Erdogan's comeuppance will surely come. This is a megalomaniac who has facilitated the activities of the murderous and evil Daesh/IS and whose son and daughter run IS's illicit oil trade and healthcare services respectively. Russia is absolutely within its rights to target those Turkmen that allow these trade and atrocious activities continue across the border. Erdogan is just ma.d that Russia is bombing his beloved "moderate terrorists" and destroying his lucrative business.

It is also possible that the Turkish military in all honesty couldn't identify the downed Russian plane ( just a small possibility) since Erdogan is actually using officers within the Turkish intelligence services to carry his nefarious activities. Erdogan has however systematically purged the military of officers that stand in the way of his plans.

Over the next couple of days/weeks, these are the possible scenarios that could play out:

1. Erdogan may be cra.zy (and desperate) enough to shoot or attempt to shoot down another Russian plane which I have no doubt in my mind that Putin this time around -despite his cautious and cool demeanour - will respond in kind by shooting down a Turkish jet (Failure to do so will be a big blow to Russia's prestige). If this happens, you can bet that Turkey and NATO will make a big issue out of it, protest and demonize Putin and perhaps slap more sanctions BUT just like in the case of a Russian jet being shot down in the first incident, that would be the end of it! It won't lead into a major hot war between NATO and Russia - at least not for now.


2. Erdogan conducts himself properly and refrains from shooting down or attempting to shoot down anymore Russian jets. However he will double down on his support for ISIS in order to suck Russia deeper into an untenable Syrian quagmire.

In either case, Russia will stay the course and will slowly but surely (despite increasing casualties)help the legitimate Syrian government recover territory lost to ISIS. All this happening as Russia also engages in asymmetric warfare by hitting Turkey where it really hurts - tourism (already happening), arming the PKK, covert assassinations, etc.

Again, I must stress that Russia will only respond with force if another Turkish aircraft poses an immediate threat to Russian aircraft. So those you that have been busy flaying all over the forum goading admirers of Putin and trying to score cheap points by stressing at every turn that Putin has failed to responded in kind, will remain sorely disappointed. The best revenge Putin can administer at the moment is to continue to bomb ISIS and their facilitators into oblivion. Putin will remain cool, calm and focused. He has in fact played a fantastic card by asking Turkey to join the anti ISIS coalition. Should Turkey fail to do so, it shall be laid bare for the whole world to see whose side Turkey is


By the way, I don't understand the hypocrisy when folks on here state that the Russian pilots were warned several times by the Turkish authorities when Turkey itself has violated Greek airspace, as of this morning, over 2244 times this year alone. Turkish, American, Canadian, French, etc planes have also violated Syrian and Iraqi airspace with abandon as well. I don't see anyone pointing that out!

vedaxcool:


That guy is crazy, Putin will strike quietly a code word for do nothing, Destroy all of Europe means stealing some land from ukarine, this digusting liar and peddlers of falsehood would argue blindly about how the rebels in Syria are terrorist but with the same smelly mouths defend russia support of militants in East Ukarine, their falsehood resembles that of their grand patron Putin who lies day and night, we are not in East Ukarine, we are fighting ISIS. . . this peeps are just not serious!

I couldn't have said it better. They blame Turkey for supporting ISIS but will not talk about Russia supporting another band of terrorists in Eastern Ukraine. Some are even calling for Putin to arm the PKK against the Turkish state but will cry fowl if Saudi arm their proxies against the Syrian state. They want Russia to activate covert assassins in Turkey but will be waling here when another rouge country like Israel assassinates Iranian scientist on Iranian soil.

Putin is keeping a cool head and wise by not responding in kind but Obama was weak when Russia took Crimea and Russia only got a slap on the wrist. Russia can invade a sovereign country in the name of NATO enlargement and security but America is evil when it invades another country for whatever fraudulent reason.

They will tell you that Turkey is buying oil from ISIS but feign ignorance that the Syrian state is doing the same and a Russian bank is involved in the same illegal deals.

They will be open numerous threads telling us how America and CIA is ISIS but wont tell us how the FSB as been purposely sending jihadist to join ISIS

Here is the funniest part, According to Putin's pant sniffers, Russia was baited by turkey in other to drag her into a confrontation with NATO. The same confrontation Putin trolls tell us they can win so why are they scared of a bait when victory is assured?

