Why are Muslims attacking and killing Chritians in Northern Nigeria?

Here are some facts from recent reports:

[b]Nigeria

The latest attack on the Rt. Rev. Ali Buba Lamido, 47-year-old Anglican Bishop of Wusasa diocese in Kaduna state, began as the past year's previous three did…

Armed men, whom he believes were Muslim militants, asked the guards at his home where he was, announcing they were going to kill him.

This time, on March 10th, a guest of one of his guards was shot dead.

The guard and another worker were seriously injured.

The four attacks on his house since April 2005 have involved no attempted robbery.

"It is difficult to believe it was not religiously motivated, because some bishops have been attacked and one priest was murdered in a similar way," he said. "And the killers never stole anything from their houses."

Pray God will continue to protect Bishop Lamido.
Pray he will have the forgiving spirit of Christ toward the attackers and will encourage the Christian community to pray for their enemies.
Pray the Holy Spirit will overcome the spirit of violence controlling the Muslims in Nigeria.


9 may 06
Nigeria

Two female Christian students remain missing after seven Muslims, also young women students, attacked them on March 18th, at Ahmadu Bello University in Kaduna state.

The two students were about to bathe at the women's residence when the Muslim women emerged from a mosque and attacked, beating them until they were unconscious.

The women, identified only as Joy and Priscilla, were treated at the university health clinic but were not seen again…

Their disappearance has raised religious tensions on campus.

James Kagbu, the university's Joint Chapel Council secretary, said, "Muslim students under the auspices of the Muslim Students' Society have been terrorizing Christians in the university without provocation."

Pray Joy and Priscilla will be found and returned to their families.
Pray they will be strengthened by the presence of their Savior.
Pray Christians at the university will be the fragrance of Christ to fellow students. [/b]

what is religion doing to our world today? is religion not supposed to bring sense to us and make us live in peace and tranquility with one another? why all the fighting and killings over religion? it doesnt make sense

More proof that indeed Islam is a religion of peace!!!

According to Mallam Belloti, those must have been politically motivated violence!

I am going to unveil the whole truth about Islam.
Nothing but the truth.

All the plots to make suicide bombs and launch terrorist attacks were hatched in their mosques.

Many Christian sisters in colleges in Northern Nigeria said the Islamic authorities have told their Muslim men to seduce Christian sisters by all deceptions to marry them and convert them to Islam. So, they offer admission to more Christian sisters and very few Christian brothers. So the Muslim men outnumber the Christian brothers compared to the Christian sisters.

Muslims have also agreed to marry more wives to breed more children more than Christians so that their population will increase more than the Christian population in Nigeria and other countries. Their mission in America and Europe is to populate and spread their religion all over the place. As they have already revealed that their Islam comes first before the state. So, they are not even repentant of 9/11, London 7/7 and other terrorist bombings and attacks. And in fact Muslims celebrated in Kano and other Northern states in Nigeria and have named many of their babies after Osama bin Laden.

Any religion attacking Christianity and Christians is antichrist.

Jesus Christ warned that the AntiChrist came in the veil of an angel of light and that if he were not the Christ, the Antichrist would have deceived him.

I don't know how any right thinking and intelligent human would believe in a prophet whose life style was contrary to all just laws as he married 13 wives, and once lied to one of the wives to go an errand and slept with her maid behind her back. And when the wife protested, he swore to deal with her and threatened to divorce them and even struck his child-bride Aisha and hurt her? Aisha complained of her child -abuse by the prophet. But she was afraid to run away.

Another child-bride who attempted to run away in Northern Nigeria was caught by her old man husband and cut off her two legs. This was reported in the news.

I want the government to set up a Human Rights Commission to investigate all cases of the violations of fundamental human rights in Northern Nigeria and investigate all the cases of attacks and killings of Christians and violations of innocent girls.

Most Muslims are in bondage. Because the fanatics have threatened anyone of them who converts to Christianity and in fact they have been attacking and killing many Christian converts in the Middle East, Asia and Africa.

Is it by force?

from a great site,now we all know the truth.

[b]The truth about Muhammad has been one of the world's best-kept secrets. For centuries, it has been virtually impossible to raise objections about the character of Muhammad in Muslim countries, for anyone who raised such objections would (following the example set by Muhammad himself) immediately be killed. Outside the Muslim world, there has been little interest in Islam. But things have changed. Now many people are interested in Islam, and Muslims aren't able to silence everyone. Moreover, with the advent of the Internet, it is now impossible to keep Muhammad's life a secret. The facts about the founder of Islam are spreading very rapidly, and Muslims are frantically scurrying to defend their faith. But the information superhighway is paving over the ignorance that has for centuries been the stronghold of Islamic dogma. In the end, Islam will fall, for the entire structure is built upon the belief that Muhammad was the greatest moral example in history, and this belief is demonstrably false.[/b]

from same site.

