babs787:

Sir,can we have the fundamental flaws?

webb jamie:

i think if muslims spent as much time reading and analysing their q'uran as they do the bible they will be enlightened on it's fundamental flaws thus reducing world violence by half and making d world a better place.wat do ya say :-x

Lagosboy:

I respect christians choice to be a christian and wish to be respected at our choice of been muslims. Lets live in peace and harmony amidst our differences.

muhsin:

This could only be done when benighted and deluded Christians on this board would think rationally.

Babs787 should be banned for being deliberately senseless. Do you really want us to mention the flaws?

@babs
am sending my email addy again, its titialayo25@yahoo.co.uk, thanks

babs, i don't know all, but you were once the pythagoras of NL but you fell blatantly, you know and you know how much you criticize my arithmetic, so why call me "Mr. Know All",

Tùdor:

Babs787 should be banned for being deliberately senseless. Do you really want us to mention the flaws?

dominique:

and you should be BANNED (again) for constantly being disrespectful and insultive. you claim to hate Islam and Muslims so what the heck are you always doing here. . .get a life

I wonder!

MrCrackles:


I wonder!

Sorry blabs,you too far gone.no school can help you now not even allah.
You're doomed to remain a slowpoke for life

You dont expect me to waste my time with you while other important issues are still there. When you are ready, furnish me where creation of earth alone took more than 2 days or creation of heaven and earth took more than 6 days.

dexmond:

Muslims should think very deeply about following, References have been added so anyone who cares can verify.



Al Hadis, Vol. 3, p. 786,
Abul Azher al Anmari reported, When The Apostle of Allah went to bed, he said, "In the name of Allah, I put down my side for Allah. O Allah! forgive my sins and remove my evil spirit, " Attested by Abu Daud



Al Hadis, Vol. 4, p. 359,
Ayesha reported that Haresah-b-Hisham asked the Apostle of Allah and said, "O Apostle, how does revelation come to you?" The Apostle of Allah responded, "Sometimes it comes to me like the ringing of a bell, "

Al Hadis, Vol 4, p. 360,
Obadah-b-Swamet reported that when a revelation came to the Prophet, he used to become greatly disturbed, and his face became changed. And in a narration, he would nod his head, and his companions nodded theirs, " Attested by Muslim.

Al Hadis, Vol 4, p. 414,
Ayesha reported that the Apostle of Allah was once enchanted. He called to Allah who sent angels. They sat by his legs and discussed his problem, and one angel said, "who enchanted him?" The other said, "Labeed-b-A'sam, a Jew, who used a comb to comb Muhammed's hair and the grape cover of a male person" He asked, "Where is it?" The other said, "In the well at Zerwan." The Apostle went to the well. The well was the color of Henna and the date palms were the heads of devils. He took out the comb, and the enchantment went away." Agreed.

Al-Hadis, Vol 4, p. 367,
Anas reported that Gabriel appeared before the Apostle of Allah while he was playing with some boys. Gabriel took him, laid him down, pierced his heart, and took out a clot of blood. Then he said, "This is the portion of thee possessed of a devil." Next, he washed it in a gold cup with water from the well Zamzam. Thereafter (Gabriel) sewed him up and took him back where he found him,  " Attested by Muslim


The scriptures above and so many others are some of the reasons why most Christians and  Jews refuse to accept that The Prophet of Allah was sent by the same God that they serve. They citing these verses now claim that the prophet was demon-possessed.

Compare the above with the folowing case

14And when he came to [his] disciples, he saw a great multitude about them, and the scribes questioning with them.

15And straightway all the people, when they beheld him, were greatly amazed, and running to [him] saluted him.

16And he asked the scribes, What question ye with them?

17And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit;

18And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.

19He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.

20And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.

21And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.

22And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.

23Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things [are] possible to him that believeth.

24And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

25When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, [Thou] dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.

26And [the spirit] cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.

27But Jesus took him by the hand, and lifted him up; and he arose.

28And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out?

29And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.



Kindly rise in defense of the prophet and prove that the cases listed above are not demon- possession.

olabowale:

Webb Jamie and Dexmond must be two mad souls. Worse. Even insane soul hae restriction. Nigeria is producing all kinds. The good the bad and the extremely ugly!

@Dexmond: If a servant who is honored by his master alway petition that he remains honored and beloved, is that a sign that he has lost that honor? No. The honor is intact. What the individual has done is to let the master know that he is not arrogant and will always be loyal and can be counted upon. For a messenger of God to continue to seek God's protection is a sign of not being arrogant, but fully submitted.

If anyone has ever read the Quran, one will find the very first verse of Chapter 2 to sound like a ringing bell. So is the first verse of Chapter 3, and many others! Is it your intention to bring out the work or involvement of demon in the sound of a bell? Thats okay because the churches and indeed Christianity will be the first in this matter with the devil/demon!

And if the events of revelation has this "disturbing" effect on Muhammad (AS), especially being a normal and mild mannered man in other times, is a singular proof that the events, the revelations must be supernatural! Yet, none of his companions opposed him after his death, assuming they could not while he was alive! Anyone who knew how arabs are in their own community will know that if they thought he was lying, his companions would have enmass deserted him. Even those who did not accept his prophethood dd not say that he was lying when they really came down to it!

Will lies could have been so accurate, without any falsehood? He said trhat his Uncle, Abi lahab will never become a muslim. He died not a moment accepting islam to disprove Muhammad(s). He said that Rome will be victorious, and to the exact period, it became so!

The fact that Muhammad's focus of worship was Allah, Who helped him, by sending His angels is an indication of his prophethood. Will God send angels to help a liar so thatsaid liar is successful? There there been such a case in human history? I though God sent the same Angel to help Moses. Is Moses a liar or demon possessed, too?

I thought that Jesus had a brush with the devil, according to the Bible? If not Jesus, John or both had the devil driving them wildly into the wilderness. Thats control. Its interesting to know that Jesus was even played upon, three times, by the devil on simple things as food, worship, jumping, etc!

What are you guys talking about?

And the thread was opened with overt prejudice telling people no fanatic please! What is fanatical, except what you are doing? Darn Christian fanatics. Unfortunately, your Biblical statements have no cronological pathway so that people can follow it. It always start so suddenly. There is nothing special about people asking a prophet of God to help them since they know that his prayer with God will be accepted. Muhammad (AS) performed many miracles by Allah! Even a wolf got the attention of a farmer by talking, telling the farmer that if you find me amazing, it is nothing compared to the presence of a prophet in Madina. Go and verify as if to to tell the farmer that he should ollow Muhammad. The farmer happened to be a Jew and he finally accepted Islam.

The same Muhammad who took leadership from Jesus, Moses, etc all at the same time in Masjid Aqsa in Ilya (Jerusalem). The structures are still there today in Masjid Umar (Dome of the Rock) and Masji Aqsa. Incidentally, Jesus did not build a church. Muhammad participated in Masjid Haram in Makka, Masjid Al Nawawi in Madina and another one in Madina. Also he prayed on the Aqsa/Umar Masajid site in Jerusalem.

Do you people just talk for the sake of talking? Have you have no shame? Nothing in your statement pointed out, even remotely that Muhammad crumbled under the influence of demon. We see that his Lord strenghtened him with Angels, allthe way.