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|Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by true2god: 5:44am On Jan 05, 2016|
Bible prophets are men of great predictions and prophecies, only because their prophecies are inspired by a divine power. I have no time listing biblical prophecies that had been fulfilled.
However, among all the known prophet is also the islamic prophet reverenced and respected by muslims worldwide (as their last and greatest prophet). But I am just curios, if mohammed was a prophet of God, why didn't he forsee the crisis that will engulf his religion (or the religion of allahh) after his death. I mean the crisis that claimed the life of his son-in-law, Ali, and his grandchildren (hassan and hussein). I mean the crisis that had lasted for over 1300 years between two main sects, the sunnis and the shias.
If mohammed could not forsee this crisis and pray for it not to happen, how can we trust his 'prophethood'? The shia\sunni crisis had claimed more life than any other war in human history, muslims killing muslims.
Currently all the sunnis world had line-up against shia Iran after the saudi killing of a leading shia leader and the aggressive Iranian move, would all these crisis ever happen if mohammed had not come with Islam? Is Islam a force of good and peace or a force of violent and wars?
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|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by jopretty(f): 5:52am On Jan 05, 2016|
I ask myself these same questions, it got to a point I was like if I were a muslim and my religion is having and causing havoc I wud have changed faith. But well, na God know how this thing go end *goes back to sleep*
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by slyng(m): 6:56am On Jan 05, 2016|
Hello op, get some enlightenment. Dont write for the purpose of just writing. A good writer won't just trust a single source and u wont sound convincin to ur reader if ur arguements were just based on conjecture or out of ur bigotry nature as u ve shown now. Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) remains the most influential man(dead or living) on earth and will forever be. Before his demise, there exist a unified muslim ummah(no sunni/shi'ia or others). He told the muslims then that after i leave this world, 70 more muslim groups will spring up(making 71). He then warned that only one out of all will preach/follow the pristine islam. The muslims were worried and very inquisitive so as not to go astray but the prophet told them never to deviate from any of his teachings. So out of the 71 said by the prophet,i'm not sure we have up to 10 now. Most muslims today has deviated from the teachings of d prophet and that's y it is not logical to judge islam with one ill-actiön of a muslim or a sect. Islam is peace
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|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by malvisguy212: 7:43am On Jan 05, 2016|
slyng:what is your source ? What you say here , were is it writing in the quran ? The last time I quote the hadith for a muslim, he condemned it.
How is muhammed the best of mankind when the Islamic sect are bombing the world ?
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by true2god: 7:53am On Jan 05, 2016|
slyng:Good! Can you please support your claim that 70 more islamic sect will spring up after the death of the islamic prophet, either with a quran or sahih hadith?
Your excuse that islam is peace is both disingenious and ridiculous. Mohammed's own grand-children, hassan and hussein (both were killed by the sunnis), fought bloody war to regain the legacy (or leadership) of their grand father and were both killed in their attempts. Do you understand islam more than mohammed's own grand children? If mohammed's grand children (incluing mohammed himself) fought series of battle to establish islam, why do you get the myth 'Islam is peace'?
You said mohammed is the most influentail person on earth, I agree. It is a positive or negetive influence? What is the result of his influence among the muslim ummah (especially the shia and the sunnis)? What are the consequence of his influence in the arab\muslim world? What are the result of his influence in the relationship between the muslims and the 'kufars'? Of course mohammed is a bad influence to humanity.
Join the pieces together and you will get what i mean.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by darknez: 11:22am On Jan 05, 2016|
That's exactly the challenge a lot of Christians have today. They change faith more times than a woman changes her panties.
Small wonder why a lot of them go about looking and acting very confused.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by true2god: 1:10pm On Jan 05, 2016|
darknez:It is not a crime to change faith, it is a human being's unalienable fundamental human right. Only in islam that changing faith, or apostasy, is punishable by death. In saudi arabia, if a sunni change to shia he will be jailed or executed, despite the fact that both are islamic sects.