[b]These details about Muhammad raise a very important question: What does a prophet have to do before Muslims will be willing to question whether he is truly the greatest moral example in history? Normally, when we say that someone is a moral person, we mean that he doesn't commit acts such as robbery and murder. Yet Muhammad did all these things and much more. It appears, then, that Muslims are using the term "moral" in a very unique way. In this uniquely Muslim sense of the term, the word "moral" is defined as "whatever Muhammad does." Thus, if Muhammad were to chop off the heads of hundreds of people (which he did), this act would still be defined as a moral act, since Muhammad did it, and anything Muhammad does is, by definition, moral.[/color][color=#990000][color=#990000][/color]
But this raises another important question. If God's greatest prophet is free to take part in murder, robbery, genocide, and slave-trading, can we really point a finger at people like Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein and say that they are evil? They killed many innocents, but so did Muhammad. Saddam tortured countless people, but so did Muhammad. In fact, one could make a case that Osama bin Laden is morally superior to Muhammad, for, while bin Laden killed thousands of people, he didn't sell their wives and children into slavery, or with a little girl, or marry more than a dozen women.[/b]

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20936

Babyosisi,
The guilty run even when no one is chasing after them.
The Muslims cannot deny the facts of history.

The truth is bitter.
Even Olabowale is ashamed.

My thing with Islam is not about Muslims per se,they are not the main issue.
Mohammed lived a dirty life and he ought to be exposed.
Any 'good' deeds he may have done were totally canceled out by the hundreds of rapes and raids and other evils.

He is no moral example for anyone and the hadiths prove it.

Its very pathetic when I hear criticisms about religion this, religion that, Jesus this Muhammed this ecetera ecetera ecetera! Am actually a Muslim, but an open minded one. I actually have 2 Qurans, and 2 Bibles I constantly read, not for the sake of religious fanaticism or zealotism, but to educate myself and try and find out through scolarly pursuit what this life is all about. Mind you, it doesn't stop there, cos am also interested in other religions like Buddism, Sikhism etc (mind you Nigerians generally believe that these religions are devilish and anyone practising them wont go to heaven). Who are we to judge??, There are too many contradictions in the Bible, there is too much Jihad in the Quran etc etc,

God (Who if we were brought up not to believe in , we wont actually believe in like some Chinese), did not invent religion. God never said, You must be a Christian or Muslim or Sikh!! EVIL MAN INVENTED RELIGION. Did Christ say " Become Christians and heaven is yours??", wasnt it Peter or was it Paul a mortal man that was the first Pope??

Karl Marx said, " Religion is the opium of the oppressed", Look at Nigeria today, Churches everywhere telling you if you don't give tithe youre going to hell, scandal after scandal all over the place. I just came back from a trip to South Africa, lovely place. Look at Nigeria with all the Mosques and Churches, NOTHING! Corruption, disease, poverty and despair prevails. In the UK you dont ever see the white man that brought his religion and also discrimminates you from attending particular churches cos youre balck.

Didnt the same white man that spoke about salvation bomb "your" churches and kill black children during the civil rights period in America? Do you know that Jesus (PBUH) was not even "White". At least one good thing about Islam is the unity , There is no discrimmination in Islam, Ave been to Mosques all over in the world and no one cares what colour of skin you are (PS Remember Bosnia & Chechnya). They are white Muslims, Have you gone to check the history of your religion and the similarities between the pagan religions?? Trinity, virgin birth, son of God, Christmas, Easter etc Its easy as u mentioned, its all on the internet, Just type in Google - "Paganism and Christian beliefs" or "Osiris" or "Isis"or preferably type "attis or Mithras or Eleusis or Adonis/", you'll get so much data. You'll be amazed at what you'll get!

Dont get me wrong am not an apologist for Islam , I abhor  the situation where they kill in the name of religion, Shites and Sunnis killing themselves in Iraq, September 11, Jihad, Suicide bombings and other practises, It just dosent make any sense. I guess youre probably cut up with your religion that u dont ever wonder what religion you would have practised if you were born in India, Burma or in the Jungles of Borneo. I guess all those human beings that live in the Jungles and have never gone to church and worship their deities apart from Christ are going to HELL. Right??

The philosopher said in Ecclesiasses " Life, its like chasing the wind, " Life is worthless, the best thing in to eat, drink be merry and and HAVE REVERENCE FOR THE LORD (Not Jesus O!! He wasnt even born then, but GOD"!

My friend, open up your heart, whites HATE blacks, Serbians HATE Croats, Arabs HATE Jews, Christians HATE Muslims and vice versa, God has no favourite religion, he never invented any, he disperssed WICKED man when he was trying to build the tower of babel,

We dont know the truth. All religion could be a myth, have you ever thought about that. I have, but like I said, We were brought up to believe in GOD, Do good, dont covet your neighbours wife, dont steal, dont kill, thats all morality, dont kill yourself over the issue of salvation, GOD loves all mankind, hes not selective, ITS US BEING SELECTIVE! Free your mind! Have no inhibitions to anyone!!

Salaam Alaikum, Hossanna be Praised!

