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Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by asha80(m): 12:10pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
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Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by desgiezd(m): 12:51pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
This country has never for once behaved as a nation and the behaviours of our so called representatives is, to say the least, appalling. Even if the derivative formula is pegged at 50% and other mineral deposits in the country are exploited, no state, I repeat, no state would look up to others for money. All states would be sufficiently funded. This country is so blessed and it remains a paradox that our leaders are focusing only on petroleum. Right from the time of Abacha, there has been a Ministry of Solid Mineral Deposits but till today nobody knows what they do in that Ministry. Gold is being exploited in South Africa, in Ghana and in other places on commercial basis yet we could not partner with the companies that are engaged in this business to come here and exploit ours too. Same for so many other mineral deposits like tin, iron ore, uranium, bauxite, limestone, talc, gypsum, lead, zinc, bentonite & baryte, bitumen, coal, kaolin, columbite, niobium, graphite, marble, thorium and gem stones like sapphire, ruby, aquamarine, emerald, tourmaline, topaz, garnet, amethyst; zircon, diamond, almandine, garnet, amethyst, and flourspar. In fact the minerals are too numerous. One thing that God has also done is to ensure that most of these minerals are the purest quality so much so that Nigeria's petroleum is so pure that its called sweet crude. If I may ask, what then is our problem that we keep on hammering on petroleum like fools? |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Bialegend(m): 1:01pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
desgiezd:You did not add Fanta and Cocacola. Even Pepsi sef, u no add. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by texazzpete(m): 1:18pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
desgiezd:# And how do you know we've got commercially viable quantities of all these minerals you've mentioned? Just because there's Gold in ghana, do we take it as a given that we've got large gold deposits in Nigeria? @Topic These Senators are crazy! 50% derivation seems fair and may help ease the tensions in the Delta. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Ibime(m): 2:41pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Nice post. . . . We can see from this post who exactly is holding Nigeria back. Whilst the South is asking for council autonomy, the North are wholly insistent on maintaining the status-quo. This is the crux of all disturbances in Nigeria as Wole Soyinka rightly pointed out by stating that the time has come for Nigeria to resolve the 1967 question of federalism. IMO, it is not just about DERIVATION. . . . There is no such thing as DERIVATION in a federal set-up. Govt does not give out money to regions, regions pay Govt tax. Govt does not set laws for regions, except what the regions agree should be the Govt remit. I am talking about Land Acts, Environmental Laws etc. If Govt continue this irresponsible approach of not coming down hard on oil coy's environmentally harmful acts (flaring gas etc), then the individual regions should take that responsibility away from Govt. Finally, it requires a complete overhaul of the current State system and redrawing of boundaries for federalism to bear any fruit for Nigeria. We can have regions as small as Rhode Island or as large as Texas. It doesn't matter, as long as each individual people have the power to control their destiny. The example of Belgium where the Flemish and French groups mind their own business and have fully devolved power should provide a good example for Nigeria. Until we sort out the mish-mash that is our state system and reconstitute our politics, 50% derivation will make little difference except to the pockets of the likes of Odili. It is sine qua non that any change in constitution must be in tandem with a stern approach to corruption, and if Federal Govt has a softly-softly approach, then let each individual region deal with corruption in its own way (same as kidnapping which carries death sentence in Rivers and Abia State). |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by DisGuy: 3:05pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
are the northern senators more than the southern senators one thing im sure of is that the southern senators have never won any 'tussle' so many 'strategic meetings' to protect the interest of the south east,south south etc etc nothing is achieved at the end of it-they are useless!! |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by desgiezd(m): 3:06pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
texazzpete: Sometime ago I read a report that says one local government in Osun State, that is, Atakumosa Local Government is sitting on gold and there are gold deposits in other locations in Nigeria. We all know of large tin deposits in Plateau State and large coal deposits in Enugu State. There are also websites that state the amounts of these deposits that we have. There is nothing God gave to this nation that was in half measure, nothing. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Ibime(m): 3:18pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Dis Guy: Pls google search before making prepostorous comments. How can the South have more senators than the North in a country where no of seats are determined by population and where the Northerners have falsified census results since 1952, claiming a majority of 54%. The misappropriation of census figures is the most grievous political trick the North has ever played on the South, and if some Northern senators cannot be convinced to cross the aisle, perhaps the growing restiveness in the South would convince them to do so if militant agitation was visited upon their jurisdiction. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by DisGuy: 3:31pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
