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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by greatiyk4u(m): 5:44am On Dec 23, 2015
This is exactly why it is called a budget of change...................borrowing 2 fund capital projects is not a bad idea, these capital budgets are exactly the economy boaster that will in turn put enough return on investment

$38 oil bench mark is well calculated, since we are all assuming what the market will look like 2moro, there is also equal possibility of price rise.......................................

Our problem in Nigeria is not borrowing money but lack of judicious use of the borrowed fund......I can deduce from ur write-up that u are using the previous govt of corruption as a yard stick 2 judge this govt of change,.................remb, more of the revenue target is on non-oil, with sincere implementation of this budget, Nigeria will surely experience a positive change.

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by modath(f): 5:50am On Dec 23, 2015
@ TonyeBarcanista ,

Minus borrowing, what other options are there?

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:00am On Dec 23, 2015
lawydewy:

Is it only crude oil that generate revenue for Nigeria? when
the past governments let us to believe in only crude oil.
what do you kwon about economy diversity?
solid mineral.
import/export duties.
tax.
tourism.
agriculture products & processing.
Petro chemistry products if our refineries are working.
standard education (foreign students pay)
power.
etc
The argument is not just about economic diversification, it is about how government plans to raise funds for 2016 while putting our future on the line. $38 oil benchmark, N6trillion budget, to borrow at least N2trillion (borrowing will be more than N2trillion though)
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:04am On Dec 23, 2015
greatiyk4u:
This is exactly why it is called a budget of change...................borrowing 2 fund capital projects is not a bad idea, these capital budgets are exactly the economy boaster that will in turn put enough return on investment

$38 oil bench mark is well calculated, since we are all assuming what the market will look like 2moro, there is also equal possibility of price rise.......................................

Our problem in Nigeria is not borrowing money but lack of judicious use of the borrowed fund......I can deduce from ur write-up that u are using the previous govt of corruption as a yard stick 2 judge this govt of change,.................remb, more of the revenue target is on non-oil, with sincere implementation of this budget, Nigeria will surely experience a positive change.
So the $38 dollar oil benchmark is 'well calculated' because of your assumption? Have you considered whether indices on ground supports such assumption? Have you checked the market forecast? I also pray for oil price to exceed $38 per barrel but we can't plan budget on our wish alone
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by OAUTemitayo: 7:19am On Dec 23, 2015
Russia need to arm the Saudi Shites, let the revolution in Syria be felt in Saudi. Oil price will rise geometrically and Nigeria will be able to finance her budget!

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Larriekay: 7:25am On Dec 23, 2015
arresa:
1. We are too far down the hole and the only way out is to increase spending in critical areas to get more Nigerians working and generate needed steam in our economy.

2. In struggling economies all over the world, it's either they you introduce severe austerity and massive lay offs or increased infrastructure spending to stimulate the economy via job creation..

3. Austerity can not help us today because we are too battered and depleted to the bone

4. Lay offs spells the same doom for our already bad economic and employment situation.

5. There's no reason to stay down when you are down, else you remain down, it's either you spend big to get up or close up shop for good.

6. Our past budgets are mostly government salary and maintenance budgets still subject to looting and stealing with zero reference to infrastructures and Nigerians beyond the seat of power.

7. Today's budget addressed our poor economy = Improved Economy means improved government revenue

8. It addressed our hopeless unemployment situation = Improved job situation means improved government revenue via taxes

9. It addressed our crumbling infrastructure = Improved infrastructure spending means more construction jobs from unskilled labor to skilled labor like engineers and so on which again means improved government revenue via taxes

10. It addressed our untapped resources and capabilities = improved government revenue and national exports

11. When it's time to stimulate the economy in America where we copied our democracy from, they borrow money to increase infrastructure spending because it not only pumps money into the economy, it creates jobs and expand the government's tax base.

12. GEJ budgeted less than N50 billion for the most vital and critical sectors namely Works, Power and Housing. What can you buy with N50 billion? What can you build with that kind of money? How many people can you put to work with that kind of money? Even sadly, that little N50 billion was obviously looted since we didn't see anything they did with our money apart from Dasuki's sharing bonanza left and right.

13. Today, there's a clear difference between N50 billion and N433 billion for all 3 major job creating and infrastructure building sectors namely Works, Power and Housing


This budget is the best and the most realistic budget simply because it addressed and acknowledge our present situation.