Some Fvckhead even said Turkey got the green light from hard-line NATO partners to blow up the Russian jet and he later said Turkey will be on her own. So if Turkey got a green light to attack Russia, why will she be on her own when the deed is done in other to drag Russia into a conflict?

Promhize:

" At the request of Turkey, the North Atlantic Council will hold an extraordinary meeting at (1600 GMT). The aim of this extraordinary NAC is for Turkey to inform Allies about the downing of a Russian airplane," the official told AFP."

link?

ishiamu:


What has blacks got to do with turkish shooting down a Russian jet?? You high?

but why are you jumping around like a monkey, azzlicking Putin and Russia?

Missy89:



I couldn't have said it better. They blame Turkey for supporting ISIS but will not talk about Russia supporting another band of terrorists in Eastern Ukraine. Some are even calling for Putin to arm the PKK against the Turkish state but will cry fowl if Saudi arm their proxies against the Syrian state. They want Russia to activate covert assassins in Turkey but will be waling here when another rouge country like Israel assassinates Iranian scientist on Iranian soil.

Putin is keeping a cool head and wise by not responding in kind but Obama was weak when Russia took Crimea and Russia only got a slap on the wrist. Russia can invade a sovereign country in the name of NATO enlargement and security but America is evil when it invades another country for whatever fraudulent reason.

They will tell you that Turkey is buying oil from ISIS but feign ignorance that the Syrian state is doing the same and a Russian bank is involved in the same illegal deals.

They will be open numerous threads telling us how America and CIA is ISIS but wont tell us how the FSB as been purposely sending jihadist to join ISIS

Here is the funniest part, According to Putin's pant sniffers, Russia was baited by turkey in other to drag her into a confrontation with NATO. The same confrontation Putin trolls tell us they can win so why are they scared of a bait when victory is assured?

Some Fvckhead even said Turkey got the green light from hard-line NATO partners to blow up the Russian jet and he later said Turkey will be on her own. So if Turkey got a green light to attack Russia, why will she be on her own when the deed is done in other to drag Russia into a conflict?

My sister this numskulls have little inkling of common decency, one would think there were crusading for justice but their wrap understanding of justice seems to be support all the rubbish Russia and other crminial elements do as long as it opposes the US, life is hardly black or white, it is grey, the US does some good and does lots of evil, but this does not make Russia a saint in any way, nor does it legitimise what Russia do. The silly Putin has resorted to economic attacks on Turkey, rather than Military attacks, this goes to show how dymistified Putin has become, all the strongmanism and machismo people attributed to him has been evaporated in one shot from Turkey, Putin is no long brave but cool headed actor, LMAO

Turkey to Putin,

[size=18pt]
WE WOULD DO IT AGAIN[/size]

"[size=28pt]If the same incursion happens today, Turkey will be obliged to retaliate[/size]."
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2015/11/turkey-assad-ankara-backing-isil-151126155256249.html

Underground:
[s]Erdogan's comeuppance will surely come. This is a megalomaniac who has facilitated the activities of the murderous and evil Daesh/IS and whose son and daughter run IS's illicit oil trade and healthcare services respectively. Russia is absolutely within its rights to target those Turkmen that allow these trade and atrocious activities continue across the border. Erdogan is just ma.d that Russia is bombing his beloved "moderate terrorists" and destroying his lucrative business.

It is also possible that the Turkish military in all honesty couldn't identify the downed Russian plane ( just a small possibility) since Erdogan is actually using officers within the Turkish intelligence services to carry his nefarious activities. Erdogan has however systematically purged the military of officers that stand in the way of his plans.

Over the next couple of days/weeks, these are the possible scenarios that could play out:

1. Erdogan may be cra.zy (and desperate) enough to shoot or attempt to shoot down another Russian plane which I have no doubt in my mind that Putin this time around -despite his cautious and cool demeanour - will respond in kind by shooting down a Turkish jet (Failure to do so will be a big blow to Russia's prestige). If this happens, you can bet that Turkey and NATO will make a big issue out of it, protest and demonize Putin and perhaps slap more sanctions BUT just like in the case of a Russian jet being shot down in the first incident, that would be the end of it! It won't lead into a major hot war between NATO and Russia - at least not for now.


