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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by NavierStokes(m): 11:44am On Dec 24, 2015 |
49cents: Exporting what is obtainable at the states, to the center. Well we just have to pray this borrowing gamble pays. Have a good holiday bruv. Buona vacanze |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Nobody: 11:52am On Dec 24, 2015 |
49cents:Yes at least we have a realistic budget. Lets give kudo's to the minster of national planning and let buhari and his team focus on implementation of the budget. Except you want them to peg the price of oil at $15 per barrel. |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by PresVA: 11:55am On Dec 24, 2015 |
I wholly support everything the Op wrote! So many adjustments need to be made in that budget. .. |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by JakesJ(m): 11:57am On Dec 24, 2015 |
I Do Quote U Right Sir. APC Are Truly The Lying Bastards.... APCLyingBastard: 1 Like |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by 49cents(m): 11:58am On Dec 24, 2015 |
Reski: The bench mark for crude oil is not realistic based on emerging global realities: a $20 mark is more realistic, if it doesn't plummet we have the balance in an excess crude account Like someone said even if you must borrow it should be for welfarism which on your IGR you can't support for now It |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by teamchocolate: 12:04pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Pls always read to comprehend.. you always have to look at context.. at least that immediate is now in 2016 in their very first budget.. Ur clueless hero had done 2015 budget before buhari and osinbajo stepped in to save Nigeria from decay and visionlessness.. This is just 7 months bro.. u still av 3 years and 5 months to keep wailing anonimi: |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by banio: 12:04pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
God the truth is that Am indifferent about PMB. God I don't want my finance to struggle in 2016. God pls let oil price rise to at least $60 per barrel. AMEN 1 Like |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by oromidas231(m): 12:05pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
NavierStokes:I think the APC's economic team just put the benchmark as $38/brl per say....I believe the economy would be hugely diversified in 2016 and a huge chunk of funds to service the budget would come from non- oil sources for the first time in a long while in our nations history. I believe the statement PMB made that "its time for us to farm our lands and explore our solid minerals" was no fluke....let's just be patient as Nigerians and stop judging d APC government like its PDP-run affair! NavierStokes:I think the APC's economic team just put the benchmark as $38/brl per say....I believe the economy would be hugely diversified in 2016 and a huge chunk of funds to service the budget would come from non- oil sources for the first time in a long while in our nations history. I believe the statement PMB made that "its time for us to farm our lands and explore our solid minerals" was no fluke....let's just be patient as Nigerians and stop judging d APC government like its PDP-run affair! 1 Like |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by buchichukwu69: 12:12pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
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Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by texazzpete(m): 12:25pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
49cents: Still better than the PDP style. Spend more than $20bn and we still cannot generate up to 5000MW, despite being promised 10000MW since 2009! They also use part of the money to sponsor empty headed sycophants like yourself to sell their odious agenda. 1 Like |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by NavierStokes(m): 12:28pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
oromidas231: We don't have a choice, but sit and watch hoping the gamble pays off. I really do hope the economic team would be able to enter action with boldness. |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Nobody: 12:32pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
49cents:Although am also against welferism at this stage. When our infrastructures need massive rejuvenation and an economy in dire need of diversification. But all thesame lets give the budget a chance. it's a change from the past where reccurrent expenditure's gulp 70% of the entire budget. |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by kasay: 12:38pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
I hardly comment on economic analysis on Nairaland because I find a lot of pedestrian and ignorant perspective here. However, let me respond to the narrow and perverted views of my good friend and self -anointed nairaland columnist. Barcanista writeup is centred on oil price benchmark for the budget and borrowing to finance capital expenditure components of the same budget. Barcanista is wrongly worried about oil prices fluctuation and borrowing without undertaking serious scientific and strategic analysis of the budget. He sounds and write like a cartoon version of Olisa Metuh who craft senseless press releases before engaging in sensible thinking. Now, it's common knowledge that global forecast indicated that oil prices will shore up and stabilised in 2016. This is further strengthen by strategic actions of OPEC and supply management. However, even if this doesn't happen and prices further plummet by 60%, they exist several other non-budgetry and development financing options to address anticipated deficit. On borrowing, there is nothing wrong with borrowing to finance investment with high return and regenerative value. American and other developed economies still borrow to fund their needs inspite of their huge reserves and strong economy. The common sense theory of operating with OPM in business applies to government too. Strategic borrowing to finance critical infrastructure like power, transport, works, railways etc and vital social services like education and healthcare will positively impact on inclusive growth and economic development. It will enable shared prosperity while creating jobs