When Nigeria was under the looting and stealing assault that go us to this precarious situation, we didn't see you and your kind crying over the sad burden they saddled us with,we didn't read any of your daily roadside and uninformed analysis, but all of a sudden, we see deceptive and mentally crooked people like you everyday preaching and crying over nothing. Sadly, your cries and daily gyrations has nothing to do with what's best for Nigeria hence this mindless, thoughtless and upside down thinking basement faculty post.


You have the capacity to reason intelligently and educate your many ignorant and unexposed followers on NL, but you always manage to expose and bore us with your own aimless, elementary and half baked thoughts.



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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Larriekay: 7:26am On Dec 23, 2015
Bevista:
So much partisanship in the comments, with very little intellectual input.
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Nigeria is on the brink of a recession. During times like this, it is standard economic practice to STIMULATE the economy through expansionary fiscal/monetary policies. Any attempt to do the contrary will lead to what is called the AUSTERITY TRAP - i.e. cutting spending during recessions simply deepen the recession. It is standard fiscal policy for deficit to increase during recessions.

So much concerns has been raised - rightly so - about the benchmark oil price used in the budget. But a look at the proposed N6.08tn budget puts oil revenue at N820bn out of a total revenue expectation of N3.8tn. This means that oil revenue is expected to account for only 22% of total revenue and 14% of total budget. A further drop in oil price by 20% will only have a 5% & 3% impact on revenue and total budget respectively. Of course, this is a simplistic analysis, as the FX shortfall from lower oil prices may have other consequences.
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In summary, what Nigeria needs right now is STIMULUS - which is exactly what the budget seeks to achieve (as long as the funds don't go the Dasuki way). The Oil price is fair at the moment; the government might adjust its MTEF if the realities change - the budget is not sacrosanct or cast-in-stone.
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Henovy: 7:27am On Dec 23, 2015
APCLyingBastard:
I can bet my left nut that this budget will rise to 9 trillion before the end of 2016.

A supplementary budget will be passed before June.

Mark my words
Prophet of doom!
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by greatiyk4u(m): 7:39am On Dec 23, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
So the $38 dollar oil benchmark is 'well calculated' because of your assumption? Have you considered whether indices on ground supports such assumption? Have you checked the market forecast? I also pray for oil price to exceed $38 per barrel but we can't plan budget on our wish alone

Some oil and gas experts including our state Minister for petroleum predicted a slight rise of oil prize next year,..........I don't think the idea of $38 is dat bad, since govt is already exploring other revenue generating options, let's keep our fingers crossed and watch out the outcome of the oil market coming year...........................prudence in execution of projects is one of the most important virtues lacking in our previous govt, of which we hope Buhari will be different.

It is 50-50 situation, if the prize improves we gain, if it reduces, we adjust....situations like this is where the excess crude fund is needed, unfortunately extravagance and corruption cost us that opportunity.......4 now nothing spoil yet

Thanks

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 7:54am On Dec 23, 2015
Bevista:
So much partisanship in the comments, with very little intellectual input.
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Nigeria is on the brink of a recession. During times like this, it is standard economic practice to STIMULATE the economy through expansionary fiscal/monetary policies. Any attempt to do the contrary will lead to what is called the AUSTERITY TRAP - i.e. cutting spending during recessions simply deepen the recession. It is standard fiscal policy for deficit to increase during recessions.

So much concerns has been raised - rightly so - about the benchmark oil price used in the budget. But a look at the proposed N6.08tn budget puts oil revenue at N820bn out of a total revenue expectation of N3.8tn. This means that oil revenue is expected to account for only 22% of total revenue and 14% of total budget. A further drop in oil price by 20% will only have a 5% & 3% impact on revenue and total budget respectively. Of course, this is a simplistic analysis, as the FX shortfall from lower oil prices may have other consequences.
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In summary, what Nigeria needs right now is STIMULUS - which is exactly what the budget seeks to achieve (as long as the funds don't go the Dasuki way). The Oil price is fair at the moment; the government might adjust its MTEF if the realities change - the budget is not sacrosanct or cast-in-stone.
I think you are sounding like the Greeks. You know they sounded same way and got their country into mess.

While we need the country to be stimulated with cash, we can't lean towards more loan that will further force us to spend more to finance the loan as well as place more burden on the country. If you look at 2015 Budget, proposed loan was pegged at about N800 billion but the government had to borrow more and even dipped their hands into the ECA to withdraw $2.2 billion. Have you asked yourself "what happens in 2017" after borrowing about N3trillion to finance 2016 budget? Are we also going to borrow more to finance 2017 budget? What happens if crude oil price drop to $25 per barrel with the coming of the USA, Russia and Iran into the market and Saudi Arabia not planning to stop pumping anytime soon? Does that mean we'll borrow 4trillion naira?