2. Erdogan conducts himself properly and refrains from shooting down or attempting to shoot down anymore Russian jets. However he will double down on his support for ISIS in order to suck Russia deeper into an untenable Syrian quagmire.

In either case, Russia will stay the course and will slowly but surely (despite increasing casualties)help the legitimate Syrian government recover territory lost to ISIS. All this happening as Russia also engages in asymmetric warfare by hitting Turkey where it really hurts - tourism (already happening), arming the PKK, covert assassinations, etc.

Again, I must stress that Russia will only respond with force if another Turkish aircraft poses an immediate threat to Russian aircraft. So those you that have been busy flaying all over the forum goading admirers of Putin and trying to score cheap points by stressing at every turn that Putin has failed to responded in kind, will remain sorely disappointed. The best revenge Putin can administer at the moment is to continue to bomb ISIS and their facilitators into oblivion. Putin will remain cool, calm and focused. He has in fact played a fantastic card by asking Turkey to join the anti ISIS coalition. Should Turkey fail to do so, it shall be laid bare for the whole world to see whose side Turkey is


By the way, I don't understand the hypocrisy when folks on here state that the Russian pilots were warned several times by the Turkish authorities when Turkey itself has violated Greek airspace, as of this morning, over 2244 times this year alone. Turkish, American, Canadian, French, etc planes have also violated Syrian and Iraqi airspace with abandon as well. I don't see anyone pointing that out![/s]

[b]Putin the sore coward & supporter "Terrorist" IN East Ukraine , and murderous Regime that has killed more civilians than ISIS, nonsensical Putin buttlickers that have no sense of human dignity, if you ever had the decency ask yourself one thing, is one man remaining in POWER WHAT THE LIVES OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE? COMMON SENSE THEY SAY IS NOT COMMON, AND SORRY TURKEY HAS BOMB ISIS SEVERALLY (AS FAR BACK AS JULY AND HAS REJECTED CLAIM OF PURCHASING THEIR OIL, BUT WE KNOW AS LONG AS YOUR MASTER PUTIN SAYS THEY DO, YOU WOULD BELEIVE THEY DO, HOW PATHETIC IS THE PUTIN BUTTLICKERS' LIFE ARE! AND NICCUR PLEASE SYRIA HARBORS TERRORIST, IT IS A FAILED STATE INCAPABLE OF CONTROLLING ITS TERRITORY. EVEN NIGERIA IS ALLOWED TO BOMB PLACES IN SYRIA[/b]

vedaxcool:


My sister this numskulls have little inkling of common decency, one would think there were crusading for justice but their wrap understanding of justice seems to be support all the rubbish Russia and other crminial elements do as long as it opposes the US, life is hardly black or white, it is grey, the US does some good and does lots of evil, but this does not make Russia a saint in any way, nor does it legitimise what Russia do. The silly Putin has resorted to economic attacks on Turkey, rather than Military attacks, this goes to show how dymistified Putin has become, all the strongmanism and machismo people attributed to him has been evaporated in one shot from Turkey, Putin is no long brave but cool headed actor, LMAO

A Russian bank was just sanctioned for facilitating Oil deals with ISIS for Syria. Do not expect these shameless liars to open a thread on that. They will call it a false flag or an American conspiracy to weaken Russia because the Rothschild family is trying to control Russia's oil and force them to eat McDonalds in other to enslave mankind so that there will be one world government and to facilitate the final take over by the reptilian Illuminati cult that will force the mark on the beast on our foreheads.

Missy89:


A Russian bank was just sanctioned for facilitating Oil deals with ISIS for Syria. Do not expect these shameless liars to open a thread on that. They will call it a false flag or an American conspiracy to weaken Russia because the Rothschild family is trying to control Russia's oil and force them to eat McDonalds in other to enslave mankind so that there will be one world government and to facilitate the final take over by the reptilian Illuminati cult that will force the mark on the beast on our foreheads.

Buhahaha yet the Putinmaniacs would not say anything about a Russian bank doing oil deals with ISIS! It is difficult holding a conversation with people whose only understanding of life comes from their distorted imaginations, it is conspiracy, it is a false flag operation. These dudes are just crazy!