and eradicating poverty. This will translate to better living conditions for citizens and increase productivity which will lead to higher government internal revenues and debt repayment capacity. Tonye Bastardnista, if you borrow 100m to invest in your business and properly utilised that loan for growing your business, it will translate to expansion of your business, value creation, providing more jobs and contributing higher taxes as well better life for you and your family. Even at 5tr borrowing, our debt to GDP ratio is still not up to 20% which is the global benchmark for performing loans and country credit worthiness. If previous corrupt PDP government could borrow during surplus to pay salaries, why won't a corrupt -free and well-intention APC government borrow to invest in regenerative and development oriented projects with high IRR? Borrowing is a key element of public financing strategy for all governments across all locations and era. Tonyebacanista, you may wish to consult with public sector economic experts to tutor you on the mechanics of budgeting and long term strategic outcomes of a well-thought-out budget like the budget of change, if not, your misrepresentation of the budget of change will increase the burden of Wailing imposed on you by YOU. Nice day brother. 5 Likes |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Nobody: 12:44pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Demdem2:....you and Jonathan. ..hehehehe...guy jona was just like every other leader nigeria had...you should stop this blame game and we think of a way forward..The buhari we have now once ruled nigeria and nigeria didn't turn into dubai then...if we put our trust in our old leaders we would soon head for a rock...We must as youths and citizens influence their decisions for the benefit of all... This government should not end up borrowing until we end up like Greece. .. I just hope they have considered all the odds.. I hope you you would be ready to vote out the apc if they end up a scam...because with Nigeria all scams are possible... 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by apotek: 1:10pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
sainty2k3: Bros, you get time o. No matter what, these niggers will always complain. Mo mind them. |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by nosypat(m): 1:13pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Ah well, borrowing to service a campaign charity promise is not wise at all. Scrap that wan. 5k will not add the requisite value in any Nigerian's life, not if the overall effect of such a transaction is to further plunge the country in foreign debt and the consequent economic backlash. Agreed, this administration has had to manage with the bequeathed shortcomings of a PDP sixteen years in office, also admitted is that this government in no way can be expected to have as much money as the previous given certain economical matrix beyond their control. This admissions, nonetheless, we'd like to see a 'promise' in our economic future, one that firmly indicates that after this drought we can expect a better economy. Sacrifices will be made in fact, must be made, from the sitting room of ordinary people to the palaces of the wealthy and the opulent offices of government officials. Anyone under the illusion that things can simply shift from bad to good needs a bucket of water poured over them. We need to get on the train of diversification. Learn from countries that are surviving without oil and dig deeper into the opportunities in agriculture and technology as alternate sources of national wealth. It shall be well, Naija |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by IbokUtoroh(m): 1:20pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Johnnyessence: is it only fed govt dat suppose to diversify the economy? are states not also suppose to diversify their own economy n desist from free oyel money all the time? do u even know what diversification means or u r programmed to speak what d propa gandry machinery has been misinforming the gullible nigerians? the auto policy what does it mean? |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by ayindejimmy(m): 1:33pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista:Nigerians has been sufferin years ago, and we're still smiling |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by anonimi: 1:37pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
teamchocolate: Do you know why your megida went for N413 billion supplementary BUDGET in order to keep paying the fuel subsidy CABAL that he said he is unaware of https://www.nairaland.com/2742433/buhari-seeks-approval-pay-n413b |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by SirDorianGray(m): 1:46pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
yanabasee: According to Moody's (And this is a Worldwide leading Financial Agency) crude oil will be between $33 - $46/barrel. To argue on this issue you need to understand the dynamics of the oil industry, which is one of the most capital intensive industries,where digging a well costs tens of millions of dollars and an offshore rig costs a million dollars a day. Such wild price swings from 147 dollars per barrel in 2007 to 36 dollars per barrel today completely obliterate any CAPEX spending strategies and no sane investors will touch the industry other than govts supporting their National Oil Companies which is bad news as the industry needs hundreds of billions in dollars a year just to MAiNTAIN existing production. Price of oil is low now and hedgers are hedging at lower prices but there will come a point where demand will rise above the level of supply and then Hedgers will start making huge profits cos the price will go up. Don't be surprised if in 2017 prices go back to $70+ |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by HEIR: 1:48pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Nice response. But my real fear here is for our future. Someone comes up with a concerns, instead of carefully analysing the issue we just toe the party line. That been said the op gave examples of greek and osun economics. Where did you honestly think they got it wrong? For me those bogus and unrealistic campaign promises on wefare(5k for youth et al) which are very good should be shelved for now, at