How do we sustain this loan in say 2, 3 or 5 years time? This isn't about politics. Remember that what was sustaining us over the years was interventions from ECA. At present that luxury is gone (no thanks to former administration and governors between 2007 and 2015)

Your analysis on oil and non oil revenue need to be revisited. You will agree with me that crude oil earnings influenced other non oil earnings as we are not yet a producing country. A drop in crude oil price will affect import duty, tax payable to the government and well as personal income tax and other taxes. This is not so ambigous
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Jazzlite: 8:08am On Dec 23, 2015
modath sorry I DON'T see Nigeria developing at any time soon not in this generation.... unless managed by foreigners in a caretaker govt.


modath:
@ TonyeBarcanista ,

Minus borrowing, what other options are there?

Furthermore, i won't make any comment cos my submission will come across as partisan & considering this article of yours would have been a non starter if thr shoe were to be on the other foot....

*The oil benchmark is idealistic though.*




@ provocateur,

That PIB will only take a miracle to be passed....

*sidebar*

On the point about Socialism vs Capitalism, would have agreed with you if Nigerians aren't / weren't peculiar people, who are also blood suckers & will capitalize (pun intended) on the free hand given to make life miserable for the ordinary Joe / Jane.

[b]Most people who make reference to what we have in TELCO today weren't fully aware of life / living in the years 2001-2003 that Econet & MTN robbed us blind till Globacom came to the rescue .... Read about Strive Mayiwa, serious eye opener..

Babe, give or take inflation , 50 naira then is about 200 or thereabout while 15 for sms should be in the region of 70-80 & they insisted anything short of per min billing would crash their systems .. undecided undecided

My story presents a contradiction i know cheesy, cos competition forced the price lower but we can all remember that Glo didn't start ops the same period as these two, Glo had no choice but to introduced Per Sec.


When Etisalat got into the market in '08, the task of providing call centre agents was given to my cousin's firm & he claimed Eti was planning to pay these staff 200k with a meal at work & tea break....

He told me the Nigerian patners (not shareholders, zero investments, just Biz Facilitators) were ridiculing Etisalat Mgt for being " wasteful learners" cos as they insisted, 50kwas more than good enough especially in a job where they aren't stressed, cos they are in AC all day.

Eventually after much back & forth Etisalat decided they weren't savages & settled on 110k or 120k,& insisted the meal will stay as well, can't remember how medical benefits was settled cos my cousin said the Nigerian folks were against that as well!!. ...

Are these the kind of people that should be left alone to manage the affairs of the country?? [/b]


*a don finish you with epistle* smiley





Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Bevista: 8:20am On Dec 23, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

I think you are sounding like the Greeks. You know they sounded same way and got their country into mess.

While we need the country to be stimulated with cash, we can't lean towards more loan that will further force us to spend more to finance the loan as well as place more burden on the country. If you look at 2015 Budget, proposed loan was pegged at about N800 billion but the government had to borrow more and even dipped their hands into the ECA to withdraw $2.2 billion. Have you asked yourself "what happens in 2017" after borrowing about N3trillion to finance 2016 budget? Are we also going to borrow more to finance 2017 budget? What happens if crude oil price drop to $25 per barrel with the coming of the USA, Russia and Iran into the market and Saudi Arabia not planning to stop pumping anytime soon? Does that mean we'll borrow 4trillion naira?

How do we sustain this loan in say 2, 3 or 5 years time? This isn't about politics. Remember that what was sustaining us over the years was interventions from ECA. At present that luxury is gone (no thanks to former administration and governors between 2007 and 2015)
Tonye, whether you choose Austerity or you choose Stimulus, the end result will largely depend on the sincerity and commitment of managers of the economy.

I am telling you that it is standard fiscal policy every where in the world for deficit to increase during recessions. In fact, in developed countries, they increase deficit just to pay unemployment & social security benefits. I expect you to tell me an alternative policy/strategy that the government should be deploying.

Go to the US, UK, Europe, Japan, etc and see how much government deficits and Central Bank balance sheets increased in the wake of the GFC. Companies leverage (borrow) all the time to finance projects for future cash flow

The key is not in the borrowing, but in what government intends to do with it and their commitment to getting it done. The govt has made it clear that all borrowing will be deployed to developing infrastructure, which should promote economic growth and subsequently lead to increased Tax Revenue for government. But we'll have to wait and see how it is implemented.

