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Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by tempem: 6:29am On Mar 04, 2016
Faith
Some people claim to be religious, but they struggle to
understand the meaning of “faith.” What is faith, and why
is it important?

What is Faith?

WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAY: Many people think that a person who has faith simply accepts a belief without having any real
evidence. For example, consider a religious person who says,
“I believe in God.” If that person is asked, “Why do you
believe?” he might reply, “That’s the way I was raised” or,
“That’s what I’ve always been taught.” In such cases, there
might seem to be little difference between having faith and
being gullible.

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS “Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that
are not seen.” (Hebrews 11:1 ) For a person’s expectation to
be assured, he or she needs to have sound reasons for that
assurance. In fact, the original-language word for the phrase
“assured expectation” means more than an inner feeling or
mere wishful thinking. So faith involves conviction that is
based on evidence.




His [ God’s ] invisible qualities are clearly seen from the
world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the
things made, even his eternal power and Godship.” —Romans
1:20 .




Why is it important to acquire faith?

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS “Without faith it is impossible to
please God well, for whoever approaches God must believe
that he is and that he becomes the rewarder of those
earnestly seeking him.”— Hebrews 11:6 .
As mentioned earlier, many people believe in God simply
because they have been taught to do so.
‘That’s the way I
was raised,’ they might say. But God wants those who
worship him to have genuine confidence in his existence and
in his love.
That is one reason why the Bible emphasizes the
need to seek him earnestly, so that we can truly come to
know him.

How can you acquire faith?

WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS“Faith follows the thing heard,” says
the Bible. (Romans 10:17 ) So the first step toward building
faith in God is to ‘hear’ what the Bible really teaches about
him. (2 Timothy 3:16 ) Studying the Bible will help you to find
solid answers to important questions, including: Who is God?
What evidence is there of his existence? Does God really care
about me? What is God’s purpose for the future?



Jehovah’s Witnesses would be happy to help you study the
Bible. As stated on our website, jw.org, “Jehovah’s Witnesses love teaching people about the Bible, but we never force anyone to become a member of our religion. Rather, we
respectfully present what the Bible says, recognizing that each
person has the right to choose what he or she will believe.”

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/awake-no3-2016-june/faith-what-does-bible-say/
lalasticalala, seun
Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by onetrack(m): 7:42am On Mar 04, 2016
tempem:
Faith


WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS “Without faith it is impossible to
please God well, for whoever approaches God must believe
that he is and that he becomes the rewarder of those
earnestly seeking him.”— