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Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Malawian(m): 10:46am On Feb 06, 2016 |
Durinsday:you are very funny. do you think you can cower me with technical sounds and razzmattaz? i studied civil engineering myself, and i practiced for a while in Kaduna. so calm down and communicate, dont start any patrick obiaboghom impersonation. thanks. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Durinsday: 10:48am On Feb 06, 2016 |
egbojay: Egbojay, the BF is a very old technology. It is not any experimental model oo. I have been there and studied it. There is nothing rocket science in a blast furnace. Am not sure you have all the information. We can revive that BF if we put the right people there and fund it. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by grandstar(m): 10:50am On Feb 06, 2016 |
Durinsday: You no won hear word! The Chinese are dumping steel. Nationlistic zeal trumps economic pragmatism 1 Like |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Durinsday: 10:57am On Feb 06, 2016 |
Malawian: I am an experienced Metallurgist and Materials Engineer. I make Iron and Steel and other metals,alloys and engineering materials for a living. I am not trying to cower you. I am teaching you. Try to listen and you may learn a few. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Durinsday: 11:13am On Feb 06, 2016 |
grandstar: The chinese are making cheap, mostly poor quality steel. Some chinese companies are making a few good grades. Where are they dumping it? Is Nigeria not one of them? We can define our national steel demand in profiles, import billets from abroad and use our rolling mills first to meet that national demand. Then restrict the importation of finished steel profiles by hiking the import duties on them. That would provide at least 10,000 direct and indirect jobs. Thats the beauty of backwards integration. We would be making money and improving the economy. This is what was happening in 2004 -2008 except for the hike in import duties. That way we cut off the chinese dumping while we raise money to build the primary units. China is dumping cheap steel yet US, Canada, Britain, Germany, France, Japan, Argentina, Italy, Brazil, Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Korea are still producing steel. Have you thought of that? What those countries did is akin to what I am proposing, they scaled their production, and made policies to safe-guard existing plants. We Nigerians need to be thinking and working like them too. We dont just sit back and cry. Have you thought about us exporting to Ghana and west Africa just like Innoson is sending in a few cars to Ghana. Its not national zeal, its rational thinking with a sprinkling of economic pragmatism. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Malawian(m): 11:45am On Feb 06, 2016 |
Durinsday:bros, i cant argue with you technically in your field, just as i can drop a few civil engineering lingo, and you rush to google. the location of the steel plant is neither within our fields, those in the know advised it be built in anambra state, the FG decided in their wise man wisdom to take it to kogi state. that is what we are arguing here and not molar mass or specific density. meanwhile, what do know as Hardy Cross Process? dont google it |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Durinsday: 1:25pm On Feb 06, 2016 |
Malawian: A metallurgical Engineer designs metallurgical plants and decides where to locate them based on everything I have been telling you awhile. They are your "those in the know" and I am one of them. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Malawian(m): 1:29pm On Feb 06, 2016 |
Durinsday:the design and construction of that plant is a civil engineering job. cappish. next thing now, you will say that a doctor is responsible for desgning and building a hospital because he is "in the know". why do you think civil engineers take courses in practically all field of human endeavour? |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Malawian(m): 1:56pm On Feb 06, 2016 |
or maybe didier drogba will design and build a football stadium. looks like you have lost the arguement. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Durinsday: 4:18pm On Feb 06, 2016 |
Malawian: Try to understand the basics. Metallurgical plant design is primarily designing the process from equations ( that i have earlier mentioned) before putting in geometry. Please my dear civil engineer, could you please answer the following basic process plant design questions to make 1 ton of pig Iron: 1. How many moles ( or kgs if you like) each of dolomite, coke, natural gas, Iron ore ( hematite at 64% value) would make 1 ton of liquid pig Iron held at a carbon content of ~ 4% in a blast furnace? 2. At what temperature would you hold the furnace and for how long would it take to make 1 ton of liquid pig iron. 3. Which refractory would you use to line the furnace for optimal furnace life? CaO, Al2O3, SiO2? Which flux would you choose per refractory? 4. How many tons of water would cool the furnace shell at process temperatures without cracking? 