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| Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:56am On Dec 01, 2015 |
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| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by aog: 11:58am On Dec 01, 2015 |
good |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by Sharksblow(m): 12:27pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
end time news |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by Aceed: 1:04pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
Its high time Russia started extending her 'reach'  |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by Appleyard(m): 10:23pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
Turkey have started a fight it must now have to finish. This is a really tense moment. |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by Missy89(f): 11:04pm On Dec 01, 2015 |
Appleyard: Dont tell me you believe this nonsense. Come on now 3 Likes |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by NairaMinted: 12:07am On Dec 02, 2015 |
We'be got to be careful with the news we share. The real news has to be separated from fantasy and this is looking like fantasy to me. Granted, Russia may have deployed more troops to Syria but surely not on this sensational level along the Turkish/Armenian border |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by Appleyard(m): 12:11pm On Dec 02, 2015 |
Missy89:Minus the US and France that are coordinating their flights with the Russians, the Syrian airspace is practically over for Turkey, and that is no nonesense. If you understand the Russians like i suppose you do, then you should know that they are, like the hyena, perfectly waiting for the opportunity to present itself, but the Turks must have anticipated this, hence, the complete grounding of all their flights into Syria, following the S400 deployment. The truth is, as far as Syria is concerned, Erdogan has more to lose than any other side in the conflict. It's shipments of weapons and men to it's proxies in Syria, continued to be bombed, the Turkmen are now under heavy bombardment both from Syrian ground and Russian airforces, and it can no longer fly missions into Syria, while back home, trouble is blewing even among his own military ranks: the recent treatment meted out to journalist further create more resentment and excuses for some European nations like France, Germany and Greece, that opposes Turkey's acession into the EU. The downing of the Su24 has completely exposed and undone Erdogan, not withstanding the NATO rhetorical stance (which is more of a feigned show of solidarity), little wonder the man is so desperate to sort things out with Putin. As far as Europe is concerned, the man has shot himself on the foot big time. 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by vedaxcool(m): 12:21pm On Dec 02, 2015 |
Missy89: Only sensible comment in this thread! The op I thought lying is forbidden in your religion? 1 Like |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by Missy89(f): 1:41pm On Dec 02, 2015 |
Appleyard: I doubt Europe was ever going to allow Turkey join the EU in the first place even before any incident. The downing of the plane will not affect Erdogan in anyway contrary to what you might want to believe since Russia does not have any way to respond in other to hurt Turkey. Even if Russians stop coming to Turkey, It wont crash the tourism industry there (can only slow it down) since more people visit from the EU anyway. It cant cut off gas supplies since it will open up markets for countries like Azerbaijan or Iran . Instead of risking that, Russia is imposing new costs on her citizen and hoping it can offset them by inflammatory propaganda. like you said, Turkey has more to loose when it comes to Syria hence her aggressiveness in pursuing her interests. Russia did the same in Ukriane. You did not complain then. What is good for the goose should be good for the gander and one man's terrorist is another man's " innocent Russian speaking people". yes? I am pretty sure you dont believe this news anyway |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by Nobody: 8:18pm On Dec 02, 2015 |
Appleyard: Nagode! 2 Likes |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by Appleyard(m): 11:22am On Dec 04, 2015 |
@Missy89, Russia is already responding,(unless you are like them kids down here expecting Kremlin rain of missiles on Ankara, which i doubt you are) and contrary to your views, Erdogan has a whole lot to lose out on, both personally and nationally. His popularity back home is already dwindly. The death of one journalist and the arrest of two others charged for espionage for revealing the truth about the ISIS and Turkey shady oil deals, further create resentment both from home and abroad. Also, the arrest and prosecution for treason of two generals who dare to intercept a convoy of Erdogan's '' goodwill '' bound for Syria, is a clear indication of visible cracks now appearing even in his inner circle. All these happening in the afthermath of the downed Su24. And now that Syria and Russia, with the blessing of France, is moving to seal off the Syrian side of the border with Turkey, his Turkmen and other proxies will now have to be at the mercy of Syrian ground troops and Russian air power: and to make matters worse, he cant even fly his planes anymore for obvious reasons. So