@Didoflex,
I would'nt have bothered to reply your "open-minded" confused post if not for the fact that I need to point out to you some errors in your position.

Yes God did not invent religion; christianity is not a religion, it is the discipleship of christ Jesus who is God, christianity is a kingdom: the kingdom of God in the heart and mind of men with it's riches spiritual, and it's nature not of the world. It is faith in Jesus christ the messiah, his substitionary atonement, his deity,his resurrection, ascension & glorification, and his promised return. You asked that 'Did Christ ask, become a christian and heaven is yours? Yes Jesus said so; he said "I am the way, the truth and life, no man sees the Father except through the Son" He also said "verily, verily I say unto you, except you become born again (i.e become tuned or receptive of his kigndom) you can not see the kingdom of God". Although many of us were born 'christians', we later became born again by accepting Jesus as our lord and saviour when we understood the truth.
Why am I replying you?, because I see how confused you are, you have 2 bibles and quran and yet don't know anything from both going from your write-up, and you are also fraternising with Buddism and Sikhism etc. You are 'neither hot nor cold', what are you? Dont stay in the middle of the road because you will get run over. I can see you are a 'liberal', liberalism is indeed not true freedom; true freedom is to become tuned to the character of the living God

About your ridiculous claims about christianity and paganism, those internet resources are the futile claims of Gnostics (decscendants of the early pagans in the 1st century), it does not hold water. Rather you need to read about Islam and hadiths about your prohpet --Muhammed. We now know he is not a man of good moral character but a violent, blood sucking monster, and a vicious peadophile who makes different set of rules for himsef and his followers. We now know Allah is not 'the living God' but 'a god of compromise' of muhammed and the pagans of Makkah; - a moon good called al-illah with 2 daughter gods, and the makkah was/is the site of idol worship. We now know that praying five times a day, facing the east or sun to pray, pilgrimage to makkah etc, were the practice of the Arabian pagans incorporated into Islam as practiced today, we now know that muhammed himself thought (I say correctly) that he was 'demon possessed' when he started his hallucinations to write the Quran. So you see, not only are you confused but also uninformed. I am not surprised at your attractions to Buddism and Sikhism, had it been that you know the Living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, such works of darkness wont be attractive to you, but since you follow a dead diety of darkness propagated by a false prophet, it is logical for such darkness to be attractive to you.

didoflex:

Salaam Alaikum, Hossanna be Praised!

Is someone confused here? Hossanna be praised? Is Hossanna a person or god?

As usual common ascertions by those are too engrossed with their fanaticism to see others as people of God. Guess you're the rightous one going to the kingdom of heaven. I have no confusion, none whatever, Am used to the usual ramblings you hear from you "Born Again" peeps.

I have no desires to condemn any of your beliefs. I didnt even say my faith was the road to heaven. I didnt say I had attractions to Buddism, Sikhism, Judaism ecetera .Just pure knowledge and an understanding of what they're all about, SIMPLE - U are not God, U were not there when your religion started (As usual u so called born agains will say its not a religion), Have u tried going to an all while church in the heart of Mississipi

Are u Catholic?? Whats the first Church? How many churches do you have down ur road? I have 4 around my area (Redeemed, TREM, Catholic, White Garment), in just one lil 3 street radius where everyone knows everyone, PS. One Pastor drives exotic cars with police escort while his flock looking miserable and hungry walk. Talk about humility, Jesus (Peace be Upon him), borrowed a donkey, remember, My God is not a poor God??

U talk about salvation through Christ?? I have no qualms with you as long as you practice your faith with humility, favour to mankind, basically the Ten Commandments. Oh, or is that outdated too?? When last did you go to an orphanage? When last did u give to the poor and needy in society? When last did u snob a person coz of social status? If uve lived such a life without shouting about me being this or that, then ur cool! The gates of heaven deserve you, I criticise my so called faith too. Mind you am not even a practising Muslim.

You're talking about "Me being neither here nor there?", Haha! I wonder why Jesus slept in the tax collectors house, if he knew he was a Jew and evil.

Look my guy, or girl, take a chill pill. Anyone that kills in the name of religion to me is evil.What they did in Kaduna or other parts of the north is babaric. Those days of killing through the Christian Crusades and Islamic Jihad are over. We are in a globalised world right now where your contributions to the betterment of humanity is more important than any religious hula balu!!!

You may be right about all the pagan things in Islam or Muhammed. I really dont give a hoot cos am logical and I try and reason. Not take in something shoved down my throat without questions. I may also be right about the pagan practices in Islam, but you see it as an afront from me, Who's the fanatic here By the way, Allah is just an Arabic name for God, like Chineke (Igbo), Olodumare/Oluwa (Yoruba), Abasi (Efik/Ibibio) etc. Be smart not fanatical.

Look, its always like this when I meet fanatical Muslims too, youre all the same, I just bumped into this site yesterday. I guess am a man of peace, not like you. I have four close/good friends, they are Christians, Catholic, Baptist and 2 Anglicans. Those are the traditional Churches I know, not the pentecostal movement of showmanship and prosperity.

