Nentayahu went to school in US, in fact graduated from MIT and speaks flawless American english. In his first regime as Isreal Prime Minister, failing to find convergence with Clinton, he touted this cultural association to win over symapthy of the media and of the Republican congress back then led by Newt Gingrich as Speaker of House. Every opportunity he had with the press, he paraded himself as an extension of American government in Midlle East.

When he left government he was unpopular and the many failures seemed to have eroded all his hopes of ever running again for the post. After Clinton handed over to Bush, Netanyahu had an opportunity to run for power again but he stayed away, not sure of himself. Then 9/11 happened and Bush went "postal". That brash offensive and bravado from Washington encouraged Nentanyahu. Couple that with Blair's jetset influence around the globe. In Bush and Blair, he found partners with whom he could forge policies and strategies and bond for unilateral destruction and control of powerful ME States. Moreso, it would have been a prime time for Isreal to stage itself as a global force to contend with, given that its excesses then would have been conducted under legitimacy fraudulently won by Washington and London in that famous UN speech given by Powell. He is the kind of guy that is best at political lobbying but never in political administration, definitely not as a diplomat. Netanyahu made a comeback after 9/11. In one of his re-introduction into a run for office he was labelled in press as "the third B". It was a subtle message. . . a suggestive notion, a whisper. . .inferring you to find the other two Bs and complete the puzzle and reach the conclusion on your own. The reference is to the first initial of his first name Binyamin. In this case, first B and second B are Bush and Blair respectively and Binyamin would now form their completion as they join hands to fight terror. Sound comical, kinda like something you would read in your comic strip book - three heroes all wearing the cloaks with letter B engraved in the back and they are on a rescue mission to save the world before the villain had time to destroy mankind. Thank God that third B never debut. . .the two Bs were too much for the world to handle as it was.

Well Bush is out and Obama is in. BiBi was already positioning himself for upper hand in the America-Israel relationship after Obama won Presidency and much earlier before the Prime Ministership was given to him in Tel Aviv. He was recorded saying that he is not going to be a push over and Obama would need to listen to his idea of ME policy. You see BiBi sees himself as white person and he is enamored with the American style of class rulership. He has a sense of entitlement that only a white President can tell him what to do, a black President has no place telling him or Israel what to do. Well, in Israel blacks are regarded second class citizens. . . this is a fact! The problem between Bibi and Obama (another B - Barack!) is that BiBi has no clue what leadership direction and message he should stress for his sovereign nation. Obama on the other hand has a solid agenda for resolving problems and the strategies are popular, although the policy has not changed and the scorecard is still blank. It's either Bibi will humble himself before a black man and accept the obvious or he will go it alone blindly into the desert and be at the mercy of the Arabs who will again embarass him and bring failures to his government. They are talking about pressures between Washington and Tel Aviv.

Well, Obama is not pressured and he obviously seem relaxed and composed than the news reports seem to suggest. BiBi may be pressured, but this black guy definitely is not. Look at the picture attached. Israeli news reporters are already whining that Obama insulted their country and leadership in this photo. They say he propped his feet up with bottom of the soles in view while he was in conversation with Netanyahu. . . to them thats offensive. So what should Obama do? I guess from now on when he speaks to Netanyahu he should sit upright and with soles on carpet so he does not offend the Jews.

Read the whole post and comment. What says you?

Part of the message in Cairo was to break BiBi. BiBi is a hardliner, he does not understand the word peace. Obama is trying to use the world against him.

He has pleaded to the Arabs for peace, Hamaz has toned down, we are back to 1993, lets see what the Jew Hardliners would use as an eexcuse. They are already pointing at Iran. Lets hope Alhamadinajad looses the election. What will those Jewish hardliners hide behind. Lets see if they would say Somalia should be sorted out first before they move towards peace.

If Almadinajad looses that election and Saudi Arabia says its ready to make peace. I think Obama should do exactly what Bush senior did to get them on the Negotiating table, Freeze all guaranteed loan America passes to them, straight up. It has nothing to do with White or Black.

Those Jewish hardliners has killed everything that would have made our world a better place. Like Robert Nesta Marley said, "how many prophets would they kill while we sit behind and look".

Yithak Rabin, Jesus, Keitzner How many would we count.

