keep deceiving yourself

Hmmmmm

Lies

macof:


The analysis are clear... take a look at other towns that are 500 years or more they have a list of around 40 kings.
Oloza is "oloja" in standard Yoruba dialect and this title is for leaders of small towns and villages so the idea of "small settlements before the king list" is out of it. . Oloza Adetola could not have reigned as early as 1500AD. That's not even a typical 1500AD Yoruba name

Of course when you have better reasons to believe otherwise please post them

In Benin orsl tradition, the Ugbodun people are Olukunmis( now called yorubas ) who were residing in Benin with the Idus(Edo people) but fled to the east for fear of being used for sacrifice by the reigning Ogiso who was somehow eccentric.

lawani:


Arochukwu's socio political organisation was like that of the Yoruba, not similar to Nri who lived in villages. The Eze Aro is like a Yoruba monarch, not like an Nri priest. I am not saying people from Ife Osun state made those bronze works but I believe the people who made those works are people affiliated with an ancient Ife. This year June 3 will be the beginning of 10060th year of the Ife calendar. When that era started and up to 5 thousand years after, there were no Yorubas or Igbos but Ife people.

Ife was the political as well as the spiritual capital, other Yoruba states are Ife successors, that is never denied. Many have eclipsed Ife and that is normal but all still acknowledge Ife as origin. It is a bit different from the Eze Nri status. Ife is a state of its own with towns and villages and extracts no tribute from any of the successor states who are fully independent and separately run. The Ooni rules Ife and not any other Yoruba land. The Eze Nri does not rule anywhere. There is a kind of similarity though but yet they are different. One is a monarch and the other is not.

In your deluded mind, anything that reflect intelligence is likely from Ife and not Igbo. I wonder why the ifes of the yorubas no longer exhibit intelligence in engineering,computer , science etc fileds . Only the Ibos now exhibit intelligence in the aforementioned fields. During the civil war, they produced virtually everything they needed ranging from guns to even bombs . In Awka, men do manufacture and sell various kind of sophisticated materials including weapon while the yorubas can produce nothing other than some smelling Agbo and Odudu Osun soaps. Did the genius in Ife not pass their intelligent DNA to their offspring? Oh, they forgot to pass it their offspring but mistakenly passed it to Igbos, no wonder only the Igbos are now the master craftsmen in Africa. Learn to think twice before you argue. If the Igbos of today are sounder than Yoruba of today in crafts and engineering, it means Igbos of old were also better than the Ifes of old in all ramifications except in JuJu making and human sacrifices.

bigfrancis21:


Are you high on something or what?

it's obvious he is

perryy:


In your deluded mind, anything that reflect intelligence is likely from Ife and not Igbo. I wonder why the ifes of the yorubas no longer exhibit intelligence in engineering,computer , science etc fileds . Only the Ibos now exhibit intelligence in the aforementioned fields. During the civil war, they produced virtually everything they needed ranging from guns to even bombs . In Awka, men do manufacture and sell various kind of sophisticated materials including weapon while the yorubas can produce nothing other than some smelling Agbo and Odudu Osun soaps. Did the genius in Ife not pass their intelligent DNA to their offspring? Oh, they forgot to pass it their offspring but mistakenly passed it to Igbos, no wonder only the Igbos are now the master craftsmen in Africa. Learn to think twice before you argue. If the Igbos of today are sounder than Yoruba of today in crafts and engineering, it means Igbos of old were also better than the Ifes of old in all ramifications except in JuJu making and human sacrifices.

Yibbos naked people

perryy:


In your deluded mind, anything that reflect intelligence is likely from Ife and not Igbo. I wonder why the ifes of the yorubas no longer exhibit intelligence in engineering,computer , science etc fileds . Only the Ibos now exhibit intelligence in the aforementioned fields. During the civil war, they produced virtually everything they needed ranging from guns to even bombs . In Awka, men do manufacture and sell various kind of sophisticated materials including weapon while the yorubas can produce nothing other than some smelling Agbo and Odudu Osun soaps. Did the genius in Ife not pass their intelligent DNA to their offspring? Oh, they forgot to pass it their offspring but mistakenly passed it to Igbos, no wonder only the Igbos are now the master craftsmen in Africa. Learn to think twice before you argue. If the Igbos of today are sounder than Yoruba of today in crafts and engineering, it means Igbos of old were also better than the Ifes of old in all ramifications except in JuJu making and human sacrifices.