least most nigerians know we can't fund those now. IN SUMMARY OUR LETS SEE HOW WE CAN REDUCE BORROWING, DELAY THE BOGUS PROMISES FOR NOW AND USE THOSE FUNDS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, SO WE CAN GENERATE MORE IGR AS YOU STATE. EACH YOUTH IN NIGERIA TODAY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CAUSE CHANGE BY PROPER ANALYSIS OF EACH GOVERNMENT POLICY. WE MUST CONTINUE TO VOICE OUR CENCERNS ELSE THESE RECYCLED LEADERS CONTINUE TO MORGAGE OUR FUTURE. GOD BLESS NIGERIA AND HAPPY CHRISTMAS kasay: |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by SirDorianGray(m): 1:51pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista: The reserves will be used to meet the shortfalls in the price of crude oil. I don't see any problem there unless your knowledge of budgeting is limited. That's what the reserves are there for (for the rainy days). When the price of oil begins to go up part of the budget surplus will be deposited in the reserves. Shikena. |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Demdem2: 2:14pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
IzonOwei: |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by teamchocolate: 2:36pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Yes he had to do that supplementary budget. it was a stop gap to stop the hardship that ur clueless hero left behind in terms of fuel scarcity and poor electricity supply... anonimi: |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by olakan22: 2:50pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
sainty2k3:yeah I'm going to be affected by salary cut... But do I have to always make sacrifices for Nigeria in lieu of those who have a responsibility to do that? Majority of the capital expenditure is usually squandered. Do u bother to ask where billions of our capital expenditure have gone? Yet no substantial infrastructural development so what makes you think capital expenditure for next year is not going to go down the drain. |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by olakan22: 2:50pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
sainty2k3:yeah I'm going to be affected by salary cut... But do I have to always make sacrifices for Nigeria in lieu of those who have a responsibility to do that? Majority of the capital expenditure is usually squandered. Do u bother to ask where billions of our capital expenditure have gone? Yet no substantial infrastructural development so what makes you think capital expenditure for next year is not going to go down the drain? Pls don't tell me 'change' |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by arresa: 3:13pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
urshawmoore: Sadly for the OP and kind kind, they care less about Nigeria. In their doom and gloom world, what's good for Nigeria is bad news and what's bad for Nigeria is good news. Where is the sense and wisdom in criticizing everything under the sun, but never offer any sane and rational solution? 3 Likes |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by arresa: 3:18pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
SirDorianGray:
^^^^^. That was just yesterday. Oil is bouncing back already |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Eruditor: 6:34pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
TonyeBarcanista: 1. Angola pegged theirs at 41$ whilst Mozambique did theirs at 45$ benchmark. They know something you don't. 2. Nigerian crude is not sold at the price of brent. Nigerian crude is always at a premium. So always factor in 4 or 5$ to the price of brent when dealing with Nigerian crude. In other words, even if brent was 38$/bbl, we would be selling ours at 42/43$/bbl. So a 38$/bbl benchmark is not amiss. |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Edd1e(m): 6:59pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
Setting crude oil at $38/barrel benchmark doesn't account for anything, as the price of oil is being controlled by not Nigeria only but controlled by various economy differences. We Will continue on our wild goose chase in this country until things are being set right. we all know crude oil is not enough to generate us more revenue as there is $2.2m deficit compared to that of last yr, but the funny part is that nobody is talking about a viable solution especially on the part of the government..... |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by Bevista: 10:07pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
WaffenSS:Brilliant! Couldn't have said it any better. You'd make an excellent lecturer - you can teach monkeys economics and they'd understand. 1 Like |
Re: 2016 Budget: A Budget Of Change Or A Budget Of Burden? by wirinet(m): 10:55pm On Dec 24, 2015 |
coolitempa: God bless you a thousand fold. Nigeria is the only country i know where a stark illiterate in a specialist field criticizes expert opinions and actions. It is only in Nigeria you will find someone who had never kicked a ball in his life criticize the tactics of an accomplished coach. This article shows that Mr tonye barcanista knows nothing about economics. Although i also regard myself as an economic illiterate but i thank god i took ECN101 and ECN102 at the university, so i am very conversant with the kaynesian theory of economics. The main thrust of the theory is spending your way out of recession.To stimulate the economy, you would need to spend, and when you have low income, you borrow. That was how post second world war Europe was able to over come economic ruins and depression in the 50's, through massive borrowing through the Marshall plan, that was how the US was able to overcome the great depression of the 30's Now read the above to get some education on the above on Kaynesian economics; At the core of Keynesian economics is the idea that fiscal policy (government taxing and spending) should be used as a tool to control an economy. I believe the government is not even borrowing enough, a N6 trillion budget (barely 30 billion dollars) would not stimulate the economy. The problem of Nigeria is not debt per se, it it lack of economic stimulation via production and almighty corruption. If borrowed money is put into productive ventures paying back the debts would not be a problem. |
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