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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by greatiyk4u(m): 5:44am On Dec 23, 2015 |
This is exactly why it is called a budget of change...................borrowing 2 fund capital projects is not a bad idea, these capital budgets are exactly the economy boaster that will in turn put enough return on investment $38 oil bench mark is well calculated, since we are all assuming what the market will look like 2moro, there is also equal possibility of price rise....................................... Our problem in Nigeria is not borrowing money but lack of judicious use of the borrowed fund......I can deduce from ur write-up that u are using the previous govt of corruption as a yard stick 2 judge this govt of change,.................remb, more of the revenue target is on non-oil, with sincere implementation of this budget, Nigeria will surely experience a positive change. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by modath(f): 5:50am On Dec 23, 2015 |
@ TonyeBarcanista , Minus borrowing, what other options are there? 4 Likes |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:00am On Dec 23, 2015 |
lawydewy:The argument is not just about economic diversification, it is about how government plans to raise funds for 2016 while putting our future on the line. $38 oil benchmark, N6trillion budget, to borrow at least N2trillion (borrowing will be more than N2trillion though) |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:04am On Dec 23, 2015 |
greatiyk4u:So the $38 dollar oil benchmark is 'well calculated' because of your assumption? Have you considered whether indices on ground supports such assumption? Have you checked the market forecast? I also pray for oil price to exceed $38 per barrel but we can't plan budget on our wish alone |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by OAUTemitayo: 7:19am On Dec 23, 2015 |
Russia need to arm the Saudi Shites, let the revolution in Syria be felt in Saudi. Oil price will rise geometrically and Nigeria will be able to finance her budget! 1 Like |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Larriekay: 7:25am On Dec 23, 2015 |
arresa: 3 Likes |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Larriekay: 7:26am On Dec 23, 2015 |
Bevista: |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Henovy: 7:27am On Dec 23, 2015 |
APCLyingBastard:Prophet of doom! |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by greatiyk4u(m): 7:39am On Dec 23, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista: Some oil and gas experts including our state Minister for petroleum predicted a slight rise of oil prize next year,..........I don't think the idea of $38 is dat bad, since govt is already exploring other revenue generating options, let's keep our fingers crossed and watch out the outcome of the oil market coming year...........................prudence in execution of projects is one of the most important virtues lacking in our previous govt, of which we hope Buhari will be different. It is 50-50 situation, if the prize improves we gain, if it reduces, we adjust....situations like this is where the excess crude fund is needed, unfortunately extravagance and corruption cost us that opportunity.......4 now nothing spoil yet Thanks 3 Likes |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:54am On Dec 23, 2015 |
Bevista:I think you are sounding like the Greeks. You know they sounded same way and got their country into mess. While we need the country to be stimulated with cash, we can't lean towards more loan that will further force us to spend more to finance the loan as well as place more burden on the country. If you look at 2015 Budget, proposed loan was pegged at about N800 billion but the government had to borrow more and even dipped their hands into the ECA to withdraw $2.2 billion. Have you asked yourself "what happens in 2017" after borrowing about N3trillion to finance 2016 budget? Are we also going to borrow more to finance 2017 budget? What happens if crude oil price drop to $25 per barrel with the coming of the USA, Russia and Iran into the market and Saudi Arabia not planning to stop pumping anytime soon? Does that mean we'll borrow 4trillion naira? How do we sustain this loan in say 2, 3 or 5 years time? This isn't about politics. Remember that what was sustaining us over the years was interventions from ECA. At present that luxury is gone (no thanks to former administration and governors between 2007 and 2015) Your analysis on oil and non oil revenue need to be revisited. You will agree with me that crude oil earnings influenced other non oil earnings as we are not yet a producing country. A drop in crude oil price will affect import duty, tax payable to the government and well as personal income tax and other taxes. This is not so ambigous |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Jazzlite: 8:08am On Dec 23, 2015 |