SkinnyDude:
but why are you jumping around like a monkey, azzlicking Putin and Russia?

Cos he does what is right, he stands for what is just

mazeltov:
Putin is not only the problem bro , the main problem are these midgets on nairaland who have been lost in forest of illusion, see what one of them posted

Keep deceiving yourself.... usa and it's allies wants to turn syria to libya.... am glad a gideon stood for syria they can't do shit...

mazeltov:
to be enlighten that Russia will wipe out the whole Europe just like that? Please just tell me the title of the movie again. I need to watch it.

No 1 wins a war against Russia, go and make use google and browse

ishiamu:


No 1 wins a war against Russia, go and make use google and browse

lolzz self-illusion!!, You have been well fed with media propaganda hence but it's not your fault but the limitation of your knowledge in history, facts and records!!
Did you remeber how little Afghanistan defeated Russia in afghan war? Or maybe you don't know how to use google. Well, let me unyoke your ignorance ....
http://www.socialismtoday.org/61/repreint.html

ishiamu:


Keep deceiving yourself.... usa and it's allies wants to turn syria to libya.... am glad a gideon stood for syria they can't do shit...

no son, Usa and its allies wants to turn syria to afghan

mazeltov:
no son, Usa and its allies wants to turn syria to afghan

Afghan is berraa than libya, libya is now a failed state, stop arguing blindly

mazeltov:
lolzz self-illusion!!, You have been well fed with media propaganda hence but it's not your fault but the limitation of your knowledge in history, facts and records!!
Did you remeber how little Afghanistan defeated Russia in afghan war? Or maybe you don't know how to use google. Well, let me unyoke your ignorance ....
http://www.socialismtoday.org/61/repreint.html

The link you dropped is shit... they only withdrew their forces was that a defeat in a country that theirs... the battle was like 10 against 1... whr Saudi, usa, uk, and all sunni countries was assisting afghanistan boy wake up... why not read about the Cuban missile crisis?? whr Russia would have finished u.s.a if they didn't do as Russia ordered... use ya google and read it up... Russia can destroy any country be it usa... just know that...

ishiamu:


Afghan is berraa than libya, libya is now a failed state, stop arguing blindly

who is comparing Afghan with Libya, do you know how to read at all?
if you don't know about something, don't feel too big to ask from someone who is more knowledgable than you. When you said Russia has never lost any war, I proved you wrong with facts, - that alone shows that you are one of those kids out there on the street who like being fed with propaganda. Let me help you out, Focus on your studies first, you are too small to know about past world war records. Have a nice day boy!!

mazeltov:
who is comparing Afghan with Libya, do you know how to read at all?
if you don't know about something, don't feel too big to ask from someone who is more knowledgable than you. When you said Russia has never lost any war, I proved you wrong with facts, - that alone shows that you are one of those kids out there on the street who like being fed with propaganda. Let me help you out, Focus on your studies first, you are too small to know about past world war records. Have a nice day boy!!

When you got nothing to say you resort to spewing trash, you prooved nothing with all those propaganda links.... I told you no one wins a war against Russia state and I stand by it... proove me wrong not telling me afghan this afghan that..

ishiamu:


The link you dropped is shit... they only withdrew their forces was that a defeat in a country that theirs... the battle was like 10 against 1... whr Saudi, usa, uk, and all sunni countries was assisting afghanistan

Go tell it to the mountains and stop lamenting!! The way Russia assisted Vietnam in Viet war was the way America assisted Afghan in afghan war . The link is poo? Lwkmd ok read this http://www.afghan-web.com/history/articles/ussr.html

ishiamu:


When you got nothing to say you resort to spewing trash, you prooved nothing with all those propaganda links.... I told you no one wins a war against Russia state and I stand by it... proove me wrong not telling me afghan this afghan that..