Do some community work today, not selective to just people of your faith, do something for the poor Hindu widow down you street, the blind hausa girl along the street, the Aids orphan in India, God will bless you for that not the quotes from you New Standard Revised Bible, 2006 Hard Copy Edition.

Have you even consulted Deuteronomy V:12 (Not Malachi) about what tithe should be used for?? Seek the chapter, it explains tithe very well and what it shld be used for. Not the Malachi version penticostal pastors use to extort money from poor men.

Peace be unto you.

As usual common ascertions by those are too engrossed with their fanaticism to see others as people of God. Guess you're the rightous one going to the kingdom of heaven. I have no confusion, none whatever, Am used to the usual ramblings you hear from you "Born Again" peeps.

I have no desires to condemn any of your beliefs. I didnt even say my faith was the road to heaven. I didnt say I had attractions to Buddism, Sikhism, Judaism ecetera .Just pure knowledge and an understanding of what they're all about, SIMPLE - U are not God, U were not there when your religion started (As usual u so called born agains will say its not a religion), Have u tried going to an all while church in the heart of Mississipi

Are u Catholic?? Whats the first Church? How many churches do you have down ur road? I have 4 around my area (Redeemed, TREM, Catholic, White Garment), in just one lil 3 street radius where everyone knows everyone, PS. One Pastor drives exotic cars with police escort while his flock looking miserable and hungry walk. Talk about humility, Jesus (Peace be Upon him), borrowed a donkey, remember, My God is not a poor God??

U talk about salvation through Christ?? I have no qualms with you as long as you practice your faith with humility, favour to mankind, basically the Ten Commandments. Oh, or is that outdated too?? When last did you go to an orphanage? When last did u give to the poor and needy in society? When last did u snob a person coz of social status? If uve lived such a life without shouting about me being this or that, then ur cool! The gates of heaven deserve you, I criticise my so called faith too. Mind you am not even a practising Muslim.

You're talking about "Me being neither here nor there?", Haha! I wonder why Jesus slept in the tax collectors house, if he knew he was a Jew and evil.

Look my guy, or girl, take a chill pill. Anyone that kills in the name of religion to me is evil.What they did in Kaduna or other parts of the north is babaric. Those days of killing through the Christian Crusades and Islamic Jihad are over. We are in a globalised world right now where your contributions to the betterment of humanity is more important than any religious hula balu!!!

You may be right about all the pagan things in Islam or Muhammed. I really dont give a hoot cos am logical and I try and reason. Not take in something shoved down my throat without questions. I may also be right about the pagan practices in Islam, but you see it as an afront from me, Who's the fanatic here By the way, Allah is just an Arabic name for God, like Chineke (Igbo), Olodumare/Oluwa (Yoruba), Abasi (Efik/Ibibio) etc. Be smart not fanatical.

Look, its always like this when I meet fanatical Muslims too, youre all the same, I just bumped into this site yesterday. I guess am a man of peace, not like you. I have four close/good friends, they are Christians, Catholic, Baptist and 2 Anglicans. Those are the traditional Churches I know, not the pentecostal movement of showmanship and prosperity.

Do some community work today, not selective to just people of your faith, do something for the poor Hindu widow down you street, the blind hausa girl along the street, the Aids orphan in India, God will bless you for that not the quotes from you New Standard Revised Bible, 2006 Hard Copy Edition.

Have you even consulted Deuteronomy V:12 (Not Malachi) about what tithe should be used for?? Seek the chapter, it explains tithe very well and what it shld be used for. Not the Malachi version penticostal pastors use to extort money from poor men.

Peace be unto you.

@Fidodido,
Now you sound more confused. I am not the fanatic here, but a christian who holds to the fundamental tenets of my faith. I replied you because I will defend my faith any time, not fight for it. ( I leave that to God himself) You on the other hand do not know what you are doing or or what you believe in and that is horribly worse off.
You dont worry about how I live my life or how I practice my faith or the number of churches on your street, at least they have permition from relevant authorities before siting their churches; why not remove the log of ignorance blinding you before you try to blow at the speck in my eye.
I said you do not know what you are doing yet, and you've confirmed it again. "You are not a christian but read the bible, you were a muslim yesterday, today you are not a practising muslim, you are interested in understanding Buddism and Sikhism only to aqcuire knowledge". This is a more horrible position; jack of all faiths, ignorant in all.
In fact an atheist is in a much better position to receive understanding and salvation than somebody prostituting all around. I am just advising you, take a stand of faith today or not.
And stop talking about what you do not know, but in all things seek and get understanding. Remember, Jesus/God loves you very much.