I hope Davidylan comes in. 

I love the guy though with his half truth. I think he is Jewish, he would rather point to 1964 or Mo. 

Europe and Israel moving hard right while America, the continent, and the world is moving left towards reconciliation. Quite frankly I don't give a shit about the middle east anymore. It is an an overly indulgent region that the world has invested too much time and resource in. Israel may boast about bombing Iran but they will never do it. Iran may develop nukes but if it uses it it knows that Israel will wipe it off the face of the map. The Palestinians are nothing but stooges in the powerplay between Arabs and Jews, even with a two state solution their future looks bleak. Quite frankly I don't care anymore about the indulgent conflicts of the middle east. They all come off as a bunch of teenagers with their petty battles and grievances. And the motherfucking religious idiots stoking the flames of hate from both isles is quite frankly sickening.

Bibi is an extremist. Obama must make it clear to him that a two-state solution is the goal of the US.

Part of the message in Cairo was to break BiBi. BiBi is a hardliner, he does not understand the word peace. Obama is trying to use the world against him.

He has pleaded to the Arabs for peace, Hamaz has toned down, we are back to 1993, lets see what the Jew Hardliners would use as an eexcuse. They are already pointing at Iran. Lets hope Alhamadinajad looses the election. What will those Jewish hardliners hide behind. Lets see if they would say Somalia should be sorted out first before they move towards peace.

If Almadinajad looses that election and Saudi Arabia says its ready to make peace. I think Obama should do exactly what Bush senior did to get them on the Negotiating table, Freeze all guaranteed loan America passes to them, straight up. It has nothing to do with White or Black.

Ikomi, you are correct. I understand that Obama's envoy in ME, Mitchell has already hinted to Netanyahu to step aside and not interfere with what the admin is doing to expand changes in turbulent areas of the world.

Europe and Israel moving hard right while America, the continent, and the world is moving left towards reconciliation. Quite frankly I don't give a shit about the middle east anymore. It is an an overly indulgent region that the world has invested too much time and resource in. Israel may boast about bombing Iran but they will never do it. Iran may develop nukes but if it uses it it knows that Israel will wipe it off the face of the map. The Palestinians are nothing but stooges in the powerplay between Arabs and Jews, even with a two state solution their future looks bleak. Quite frankly I don't care anymore about the indulgent conflicts of the middle east. They all come off as a bunch of teenagers with their petty battles and grievances. And the motherfucking religious idiots stoking the flames of hate from both isles is quite frankly sickening.

Tunku, I love this response. . . I agree totally with your analysis. I have said a time or two myself that the Arab/Isreali peace negotiations is nothing but a venture. In that venture you have thousands of people on three continents profiting from the tragedy of Palestinians. In this venture you have diplomatic posts and offices designated and staffed with thousands of specialists engaged in negotiations and counter-negotiations, you have arms dealers who supply both sides, Isreal and Palestine and Arab States, then you have lobbyists who use the Isreali cause as a surrogate for other nefarious motives, you have the evangelicals who in the interest of spreading their mission deep into Arab and Islamic countries have hijacked holocaust and semitism as a sacred cow and last but not least is the media. . . without the ME storm lasting this long a bunch of them would have gone bankrupt years ago. The mess started genuinely as a peace and conflict resolution idea but it has morphed greatly within the last 2 decades and has been generously commercialized. For as long people are enriching themselves and boosting their careers on it. . .there will be no peace.

I concur with your conclusion. . . Iran will never pre-empt Isreal or attack it. It's a game. . .when you have no clue what the opponent has in their arsenal, then you dont mess with them. Having a deadly weapon ups the ante and raises political significance. . . Ahmadinejjad is a great conspirator and he outsmarted the rest of the world by simply using mere words and ideology in specific phrases to preserve his country. That is smart. . .very smart!

Obama must make it clear to him that a two-state solution is the goal of the US.

Richy, Bibi is a two time Prime Minister of a state locked in 40yr war with the Arabs. Does he need to be told that a two state solution is a desirable and practical solution? Assuming he is that dumb, which he is not. . . how many Presidents does it take to repeat the same message and for as long as Obama has emphasized his ME agenda (not Policy. . . the policy remains the same as with past Presidents) repeatedly through speeches after speeches. . . I wonder if Netanyahu is not going to repeat the mistakes of his first term at the job and this time he could end his tenure in disgrace. . .something akin to the way Bush ended.