How can the South have more senators than the North in a country where no of seats are determined by population and where the Northerners have falsified census results since 1952, claiming a mojority of 54%. i asked a question! northerners have falsified census results since 1954, what have the south done about it? apart from moan online why arent the southern senators or reps challenging this in the house or do they need permission from their northerner masters? Ibime:the last census was conducted under a southerner president wasnt it? why do the northerner politician find it easy to convince southern senators anyway funny thing is majority of these people belong to the same party what do they do there(in abuja) promise them some yarinya and couple of ghana must goes? when will southern senators actually score one over the northerners? yea i cant wait for these militanst to find their way across the river! they can do all of us a favor |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Kobojunkie: 3:43pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Dis Guy: Excellent Question there. I asked the same question on another thread and only got loads of insults and next to no solid answers. I know for a fact that during Tinubu’s time in office, he at least was able to get an independent organization to confirm that Lagos population was as suggested by a state organization. Someone mentioned Orji doing something on another thread but it seems all he did was try to argue with not much but the same old tactic of estimating from decades old records. Dis Guy: BINGO!! Dis Guy: That is a mystery! Dis Guy: Na so we see am!!! |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Ibime(m): 3:57pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
This woman called Kobojunkie will always take the opposite view of logic in any debate. . . . perhaps aggressive minority should stop proferring opinions when wise majority are yarning. . . Kobojunkie: Maybe you are trying to suggest that census figures are correct? I just dont understand how your brain works. No one has ever claimed that Southern census figures are understated so any independent Lagos census should corroborate the State census. The claim is always that Northern census figures have been overstated. shieeet. . . . don't let Becomerich enter this thread now o. Kobojunkie: Because the North prostitutes the political system, must the South also be fraudulent? I dont know how you Nigerians reason. If there is no way that we can conduct politics in a fair and transparent manner without double-bluffing, I suggest we go our seperate ways, lest internal machinations leave us too weak to function as a country. It is also asinine to juxtapose the unity of a 500 year old theocratic empire against the unity of disparate Southern groups, even if many of the Southern peoples do find common purpose together. However it is not too much to ask that the rights of the minority are upheld whilst pursuing the wishes of the majority. It is a fact that the wishes of Northern Nigeria trample upon the rights of Southerners as we have no common purpose. Whilst they may look politically savvy by managing to outmanouvre Southerners at the political table, they are also politically naive because any member of the polity who cannot get his voice heard will resort to militant agitation, as seen in the Niger Delta, Igbo regions and Middle-Belt. In a country that has only fleetingly known democracy, you ask a lot of Southern Politicians. The fact that a national conference is even up for discussion shows the progress made so far, considering that the balance of power has always lain with the Northern-dominated military for the most part of our existence as a Nation. By reading Asha80's original post, I would expect anyone with two brain cells to be able to tell which part of the polity is progressive and which part is not, unfortunately that is too much to expect from Kobojunkie. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Kobojunkie: 7:55pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
@Ibime, if you have not noticed by now, I ignore you and your continous need to throw a tantrum on here whenever I do not agree with you. Maybe you ought to learn to respect yourself first, rather than continuing to insult yourself on here thinking I will stoop low enough to consider what you have to say as even valid in the arguing. I never read what you have to say because I see a child throwing a tantrum from the start and I am not here to indulge such silly behaviour! When you learn to respect yourself, maybe then I will continue what you have to say. Till then, Stop, I repeat, Stop wasting your time responding to my posts in hopes it will be considered. This is not an order but a suggestion!!!! |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Ibime(m): 8:01pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Kobojunkie: Look at this pea-brained doofus. . . .the one day I decided to humour your asinine comments, you dey yarn opata. . . . FYI, I ignore almost all your comments cos you have the brain of a silverback gorrilla and your opinions are ill-formed and not worth responding to. . . . if you dont like getting dissed, keep your stupid comments to yourself whenever you see me discussing an issue. . . . otherwise, if you dont like my response, then report to moderator. . . . idiot! |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by NegroNtns(m): 8:37pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