This is a very interesting topic. Why do we keep on generalizing people on the basis of religion, tribe or even state? Yes, I agree with many statements made about people's actions caused by religion worldwide in particular by Muslims. However, I don't think that exposure will make a great difference to the world instead it might turn it into a pandemic.  Where I live is still some tension ongoing among Muslims and non-Muslims  because of several things that happened in 2004:

"The murder of Dutch movie director Theo van Gogh in November 2004 came just two months after his highly controversial film, Submission - about the abuse of Muslim women - was shown on national TV in Holland" retrieved from this source
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/3975211.stm

My point here is not to portay how bad Muslims are but that there is a difference between extremists and other practicing Muslims.  I have Arabic and Muslim  friends eventhough I do not agree with some of their views or they with mine on Islam and Christianity. We mostly keep  religion issues aside unless it concerns world matters like the one above where they were shocked about the actions of the Muslim man as well.  The nothern part of Nigeria is predominantly Muslims and some of these states are under Sharia law. I guess a lot of Muslims there are more 'fanatical' than in  Lagos for instance. The same goes for worldwide ( MiddleEast,  Asia, etc).  There are extremists of whites, blacks,  Muslims, Christianity  and  tribalists and so on.

I met  many Christians back home and in the Netherlands that I am very shocked and surprised about what they do or say to or/about people and still call themselves pastors or Christians.  Then, I think who am I to judge them . When they ask me why I don't attend their church I will tell them is because of this or that reason! It is up to them to acknowledge or defend the reason to me it really does not matter  what it is. I guess it all comes down to your (inner) heart and relationship with the marvelous Father of all creations.

In short, I agree with didoflex on this, we should try and free our minds and look at ourself first. Are we living the life that God wants us to? Are we helping each other regardless of the tribe, belief or social status one has?  Think before act! No one is perfect ! I guess no one will in this lifetime.

@ Havila

What is wrong in investigating other religion for more knowledge A person that is practising theology is a prostitute of all faiths. Well, I don't agree with you on that issue. If I read something about evolution and decide to research upon it does not mean I agree with the theory!

Hey Chichimma. Guess I meet someone with a bit of reasoning on this use that shoudn't be generating so so much controversy. I guess religion is just too personal and its difficult for people to just love each other regardless of religion, race, tribe blah blah.

I hear am confused cos I can reason and question religion. Its funny when u come to a forum where youre trying to bring people together through intellectual discuss and you get abused and called all sorts of names. Its all good I hold no grudges, it further inhances the non-Christ in such a person, the born again is a tag, a social tag, being born again is supposed to be being a better person in all facets of your life, ask Mother Teresa (One of my favorite people in the world) and Pope John Paul II (On top of my list also), Mahatma Ghandi etc. I miss those people who sacifice for the love of humanity, not religious profiteers!!!

Anyway am not here to add to your rebuke of me as confused, atheist or whatever, I called myself non-practising cos I don't adhere to all the tenets of Islam by the way Havila.

Let me digress and send u an article I just read now, PS. Its from Nigeria Today Online (Online Newspaper), Just enhances my views more, I guess there are still logical people out there:



Ashimolowo should focus on business or religion

Samira, samiritecreate@yahoo.com

Reverend Ashimolowo who is building the £35 million church in the UK should either focus on being a businessman, a magician, or a Reverend. His actions leaves no other preconceptions but the tincture of someone bordering on the fringes of the law. Why that for a Reverend? I'm a stickler for principles. Everyone has their place! No matter how we try to twist and mangle preferences, there is no other way to being a prelate than living and attaining that intensity of piety and sanctity-- carmen. To be a Reverend is not a job or a wage earning occupation of métier. Ashimolowo's priorities are misplaced and untamed, as far as I'm concerned. And there is no way those "starving" for spiritual nourishment could get fulfillment through him. As for those who are actually belly hungry, all he does is to help empty both their pockets and their pots.



This "Man of the Cloth" is not doing much good for the image of Nigerians in Britain . The man can't get out of the Bobbies' heads without always courting controversy and being constantly on the loop. Now he has embarked on a mammoth construction in a country which prides itself on the dimunitiveness of their architecture. And to crown it, he has the tax payers' windfall to prop him up. £35m for a church owned by one individual from a poor African country is a little expensive. Not only that, he is yet to cut the mustard on the front of incredibility. He is known for making outlandish statements spuriously, which at best do not promote the humble and pernucious values of a christian. His dabbling into money making business ventures seem to clash with his position as a prelate whose congregation is boosted chieflly by poor immigrants. Unlike America where he could've merged and blended in total anonymity, helped by the shroud and multiplicity of such churches, Pastor Ashimolowo and his Christian community are sticking out like a sore thumb in England . He is loud and often his controversial life-style seems to border on flouting the laws.



He is already barely being tolerated with a corruption fog hanging over his head. Being friends with other controversial pulpiteers like Creflo Dollar or Pray4$$ Pastor Ashimolowo has put himself under the harsh flair of the Inland Revenue. I hope they unearth more than just another 35 bank accounts. However, the most negative aspect of Preacher Ashimolowo's cockiness is the harm it does to the fledgling black/immigrant churches in England . In a country where the Church died, the upsurge and onslaught of terrorism has made many apostate Brits to find their spiritual side. The Black Churches had suddenly become the most populous every Sunday. His bringing the Church to disrepute will impact greatly on the few amongst the black community whose weekly attendance says something positive for the Black British community. Preacher Ashimolowo somehow reinforces all the prejudices and antipathy towards the Black British.