Lolzz, propaganda link? Hahahahaha, sorry is your case oo

mazeltov:
Lolzz, propaganda link? Hahahahaha, sorry is your case oo

You read the Cuban missile crisis?

mazeltov:
Go tell it to the mountains and stop lamenting!! The way Russia assisted Vietnam in Viet war was the way America assisted Afghan in afghan war . The link is poo? Lwkmd ok read this http://www.afghan-web.com/history/articles/ussr.html

The fear of putin is the beginning of peace..

ishiamu:


You read the Cuban missile crisis?

stop changing argument. You said Russia has never lost any war before and I am proving you wrong by posting links, Is Cuban missiles crisis the only war Russia fought?
Have you forgotten the scenario of Tsar and Russia? For centuries tsars ruled Russia and those periods came to an end during the Russian revolution in the year 1917 and yet the events changed
Russia completely and brought the people a new form of government when Russian people were treated very badly during the reign of the tsars and at the end of the 19th century many people in the countryside were peasants and they had little
food to eat and lived in poverty in fact they didn’t have any power either. As society the changed, then more and more people started living in cities and some became factory workers and turned into a new middle class. They didn’t like the tsar and wanted more power from him.
After a small rebellion in 1905 Tsar Nicholas II created a kind of parliament called the Duma. But the tsar himself was not willing to
give up his power and then he dissolved the Duma after a few months. During World War I Russia’s army lost many soldiers in their fight against the Germans.
The winter of 1916/17 was very harsh and many people had little food to eat and not very much fuel to heat their houses. They
wanted Russia to stop the war.
Tsar Nicholas II of Russia February 1917 Finally , in February 1917 large demonstrations against the tsar started in Petrograd which is today’s St. Petersburg and the Russian army joined the demonstrators and turned against the him . Nicholas II was forced to give up. After the tsar had stepped down from power the Duma set up a new government , but it couldn’t manage the problems that Russia had. At the same time groups of workers set up so-called “Soviets”. They were first organised in St. Petersburg but quickly spread throughout the country. As the Duma’s government became weaker the power of the Soviets became stronger. Many different political groups in these Soviets fought for power. In the end, the Bolsheviks, led by Vladimir Lenin, took over
control. Most of the population liked the Bolsheviks because they promised the people “ peace, land and bread”.
In October 1917 the Bolsheviks took over the government in Russia and Lenin became the most powerful man in the country. All other political parties were
forbidden. Under the Bolsheviks all land was put under the control of the state. The tsar and the
Russian church lost a lot of their land. The new party introduced an 8 hour workday and gave workers more control over the factories. Soldiers entered the new Red
Army. Lenin quickly pulled Russia out of World War I. He signed a treaty with the Germans at Brest-Litovsk in early 1918. Under this
treaty Russia lost about a fourth of its territory. Georgia, Ukraine and Finland became independent countries. Poland and the Baltic states fell under German control.
Soon, the Bolsheviks changed their name to the Communist Party. Please go and make proper research before you start exposing your ignorance.

mazeltov:
stop changing argument. You said Russia has never lost any war before and I am proving you wrong by posting links, Is Cuban missiles crisis the only war Russia fought?
Have you forgotten the scenario of Tsar and Russia? For centuries tsars ruled Russia and those periods came to an end during the Russian revolution in the year 1917 and yet the events changed
Russia completely and brought the people a new form of government when Russian people were treated very badly during the reign of the tsars and at the end of the 19th century many people in the countryside were peasants and they had little
food to eat and lived in poverty in fact they didn’t have any power either. As society the changed, then more and more people started living in cities and some became factory workers and turned into a new middle class. They didn’t like the tsar and wanted more power from him.
After a small rebellion in 1905 Tsar Nicholas II created a kind of parliament called the Duma. But the tsar himself was not willing to
give up his power and then he dissolved the Duma after a few months. During World War I Russia’s army lost many soldiers in their fight against the Germans.
The winter of 1916/17 was very harsh and many people had little food to eat and not very much fuel to heat their houses. They
wanted Russia to stop the war.
Tsar Nicholas II of Russia February 1917 Finally , in February 1917 large demonstrations against the tsar started in Petrograd which is today’s St. Petersburg and the Russian army joined the demonstrators and turned against the him . Nicholas II was forced to give up. After the tsar had stepped down from power the Duma set up a new government , but it couldn’t manage the problems that Russia had. At the same time groups of workers set up so-called “Soviets”. They were first organised in St. Petersburg but quickly spread throughout the country. As the Duma’s government became weaker the power of the Soviets became stronger. Many different political groups in these Soviets fought for power. In the end, the Bolsheviks, led by Vladimir Lenin, took over
control. Most of the population liked the Bolsheviks because they promised the people “ peace, land and bread”.
In October 1917 the Bolsheviks took over the government in Russia and Lenin became the most powerful man in the country. All other political parties were
forbidden. Under the Bolsheviks all land was put under the control of the state. The tsar and the
Russian church lost a lot of their land. The new party introduced an 8 hour workday and gave workers more control over the factories. Soldiers entered the new Red
Army. Lenin quickly pulled Russia out of World War I. He signed a treaty with the Germans at Brest-Litovsk in early 1918. Under this
treaty Russia lost about a fourth of its territory. Georgia, Ukraine and Finland became independent countries. Poland and the Baltic states fell under German control.
Soon, the Bolsheviks changed their name to the Communist Party. Please go and make proper research before you start exposing your ignorance.

