountains segregated from everyone else. If you look at them, they look more black than white.

Another thing, the whites calling themselves Berbers are not true Berbers. These "Berbers" are the ones living on the Mediterranean coast and are heavily mixed with Mamluk, Turk, Greek and Roman ancestry.

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by curi00: 10:36pm On Mar 29, 2016
Fulaman198:


Correct, amongst these Saharan black African ethnic groups, also exist the Kanuri (or the Beri/Zaghawa I guess the Toubou can also be included), the Nubians, Hausa, etc.

Many Berber groups are actually black and how they are considered white today I don't know. Examples are the Gourara in Algerie, the Siwa in Egypt, Kel-Tamasheq (Touaregs), etc. In my experience, the most pure Berbers are the ones living in the mountains segregated from everyone else. If you look at them, they look more black than white.

Another thing, the whites calling themselves Berbers are not true Berbers. These "Berbers" are the ones living on the Mediterranean coast and are heavily mixed with Mamluk, Turk, Greek and Roman ancestry.

I dont know the Kanuri at all so thanks.
To me too Original Berbers are black. They are considered White because some of them are mixed with Hassaniyas Arabs, we call them Moors.
Those White Berbers also descent from White slaves (there was million of whites slaves between 16 an 19 centuries but we never heard about that). They dont have so much about Turk ancestry because Turk brought a lot of people from the slaves countries (Romania, Bulgaria, etc...).
When you say to White Berbers they descent from White Slavrs, they dont like that at all, they'll say no our skin's color has nothing to do with it, we are white because of the climate, Berbers have always been white there was a study about it , etc, etc...but when it concerns Black Berbers, all of sudden they are all slaves descendants.

Apparently, Berbers are originally from Somalia. There was a place in Somalia called The Berberland. They have also the same EB1B1B gene.
But now some false studies say the first North African male was white, etc....

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by GorkoSusaay: 1:48am On Mar 30, 2016
The Sahara desertification theory on the origin of the Fulani is really promising.
There was first a migration westwards, from the Central Sahara to the Senegal/Mali axis (Futa+Kingi+Jafunu) before the other eastward migration that led to the establishment of Fulai communities in Maasina, Liptaako, Kounari-Key, Hausaland, Adamawa and beyond.

Amadou Hampaté Bâ,a famous Fulani historian, took from Senegalese Fulani herders, many myths about the origins. The Heli and Yoyoo legend is about the destruction of the original homeland following severe drought, a bit like the Garden of Eden story.

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Fulaman198(m): 4:53am On Mar 30, 2016
curi00:


I dont know the Kanuri at all so thanks.
To me too Original Berbers are black. They are considered White because some of them are mixed with Hassaniyas Arabs, we call them Moors.
Those White Berbers also descent from White slaves (there was million of whites slaves between 16 an 19 centuries but we never heard about that). They dont have so much about Turk ancestry because Turk brought a lot of people from the slaves countries (Romania, Bulgaria, etc...).
When you say to White Berbers they descent from White Slavrs, they dont like that at all, they'll say no our skin's color has nothing to do with it, we are white because of the climate, Berbers have always been white there was a study about it , etc, etc...but when it concerns Black Berbers, all of sudden they are all slaves descendants.

Apparently, Berbers are originally from Somalia. There was a place in Somalia called The Berberland. They have also the same EB1B1B gene.
But now some false studies say the first North African male was white, etc....

Lol don't believe the misinformation spread by toubabs in regards to Africa ever lol.

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Re: Who Are The Fulani People And Their Origins? by Ihuomadinihu: 7:31am On Mar 30, 2016
MrPresident1:
The Fulani are Hamites, they are descendants of ancient Egyptians, ancient Egypt was a Hamitic empire. Somalis are ancient Egyptians too, so you see they resemble themselves, they are Hamites, Fulani and Somalis and they do not like mixing with people they call Bantus, or Negroes. The have derogatory names for them eg the Somalis call the Negroes Adoon or Jareer both having derogatory meanings. They do not like mixing with Negroes, they can marry your women but will never ever allow you near their women.
Of course,people like to limit bantus and other black negroid groups to the forest of interior Africa. That is nonesense in my opinion. Many West African mythologies posses stories of people coming/migrating from a northern axis. It will be ridiculous to deny the existence of these stories until further studies are made.
A close examination of Nsibidi and Egyptian hieroglyphics has revealed close relationship between both.

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