Bad news and Fanaticism:

The same face of madness

Damola Awoyokun, allynee@hotmail.com

Last week some papers reported this: Redeem to build $20million (N2.8b) church in California . KICC to build £35 million church(8.7b) in Europe . 2 million have died in Darfur , still counting. 4 million have died in Congo , still counting. AIDS has killed millions and millions will still go. There is satanic hunger and poverty all over Africa . Slavery, the real one still exist in Mauritania , there is human trafficking everywhere on the continent. Our rulers fleece our monies and leave us with bones, dictatorships and misrules all over Africa . Education, health care and social services are in shambles. 95% of the poorest nation in the world and failed states are in Africa . We cannot even take care of our children anymore. Shamefully, it is the Madonnas, the Brad Pits and Angelie Jolies that are coming to adopt, to take care of our children, yet the above bad news.



In South Africa on the dual carriage way between its two great cities Johannesburg and Pretoria, they have their silicon valley, all sorts of telecom and computer giants you can think of are there. In Nigeria along the Lagos-Ibadan expressway is a stretch of religious garbage that has nothing to do with our technological advancement, social progress or moral upliftment. Yet they want to take such titanic sum to build churches in places where their religion is seen practically on the streets. Are we really still sane? When they say there are demonic practices in Africa we are eager to think it is in occult practices or ritual murder. Excuse me it is also in the above bad news. Far less than one quarter of that amount is sufficient to engineer a meaningful cultural revolution, develop the next generation Africans that will turn the continent around in 10 years.

END.

Any comments

@chichimma,
I humbly suggest you take a little trip up the forum and read from up-down to get a better view of the trend of discussion shere. We were discussing before fidodido came in with some insinuations about Christianity and Jesus etc. What I did was simply to counter his claim, rubbish his insinuations and personally analyse him without generalisation. Now, don't make this about not willing to engage in dialogue on theology. If he wanted to engaged in discussion on theology, he would have done so.
I have every right to defend my faith and belief, just like everybody else. If we want discussions, cools let's discuss without insinuations.

@Didoflex,
About your articles, I have not much to say. Let everyman guard his faith jealously. My life, my faith, my mission, my God. Whatever Past. Ashimolowo is doing is between him and his God. The writers can write their opinion, but they should not be blind to what that particular church is doing around Hackney, one of the poorest boroughs in London - ministering to the homeless, supporting drug addicts, supporting orphans, grooming troubled teens etc. If the church is growing, praise be to God for them. Though I am not a member of the church, but they are part of the household of God.
RCCG is going to build our permanent site in the US, all glory to God, before you cry foul, why not find out about the African Mission arm of RCCG and see what is being done by that arm of the church. Why not worry about yourself and leave the churches, are the members complaining to you? Is there any law being broken because the church is growing and ministering to more and more. Some peoples want to build the largest mosque in Europe in East London, I have not read of any body writing and screaming.
Guard you own faith, my friend.

I give up, am not attacking you, your religion etc. I guess its too sensitive an issue to generate unbiased discuss.

Open you minds to the rest of the world. Guard your faith, well, Its yours (I wonder what you'll be if u were born in a Muslim/Hindu or Jewish family), Christian

I rest my case.

God be with you.

davidylan,you introduced me to a new word 'islamochristianity'.
I found a good case of it,read this by the governor of Kogi state,some alhaji something on the survival of his daughters from the recent air disaster.
I didn't realise how much Christianity has rubbed off on Naija Muslims.
To God be the glory.

Read on.


In another development, the Kogi State governor, Alhaji Ibrahim Idris, has narrated how his daughters were rescued by a farmer. Speaking with newsmen on Tuesday on his return to Lokoja, the state capital, Idris stated that the daughters were found near the burning wreckage of the plane when a farmer emerged and rescued them.

According to him, “what the children told me was that they were thrown off as the plane was crash-landing and they found themselves outside, near a burning place. How they got there, no one knows, but one farmer came and rescued them.”

Governor Idris, who was elated throughout his interaction with newsmen, described what happened to his family as a great miracle and enjoined others to draw nearer to God, saying there was nothing impossible for God to do.

“What has happened to me is a miracle, this is a clear evidence that God is in love with my family, a clear testimony for people to believe that our God is a living God. “To me, whatever happens to man is designed by God, He never made mistakes, I want to tell people that there is need for us to believe in God, each time I pray to God, my prayer is that God, let people see your glory in my life.”

Three of Governor Idris’ daughters - Aishat, Jemila and Zainab - were among the nine survivors of the plane crash.

didoflex:

I give up, am not attacking you, your religion etc. I guess its too sensitive an issue to generate unbiased discuss.
Open you minds to the rest of the world. Guard your faith, well, Its yours (I wonder what you'll be if u were born in a Muslim/Hindu or Jewish family), ChristianI rest my case.
God be with you.