You nailed it. Our people used to say, "ife adighi ako ebe o na adi". Literally translated to "Things are never scarce where it is usually located".

A look at the offspring of the two groups is a pointer to whose ancestors were better craftsmen. If you follow these guys mouth you go lost.

gwafaeziokwu:



You nailed it. Our people used to say, "ife adighi ako ebe o na adi". Literally translated to "Things are never scarce where it is usually located".

A look at the offspring of the two groups is a pointer to whose ancestors were better craftsmen. If you follow these guys mouth you go lost.

Do you think they are worth calling humans.??.. Those are your grandfathers and Ape grandmothers ""cannibals.."'. You people are hominid caged in evolutionary tree ,that is why you people have bestial nature act without brain. hairy as hell like orangutan and bonobos monkey...well known cannibal and naked people no clothing culture...Yoruba history, give account of Ibo history and genealogy, Ibos are breed of Ape and human..That is why most Yoruba are scared of travelling to Ibo land due to fear of being eaten by the Ibos

lawani:
Ugbodumila means the forest or this land saved me and I prospered in Yoruba. The people are people of Yorubid origin in Delta just like the Itsekiri and the Ebu. Personally I believe all Anioma people were originally Olukunmi on all their lands before they were gradually assimilated by Igbos. It must be noted that Olukunmi was the lingua franca of the Benin empire and if your ancestor was a chief or traditional ruler in Asaba, Ussele Ukwu, Agbor, Obiafu, Obrikom, Benin, Onitsha, Ikwerre and other realms of the defunct Benin empire, then your ancestor's language was Olukunmi and you adopted Igbo fairly recently because of trade and the influx of new people. Going much further back, Igbo ancestors and Yoruba ancestors were thesame. The Igbo seem to have a higher incidence of light skin than the Yoruba which is an indication of a recent mixture with new people, going by the proportion of fair skinned Igbos, it appears that the new people could have been up to two fifths of their population when they mixed. Implication is that a proportion of 3 proto Igbo mixed with 2 new people that came from somewhere else to give birth to the new population. For a foreign component to be that high, it shows that what is now Igbo started off as a very small offshoot of proto Yoruba, probably outlaws or rebels who crossed the river to live in the bush, where they mixed with new people of population similar to theirs and then multiplied rapidly at a time when pestilence ravaged Yoruba cities. Hence their big population. It appears obvious that Anambra was occupied by proto Yoruba/Igala and not urban shy Igbos who lived in villages. The Igbo Ukwu bronze works are testimony to this fact. Those works were made by highly organised civilizations of Ife people not Nri Igbos who lived in villages and had no complex political organisation that could have led to such art works.

So the Ugbodu people I believe are a testimony to what all of Anioma was in the past, they have history going back 800 years while Benin emerged as a power in the 15th century, only 500 years ago, so they did not get there via Benin just like Itsekiri was not established by Benin originally. They are settlements that predated the rise of Benin.

When the first Oloja of Ugbodu was ruling, Benin was a minor Kingdom under Ife and the ruler would have been referred to as Olu Ibini.

Please discard this daft revisionist theory, we don't even share much with the Edos apart from Oranmiyan who was just a ruler over there for a very short time, so where is the connection with isekiri or even Igbo for that matter. Please dead this nonsense.

lawani:

I have read a lot of published materials about those Igbo Ukwu bronze. The materials also came from Eastern mines as well but the fact remains that the Nri was a loose confederation of independent villages of maybe around 3 thousand population each, when the population rises, they divide and some form a new village, they were urban shy people. The villagers farmed and did other things but no chance of developing a caste of highly skilled bronze artists that could have made such works.