So it is not a crime, in a civil society, to change religion, but a crime in muslim countries. This is part of what makes islam evil and dangerous to man.
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|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by darknez: 2:36pm On Jan 05, 2016|
Yeah...not a crime, just like being very confused ain't a crime.
Changing beliefs as sudden as the temper of a hippo and as frequent as the poo of a chicken, says a lot about an individual.
For your info, not every Muslim keeps the faith for fear of death. On the contrary, a lot give their lives for their faith.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by tartar9(m): 3:08pm On Jan 05, 2016|
he sunni-shia crises has claimed more lives than any other war in history"
this nonsense you wrote is more than enough to convince anyone with a brain not to take serious any trash you say.
if he didn't predict the death of his grandson how does that rob him of his prophethood and how did you come to your conclusion that he never made any such prophecies?
that you are ignorant of something does not mean it doesn't exist.the divisions and crises that will face the Ummah is something that He(SAW) talked of numerous times as for the death of his grandchild there are also different hadith where He(SAW) saw it like this;
Narrated Muhammad bin Udaid, narrated Shurahbil bin Mudrik, from Abdullah bin Nujayy, and his father, that he traveled with Ali , and he used to carry his purifying water. When they were next to Nainawa on his way to Siffin, Ali called, “Be patient Oh Abu Abdillah (the kunya of his son al-Hussain), be patient Oh Abu Abdillah by the banks of the Euphrates. I [Nujayy] said, “what is this?”. He [Ali] said, “I entered upon the Prophet one day while his eyes were shedding tears. I said, 'what is it with yours eyes shedding tears?'. He said, 'Rather, Jibreel was here earlier and he told me that al-Hussain will be killed by the bank of the Euphrates and he [Jibreel] said 'do you want me to show you a sample from his soil [where he will be killed]?' and he[Jibreel] extended his hand and showed me so I couldn't help my eyes to fill with tears'”. [Recorded by Ahmad, vol. 1, p. 85.]
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|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by true2god: 5:06pm On Jan 05, 2016|
tartar9:Is this a sahih hadith?
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by Annunaki(m): 5:28pm On Jan 05, 2016|
No it's an al taquiya hadith
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by Emperor4God(m): 5:34pm On Jan 05, 2016|
[size=14pt]islam is too blood thirsty to be of God[/size]
The only religion that encourages beating of ur wives
THE ISLAMIC GOD COMMANDS TO BEAT YOUR WIFE
Qur'an (38:44) -
"And take in your hand a green branch
AND BEAT HER WITH IT,
Qur'an (4:34) -
"Men are the maintainers of women because
Allah has made some of them to
....... BEAT THEM;
THE CHRISTIAN GOD COMMANDS TO LOVE YOUR WIFE
Ephesians 5:25 (KJV)
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
BE NOT BITTER AGAINST THEM.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by true2god: 6:51pm On Jan 05, 2016|
Annunaki:Muslims can cook up lies to justify mohammed\islam. Muslims said that mohammed 'predicted' the shia-sunni crisis but without any quranic verse or hadith narrations to back-up the claim. As a matter of fact, how will a religion leader predict that there will be bloodsheed among his followers? Mohammed didnt simply forsee this crisis.
And in another way, the shia-sunni crisis is good for we 'kafirs' because muslims will concentrate on killing themselves instead of non-muslims.
On international level, both saudi arabia (sunni leaders) and Iran (shia leaders) are the greatest sponsor of terrorism, madrassas (terrorist breeding ground) and mosque building (allahh's baracks) worldwide. Their fight is a good thing for world peace.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by chiedu7: 7:15pm On Jan 05, 2016|
How can mohammed predict anything when he can't even predict what will happen to him when he dies or to muslims either
"I am not something original among the messengers, NOR DO I KNOW WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH ME OR WITH YOU(MUSLIMS)."