. . .and here we go, the show is on. Everytime we wonder why Nigeria is not progressing we should look at our actions here in NL. It speaks volumes for what is obtainable in our political and philosophical attitude to progress and accomplishments. Bottom line, Much noise at one another, zero understanding of one another. @Post, This is nothing but the National Assembly version of turf battle on NL. We see it developing with the last few posts. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by debosky(m): 8:48pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
I disagree - people insult themselves daily on American, European and other forums, why isn't it translated into their legislatures? Because people who aspire for elective office must be of a certain standard - in behaviour, principles, mental capacity, reasoning ability and compromise, not veterans of beer parlour screaming matches. Ibime be careful when you mention the 'c' word, we don't want mapman to invade this thread. Resource Control will always tear the senate apart because the North has more states and therefore more representatives than the south, and because many of the southerners are not really interested in seeking their own development and want to continue to feed fat. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by bawomolo(m): 8:56pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
abeg make becomerich come settle this matter once and for all. enough is enough. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by NegroNtns(m): 9:03pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
people insult themselves daily on American, European and other forums, why isn't it translated into their legislatures? They disagree to agree. We disagree to score points. Major difference! |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by bawomolo(m): 9:12pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Negro_Ntns: oh you haven't been on american forums when the war monger >> unpatrotic argument starts. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Kobojunkie: 9:20pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
American Forum? I mean is that were we get our standards from or something? Only imbeciles feel the need to insult their way to victory in a debate (the only way to rebutt the argument of opponent is to insult the person for having a contrary view), no matter what nationality or where the debate takes place. Even kids know better! |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Ibime(m): 9:35pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Who is arguing with this plank called Kobojunkie?. . . . has she ever raised any salient point for me to mull over on Nairaland?. . . she loves entering my debates by proxy, never addressing me directly. . . . chatting incoherent balderdash most of the time. . . . I have largely ignored her but I had to give her the mortar and pistle this time around. . . . Some people I just dont have time for and I will not excuse my brusque attitude to their likes. . . . . other reasonable contributors like Debosky, Bamowolo etc will always have my time and patience even if they chat rubbish. . . . but a serial opata-yarner like Kobojunkie will always get short shrift from me. . . |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by NegroNtns(m): 9:40pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
oh you haven't been on american forums when the war monger >> unpatrotic argument starts Sorry, but I belong on forums and participate actively both on bulletins and blog posts on national issues in America and abroad and the mindsets in these places I go are very sophisticated and polite. They BRAINSTORM. . . But their eyes are fixed on the objective and however far apart their views are in the beginning, the sense of responsibility to that common objective force them into conciliation at the end. On our part here, we do not brainstorm, we HAILSTORM. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by OYBMEND: 10:01pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
I think Christains/Southerners in the Senate should try to capture Senators from Benue and Plateau and Northern Christains in Adamawa, Taraba, Maidugri and Kebbi States by reaching a concensus with them and making concessions in the right places. Some group of folks in the North are just 'Dr NO' to progress. If we can remember that the same group of folks who oppose 50% derivation are the same folks who their forefathers opposed independence from the British we will all be fine and find the strength to match on towards a more progressive Nigeria. The reason Nigeria is backward is because it's citizens think the Nigerian State does not belong to them. We are talking about constitutional review in 21st century Nigeria and some folks are putting regional interest over National Interest. How does Northern Interest trump Nigerian interest? Resource control is at the heart of why the Niger-Delta is being destabilized and threatening the National Security of our country and none of that means anything to these folks. And they proudly say this on National Newspaper in 2009 Nigeria. This is shocking and shameful. I think we in the South-South need no rocket scientist to figure out who our enemies are, they are those afraid of 50% derivation. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Kobojunkie: 10:13pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Lagos state has been leading when it comes to being able to negotiate with the Federal government. It is not the place of our reps to continue to whine about this issue. If this does not work, they ought to be willing to work on coming up with alternatives or some compromise that both sides can work with. Only a couple of months ago, folks said it would be impossible for states to do this and that. Only recently, we heard the Federal government is handing over the operation of its fire service in Lagos to the State. I perceive this trend will continue and before we know it, Lagos will have control of the police in its state as well. They may not get 100% control to begin with but they can start at maybe 25 and then build on that with time. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by ikeyman00(m): 10:19pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