modath sorry I DON'T see Nigeria developing at any time soon not in this generation.... unless managed by foreigners in a caretaker govt. modath: |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Bevista: 8:20am On Dec 23, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista:Tonye, whether you choose Austerity or you choose Stimulus, the end result will largely depend on the sincerity and commitment of managers of the economy. I am telling you that it is standard fiscal policy every where in the world for deficit to increase during recessions. In fact, in developed countries, they increase deficit just to pay unemployment & social security benefits. I expect you to tell me an alternative policy/strategy that the government should be deploying. Go to the US, UK, Europe, Japan, etc and see how much government deficits and Central Bank balance sheets increased in the wake of the GFC. Companies leverage (borrow) all the time to finance projects for future cash flow The key is not in the borrowing, but in what government intends to do with it and their commitment to getting it done. The govt has made it clear that all borrowing will be deployed to developing infrastructure, which should promote economic growth and subsequently lead to increased Tax Revenue for government. But we'll have to wait and see how it is implemented. We are not over-leveraged. The US has a debt to GDP ratio of around 100%, Japan has a ratio of around 200%, South Africa has a of around 38%. Nigeria will have a ratio of around 13%. The government has made it clear that they will have a Sinking Fund as forward planning towards eventual retirement of the debt. 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Jesusloveyou: 8:25am On Dec 23, 2015 |
dunkem21:wailers wil never learn to be patience, the bench mark is to whom advantage, wil u wailers would have preferred to peg it @$20? By then ur wailings wil be increase , PMB would have preferred to peg it @$20, moreover if d oil price go up tomorrow @$50 to whose advantage 2 Likes |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by WaffenSS(m): 8:34am On Dec 23, 2015 |
yanabasee: Let's use you as a case study to answer your question: You've a large family. You've got to feed them 3 times a day, pay school fees, utilities etc. Let's say you earn 100k a month. but of this you can only save 1k every month after meeting your obligations. But lately your employer is having some financial problems due to poor sales, and your salary is cut down to 30k. Obviously this cannot even pay your transport to and from work. Thus, you brainstorm on your fate, and hit the brilliant idea to farm the little piece of land in your compound and also open a small kiosk for your wife in order to supplement your income. Now remember, you need farm implements, seeds, water hose etc. You also need to buy wood, aluminun, nails etc to construct the kiosk. Then you need to buy stock. And all you've is 30k. And your family still needs to feed. Therefore, the only option before you is to borrow enough to feed your brood, get your farm and shop going. Hopefully, both ventures would be successful enough that you won't need to bother much with your dwindling salary. The above is a very crude and simple way of realizing that in order to develop other revenue streams to supplant oil, Nigeria must spend. We don't have the cash to do much. Thus, we've to borrow. Every one borrows, even the US. The problem was that all these years government was borrowing not ro invest in infrastructure, but to sponsor its gargantuan luxury hunger. We borrow to consume. All those jets and yachts and cars and girls cost money. Also, the amount PMB is borrowing is still many percentage points lower than the GDP. That's a healthy ratio. 12 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by sweetgala(m): 8:41am On Dec 23, 2015 |
PROVACATEUR: Socialist budget ! You must not have read the part where the growth of enterprise through provision of busary for science and technology students is encouraged, one where tax incentives are given to investors in the areas of agriculture and solid minerals. I don't know what would satisfy you guys. The only qualms I have is the issue of the oil price benchmark at $38, when it is obvious it would not stay put there. Very likely may drop to $20 once Iran starts to service the major consumers India and China 1 Like |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by sweetgala(m): 8:44am On Dec 23, 2015 |
WaffenSS: Thank you very much, 14% is well below global accepted levels 3 Likes |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by trillville(m): 8:48am On Dec 23, 2015 |
@TonyeBarcanista, the price of oil, though majorly determined by forces of demand and supply, is also determined by the strength of the US dollar. This is because oil is sold primarily in US dollars hence the term petrodollars. The US dollar strengthens when the US economy strengthens (I.e. interest rates go up so people buy US treasury bills and bonds increasing the demand for US dollar assets), and the dollar weakens when the US economy weakens. Crude prices started falling in the middle of 2014 when the federal reserve chair lady announced that the federal reserve would start lifting rates (basically saying the US economy is strengthening). Last week the US federal reserve raised rates for the first time in 9 years and the price of oil also saw its lowest level in 9 years. Again this December, the Chinese yuan (currency) was given status as a reserve currency by the IMF placing it in the SDR currency basket. Although this takes effect in September 2016. The implication of this should be a weaker US dollar since central banks around the world may decide to switch or include the yuan in their external reserves as this would reduce demand for the US dollar thereby