Nice copy and paste... I said no one has won a war against Russia state take it or leave it

ishiamu:


Nice copy and paste... I said no one has won a war against Russia state take it or leave it

Yes I copied it, Russia even lost badly was to the Mongol Hordes (from 1235 CE), which actually broke Rus into 3 components. Go and make thorough research and stop posting fallacy!!

ishiamu:


The fear of putin is the beginning of peace..

what do you expect from someone who was born in 1990s. Go and read history very well and stop exposing your ignorance. Have you forgotten chechen war too? Lwkmd!!

mazeltov:
what do you expect from someone who was born in 1990s. Go and read history very well and stop exposing your ignorance. Have you forgotten chechen war too? Lwkmd!!

Stop guessing age you might be the 1990 kid here... chenchen rebel that was crushed by putin?? dude wake up

This will help you

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

mazeltov:
Yes I copied it, Russia even lost badly was to the Mongol Hordes (from 1235 CE), which actually broke Rus into 3 components. Go and make thorough research and stop posting fallacy!!

1235 Whr u alive then?? LoL...

ishiamu:


Stop guessing age you might be the 1990 kid here... chenchen rebel that was crushed by putin?? dude wake up

This will help you

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

Yes I was so concerned because I don't expect any grown man to say Russia has never lost any war. And what about the first Chechen war between 11th of Dec 1994 to 31st of August 1996? Victory huh? Olodo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War Open the link and read it and when you read it, tell me what you gain from it. Afterall Russia has never lost any war!!

mazeltov:
Yes I was so concerned because I don't expect any grown man to say Russia has never lost any war. And what about the first Chechen war between 11th of Dec 1994 to 31st of August 1996? Victory huh? Olodo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War Open the link and read it and when you read it, tell me what you gain from it. Afterall Russia has never lost any war!!

Ok you prooved me wrong... but a new sheriff is in town... an ex Kgb agent so it's not business as usual

ishiamu:


Ok you prooved me wrong... but a new sheriff is in town... an ex Kgb agent so it's not business as usual

lwkmd!! Abeg go sleep. Mr Russia has never lost any war

Underground:
Erdogan's comeuppance will surely come. This is a megalomaniac who has facilitated the activities of the murderous and evil Daesh/IS and whose son and daughter run IS's illicit oil trade and healthcare services respectively. Russia is absolutely within its rights to target those Turkmen that allow these trade and atrocious activities continue across the border. Erdogan is just ma.d that Russia is bombing his beloved "moderate terrorists" and destroying his lucrative business.

It is also possible that the Turkish military in all honesty couldn't identify the downed Russian plane ( just a small possibility) since Erdogan is actually using officers within the Turkish intelligence services to carry his nefarious activities. Erdogan has however systematically purged the military of officers that stand in the way of his plans.

Over the next couple of days/weeks, these are the possible scenarios that could play out:

1. Erdogan may be cra.zy (and desperate) enough to shoot or attempt to shoot down another Russian plane which I have no doubt in my mind that Putin this time around -despite his cautious and cool demeanour - will respond in kind by shooting down a Turkish jet (Failure to do so will be a big blow to Russia's prestige). If this happens, you can bet that Turkey and NATO will make a big issue out of it, protest and demonize Putin and perhaps slap more sanctions BUT just like in the case of a Russian jet being shot down in the first incident, that would be the end of it! It won't lead into a major hot war between NATO and Russia - at least not for now.


