x12345678x:

As usual I have no issue with u buh I need u to explain some of these.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.   And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone.  But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"  (Translation is from the Noble Quran)
Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." 
Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "
Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" I'll be awaiting ur explanation with all humility. Thank you.

Lildav:



And who is sameer1212 that I shld wnt 2know?? Please!!


And who is sameer1212 that I shld wnt 2know?? Please!!

creamyworkz:


You are evil like i said earlier, the person giving u d info left out Q2:190 where the explanation started "Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors.
Quran 2:191 says: " And kill them wherever overtake dem and expel them from whereever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. AND DO NOT FIGHT THEM AT AL-MASJID AL-HARAM UNTIL THEY FIGHT YOU THERE. but if they fight you, then kill them such is the recompense of the desbelievers.

you intentionally skipped the part where i wrote in caps, since it wont fit into what you need your citations for.
Q2:192 says" And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful."
Q2:244 says "And fight in the cause of Allah and know that Allah is Hearing and All knowing"

Does "Fight in the cause of Allah" necessarily mean physical fight? for ur information what i am doing here now is "Fighting in the cause of Allah" its not errytin dahs taken for its literary meaning.

By the way verse 191 was narrative nd not descriptive. the quran is narrating an event that happened in the past and its not a command for us to do. Masjid Al-haram is in saudi arabia, u shld know the war took place there, if its a command as u are portraying it has, why havnt people been going dere to fight. since the land to u is a slaughter slab.
ion tink i need to go further to prove ur hypocacy i tink anyone willing to seeking to understand the truth shld already know how much of a hypocrate u are. so pls get

darlingtonVII:
so your Allah support killing? Whether good or bad?

jane0000:
a mature n simple guy dt never bragg even though he came frm a gud/rich family. So u c real men don't come online n insult pple jst because dey live in a particular place.

creamyworkz:


You can refer to my last post if you seek to understand my belief and wah it says

PROVACATEUR:
after all this it wont change the fact that I lost a loved one to Muslim fanatics in Kaduna during the sharia riots of 2001.

His only offence was that he is a Christian.




Islam is evil.

creamyworkz:


You are evil like i said earlier, the person giving u d info left out Q2:190 where the explanation started "Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors.
Quran 2:191 says: " And kill them wherever overtake dem and expel them from whereever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. AND DO NOT FIGHT THEM AT AL-MASJID AL-HARAM UNTIL THEY FIGHT YOU THERE. but if they fight you, then kill them such is the recompense of the desbelievers.

you intentionally skipped the part where i wrote in caps, since it wont fit into what you need your citations for.
Q2:192 says" And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful."
Q2:244 says "And fight in the cause of Allah and know that Allah is Hearing and All knowing"

Does "Fight in the cause of Allah" necessarily mean physical fight? for ur information what i am doing here now is "Fighting in the cause of Allah" its not errytin dahs taken for its literary meaning.

By the way verse 191 was narrative nd not descriptive. the quran is narrating an event that happened in the past and its not a command for us to do. Masjid Al-haram is in saudi arabia, u shld know the war took place there, if its a command as u are portraying it has, why havnt people been going dere to fight. since the land to u is a slaughter slab.
ion tink i need to go further to prove ur hypocacy i tink anyone willing to seeking to understand the truth shld already know how much of a hypocrate u are. so pls get

madridguy:
Who is forcing Islam on them ? Go and read bro and stop talking what you have no knowledge of.

darlingtonVII:
I dont wanna understand. All i see in your quote from your "Quaran" is 'Killing' 'killing' and 'more killing'

creamyworkz:


Well its a good thing u started by saying u dont want to understand. feel free to wallow in ignorance

x12345678x:

Dear friend to put it straight I don't think ur evil or an hypocrite, This is where we differ. Now I would like to take u up on every point that's been highlighted buh I sincerely don't have d tym ryt now as am death busy, so I'll just ask u to explain to me a question dats been bothering me.....What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam?. Dang! how I woulda loved to have a sane debate with you. Thank you very much anyways for replying without threatening to cut off ma head. By the way what do u fink bout ISIS are they muslims?

darlingtonVII:
The truth still remains.... Your religion support and promote killing. No wonder this Boko boys and ISIS feel no remorse at all. It all make sense now.

x12345678x:

Dear friend to put it straight I don't think ur evil or an hypocrite, This is where we differ. Now I would like to take u up on every point that's been highlighted buh I sincerely don't have d tym ryt now as am death busy, so I'll just ask u to explain to me a question dats been bothering me.....What is the penalty for apostasy in Islam?. Dang! how I woulda loved to have a sane debate with you. Thank you very much anyways for replying without threatening to cut off ma head. By the way what do u fink bout ISIS are they muslims?