We are not over-leveraged. The US has a debt to GDP ratio of around 100%, Japan has a ratio of around 200%, South Africa has a of around 38%. Nigeria will have a ratio of around 13%. The government has made it clear that they will have a Sinking Fund as forward planning towards eventual retirement of the debt.

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Jesusloveyou: 8:25am On Dec 23, 2015
dunkem21:
A masterpiece to be frank .. Barcanista is a rare gem, ignore him at your own peril ..


The JAMB question remains " What is the rationale behind $38 oil benchmark ..

..when Iran and the giant USA is planning to SELL OIL TO NIGERIA!

wailers wil never learn to be patience, the bench mark is to whom advantage, wil u wailers would have preferred to peg it @$20? By then ur wailings wil be increase , PMB would have preferred to peg it @$20, moreover if d oil price go up tomorrow @$50 to whose advantage

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by WaffenSS(m): 8:34am On Dec 23, 2015
yanabasee:
And come 2016... The oil price is predicted to reduce to $15 per barrel and this will be very difficult for Nigeria with the said debt (loan) that Buhari will incur upon Nigeria...with the hope of paying back using "OIL" as our ONLY source of revenue.

This will reflect exactly what Venezuela is passing through right now.....

How can a President who took an oat to protect the people and make life easy for them, tell the people that NIGERIANS WILL EXPERIENCE HARDSHIP COME 2016. It shows that, this administration has NO economical plan(s) or whatsoever to redeem us from any hardship...

No jobs anymore, the little companies around have been reducing their staffs and even federal/state government staffs are owed. What is going on?


Let's use you as a case study to answer your question:

You've a large family. You've got to feed them 3 times a day, pay school fees, utilities etc.

Let's say you earn 100k a month. but of this you can only save 1k every month after meeting your obligations.

But lately your employer is having some financial problems due to poor sales, and your salary is cut down to 30k.

Obviously this cannot even pay your transport to and from work.

Thus, you brainstorm on your fate, and hit the brilliant idea to farm the little piece of land in your compound and also open a small kiosk for your wife in order to supplement your income.

Now remember, you need farm implements, seeds, water hose etc. You also need to buy wood, aluminun, nails etc to construct the kiosk. Then you need to buy stock.

And all you've is 30k. And your family still needs to feed.

Therefore, the only option before you is to borrow enough to feed your brood, get your farm and shop going. Hopefully, both ventures would be successful enough that you won't need to bother much with your dwindling salary.

The above is a very crude and simple way of realizing that in order to develop other revenue streams to supplant oil, Nigeria must spend.

We don't have the cash to do much. Thus, we've to borrow.

Every one borrows, even the US. The problem was that all these years government was borrowing not ro invest in infrastructure, but to sponsor its gargantuan luxury hunger.

We borrow to consume. All those jets and yachts and cars and girls cost money.

Also, the amount PMB is borrowing is still many percentage points lower than the GDP. That's a healthy ratio.

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by sweetgala(m): 8:41am On Dec 23, 2015
PROVACATEUR:
I can only point out a socialist budget where the central govt controls the economy while capitalism is relegated to the background

Socialist budget ! You must not have read the part where the growth of enterprise through provision of busary for science and technology students is encouraged, one where tax incentives are given to investors in the areas of agriculture and solid minerals.

I don't know what would satisfy you guys.

The only qualms I have is the issue of the oil price benchmark at $38, when it is obvious it would not stay put there. Very likely may drop to $20 once Iran starts to service the major consumers India and China

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by sweetgala(m): 8:44am On Dec 23, 2015
WaffenSS:


Let's use you as a case study to answer your question:

You've a large family. You've got to feed them 3 times a day, pay school fees, utilities etc.

Let's say you earn 100k a month. but of this you can only save 1k every month after meeting your obligations.

But lately your employer is having some financial problems due to poor sales, and your salary is cut down to 30k.

Obviously this cannot even pay your transport to and from work.

Thus, you brainstorm on your fate, and hit the brilliant idea to farm the little piece of land in your compound and also open a small kiosk for your wife in order to supplement your income.

Now remember, you need farm implements, seeds, water hose etc. You also need to buy wood, aluminun, nails etc to construct the kiosk. Then you need to buy stock.

And all you've is 30k. And your family still needs to feed.

Therefore, the only option before you is to borrow enough to feed your brood, get your farm and shop going. Hopefully, both ventures would be successful enough that you won't need to bother much with your dwindling salary.

The above is a very crude and simple way of realizing that in order to develop other revenue streams to supplant oil, Nigeria must spend.

We don't have the cash to do much. Thus, we've to borrow.