CHRISTIAN ARE PROMISED HEAVEN
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 HE THAT BELIEVETH ON HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED: BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
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|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by xerxesII: 7:43pm On Jan 05, 2016|
I saw real evil in Iraq Some of the acts I witnessed left me in no doubt Some people are just evil pure and simple and they're not small in number.
What a religion!
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by plappville(f): 11:48pm On Jan 05, 2016|
Islam is coming to an end. They have been living in pretense as if they are one. The wind has blew. See how disgraceful this religion is? both kill and call allah. So who is the real muslims? SMH.
Muhammad will never have peace in his grave. He will have trouble and stress as long as the world has no peace. Muslims have no peace, yet they pray for peace for Muhammad. .
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by plappville(f): 11:49pm On Jan 05, 2016|
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by plappville(f): 11:50pm On Jan 05, 2016|
You call this rubbish enlightenment? SMH for you..
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by gimakon(m): 10:17am On Jan 06, 2016|
Christians change faith to what? Islam? Hmm I laugh in Chinese. Maybe you haven't been reading. Read my signature you will understand that as 'peaceful' as islam is, the turn out of people who leave islam is simply... outrageous. this makes islam gradually die.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by gimakon(m): 10:21am On Jan 06, 2016|
I wouldn't call him a prophet. He's not and will never be near a Prophet. His dark magic is what has blinded all of you. You slaughter yourselves by yourselves and even in the confusion, you still call him a prophet? What are you on about?
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by true2god: 11:24am On Jan 06, 2016|
gimakon:don't blame slyng, he had been programmed from childhood to view Mohammed as an OK person. Even if you open the hadith and the Quran to prove that Mohammed was a criminal, he won't accept cos the initial stress will be so much for him to bear. We will keep exposing Mohammed/allahh for who he is.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by gimakon(m): 11:43am On Jan 06, 2016|
Na so now.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by sparkleboy(m): 8:45pm On Jan 22, 2016|
Islam the religion of piss
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by jopretty(f): 11:29pm On Jan 22, 2016|
gimakon:Bro, you didn't have to quote that Darknez or blackcloud dude. I saw no sense in replying him that was why I ignored him. They practice what they themselves can not define. SMH
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by true2god: 10:23am On Jan 23, 2016|
jopretty:Islam is a religion of peace and that is why the shia and the sunnis have been co-existing peacefully for the past 1400 years. That is why iran and saudi arabia are best of friends.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by Annunaki(m): 3:50pm On Jan 26, 2016|
Islam is such a cruel joke on muslims.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by truthman2012(m): 9:38pm On Jan 26, 2016|
That is another proof the Bible God is not the same with islamic god: One says love your wife the other says beat her up.
Again, One says love your enemies, the other says kill them.
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by truthman2012(m): 9:45pm On Jan 26, 2016|
Na wa o !
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by Emperor4God(m): 11:24pm On Jan 26, 2016|
he is being sarcastic
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by true2god: 9:00am On Feb 07, 2016|
Annunaki:A religion built on killing and assisinations cannot be from God. The muslims want caliphate but they have forgotten that the 3rd khalifa was killed by the 4th khalifa to get to the throne. The 5th khalifa killed the 4th khalifa while the 6th khalifa killed the 5th to violently get to the throne of the islamic world leadership.
Coup plottings and assisinations was the hallmark of early muslim leadership hence it cant be from God. Even here in Nigeria, the fulanis plotted and overthrew the indigenous hausa population to establish the sokoto caliphate, uthman dan fodio comes to mind.
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|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by asquare3: 9:49am On Feb 07, 2016|
all criticism you islam haters on NL make we muslim only stronger in faith. and wether u like it or not islam will remain in the world as long as the earth remains. for over 1400 years has been waging war right? be deceiving yourself with the mass conversion of people to islam in the west. i no get time for much talk any ways
just take this read and digest
it an old post but it comes in handy in situation like this
Christian bigotry and the accusation of Muslim terrorism: do to others as you’d want them to do to you !