creamyworkz:
At this point, I think it’s very important that I clarify some things to those who actually seek to know the truth.
Firstly, you need to understand that anyone who has a Muslim name can call himself a Muslim, but every Muslim actually practise Islam or should I say not every Muslim understands Islam. In the Quran, Allah (swt) in some verses called upon Muslims (Believers), in some he called upon mumeens (True believers), in some he called upon the kafirs (unbelievers) and in some he called upon insane (the entire human race) he specifically separated these things.
Now what is the deference between Muslim and Mumeen
There are a lot of differences and various ways to distinguish. But that’s a topic for another day. I’ll just highlight this point that a mumeen is a higher degree Muslim, in the Quran it is said that the mumeens are the ones who will be salvaged. But I don’t remember such a promise for Muslims.
You may find some Non-Muslims picking up the Quran and they say this Quran preaches terrorism, No I strongly disagree. In the real sense the Quran is the furthest away from terrorism.
The Quran has verses of history where history is recorded just like any holy book, and non-Muslims translate these verses as though they are commands for me and you. (Need I say this is just a plot to discredit Islam?) They find people with weak faith to tell these things to and those poor souls begin to doubt what they believe in (If only they knew the truth)
When Allah (swt) said “Fight those who fought you” Q2:191, he addressed it to those people at the time of the messenger (Muhammad (saw)). He continued by saying “Drive them out of the same place they drove you out from” pause here for a minute and ask yourself, where was this place? The answer is simple, it was Makah. The believers (Muslims) were driven out of Makah. The prophet had to leave Makah where he was born at that time when the attacks on Muslims seemed like they were never going to stop. So After several years Allah (swt) was instructing them that they have been granted permission to drive them back out of there.
These verses you see people bringing up from the Quran are connected to issues that occurred in history.
However, I have no doubt in my mind that there are people in the world of Islam who act in a manner that is against the Islam which you can label as terrorism, yes I agree, there is no point denying it. But it’s not fair to judge Islam by the actions of a microscopic few self-claimed Muslims, it is not right to paint all Muslims with one brush. Otherwise it will be right to say that all Christians are Crusaders (which is not right), or to say all Jews are Zionists (that’s not true either). We know that there are groups amongst every religion that are military.
In Islam there are guidelines to follow when at war, Islam says: in times of war, “DO NOT KILL WOMEN” “DO NOT KILL CHILDREN” “DO NOT KILL THE ELDERLY” “DO NOT KILL THOSE DEDICATED TO WORSHIP (no matter the religion, whether he’s in his church or temple or whatever it is) DO NOT APPROACH THEM, “DO NOT BURN TREES” “DO NOT DESTROY HOUSES” “DO NOT KILL ANIMALS” “DO NOT BETRAY” “DO NOT ACT IN TRECHEROUS WAYS”
It’s unfortunate that nowadays you find suicide bombers claiming to be Muslims and yet they trespass against everything Islam holds dear.
The truth is, in Islam you are not allowed to commit suicide. Because it is believed that your soul belongs to Allah and you have destroyed his possession by doing so. More so, you are not allowed to kill innocent civilians.
What Islam permits is that if two armies meet, then you have the right to do whatever you have to do on the battle field. A random person buying vegetable to have lunch is not included. So to kill them in the name of Islam is oppression. The prophet (pbh) said “A Muslim will remain in the margins of his religion unless he spills blood illegally (blood of an innocent person). So once you kill one innocent soul, you will be held responsible by Allah (swt) and that might be the reason why such a person will be heading straight to hell no matter how righteous he has been in the past.

Tellemall:


They are not forcing Islam on them. But you must agree that most of the world's awful places have everything to do with Mohammedans who are forcing their religion on others. No need to cite examples. We live in such a world. No point denying it, it's glaring.

Owliver:
and how many times have the hateful christians carried out riot against the peaceful muslim? compare to Muslims against christians in Nigeria? lol

aybabz101:


hw ar they baseless?
ar they nt events dat really took place?
please if u want to post anytin, bring up ur reasonable opinion, reasons and facts. all i see is someone with notin to say

Mrreed:

read history buks b4 misyarning. d ku klux klan of America dt killed several pple in d name of religion, dnt u knw dt or u pretend nt to knw? the crusaders dat killed millions of non xtians specifically muslims, u dnt knw about dat too? deuteronomy 13 vs12-15 wat does it tok about?

madridguy:
TAKE YOUR TIME AND RESEARCH.