leading to higher oil prices since oil is sold in US dollars. Why am I telling you all these, so you realize predicting the price of crude oil is much harder than simply looking at demand and supply figures. If the US falls into a recession like most other countries today, oil prices may shoot up, if central banks decide to use the yuan (e.g. Zimbabwe), oil prices will shoot up, if OPEC can successfully ensure all its members reduce production by only 5 percent of today's production numbers, oil prices will shoot up. Finally, Buhari has lots of options on the table, by employing 500,000 youths into teaching jobs(very important to our future), he would have the political capital to dramatically reduce the number of civil servants (many not so useful jobs). Let's all hope and pray for the best. We are in this mess already, we can only try to dig ourselves out of it. Ps. Sorry about any typos. Don't have time to review. Merry Christmas. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by sweetgala(m): 8:52am On Dec 23, 2015 |
Bevista: Thank you, I still remember vividly Fashola answer when he was asked about his borrowing culture while he was at the helm in Lagos state, he simply reminded everyone that it is not a new development to borrow money but what is important is what is done with the borrowed funds. Nigeria are not in a position to simulate the economy without incurring a deficit, it has been shown that the bulk of said borrowing would be invested in capital projects while we diversify our economy , reaping the vast resources in agriculture and solid minerals by 2017, bringing a lasting solution to the electricity issue so we can increase manufacturing capacity ,adding value to exported goods, increasing employment and thereby improving the income from corporate and personal tax. Import substitution and improvement in our transport system etc Buhari does not have the luxury of crude oil at over $61 2 Likes |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by yanabasee(m): 9:01am On Dec 23, 2015 |
WaffenSS: From your analysis, you didn't consider TIME.. How long will it take Buhari to smoothen every hardship? Venezuela borrowed about $1.5billion and was said to pay back in 2016 using OIL. But as the oil price is decreasing it's going to be very difficult for Venezuela to meet up with it's debts. The (to be) loan cash is not going to be used to invest on other section of the country's economy.... 1 Like |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by sweetgala(m): 9:08am On Dec 23, 2015 |
greatiyk4u: OPEC is at war, Saudi Arabia is not playing ball , it can not bring Iran and Russia into the fold. We are increasing our harvest of natural gas which was usually otherwise wasted(flared). This would go into our reinvigorated power stations and new ones coming onboard. When our refineries come onboard fully and new ones are built by private investors when can add more value to exported products, and reduce the cost of importation of PTMS and diesel. The time of Buhari promises much, it's our duty to keep him and his team in their feet, keep at the necks of the NASS ensuring they do their duties. See how we can make use of the enterprise encouraging circumstances and do our nation and future generations proud 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by NavierStokes(m): 9:15am On Dec 23, 2015 |
This government has been following the footsteps of her "worthy" example. All the policies so far has been in tandem with Venezuela and I am afraid the results may not be too different. http://media.bishopi.com/ec.aspx?l=16935354&e=1514270 |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Jesusloveyou: 9:17am On Dec 23, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista:ur argument should be center on 820b naira oil revenue, whether we can raise that in 2016, or what if we raise 1.2tr naira from oil revenue in d period under review, or what if revenue from non-oil increase due to increase in growth rate and as a result of economy boost from social welfare, also considered corruption and waste of d past govt, also considered subsidy removal and functioning of our refinery, many factors wil be at play to realise d budget of change 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by DropShot: 9:23am On Dec 23, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista:The rationale for $38 bench mark is in the expectation that oil price will pick up. As I type now, it is $36.48 up from $35 two days back. OPEC expects that crude price will pick before 2nd half of 2016 as a result of US finding it more expensive to produce from shale. Anyway, we wait to see how things unfold but $38 is not too bad for bench mark. 2. According to the 2016 Budget, Nigeria's projected revenue for 2016 is N3.86 trillion and deficit of N2.22 trillion with oil benchmark at $38 dollar per barrel. The government dedicated N1.8 trillion ie 30% set aside for capital expenditure, and projected to incur loan of N1.84 trillion.Will you have preferred the old arrangement of borrowing to finance recurrent expenditure? More Debt?There is a lot of wisdom in borrowing to finance capital projects. There is no huge debt anywhere because there is already a provision of N1.36tn to service our debts in addition to N113bn for retiring maturing loan. Read this and see if it does not make sense. "The deficit, which is equivalent