tell me, is all these not amounting to a collosal loss? Again, on the national side, contrary to your view, the Russian response will definitly slow down the Tourism sector, but it may also likely affect the overall performance of the Turkish economy. Yes, it will have considerable impact. This is because, tourism accounts for over 2.1 million jobs in Turkey, employing more than other sectors like the chemical. Authomobile, manufacturing industries. Russian tourist alone accounts for 12-18% of this, with over 3.4 million visits last year. But the real danger here is that, where ever exist an atmosphere of uncertainty and fear, people tends to avoid such places for fear of the unknown, like the last month blast that killed over a hundred in a rally in the same Turkey: and now that the notion of Russia's unpredictability have join the queue of the unknown tomorow, coupled with the glaring fact that alot of people accross the globe (europe in particular) are emotionally and naturally supporting the Russian anti-IS mission in Syria, it is vividly clear that it will never be the Russians alone that would stop coming to Turkey for holidays. This is the point some people seem to negate in their lobsided analysis. One only need to see what is happening to Egypt now, not to mention that Erdogan's highhandedness and staunch posture as an islamic overlord, is further killing Turkey's image. The lira has already taken a dive, amidst growing anti-Erdogan's sentiments back home, and if over 3.4 million doesnt mean anything to the man, he probably have to see a psychiatrist, because it meant a whole lot to the economy. Now you can understand why the man wants to get things right with Putin, but his '' strongman ego '' wont let him do the right thing--apologise and move forward. Additional cost as in how? The sanctions didnt affect gas supply and other contractual obligations for obvious reasons like you rightly noted: Egypt is already lining up to replace Turkey for Russia's fruites and vegetable needs, and Greece would easily fill the destination void left by Turkey, and that is if the option of Cuba and China is not prefered readily. As for Turkey, finding a market for their products would prove to be a difficult task. It is easy to find sellers, but its not always easy to find buyers. They can ask the Irish, French and Polish farmers who could not find buyers for their products following a similar case. Which propaganda? That Turkey is accessory to ISIS oil theft or what? Even Steven Wonders knew Turkey is aiding and abeting ISIS oil criminality. Even the US is increasingly finding it hard to cover. Where is the inflamatory propaganda in all this? The reality is that, Erdogan had fired an air to air missile against himself in toto, and against Turkey in considerable terms. He has started a battle he can not win nor afford to lose. He is caught in the middle! And no! I don't believe that Uncle Sam has fled the Syrian Skies, nor in thousands of troops being moved to the border. But one thing i do believe in is that, the Syrian airspace is now a forbidden taboo for Turkey, unless they reach certain compromise with the Russians and Syrian government. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by Missy89(f): 1:19pm On Dec 04, 2015 |
@ Appleyard
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| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by Appleyard(m): 8:32pm On Dec 05, 2015 |
Missy89:I never said if Russians stop going to Turkey, it would kill the Tourism sector there, but would have significant impact on it's overall output and input into the economy, on the ground that it accounts for over 2.1 million jobs. Moreover, this is never going to be limited to the Russians alone. If the Turkey resentment fever is so high down here in Africa, (primarily because of the Russian anti ISIS campaign), i wonder how it would be even among Europeans who are still suffocating under the influx of Syrian refugees, and are increasingly seeing Turkey as part of the wider problem. On this note, i am not wrong. The Turks have much to lose here than whatever additional cost individual Russians will have to pay for alternative tours. Infact, Isreal is already courting Russian tourist, and just as some Russians have put it, '' there are certain things more important than open beaches and and sun-baking ''. Thats the Russian strong will and collectivism for you. This is further underlined by the peoples reaction at home, following the downing, and no amount of additional cost (if any) would stop them. Yeah, they eventually found market for their products, yet the likes of slovenia, Greece, Italy, and German industrial lobbyist now holding Merkel on the neck, wants an end to the tit for tat sanction wars. Even some of the markets they have discovered are proving insufficient to offset the loss incurred by absence of the Russian market, due to serious competition and government policies of the host markets. For instance, Nigeria, a large importer of such EU goods especially after the Russian embargo, have ban the importation of some of those goods, eliciting anger from the EU: and as if that is not enough, Russia have added 7 additional countries to the sanction list, further increasing cost on the bloc whose aid package of more than 500 million Euros has been criticize for being inadequate to offset