Mrreed:

read history buks b4 misyarning. d ku klux klan of America dt killed several pple in d name of religion, dnt u knw dt or u pretend nt to knw? the crusaders dat killed millions of non xtians specifically muslims, u dnt knw about dat too? deuteronomy 13 vs12-15 wat does it tok about?
pls read it if u wanna know d religion dat is intolerant. summary of dt commands Christians to kill non xtians

Lsofdk:

at a young age i wonder what u do with your brain, that is in the old testament and during that time there was nothing like Christianity, christianity came with christ. those are the laws of moses(what u read in deut)

Mrreed:

wat bout ds once too
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys .' " … He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword .(NIV)
Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open . (NRSV)
xtians are just bunch of hypocrites. a fellow xtian jst defendd d crusaders action even though its hilarious buh m glad he did. while muslims dnt defend or support terrorism the whole world hav been silent on the daily killings of palestine on their own land(though some of u will say isreal owns d place historically) because they are muslims. several harmless civilians muslims die due to the drone target dt has little or no impact on d influence of ISIS buh d world is quiet about it cos dey re muslims. infact, America is d direct and/or indirect breeder of terrorist. those children they v made orphans do u tynk dey l b happy with the americans? it wil tak lil convincn to mak dem join isis. quote me a vers that supports violence in d Quran and i l prove u wrong. dnt quote bak if u v sumtyn unreasonable to say

creamyworkz:


You are evil like i said earlier, the person giving u d info left out Q2:190 where the explanation started "Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors.
Quran 2:191 says: " And kill them wherever overtake dem and expel them from whereever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. AND DO NOT FIGHT THEM AT AL-MASJID AL-HARAM UNTIL THEY FIGHT YOU THERE. but if they fight you, then kill them such is the recompense of the desbelievers.

you intentionally skipped the part where i wrote in caps, since it wont fit into what you need your citations for.
Q2:192 says" And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful."
Q2:244 says "And fight in the cause of Allah and know that Allah is Hearing and All knowing"

Does "Fight in the cause of Allah" necessarily mean physical fight? for ur information what i am doing here now is "Fighting in the cause of Allah" its not errytin dahs taken for its literary meaning.

By the way verse 191 was narrative nd not descriptive. the quran is narrating an event that happened in the past and its not a command for us to do. Masjid Al-haram is in saudi arabia, u shld know the war took place there, if its a command as u are portraying it has, why havnt people been going dere to fight. since the land to u is a slaughter slab.
ion tink i need to go further to prove ur hypocacy i tink anyone willing to seeking to understand the truth shld already know how much of a hypocrate u are. so pls get

madridguy:
Hypocrisy is when you think Muslim are terrorist and see American as an Angel. As at 2014, 1,147 innocent Muslim killed in US drone strikes –

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147

The public record of violent deaths following the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Documented Muslim deaths from violence.

147,431 – 167,206

https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

No one is talking about the Innocent Civilians that lost their lives in NATO airstrikes in Libya and how they turned Libya into War zone.

No one is pointing finger at Tony Blair and his partner in Crime, George W. Bush for crime against humanity. Millions of Children are outta school in Iraq, Libya , Syria because of your USELESS FOREIGN POLICY.

MAY THE WRATH OF GOD BE UPON DONALD TRUMP FOR CALLING MUSLIM TERRORIST.


AMERICA WILL NEVER KNOW PEACE UNTIL THEY STOP TERRORIZING THE WHOLE WORLD.

Mrreed:

JazakaLlahu khaeran brother. kafirs are fond of misquoting and quoting out of context jst to putsue their bad intentn. dey are d more reasons muslims must not stop acquiring knowledge

jane0000:
lol. Meaning?

Lsofdk:

i won't dispute the fact that violent acts are found in the old testament. i stated Christianity came with christ as you can't find Christians in the old testament and you still went ahead to quote from the old testament. If a Christian engages in violence in the name of Christ, he is doing so in direct disobedience of His Master. Jesus taught that all who live by the sword will die by it ( Matthew 26:52 ).
whereas, In Sura 9 , “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem [of war]; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and
practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful” (Sura 9:5). Also in Sura 9, “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya [tribute] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Sura 9:29).
The teachings and example of Muhammad are very different. A Muslim who desires to commit violence in the name of Islam can find ample justification for his action both in the Koran and in the words and actions of the prophet Muhammad. same justification which these terrorists support there actions with.

Lsofdk:

i won't dispute the fact that violent acts are found in the old testament. i stated Christianity came with christ as you can't find Christians in the old testament and you still went ahead to quote from the old testament. If a Christian engages in violence in the name of Christ, he is doing so in direct disobedience of His Master. Jesus taught that all who live by the sword will die by it ( Matthew 26:52 ).
whereas, In Sura 9 , “But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem [of war]; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and
practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful” (Sura 9:5). Also in Sura 9, “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, [even if they are] of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya [tribute] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued” (Sura 9:29).
The teachings and example of Muhammad are very different. A Muslim who desires to commit violence in the name of Islam can find ample justification for his action both in the Koran and in the words and actions of the prophet Muhammad. same justification which these terrorists support there actions with.

Mrreed:

to you now every verse that promotes violence are that of moses, i hv several contradictn verses of d bible that dispute your claim. i l share them dependn on ur ability to reason maturely and interact wthout vulgar languages.