2. Erdogan conducts himself properly and refrains from shooting down or attempting to shoot down anymore Russian jets. However he will double down on his support for ISIS in order to suck Russia deeper into an untenable Syrian quagmire.

In either case, Russia will stay the course and will slowly but surely (despite increasing casualties)help the legitimate Syrian government recover territory lost to ISIS. All this happening as Russia also engages in asymmetric warfare by hitting Turkey where it really hurts - tourism (already happening), arming the PKK, covert assassinations, etc.

Again, I must stress that Russia will only respond with force if another Turkish aircraft poses an immediate threat to Russian aircraft. So those you that have been busy flaying all over the forum goading admirers of Putin and trying to score cheap points by stressing at every turn that Putin has failed to responded in kind, will remain sorely disappointed. The best revenge Putin can administer at the moment is to continue to bomb ISIS and their facilitators into oblivion. Putin will remain cool, calm and focused. He has in fact played a fantastic card by asking Turkey to join the anti ISIS coalition. Should Turkey fail to do so, it shall be laid bare for the whole world to see whose side Turkey is


By the way, I don't understand the hypocrisy when folks on here state that the Russian pilots were warned several times by the Turkish authorities when Turkey itself has violated Greek airspace, as of this morning, over 2244 times this year alone. Turkish, American, Canadian, French, etc planes have also violated Syrian and Iraqi airspace with abandon as well. I don't see anyone pointing that out!

Well spoken: straight to the point and a practical, realistic analysis of the situation. Not one dwelling on fantasy or wishful thinking. Alas, again, you asked some simple questions, and yet again, they failed to answer.

The thing is, people, when you are a loser and you are losing, you will do anything to "shake up" the situation for a possible opportunity to change your misfortunes.

Turkey is desperate and Turkey will resort to desperate measures to keep its ISIS lifeline alive.

-Do the weapons that ISIS use fall out of thin air? No! They are shipped across borders.
-Do fighters miraculously appear on the battlefield? No! They have to cross these wonderful imaginary line called borders.
-Does the financial resources to wage war fall unto the laps of Jihadists outta heaven? No! They ALWAYS have accomplices that make this possible.

Turkey is totally complicit in the aiding and abetting of ISIS and Putin is doing God's work in rooting this evil, rotten scourge off the face of the earth. Erdogan personally is neck deep, along side his son and his daughter in providing material and financial aid to ISIS. Their company and hospital has been outed as part of this terror network. This can no longer be ignored and as the days and months go by, it would become irrefutably clear to even the most naive and/or stubborn of detractors.

Even the US Vice President Joe Biden, in a moment of candor (or perhaps flash of senility, as Underground has mentioned), as far back as 2014, outed Turkey as a sponsor of ISIS. A PressTV reporter Serena Shim while courageously investigating columns of truck loaded with arms and ammunition being shipped from Turkey into Syria, was killed in a mysterious car crash of whose investigation (or even lack thereof) has been shrouded in secrecy and marked with intimidation of truth seekers into the crash. A German magazine also carried the story of these trucks shipping arms into Syria. And just today, it was reported by RT (Russia's propaganda network according to an enlightened few ) that a Turkish newspaper editor was charged to court for 'espionage' after revealing weapon convoy to Syrian militants.
For your reading pleasure, I have taken the liberty to provide the links to these stories:

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/05/politics/isis-biden-erdogan-apology/index.html
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/19/382854/press-tv-reporter-in-turkey-killed/
http://www.dw.com/en/is-supply-channels-through-turkey/av-18091048
https://www.rt.com/news/323557-turkey-arrests-editor-cumhuriyet/

^^^These are just a few examples.

Detractors will never address the real issues. They will prance all over the threads looking to pick fights by using colourful gutter language and derogatory Putin monikers to drive home their point drivel. They will avoid answering straightforward questions and twist facts to support their flawed narrative. They will sometimes throw in a bit of sensational conspiracy theories such as the banking elite and the Rothschilds and the reptilian illuminati and one world government (NWO) and so forth in a weak and futile attempt to discredit or ridicule people that harbour anti-Western views. BUT unfortunately for them, their jig is up. People have become more aware and don't buy their B.S. any longer.