Every one borrows, even the US. The problem was that all these years government was borrowing not ro invest in infrastructure, but to sponsor its gargantuan luxury hunger.

We borrow to consume. All those jets and yachts and cars and girls cost money.

Also, the amount PMB is borrowing is still many percentage points lower than the GDP. That's a healthy ratio.

Thank you very much, 14% is well below global accepted levels

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by trillville(m): 8:48am On Dec 23, 2015
@TonyeBarcanista, the price of oil, though majorly determined by forces of demand and supply, is also determined by the strength of the US dollar. This is because oil is sold primarily in US dollars hence the term petrodollars.

The US dollar strengthens when the US economy strengthens (I.e. interest rates go up so people buy US treasury bills and bonds increasing the demand for US dollar assets), and the dollar weakens when the US economy weakens.

Crude prices started falling in the middle of 2014 when the federal reserve chair lady announced that the federal reserve would start lifting rates (basically saying the US economy is strengthening). Last week the US federal reserve raised rates for the first time in 9 years and the price of oil also saw its lowest level in 9 years.


Again this December, the Chinese yuan (currency) was given status as a reserve currency by the IMF placing it in the SDR currency basket. Although this takes effect in September 2016. The implication of this should be a weaker US dollar since central banks around the world may decide to switch or include the yuan in their external reserves as this would reduce demand for the US dollar thereby leading to higher oil prices since oil is sold in US dollars.

Why am I telling you all these, so you realize predicting the price of crude oil is much harder than simply looking at demand and supply figures. If the US falls into a recession like most other countries today, oil prices may shoot up, if central banks decide to use the yuan (e.g. Zimbabwe), oil prices will shoot up, if OPEC can successfully ensure all its members reduce production by only 5 percent of today's production numbers, oil prices will shoot up.

Finally, Buhari has lots of options on the table, by employing 500,000 youths into teaching jobs(very important to our future), he would have the political capital to dramatically reduce the number of civil servants (many not so useful jobs).

Let's all hope and pray for the best. We are in this mess already, we can only try to dig ourselves out of it.


Ps. Sorry about any typos. Don't have time to review. Merry Christmas.

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by sweetgala(m): 8:52am On Dec 23, 2015
Bevista:
Tonye, whether you choose Austerity or you choose Stimulus, the end result will largely depend on the sincerity and commitment of managers of the economy.

I am telling you that it is standard fiscal policy every where in the world for deficit to increase during recessions. In fact, in developed countries, they increase deficit just to pay unemployment & social security benefits. I expect you to tell me an alternative policy/strategy that the government should be deploying.

Go to the US, UK, Europe, Japan, etc and see how much government deficits and Central Bank balance sheets increased in the wake of the GFC. Companies leverage (borrow) all the time to finance projects for future cash flow

The key is not in the borrowing, but in what government intends to do with it and their commitment to getting it done. The govt has made it clear that all borrowing will be deployed to developing infrastructure, but we'll have to wait and see how it is implemented.

We are not over-leveraged. The US has a debt to GDP ratio of around 100%, Japan has a ratio of around 200%, South Africa has a of around 38%. Nigeria will have a ratio of around 13%.

Thank you, I still remember vividly Fashola answer when he was asked about his borrowing culture while he was at the helm in Lagos state, he simply reminded everyone that it is not a new development to borrow money but what is important is what is done with the borrowed funds.

Nigeria are not in a position to simulate the economy without incurring a deficit, it has been shown that the bulk of said borrowing would be invested in capital projects while we diversify our economy , reaping the vast resources in agriculture and solid minerals by 2017, bringing a lasting solution to the electricity issue so we can increase manufacturing capacity ,adding value to exported goods, increasing employment and thereby improving the income from corporate and personal tax. Import substitution and improvement in our transport system etc

Buhari does not have the luxury of crude oil at over $61

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by yanabasee(m): 9:01am On Dec 23, 2015
WaffenSS:


Let's use you as a case study to answer your question:

You've a large family. You've got to feed them 3 times a day, pay school fees, utilities etc.

Let's say you earn 100k a month. but of this you can only save 1k every month after meeting your obligations.

But lately your employer is having some financial problems due to poor sales, and your salary is cut down to 30k.

Obviously this cannot even pay your transport to and from work.

Thus, you brainstorm on your fate, and hit the brilliant idea to farm the little piece of land in your compound and also open a small kiosk for your wife in order to supplement your income.

Now remember, you need farm implements, seeds, water hose etc. You also need to buy wood, aluminun, nails etc to construct the kiosk. Then you need to buy stock.

And all you've is 30k. And your family still needs to feed.