i thought the north said they can survive without oil that shaira self no dey reach out to them self |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by NegroNtns(m): 10:32pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Kobo, Nice point! Our leaders want to live in a contemporary society filled with old and outdated ideas. That's one of our problems. Negotiation, negotiation and negotiation!!! I had a boss some years back that delegated me to train the team on improving relations. I sent him a draft of my plan, the presentation had one page with two talk points. He was amazed. . .two talk points on a one page document to cover relations? It's simple. . . first, let your personality work for you; two, follow it up with commitments. A Governor is not necessarily a negotiator. An Honorable member of the Assembly is not necessarily a negotiator. The South need to find skilled negotiators that know how to remove roadblocks and bottlenecks and delegate them to the task of working a path through that is favorable against the North. A lot of issues that they bring to the public, through the media, are opportunities for backroom negotiation to ease resistance and get buy in on the opponents side. Bullying will not do it. . . the strategy must be a soft but penetrating approach. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Dede1(m): 11:08pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
It is very condescending by qualifying Lagos as a state. Any city in the jungle with Federal Government investment as does the city of Lagos should equal or outperform Lagos. The idea of granting statehood to municipalities in northern region and western region of Nigeria remains a classical example of sell-out and draconian approach to governance. Ndigbo and any other ethnicity in the jungle called Nigeria must continue their quest of nationhood. If cities like Kano, Kaduna and Lagos should be granted statehood by mere dictatorial announcement, why not Nsukka, Okigwe, Aba, Onitsha, Owerri, Umuahia, Afikpo, Uyo, Ikot Ekpene, Orlu or Asaba be granted statehood too? |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Bialegend(m): 11:22pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Anyone could just use nairaland as an example of the national assembly to understand fully well that the Yorubas are the only southern group that are aiding and abating those northerners in their crime of holding nigeria down. Just follow the line of arguments just only on this thread and you will notice that all the Yoruba forumers are singing the same tune as the awusas in regards to the thread article. They the Yorubas will be the first to come out and tell you that southerners are not united in their approach. Hypocrites of the highest order. That the southerners are not in unity to wrestle whatever mantle being it presidency or 100% resource control from the northerners is because of the Yorubas criminal romance with the northerners. They are hypocrites of the highest order. You can imagine the garbage that kobojokine is spewing here to understand what i am saying. The idiot and his ilk are always in support of the awusas in any debate here on nairaland, yet they will tell you that southerners are not in unity and that northerners are more united. That will show you the mind set of the Yorubas. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by NegroNtns(m): 11:47pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Bia, It is evident from your venomous passion that there still exist, to a gretaer degree, a segment of Igbos who are still clamouring for domination in the South. They exist here in NL and they exist in the NASS. You do not serve as good mouth piece for the Igbos and definitely you raise suspicion and caution and make it difficult for the Yorubas to let their guard down or be interested in any joint move for separation. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by OYBMEND: 11:50pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Negro_Ntns: Not exactly sure that asking for 100% of resource control by each geo-political zone of resources within their own region amounts to attempt by one ethnic group to dominate the other I don't know how Nigerians make up their logic at times. I do not hold brief for Bialegend, I think he is a rabble rouser at times. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by Bialegend(m): 11:55pm On Jul 06, 2009 |
Negro_Ntns:Ewu awusa, now read this quote below by OYB_MEND and shut up your stinking mouth forever. Not exactly sure that asking for 100% of resource control by each geo-political zone amounts to attempt by one ethnic group to dominate the other |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by NegroNtns(m): 12:00am On Jul 07, 2009 |
The two of you are drunk. OYB, I was not addressing the topic. When I address topic my post is usually preceded by "@ Post". I was responding to Bia. . . so your rumbling about logic is like water in a basket. Bia, even your own country man confirms that you are a loose cannon. "I think he is a rabble rouser at times. |
Re: Constitution Amendment: Resource Control Tears Senate Apart by debosky(m): 12:01am On Jul 07, 2009 |
is oyb the same as this oyb mend? Ol boy wetin you do to deserve banning? |
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