Here is the story caption, . . read the comments at the end of the news story, quite refreshing!

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/09/world/worldwatch/entry5076128.shtml

Negro_Ntns:

Richy, Bibi is a two time Prime Minister of a state locked in 40yr war with the Arabs. Does he need to be told that a two state solution is a desirable and practical solution? Assuming he is that dumb, which he is not. . . how many Presidents does it take to repeat the same message and for as long as Obama has emphasized his ME agenda (not Policy. . . the policy remains the same as with past Presidents) repeatedly through speeches after speeches. . . I wonder if Netanyahu is not going to repeat the mistakes of his first term at the job and this time he could end his tenure in disgrace. . .something akin to the way Bush ended.

these people are awfully stupid . . . so the failure of the 2-state approach is all Bibi's fault? Not the fault of a certain Arafat who REJECTED the deal offered by Clinton and Rabin?

Bibi wants a 2-state solution but much more than the blind morons who parade these boards, he knows that is not what the palestinians want, its Israel's head on a platter and nothing else.

davidylan:

these people are awfully stupid . . . so the failure of the 2-state approach is all Bibi's fault? Not the fault of a certain Arafat who REJECTED the deal offered by Clinton and Rabin?

Bibi wants a 2-state solution but much more than the blind morons who parade these boards, he knows that is not what the palestinians want, its Israel's head on a platter and nothing else.

You'r wellcome. 

This is exactly the words with which wise people start any conversation. 

You'r wellcome dude.  This guy makes me laugh. 

So what are you doing on these boards with all the rest of us blind morons? Last I checked this forums isn't specifically oriented towards anything pro or anti-israeli. I find it incredulous that we are even discussing this stupid conflict in a forum for Nigerians and specifically geared towards Nigeria. Sounds like you'd be more comfortable in an Aipac forum than in here Davidlyan. Unfortunately or fortunately for us you can't snipe us unarmed posters like the so many that were cut down during the holiday invasion of Gaza. Here is a question that I would like to post to you and your Hamas and Hizbollah brothers. Where has wailing on each other for over 70 years got you? Don't worry in another 40 or more years no one will give a hoot whether Israel wants to destroy its neighbor or they the same. Once the world learns to ween itself off of oil who needs a Spartan state in the Middle East to protect its interest. Hell what is the use of Israel as a bulwark against them "muslin terrist" when American soldiers and troops have had to invade that region twice within 12 years. Gee, maybe blind support for Israel isn't exactly in our best interest, Maybe saying to the children in these country that hey peace is better than nurturing an hatred in your heart that turns you into an extremist whether serving the IDF, Hamas, Hizbollah or whatever is the way to go.

Obama should ignore this issue and tackle other problems

Just as it is wrong to bully Palestine to accept any peace deal, it is also wrong to bully Isreal to accept any peace deal

This people are not ready for peace

I just watched Bibi's speech, he has some genuine concern. But certain things he said wont also work.
The idea of a de-militarised Palestinian state don't make sense, however the experience Isreal had after pulling out of Gaza give's the argument some sense.

So I think other Presidents who ignore this issue to their last days in office may not be as stupid as Obama thinks they are.
The Isrealis and Palestinians are not ready for peace.

Obama, if necessary, should bully those right-winged nutcases in Israel. Only talking to extremists in Israel will not work - George W. Bush has played that record for us to hear.

Obama needs to talk to both sides and make it clear to them that a two-state solution is the endgame. It is easy to see that extremists in Israel do not want a two-state solution, and it is also true that extremists among the Palestinian people want to see Israel cease to exist. However, Israel is the more powerful entity and must be willing (of forced) to make concessions to make this work.

why bully Isreal to make concessions when there has been no concessions or genuine quest for peace by the Palestinians

I don't think forcing peace on Israel is a lasting solution either

So what happens while Iran amass weapons

Nothing, a nuclear weapon is a weapon of deterrent, not of hegemony. Pakistanis and Indians hate each other to the hilt, both are nuclear powered and yet neither has bombed each other to hell. A nuclear weapon is not really a big deal, it is a sobering weapon if you use it you die, simple as.