Therefore, the only option before you is to borrow enough to feed your brood, get your farm and shop going. Hopefully, both ventures would be successful enough that you won't need to bother much with your dwindling salary.

The above is a very crude and simple way of realizing that in order to develop other revenue streams to supplant oil, Nigeria must spend.

We don't have the cash to do much. Thus, we've to borrow.

Every one borrows, even the US. The problem was that all these years government was borrowing not ro invest in infrastructure, but to sponsor its gargantuan luxury hunger.

We borrow to consume. All those jets and yachts and cars and girls cost money.

Also, the amount PMB is borrowing is still many percentage points lower than the GDP. That's a healthy ratio.


From your analysis, you didn't consider TIME.. How long will it take Buhari to smoothen every hardship?

Venezuela borrowed about $1.5billion and was said to pay back in 2016 using OIL. But as the oil price is decreasing it's going to be very difficult for Venezuela to meet up with it's debts.

The (to be) loan cash is not going to be used to invest on other section of the country's economy....

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by sweetgala(m): 9:08am On Dec 23, 2015
greatiyk4u:


Some oil and gas experts including our state Minister for petroleum predicted a slight rise of oil prize next year,..........I don't think the idea of $38 is dat bad, since govt is already exploring other revenue generating options, let's keep our fingers crossed and watch out the outcome of the oil market coming year...........................prudence in execution of projects is one of the most important virtues lacking in our previous govt, of which we hope Buhari will be different.

It is 50-50 situation, if the prize improves we gain, if it reduces, we adjust....situations like this is where the excess crude fund is needed, unfortunately extravagance and corruption cost us that opportunity.......4 now nothing spoil yet

Thanks

OPEC is at war, Saudi Arabia is not playing ball , it can not bring Iran and Russia into the fold. We are increasing our harvest of natural gas which was usually otherwise wasted(flared). This would go into our reinvigorated power stations and new ones coming onboard.

When our refineries come onboard fully and new ones are built by private investors when can add more value to exported products, and reduce the cost of importation of PTMS and diesel.

The time of Buhari promises much, it's our duty to keep him and his team in their feet, keep at the necks of the NASS ensuring they do their duties. See how we can make use of the enterprise encouraging circumstances and do our nation and future generations proud

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by NavierStokes(m): 9:15am On Dec 23, 2015
This government has been following the footsteps of her "worthy" example. All the policies so far has been in tandem with Venezuela and I am afraid the results may not be too different.
http://media.bishopi.com/ec.aspx?l=16935354&e=1514270
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Jesusloveyou: 9:17am On Dec 23, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

The argument is not just about economic diversification, it is about how government plans to raise funds for 2016 while putting our future on the line. $38 oil benchmark, N6trillion budget, to borrow at least N2trillion (borrowing will be more than N2trillion though)
ur argument should be center on 820b naira oil revenue, whether we can raise that in 2016, or what if we raise 1.2tr naira from oil revenue in d period under review, or what if revenue from non-oil increase due to increase in growth rate and as a result of economy boost from social welfare, also considered corruption and waste of d past govt, also considered subsidy removal and functioning of our refinery, many factors wil be at play to realise d budget of change

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by DropShot: 9:23am On Dec 23, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Earlier today(Tuesday) President Muhammadu Buhari presented the 2016 budget before the joint session of the National Assembly. The budget he tagged "Budget of Change". While commending President Buhari for personally presenting the budget, it is important to ask the kind of change that the budget reflect.

What Is The Rationale Behind $38 Oil Benchmark?
In the budget, the government pegged oil benchmark at $38 per barrel. The problem here is that since the beginning of the second half of 2014, crude oil price has been on a free fall. In December 2014, it stood at $61 per barrel. As at today, the price of crude oil has dropped to $36 per barrel. Note that the price of crude as at june 2014 was $117 per barrel. With Iran poised to resume supply in 2016, Russia and USA entering the market, it means that the price of the product may go lower in 2016. What then is the rationale behind pegging the price of crude at $38 per barrel for 2016 budget? How will Nigeria meet up with its attendant deficit in revenue?
The rationale for $38 bench mark is in the expectation that oil price will pick up. As I type now, it is $36.48 up from $35 two days back. OPEC expects that crude price will pick before 2nd half of 2016 as a result of US finding it more expensive to produce from shale. Anyway, we wait to see how things unfold but $38 is not too bad for bench mark.