5.what Fe:C ratio would you use to improve productivity of 1 ton of pig Iron in less time? 6. What furnace size, shape and geometery of tuyeres would improve your tapping practice for 1 ton of pig iron. When we finish all these design calculations, we draw the plant and call the civil engineers to come and cast the foundation of the blast furnace according to our specifications and we supervise the assembly ok? You seem to be a green horn in engineering too. Process design is calculations from mathematics and chemical/physical equations and NOT construction. Civil engineering design is different from plant/process design. In constructing the plant, a civil engineer/structural engineer only starts designing structural frames to assemble the plant. Would this H or I beam have enough tensile strenght? Bending moments of any beams, columns or trusses etc for the construction. Compressive strenght of cast structures etc. They dont know how to design a metallurgical process plant ok? I think you need mentorship from an experienced senior in your engineering study. You do not even seem to know what design is and how the various arms of engineering collaborate. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Malawian(m): 4:33pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
Durinsday:you are just beating about the bush. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Allwility: 11:59pm On Feb 07, 2016 |
Malawian and Durinsday...Oh puleaseee!! Ajaokuta Steel Complex has been sited at its present location. Deal with it. After all Kaduna refinery is at Kaduna and there's not even a producing oil well for miles around!! @Cooljade I'm following you on Facebook. The promise of at least 10 000 direct and indirect jobs would really mean a lot to the youths. Let's revive the steel complex and place a 1000% import duty on steel. When are we matching to Aso Rock. I'm hungry for a walk. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Durinsday: 12:36am On Feb 08, 2016 |
Allwility: @Allwility: thanks. Was having a good laugh off the uninformed lad and am pretty sorry its almost derailing this wonderful thread. All in all, we need more hands on deck to revive the plant. I think it would better our country. Kudos to Cooljade. Impressive work done so far. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by harveyspec: 6:40pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
cooljade: Hello, I noticed your new petition was up, why don't you create a new thread & call the attention of the MOD to it. For others here is the petition on change.org https://www.change.org/p/president-buhari-immediately-terminate-arbitration-with-ispat-gshl-and-appoint-tpe-to-complete-ajaokuta-scl?recruiter=57114361&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=share_facebook_responsive&utm_term=des-lg-no_src-custom_msg It's not enough to read, kindly click on the sign petition!! cc:NavierStokes 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by NavierStokes(m): 7:38pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
harveyspec: Goodevening bro, just as you have rightly advised, i think cooljade did start a thread earlier today on the new petition, I haven't found the time to read though. Will find the thread now and then respond in the best way that I can. Kindest Regards Navierstokes cc: cooljade |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by TheFreeOne: 9:40pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
veuttoutlemonde: I became aware of this thread after a request by cooljade to sign a form on above subject https://www.nairaland.com/2927406/buhari-petition-terminate-all-legal After reading through her topics + facebookpage of carefully spun conspiratorial web spanning decades from foreigners and Nigerians i felt more convinced this contraption of a country may never work cos those that were empowered to put the country on the right track keep derailing her. From what I read in one of cooljade posts there may be plans in the offing to sabotage present govt plans for ASCL: cooljade : 12. Hajiya Maryam Uwais, President Buhari's Special Adviser for Social Protection Plan, is the legal counsel for GSHL (Indians). Moderators, kindly stick this topic on frontpage so that nairalanders can read and sign the petition form. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by HiggsBoson(m): 11:17pm On Feb 11, 2016 |
Came across this piece today, words can't express how sad I was, may God bless cooljade and op. |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by cooljade(f): 6:14pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
Thank you so much dear friends. I wonder why our petition never made front page... can anyone help out?https://www.change.org/p/president-buhari-immediately-terminate-arbitration-with-ispat-gshl-and-appoint-tpe-to-complete-ajaokuta-scl?recruiter=57114361&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink |
Re: Ajaokuta Steel: Time To Break The Deadly Conspiracy Surrounding by Amoto94(m): 7:41am On Feb 26, 2016 |
We all owe ourselves a duty to perform, let's write articles and circulate it on social media. The pen is mightier than the sword |
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