The people who made the bronze works were Igbo ancestors who lived in cities but they were not Nri who lived in villages. Igbos will never accept they and the Yoruba share common ancestors despite all the evidence.

This is shit and piss history, we never even met the apes across the Niger until the white man came over

gwafaeziokwu:



You nailed it. Our people used to say, "ife adighi ako ebe o na adi". Literally translated to "Things are never scarce where it is usually located".

A look at the offspring of the two groups is a pointer to whose ancestors were better craftsmen. If you follow these guys mouth you go lost.

Lol better craftmen making substandard and fake products. You're fvckin delusional

every tribe has their own intellectuals, but intellect is channeled into an area of interest .
Igbo people had great interest for mechanics, technologies and sports, business and so their intellect were channeled into these concepts.
Yoruba people had great interest for Western education, literature, music,religion art,and in these areas of interest they are good and best.
you see,intelligence is just the ability to understand things and to make good of knowledge through innovation and creativity.
It is foolish to say a tribe has more intelligent people than another.
Chinua Achebe is an intellectual
Wole Soyinka is an intellectual
but they are not from the same tribe
but they are intelligent
stop all these meaningless argument

every tribe has their own intellectuals, but intellect is channeled into an area of interest .
Igbo people had great interest for mechanics, technologies and sports, business and so their intellect were channeled into these concepts.
Yoruba people had great interest for Western education, literature, music,religion art,and in these areas of interest they are good and best.
you see,intelligence is just the ability to understand things and to make good of knowledge through innovation and creativity.
It is foolish to say a tribe has more intelligent people than another.
Chinua Achebe is an intellectual
Wole Soyinka is an intellectual
but they are not from the same tribe
but they are intelligent
stop all these meaningless argument!

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Ideadoctor:
every tribe has their own intellectuals, but intellect is channeled into an area of interest .
Igbo people had great interest for mechanics, technologies and sports, business and so their intellect were channeled into these concepts.
Yoruba people had great interest for Western education, literature, music,religion art,and in these areas of interest they are good and best.
you see,intelligence is just the ability to understand things and to make good of knowledge through innovation and creativity.
It is foolish to say a tribe has more intelligent people than another.
Chinua Achebe is an intellectual
Wole Soyinka is an intellectual
but they are not from the same tribe
but they are intelligent
stop all these meaningless argument!

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Shit thread.

bigfrancis21:


There have been several 'theories' about the origin of Ugbodu, some saying from 'igbo odun', and others saying from 'ugbodunmila'. To the best of my knowledge, these are just guesses at best. The fact remains that these Olukumi towns in Delta North have settled in the Igbo area for so many decades and their town names are purely Igbo names, albeit ancient Igbo names. Ugbodu does not sound Yoruba in any way. Ugbodu has several meanings in Igbo.

Ugbodu is not too far from the river Odu. Ugbo means farm in both Esan and Aniocha

scholes0:
Ugbodu Community - Yoruba settlements in Aniocha North LGA.



Culled from the Ugbodu Development Union (U.D.U)
http://uduuk.com/Town.html

On a courtesy visit to the area, the following was gathered from King Ayo and Prince Adebowale Ochei of the Royal house:



Traditionally, the area was divided into a number of societies, Some of which include The following:



According to Ugbodu.net the community's online website, there have been two dynasties of Obas and Olozas (Probably culled from the Yoruba and Benin terms: Olaja, Olareja, Onoja, Onogie Etc) who have ruled the communities at different points in history.




Miss Ugbodu 2015 (middle) flanked by 1st and 2nd runners up.



Kings and Dynasties of Ugbodu
The Yoruba Dynasty Of Kings - 240 Years


http://ugbodu.net//content/yoruba-leadership-tenure-office

The Edo Dynasty Of Kings of Ugbodu
Eleven Olozas
http://ugbodu.net//content/benin-leadership-tenure-office

Bump.
Impressive.