2. According to the 2016 Budget, Nigeria's projected revenue for 2016 is N3.86 trillion and deficit of N2.22 trillion with oil benchmark at $38 dollar per barrel. The government dedicated N1.8 trillion ie 30% set aside for capital expenditure, and projected to incur loan of N1.84 trillion.

The above means that the government plan to incur loan to finance capital project and use the leftover for recurrent expenditure. Which country in the world can survive on such arrangement? Considering that oil price is sinking deeper, it means even the projected revenue may not be met and government could be forced to take more loans to meet up the deficit. Where is the wisdom here?
Will you have preferred the old arrangement of borrowing to finance recurrent expenditure?

More Debt?
As at June 30, 2015 the former permanent secretary of the finance ministry put the debt owed by the FG alone at N8.396 trillion and $7.74 (N1.4trillion) for local and external debt respectively. With the government proposing to borrow another N1.84trillion to finance 2016 budget, this will mean more money to finance these huge debts. Considering that we will likely borrow more due to oil decline, I don't think there is any wisdom in this. Are we going back to pre-1999?
There is a lot of wisdom in borrowing to finance capital projects. There is no huge debt anywhere because there is already a provision of N1.36tn to service our debts in addition to N113bn for retiring maturing loan.
Read this and see if it does not make sense.

"The deficit, which is equivalent to 2.16% of Nigeria’s GDP, will take our overall debt profile to 14% of our GDP. This remains well within acceptable fiscal limits. Our deficit will be financed by a combination of domestic borrowing of N984 billion, and foreign borrowing of N900 billion totaling N1.84 trillion. Over the medium term, we expect to increase revenues and reduce overheads, to bring the fiscal deficit down to 1.3% of GDP by 2018."

Will Government Ever Learn?
When the last administration presented the 2015 budget, they pegged crude oil price at $65 per barrel. As at time of presenting the budget, the crude oil price stood at $61 per barrel. The effect was what we witnessed in 2015 where the government had to resort to borrowing because they couldn't meet revenue expectation. President Buhari is now following the same route. Pegging crude oil price at $38 per barrel when the price at present is lower. That means there will be increased borrowing should the crude oil price fail to rise at the benchmark.

I believe Nigeria should learn from Greece and not go down same lane. Already, we have serious problem of depleting customers for our major export(oil) and also we face challenge of competing with more entrants(USA, Russia and Iran) in the market. Government budget should reflect on the reality and not hinged on political correctness. Honestly, I see no positive change in this budget, all I see is burden on Nigerians.



May God Bless Nigeria
All budgets are largely based on assumptions. We have had budgets with lower oil bench mark which resulted in us earning excess from crude. Where is that excess earnings now?

With our debt projected to be 14% of our GDP, even if the crude price drops to around $25 per barrel (very unlikely), it won't take our debt burden to even 20% of our GDP.

The very good thing about this year budget is the fact that oil related revenue represents only 13.6% of it. It makes you wonder how much past governments have failed to block wastages emanating from looting/stealing and corruption.

The president is very well on the right track. He needs our support to deliver the good intention/budget.

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by WaffenSS(m): 9:37am On Dec 23, 2015
yanabasee:



From your analysis, you didn't consider TIME.. How long will it take Buhari to smoothen every hardship?

Why are we asking this question 7 months into a 4 year term? This government will officially take off once tha budget is passed, since that's effectively the time its programs can be implemented.

If GEJ couldn't fix the mess in 6 years with oil at over $100, I wonder why we place so much expectation on PMB barely 7 months in with oil at less than $40.


yanabasee:

Venezuela borrowed about $1.5billion and was said to pay back in 2016 using OIL. But as the oil price is decreasing it's going to be very difficult for Venezuela to meet up with it's debts.

Venezuela used its oil revenue as a bulwark. Nigeria is projecting non oil incomes as payment mechanism.



yanabasee:

The (to be) loan cash is not going to be used to invest on other section of the country's economy....

Really?

Out of about 2 trillion to be borrowed, 1.8 trillion is going to capital expenditures.

Last year with all the borrowings, only 557 billion went to capital.

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by modath(f): 9:44am On Dec 23, 2015
Jazzlite:
modath sorry I DON'T see Nigeria developing at any time soon not in this generation.... unless managed by foreigners in a caretaker govt.



It must work oooo, we nor get anoda place oo embarassed

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by lawydewy(m): 9:56am On Dec 23, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

The argument is not just about economic diversification, it is about how government plans to raise funds for 2016 while putting our future on the line. $38 oil benchmark, N6trillion budget, to borrow at least N2trillion (borrowing will be more than N2trillion though)

God love Nigeria!
Is not new/first time a country will borrow money or hold debt.
America is holding debt from Saudi Arabia
With hardworking, sincerely and honesty of our leaders, God will help.
I believe is with us despite our bad leadership styles, God is still with us.
God will see ur through...
thanks bro!

