Demmzy15:
¬Yesterday, I went to collect duvet because cold is really increasing everyday, as rain falls almost every day now.

I had to go through an Indian named "Muhammad Sameer". I got to the guys office, he was squeezing face at first. After I told him what I came for, he then wrote a small note for me to take to store. He now asked, "what's your name? " as I told him, he was already smiling. He then asked me "do you know my name?! " I replied "yes sir". He said if I had any problems, I should come see him

For my own mind, I don meet guys guys niyen!

FriendNG:



Don't get you. Are you doing siwes there.

AbdelKabir:
Let's be sharing the thoughts together......lol


So I along with some brothers were stopped from praying at the mosque I used to pray because it was claimed that "we are gathering ourselves and we don't pray behind the imam"....this happened three days ago....

Actually I got to know that the imam of the mosque, also his naaibu are people that " browse" with sand, they work as fortune tellers..... So because of that I stopped praying behind him.... I was even managing him before sef because of all the bidah he has, from group dhikr to Sunday as-salatu, from mawlood to bidatic nikkah ati beebee lo....

So I told some brothers about the condition of the imam and they too stopped praying behind him, so we pray(not in congregation) after they've finished praying, perhaps they've discovered and that was how we were told not to pray there again....

AbuHammaad:


Lol..Na to find another mosque nah but It will be better to try admonishing and guiding him sha.

You know most of these our old people are "Awon Afa wa sope" type of people. It's really hard to convince them because they grew up around ignorance.

AbdelKabir:


Well I've tried telling him before I decided to stop praying behind him, his response was averse, which I wouldn't want to say in a forum like this...

I've been thinking for sometime if we could construct a small masjid beside my father's house....maybe we will just build blocks round the place we want to use for a start...

AbuHammaad:


Toh! Olohun mo

The emboldened sounds like a good option too but eerm money e no easy to find

AbdelKabir:


Yea.....but I believe with planning it will work out, insha Allaah...

BTW, what do you take kneeling down or prostrating for veneration as? Shirk or not?

AbuHammaad:


Olorun a se nirorun

As for prostration and kneeling, a scholar told me years ago with evidence that both aren't permissible.

Now! Whether it's Shirk or not is what I do not know.

AbdelKabir:


Yes...both aren't permissible.... I was of the opinion that its shirk and hated reading the opinion(i.e their evidence) of the scholars that say its not shirk that its just impermissible...

But interestingly I decided to read their evidences, now I think i might need to change my views, and be of the opinion that its not clearly shirk and it not clearly non-shirk...

AbuHammaad:

AbdelKabir:


Toor.... I have a low battery now, when I charge I will present the two arguments of the scholars(of salafiyyah oo, not people of bidah), the ones that say its shirk and those that say its not....you'll see why I said it's falls between being shirk and not....

AbuHammaad:

AbdelKabir:


Well I've tried telling him before I decided to stop praying behind him, his response was averse, which I wouldn't want to say in a forum like this...

I've been thinking for sometime if we could construct a small masjid beside my father's house....maybe we will just build blocks round the place we want to use for a start...

AbuHammaad:


Olorun a se nirorun

As for prostration and kneeling, a scholar told me years ago with evidence that both aren't permissible.

Now! Whether it's Shirk or not is what I do not know.

olasaad:


What of bending because I use to do that but my roommates during my services year still condemned it.

I find it difficult to greet an elderly ppl like that and yet some people still condemned it telling me I must not bend at all.

I just believe this is not a shrik as is our own way of life.

snapscore:
I guess I can also drop my thoughts on this. Regarding bowing, I lean towards the idea that it is shirk because it is similar to ruku. Therefore, it is giving the creation one of Allah's right.

Reagarding kneeling down and prostrating, I honestly didn't know about it until a friend told me a few years back. Even when she did, I didn't really understand- she mentioned something about knees not bending or touching the floor for other than Allah. Whether it is shirk or not, I don't know but I just aviod it because it is safer. If you think about it, standing up to greet a person is not permissible, how about lying on the floor?

Its hard considering the Yoruba culture. I remember when I was in Lagos and I didn't kneel down to greet an old woman. She had no problem withbit tbh but it was another man that saw how I greeted her that scolded me, saying thay this isnt how we greet an elderly and things.
Honestly, this like this makes me want to run away from the culture and avoid it as much as possible. This isn't about just greeting but other things as well - for example, traditional marriage, burial and other things.

snapscore:
^^
Jazakallahu khyran

AbuHammaad:


Na'am! but you know bowing could also be done for veneration not necessarily worship. Are we going to say it's Shirk if the intent is to greet the person?

I myself grew up in a deeply cultural environment. I was trained by elders and growing up, I had to do these things. I was ignorant then but as I grew older and started learning, I stopped doing it. It was really hard to convince those around me why I stopped. It took so much wisdom. Alhamdulillah, they now understand why and they don't stress me much these days. Moreover, I'm physically far away from them at the moment so it's not even discussed anymore