to 2.16% of Nigeria’s GDP, will take our overall debt profile to 14% of our GDP. This remains well within acceptable fiscal limits. Our deficit will be financed by a combination of domestic borrowing of N984 billion, and foreign borrowing of N900 billion totaling N1.84 trillion. Over the medium term, we expect to increase revenues and reduce overheads, to bring the fiscal deficit down to 1.3% of GDP by 2018." Will Government Ever Learn?All budgets are largely based on assumptions. We have had budgets with lower oil bench mark which resulted in us earning excess from crude. Where is that excess earnings now? With our debt projected to be 14% of our GDP, even if the crude price drops to around $25 per barrel (very unlikely), it won't take our debt burden to even 20% of our GDP. The very good thing about this year budget is the fact that oil related revenue represents only 13.6% of it. It makes you wonder how much past governments have failed to block wastages emanating from looting/stealing and corruption. The president is very well on the right track. He needs our support to deliver the good intention/budget. 10 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by WaffenSS(m): 9:37am On Dec 23, 2015 |
yanabasee: Why are we asking this question 7 months into a 4 year term? This government will officially take off once tha budget is passed, since that's effectively the time its programs can be implemented. If GEJ couldn't fix the mess in 6 years with oil at over $100, I wonder why we place so much expectation on PMB barely 7 months in with oil at less than $40. yanabasee: Venezuela used its oil revenue as a bulwark. Nigeria is projecting non oil incomes as payment mechanism. yanabasee: Really? Out of about 2 trillion to be borrowed, 1.8 trillion is going to capital expenditures. Last year with all the borrowings, only 557 billion went to capital. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by modath(f): 9:44am On Dec 23, 2015 |
Jazzlite: It must work oooo, we nor get anoda place oo ![]() 1 Like |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by lawydewy(m): 9:56am On Dec 23, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista: God love Nigeria! Is not new/first time a country will borrow money or hold debt. America is holding debt from Saudi Arabia With hardworking, sincerely and honesty of our leaders, God will help. I believe is with us despite our bad leadership styles, God is still with us. God will see ur through... thanks bro! 2 Likes |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by lawydewy(m): 10:04am On Dec 23, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista: God love Nigeria! Is not new/first time a country will borrow money or hold debt. America is holding debt from china,japan,uk,Saudi Arabia etc With hardworking, sincerely and honesty of our leaders, God will help. I believe is with us despite our bad leadership styles, God is still with us. God will see ur through... thanks bro! |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:15am On Dec 23, 2015 |
Bevista:My brother, our situation can be likened to a family that is to choose between enduring hardship while planning for better days ahead and borrowing more money to satisfy the present but endanger the future. Left for me, I'd have preferred austerity that may last between two to three years than a stimulus arrangement that may subject us into more burden in the future. |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Nobody: 10:39am On Dec 23, 2015 |
sweetgala:the agro and solid mineral sectors are in the north which is ravaged with insurgency and its a no go area for foreign investors. How can you budget for a futuristic investment considering the insecurity in our country |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by fineguy11(m): 11:00am On Dec 23, 2015 |
arresa:its so unfortunate for that barcanister of a man..he wasnt even man enough to type what u just pointed out coz he knws it's economic suicide,GREECE is a perfect example... 1 Like |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by fineguy11(m): 11:05am On Dec 23, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista:if u want to live a lifesyle of austerity,pack and go to greece,i hear they're dishing out free visas..will austerity tackle our unemployment problems,will it provide the much needed infrastructure to drive growth and employment?. 2 Likes |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by arresa: 2:49pm On Dec 23, 2015 |
yanabasee: Venezuela is not Nigeria, Nigeria is not Venezuela, our objectives for taking out loans are different and our strategies and capacities per paying back our loans are not the same. Nigeria's loan strategies addressed diversification, economic stimulation, jobs, expanded tax base and most importantly, dedicated loan repayment savings provisions and strategies. Lagos state comfortably make debt payments and still maintains the best local and international credit ratings in Nigeria because they not only have the capacity to service their debt obligations, they set money aside specifically designed to service debt obligations and this budget enshrines the same debt servicing provisions. Again, Nigeria is not Venezuela and our economic situation and realities are not the same so no need for Apple and Orange comparisons. 1 Like |
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