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by lawydewy(m): 10:04am On Dec 23, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

The argument is not just about economic diversification, it is about how government plans to raise funds for 2016 while putting our future on the line. $38 oil benchmark, N6trillion budget, to borrow at least N2trillion (borrowing will be more than N2trillion though)

God love Nigeria!
Is not new/first time a country will borrow money or hold debt.
America is holding debt from china,japan,uk,Saudi Arabia etc
With hardworking, sincerely and honesty of our leaders, God will help.
I believe is with us despite our bad leadership styles, God is still with us.
God will see ur through...
thanks bro!
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 10:15am On Dec 23, 2015
Bevista:
Tonye, whether you choose Austerity or you choose Stimulus, the end result will largely depend on the sincerity and commitment of managers of the economy.

I am telling you that it is standard fiscal policy every where in the world for deficit to increase during recessions. In fact, in developed countries, they increase deficit just to pay unemployment & social security benefits. I expect you to tell me an alternative policy/strategy that the government should be deploying.

Go to the US, UK, Europe, Japan, etc and see how much government deficits and Central Bank balance sheets increased in the wake of the GFC. Companies leverage (borrow) all the time to finance projects for future cash flow

The key is not in the borrowing, but in what government intends to do with it and their commitment to getting it done. The govt has made it clear that all borrowing will be deployed to developing infrastructure, which should promote economic growth and subsequently lead to increased Tax Revenue for government. But we'll have to wait and see how it is implemented.

We are not over-leveraged. The US has a debt to GDP ratio of around 100%, Japan has a ratio of around 200%, South Africa has a of around 38%. Nigeria will have a ratio of around 13%. The government has made it clear that they will have a Sinking Fund as forward planning towards eventual retirement of the debt.
My brother, our situation can be likened to a family that is to choose between enduring hardship while planning for better days ahead and borrowing more money to satisfy the present but endanger the future. Left for me, I'd have preferred austerity that may last between two to three years than a stimulus arrangement that may subject us into more burden in the future.
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Nobody: 10:39am On Dec 23, 2015
sweetgala:


Socialist budget ! You must not have read the part where the growth of enterprise through provision of busary for science and technology students is encouraged, one where tax incentives are given to investors in the areas of agriculture and solid minera
the agro and solid mineral sectors are in the north which is ravaged with insurgency and its a no go area for foreign investors.
How can you budget for a futuristic investment considering the insecurity in our country
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by fineguy11(m): 11:00am On Dec 23, 2015
arresa:



He was basically saying the government should either sit down and do nothing while we sink deeper into economic coma and or order austerity measures to render the populace hungry and helpless.

its so unfortunate for that barcanister of a man..he wasnt even man enough to type what u just pointed out coz he knws it's economic suicide,GREECE is a perfect example...

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by fineguy11(m): 11:05am On Dec 23, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:

My brother, our situation can be likened to a family that is to choose between enduring hardship while planning for better days ahead and borrowing more money to satisfy the present but endanger the future. Left for me, I'd have preferred austerity that may last between two to three years than a stimulus arrangement that may subject us into more burden in the future.
if u want to live a lifesyle of austerity,pack and go to greece,i hear they're dishing out free visas..will austerity tackle our unemployment problems,will it provide the much needed infrastructure to drive growth and employment?.

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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by arresa: 2:49pm On Dec 23, 2015
yanabasee:



From your analysis, you didn't consider TIME.. How long will it take Buhari to smoothen every hardship?

Venezuela borrowed about $1.5billion and was said to pay back in 2016 using OIL. But as the oil price is decreasing it's going to be very difficult for Venezuela to meet up with it's debts.

The (to be) loan cash is not going to be used to invest on other section of the country's economy....

Venezuela is not Nigeria, Nigeria is not Venezuela, our objectives for taking out loans are different and our strategies and capacities per paying back our loans are not the same.

Nigeria's loan strategies addressed diversification, economic stimulation, jobs, expanded tax base and most importantly, dedicated loan repayment savings provisions and strategies.

Lagos state comfortably make debt payments and still maintains the best local and international credit ratings in Nigeria because they not only have the capacity to service their debt obligations, they set money aside specifically designed to service debt obligations and this budget enshrines the same debt servicing provisions.


Again, Nigeria is not Venezuela and our economic situation and realities are not the same so no need for Apple and Orange comparisons.

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