@Didoflex,
Well, neither myself or Babyosisi attacked you, we only gave our response/opinion to the 'deja-vu' articles or e-mails you posted, we've seen it or heard it all before. Why dont you give us your own opinion or unbiased discuss.
My mind has already been opened to "the ONLY way, the truth and the life" and I have no desire to go back to the 'rest of the world' because there is nothing there other than a life of shame and directionless or hopeless life. This decision is anchored on the 'substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen'.
Do you have any idea of what I am talking about?

babyosisi:

davidylan,you introduced me to a new word 'islamochristianity'.
I found a good case of it,read this by the governor of Kogi state,some alhaji something on the survival of his daughters from the recent air disaster.
I didn't realise how much Christianity has rubed off on Naija Muslims.
To God be the glory.

Read on.


In another development, the Kogi State governor, Alhaji Ibrahim Idris, has narrated how his daughters were rescued by a farmer. Speaking with newsmen on Tuesday on his return to Lokoja, the state capital, Idris stated that the daughters were found near the burning wreckage of the plane when a farmer emerged and rescued them.

According to him, “what the children told me was that they were thrown off as the plane was crash-landing and they found themselves outside, near a burning place. How they got there, no one knows, but one farmer came and rescued them.”

Governor Idris, who was elated throughout his interaction with newsmen, described what happened to his family as a great miracle and enjoined others to draw nearer to God, saying there was nothing impossible for God to do.

“What has happened to me is a miracle, this is a clear evidence that God is in love with my family, a clear testimony for people to believe that our God is a living God. “To me, whatever happens to man is designed by God, He never made mistakes, I want to tell people that there is need for us to believe in God, each time I pray to God, my prayer is that God, let people see your glory in my life.”

Three of Governor Idris’ daughters - Aishat, Jemila and Zainab - were among the nine survivors of the plane crash.

For one minute i thought you were refering to one certain "Pastor" Idris!

Since when did Allah become a living 'god'? Wow now we are sharing "my God is a living God" with muslims now? Do they perchance say "God is good all the time and all the time God is good"?

Allah's "glory" in his servants lives? Since when did that become a part of the arabic prayer?

if i might ask do miracles exist in islam

i thot miracles is a christian thing to beleive in God for the impossible since when did islam start sharing the same God with christians

Nigerian muslims are a different breed.
Who knows if they are now laying hands.

I'm happy the Christian vocab has permeated into Islam that way,the transition may happen more easily if God permits.
I was dumbfounded to see that too.
So kaercy5 all we should do is watch and pray.

Phew!
Gosh!
Wow!

This thread has grown wings and I have to fly after it to catch up.

Many things are happening in Nigeria. And the Amnesty Report on the violations of the Federal Constitution of Nigeria and the UN Charter on Human Rights in Sharia states in Northern Nigeria is available online. And if we should abide by the rule of Law in Nigeria, all the governors in the Sharia states would be in jail for breaking the law. Because, they were sworn in on the Federal Constitution of Nigeria and not on their Al Qu'ran and so their Sharia is illegal and violates the rule of Law according to the Federal Constitution of Nigeria.

The problem is when Islamists attack and murder innocent people, their fellow Muslims don't troop out to condemn their atrocities like they do whenever they see offensive cartoons or messages against their prophet and Islam.

I have never seen Christians attacking Muslims for preaching Islam in Eastern Nigeria. And in fact, my uncle is a Muslim and he is building a mosque in our village and we have not attacked him.

Muslims should emulate good good Christians and stop being paranoid.

Islamic Paranoid must stop!

@Orikinla: I am happy to know that your Uncle is a muslim. Please give him my email, rather give his email or phone to me, so that i may contact him. I hope I can paticipate with him in is Masjid project.

You had stated in an earler entry that i am probably ashamed or word to that effect. Yes, i am always ashamed of bad behaviours of any muslim, the world over and yes, indeed that of myself. It is the current continuous bad behaviours of muslim/muslim group that gives you and other the ammo the one that you are using to write, truth and lies. Truth when you talk about what we all see as current event. Lies, when you fiction and copy the fiction of others against prophet Muhammad (AS). My question to you is this what do you think of your Muslim Uncle and how do you sleep at night knowing fully well that what you have said about Muhammad (AS) is false?

@Babyosisi: I went to your frontpage and other websites. My opinion, as I read their entries about Islam, these websites are garbage. Not even fit for dogs. I am responding to them sometimes within the week. I am only going to encourage them to see answering-christianity and other sites, where all their allegations were completely answered.