Bigotry is always a problem and Islamophobic bigotry is perhaps the worst in contemporary times, the usual tirade against Muslims is that they’re all terrorists, killers, bloodsuckers and frigging terrorist!(Coming to mind also is the illogical statement : not every Muslim is a terrorist but all terrorist s are Muslims).
However, the celebrations of the deaths of pilgrims in this year’s hajj probably showcases the extent of the hatred harbored by these individuals, I mean they celebrated the deaths of people simply because they were Muslims! Attempting to engage with these people especially on social media, as some Muslims have done, is ,in my view, not only wrong but misguided, individuals who gloat over peoples misfortune effectively put a question mark not only their upbringing but also on their humanity , animals, especially elephants, have been scientifically documented to show empathy when they pass by their dead.
It is would also be wrong for one to generalize, since we had a fair share of (not only) Christians (but atheists) who sympathized and commiserated with Muslims, right in front of me as I type this, is the letter of condolence issued by the office of the bishop of Bedford, the right reverend Richard Atkinson OBE, commiserating with Muslims, and that’s why this article is directed to Christian bigots.
The purpose of this article is not to respond to those who celebrated the hajj deaths, it is a short response to bigoted Christians who (irrespective of Muslim denunciation of the antics of ISIS, irrespective of the fact that all radicals or militants who carry out terrorist acts in the name of Islam don’t even represent 0.5 percent of Muslims) still believe all Muslims are terrorists.
The Pew research center estimates the number of Muslims around the world at 1.6 billion, official CIA figures estimate ISIS fighters at 31,500, that’s 0.001969% 0f world Muslims ,yet all Muslims are not only to apologize on their behalf (according to Rupert Murdoch) ,but they are responsible for their actions! According to bigots terrorism is what the Qur’an actually teaches (according to Ben Carson, William lane Craig etc.)
So what does the bible teach?
1) Kill all those who do not worship (the Christian) God.
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. – 2 Chronicles 15:12-13 (NAB)
2) If a town is beginning to not worship God, kill them all! Oh – and burn it to the ground!
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” – Deuteronomy 13:13-19 (NLT)
3) Kill you own relatives if they try to lead you away from worshipping God.
If anyone secretly entices you—even if it is your brother, your father’s son or your mother’s son, or your own son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your most intimate friend—saying, “Let us go worship other
gods,” whom neither you nor your ancestors have known, any of the gods of the peoples that are around you, whether near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other, you must not yield to or heed any such persons. Show them no pity or compassion and do not shield them. – Deuteronomy 13:6-8 (NRSV)
4) Not only is it okay to have slaves, you can beat them to near death as long as you don’t kill them.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. – Exodus 21:20-21 (NAB)
5) You can sell your daughter as a sex slave, just make sure everyone treats her a little better than other slaves.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. – Exodus 21:7-8 (NRSV)
6) Spanking is probably good, but never rule out death.
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. – Exodus 21:15 (NAB)
7) The only penalty for unfaithfulness is death.
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. – Leviticus 20:10 (NLT)
Premarital sex is punishable by death! Well, for women.
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her father’s house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst – Deuteronomy 22:20-21 (NAB)
9) It’s perfectly fine to rape an unmarried woman, but if you’re caught you must give her Dad 50 shekels and marry her.
If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. – Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (NIV)
These quotations are really a summary (taken from Mark Sandlin’s blog) of the horrors that one can find in the bible, a particular shocking story is the destruction of the Amalekites
‘Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.' 1 Samuel 15:3
Assuming the men are combatants what was the crime of the woman or the children or the ox, cattle, sheep, camels and donkeys?
When you confront the bigots with these verses usually the response is :
Well, you took the verses out of context!
So, you believe the bible can be taken out of context? why not belief same for the Qur’anic verses you so often malign?