losses. http://epthinktank.eu/2015/11/20/russian-measures-against-european-union-agricultural-products-one-year-on/ It was barely 3 months that 1500 tractors took to the streets in France, and protest sparked up in Spain partly due to this same issue. If they had actually exported more and made more gain after Russian sanction, i wonder why the rebellion then, and why the EU is preparing more aid packages now. Concerning the issue of Russia propaganda, i dont watch Russian tvs, cause i dont have them listed in my subscription bouguet, not even the popular RT. But you dont need propaganda to see that Turkey is involve in shady deals with ISIS. Even the Iranians have been saying it long before the Russians came out with it. The motive is there for all to see. Journalist were being harassed and jailed for exposing the truth. Footage of IS tankers lined up with crude is readily made available, even by the US. Now let common sense do the thinking here: where else could those tankers pass through in the northern plain, if not through Turkey? Even among the US house of congress, some members knew that Turkey is in bed with IS, and the Turkish opposition is compiling evidence to prove their points. Even some die hard western anti Putin media bodies are chanting the same mantra here. The fact is, there are some truth you cant keep under the carpet no matter how you try, and this is just one of them. I dont think Russia was indifferently sitting on evidence until their plane got shot. In fact, Putin have said before now that 40 countries are involved in the dealing, and that some of the G20 members are involved. Well, now we have gotten to know one. If Putin have said earlier that so and so are dealing with ISIS, who would have believe him? Be truthful. Not forgeting that Russia was enjoying good relations with Turkey before now. But the evidence dont lie! The evidence based on ascertained motive will always bring out the truth, and it has been proved over and over again, Turkey is ISIS Partner in crime as far as oil is involve. |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by OLAADEGBU(m): 8:33pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
aog: This is coming at a time Turkey refuses to secure their borders with Syria. |
| Re: Thousands Of Russian Troops Head To Turkish Border As U.S. Planes Flee Syria Air by mazeltov(m): 12:33am On Dec 08, 2015 |
Smh, I thought America bombed some syrian soldiers of recent? To detect propaganda is not too difficult, just check the poster's name. And to the economic sanction: what will Russia benefit from this sanction? Turkey is the largest trading partner Russia in terms of Importation for Turkey and a balanced economic trade entails Export over import. The economic sanction will surely shake Turkish economic but can never crumble their economic. Maybe Putin needs to learn the art of economic imposition before he jumps on mic on air . In today's world economic trade, no economy is alone and dependent - despite the fact that Western nations including America imposed economic santion on Russia, Russia is still surviving due to several alternative outlets, there are so many alternatives means of oxygenating an econmic of a nation if one is blocked. This is not 1980s era, today's economies are now inter-dependent and multi-dimensional. As europe depends on Russian natural gas, so also Russia depends on the income made from this trade. What is my point here? Economic santions cannot always weaken a country forever but makes a country stronger by looking for an alternative means. . I said Putin should go and learn how to wage economic war, A mono-economic sanction is not always as effective as joint economic sanction. A joint economic action was used against Iran and it had effect, why? Iran was cut off from Completely from trade and despite this, one way or the other, Iran is still doing fine. When Economic sanctions was used against Syria, multinational companies like Lafarge, Air bus company and even Royal Dutch company who made about 40% loss all withdrew their investments in Syria. Canadian companies like Suncor Energy also left and all these withdrawal shook Syrian economy. In fact as at the time, Syria used to produce about 160,000 barrels of oil to europe and that exportation alone accounts for about 45% of Syrian income but against the western expectation, They thought the sanctions would crumble Syria and create and opposition voice to uproot the regime but to their suprise, It was another case. The withdrawal of those foreign companies in Syria creates a gap/vacancy or opprtunity for other eager companies to fill up the space, many local and foreign energy came up to occupy with a low running cost. Russian's sanction is too single-lined, meaning that the sanction doesn't stop other countries from trading with Turkey, it doesn't stop foreign investment provided Erdogan is ready to grant tax holiday and lower profit/tax bar - then you will see how companies will be rushing in. When Syria was facing sanction, It doesn't stop China and even Russia from trading with Syria. By this time, if you are still thinking that Putin's sanction will crumble Turkish economy, you have to wake up. Two things are on ground and they are, The sanction will shake Turkey, no doubt it will, but it will never crush it. Now the question is, is Russia supplying Free gas to Turkey and europe? |
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