However, I am personally inviting you to read a weekly periodical named Mirror. You get it on line by going to www.readmirror.com.
Please go to Wednesday , October 25, 2006 edition. You will find on page 5, an article written by Mr. Uri Avnery, a notable jew. the title of the article is 'Muhammad's sword. On the same page, you will see another article titled, 'prophet muhammad (AS) Charter of Privileges to Christians". This is a letter that he wrote to the Christian Monks of St. catherine Monastery.
When I read your entries, sometimes, i am shocked. You tend to think that you and your type can defeat Muhammad (AS)! You forgot that he was a prophet of God. God said that He alone, is sufficient as Witness for Muhammad. Even if Muhammad was alone and against him are all creations, Jinns, the whole animal and plant kingdoms and man from Adam  and all the prophets, Jesus included as well as Moses (AS), assuming, if the prophets were to be added to the opposition side against Muhammad, yet Muhammad will still win. Muhammad alone is a majority because he is supported by the Lord of the world.

Those who were open enemies of Muhammad (AS), are enemies of Allah, the Angels of Allah and all prophets and believing men and women. In time, their end is always tragic. they are cursed by God and all His creations and doom of fire of hell is their permanent home! Look at what happened to Abu lahab and his wife. I am advising you because i do not want you to be blinded by arrogance. Muhammad (AS) said, when God hates a person and wants punish that person, He allows that one to be arrogant. In time the person increase in arrogance and then he/she is doomed. It is arrogance that was the sin of Iblis, a being from the race of the Jinns. In time, because of the arrogance, he increased in pride and puffed up. Look at what will happen to him at the end. He, Iblis now known as Shaitan (Satan), will be the leader of hell!

You also used the term,  "Islamochristianity", because a person says that his God 'Allah', is alive and loves him. Is it the God of Christians alone that is alive and able to love? Do you forget that you said that your christian God died, at least for 3 days, while the Muslim God is always alive, never asleep nor even slumber? Please @;255 (Surah Baqarah, verse 255, also known as the verse of the throne) In the Qur'an, Allah the Almighty said in many verse sthat Muhammad should tell mankind that if they believe in Allah, mankind, individually should follow Muhammad. Allah will love them and will forgive their sins. In some adith, Muhammad (AS) said, that when Allah loves a person, He mentions it to the Angels, they, the Angels loves the person and other creations love the person.

olabowale:

You also used the term, "Islamochristianity", because a person says that his God 'Allah', is alive and loves him. Is it the God of Christians alone that is alive and able to love? Do you forget that you said that your christian God died, at least for 3 days, while the Muslim God is always alive, never asleep nor even slumber? Please @;255 (Surah Baqarah, verse 255, also known as the verse of the throne) In the Qur'an, Allah the Almighty said in many verse sthat Muhammad should tell mankind that if they believe in Allah, mankind, individually should follow Muhammad. Allah will love them and will forgive their sins. In some adith, Muhammad (AS) said, that when Allah loves a person, He mentions it to the Angels, they, the Angels loves the person and other creations love the person.

Ah wait! Since when did Allah include "neither slumbers nor sleeps" into his hate manual? What is left in the bible that is yet to be copied?

davidylan:

Ah wait! Since when did Allah include "neither slumbers nor sleeps" into his hate manual? What is left in the bible that is yet to be copied?

I told you these folks have been changed.
Very soon allah will be living within them,infilling them and speaking through them.

Meanwhile olabowole,where have you been?
mecca or medina?

@Babyosisi: Evidently, you never take recommendation from anyone. Regardless of its potential usefulness to you. For examole, you posted your websites, I have visited most of them. You see, I am very comfortable with Islam. I know the truth. But I am always concern about my own deeds, since I am not an angel or prophet from God. Even in the Bible, most of God's prophets err. God did not protect them. In the Qur'an, you see the opposite. God shielded every prophet (AS) and defended them in many chapters of the allegations levied directly or indirectly on them by past nations, Jews and christians.

An indirect allegation, for example is the claim by paul and his cohorts that Jesus is son or God Himself! You know what i mean, the three in one hypothesis. In Suratul Al Maidah, you will see the conversation between the Lord of the worlds Allah the Almighty and His servant Isa bin mariam. The conversation categorically goes against the Biblical claim about Jesus.

But babyosisi, you have refused, stubbornly to even go to the websites that I recommend. I guess you have the fear of knowing the truth that you are wrong all along.

If you read the Qur'an, you will see how Allah the Almighty God, full of absolute power describes Himself. After all, if Juses is truly your God and it is not a saying of assumption in error, you will agree with me that you believe with almost the christian adherents that he at least died for part of the three days that you claim that he truly died. But Jesus is not my God, but only my prophet in islam. One of the successive human prophets and messengers of God. In the Qur'an, says that He is always alive, never tired, never warys, never sleeps, never dies, always ful lof power, etc. These qualities and more are unique, absolutely alone to my God. True and altinmate forgiveness and mercy belong to God, alone.

Thanks for asking about my whereabout. Sometimes I become very busy with this and that. I am spending my last weekend in Boston, InshaAllah and I will be heading back to my home in New York City, next saturday. My project in Boston is completed and I thank God the most Merciful Who all thanks really belong.