Well, the bible had a progression from violence to non- violence
While one may retort that Saint Paul had said
‘All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16)’
(And at this time the scriptures he was referring to was the Old Testament!) Or that Jesus had said:
‘For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot will pass the law till all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven’
While one can say that and more, the simple question to ask the bigot is did God sanction these killings? The answer: yes!
And according to Christian theology Jesus is God?
So the sugar- candy, gentle –meek –mild Christian God had once (or severally?) committed genocide (at least).
Another response from Christ
ians ,one with which they’ve used to blindside ignorant Muslims; who’ve neither studied their own religion, studied the Christian scriptures or even tried to be aware of current affairs; is to say:
‘Even if these verses are in the bible Christians have not worked with them and they’ve generally embraced peace’,
Throughout history bigoted Christians had used these verses, especially the genocidal ones, to commit untold atrocities, in fact right from early on, around the fifth century, Saint Augustine used Luke 14:23
‘…and the master said to the servant, go out into the highways and hedges and compel them to come in that my house may be filled (NKJV)’
to justify and legitimize the forced conversion of heretics to his version of orthodoxy. The colonization campaigns of Europe were legitimized with these verses as indigenous populations were simply turned to the Amalekites who deserved extermination, not to mention the Spanish inquisition, the crusades, the ku klux klan and the bombing of abortion clinics in the US!
Philip Jenkins (a catholic turned Episcopalian), distinguished professor of history at Baylor university has studied this in detail and concluded:
‘the Islamic scriptures in the Qur’an were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the bible’
And these bigots claim ‘not every Muslim is a terrorist but every terrorist is a Muslim’, so what about the lord’s republican army (LRA) in Ugandan who has been advocating for the country to be ruled by the biblical Ten Commandments? What about the anti balaka militants in central Africa republic who have stated categorically and unequivocally their aim of exterminating all Muslims in CAR? Or Anders Breivik who slaughtered 77 people in Oslo in 2011 based on his anti -Muslim and pro Christian vision of Europe?
Or another response that Muslims are all terrorist because they demand the sharia, so what about the far right Christians (especially in the republican party) who advocate theonomy (from theos (god) and nomos (law), which is the idea that Mosaic law should be observed by modern societies) and imbibe dominion theology (which is the idea that Christians should work towards either a nation governed by Christians or one governed by a conservative Christian understandings of biblical law)
In fact the greatest atrocity of the 21st century, which can easily be laid on the feet of bigoted Christianity , is that George bush went to war (as reported by the Independent, the BBC and the Guardian newspapers) with Iraq because God told him to do so ,it is reported that every memo Donald Rumsfeld ( then secretary of defense) submitted to the president was headed by biblical verse , you would probably not believe that missiles and rifles used in Iraq had biblical verses etched on to them as George bush , who had become born again at 40, went to war with what he perceived as the land of ‘Gog and Magog’ (as instructed by the holy spirit).
A war that its casualties count has reached approximately 4 million.
Yet, every terrorists is a Muslim?
The ISIS has been roundly condemned by Muslims and they’ve (Muslims) denounced ISIS’s modus operandi as unislamic and not qur’anical, let me add to it:
The actions of ISIS is in fact biblical!
‘Deuteronomy 20:10-16 New International Version (NIV)
When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.
When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.
However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave
alive anything that breathes. ’
Do you, as a Christian, feel indignation?
Do you feel the verses of the bible have been snatched out of their contexts?
Do you feel like screaming that the above is a misrepresentation of your religion?
If so, sit down, relax and think: So do others feel when you deliberately malign their religion.
Those who live in glass houses, of course, should not throw stones!
|Re: Sunni And Shia Crisis: A Test Of Mohammed Prophethood by true2god: 9:55am On Feb 07, 2016|
asquare3:Stop spamming bro. We need your input on the prophethood of Mohammed and the dual monster it created, the Sunnis and the shia.
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