Speaking of twisting facts, here are a few examples:

The U.S rather than sanction banks that facilitate ISIS's illicit crude oil sales, instead targeted Russian banks that assist the Syrian government sell its oil. The morbidly anti-Putin and ant-Russian geniuses in Nairaland have now flipped that story and claimed that these Russian banks in truth were helping ISIS! Lol!
16 months after Barrack Obama proclaimed that the US was going to "degrade and ultimately destroy ISIS", it has only just started to bomb ISIS -after Russia initiated this move- and is still yet to sanction companies or countries that help ISIS sell this oil in the international market.
So much for degrading and ultimately destroying ISIS!!
In fact ISIS took over more territory (Palmyra for instance) as the US carried out its fake bombing of ISIS.

What's more, PBS has been busted to trying to pass off a Russian ISIS oil tanker strike as American. Do not be foo.led people, America isn't fully committed to fighting ISIS and as a recently declassified DIA report indicated, America willfully allowed ISIS to emerge and did nothing to stop its sponsors and facilitators in the mold of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel and Jordan. ISIS is America's proxy army being used in an ultimately futile attempt to topple the Syrian government.

Other propaganda that these detractors will spew is to equate the people of the Donbass in Eastern Ukraine with the ISIS terrorists in a mind-boggling and nonsensical accusation of Russia's hypocrisy. They forget that these Ukranian rebels unlike the murderous lunatics in Syria and Iraq do not engage in terror acts, they do not stage mass executions and beheadings, they do not espouse a sick and twisted ideology, amongst others. These rebels who are mostly of Russian ethnicity, in Eastern Ukraine have only asked, in the spirit of self-determination, to cease to be part of a country run by a putsch regime with members within the cabinet that have neo-nazi ties and harbour morbidly anti Russian views. These rebels of the LPR and DPR have even asked to rejoin mother Russia but Putin, perhaps holding unto hope of a detente with the West has turned down the request of the LPR and DPR. Putin has however used the diplomatic angle (Minsk 1 and Minsk 2) to de-escalate the situation in the hope for peaceful resolution of the crisis. Putin has shown over and over again that he is capable of wielding the diplomatic stick just as well as the military one. That he has got the tact and will to see this through to the end. He isn't called a master chess player for nothing and for those that say he has lost his prestige and his aura because he hasn't rushed into launching a misguided military attack on Turkey should cast their minds to the scene in the Game of Thrones whereupon The Red Viper foo.l.ishly blinded by his arrogance, believed he had outwitted and outpaced a gentle and patient giant in the person of The Mountain, thumped his chest, let down his guard and prematurely celebrated his 'victory' only to face a utterly rude shock...

The SAA and the Iraqi Army, following the Russian intervention are gradually winning back lost territory one day at a time, one village at a time, one town at a time until hopefully their countries are fully rid of these jihadists perpetuated by the West and its allies. This is another example of another piece of good news as reported this morning:
Iraq cuts ‘last ISIS supply line’ into Ramadi, retakes Palestine Bridge

Even allies within the Western sphere are gradually waking up and realizing the need to work within a Russian coalition. This was French president yesterday, side by side with his Russian counterpart in Moscow calling for the need for cooperation with Russia.

French and German politicians are also voicing out, asking that unfounded sanctions against Russia be dropped. French lawmakers have visited Crimea and asked that the demonizing stop and sanctions be lifted and so forth.

So much for the isolation of Russia!

I can cite countless examples from European and American scholars, journalists, politicians, key government officials and even intelligence officials calling for rapprochement with Russia.

Finally, here is the news coing out of Turkey this morning:
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Ankara Suspends Air Force Flights Over Syria After Attack on Su-24 - Media

According to Turkish media, Ankara halted the flights of its aviation over Syria.

ANKARA (Sputnik) – Turkey has suspended its Air Force flights over Syria in the international coalition campaign in the fight against the Islamic State after the downing of the Russian Su-24 Fencer bomber, Turkey’s Hurriyet newspaper reported Friday, citing diplomatic sources.
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Considering that the pro-Western corner has been the loudest, prancing about with braggadocio, taunting, goading, and daring strong man Putin to do his worst - and after the formidable S400 air defense has now been deployed - tell me who is turkeying chickening out now?

mazeltov:
lwkmd!! Abeg go sleep. Mr Russia has never lost any war

Putin the most powerful man in the world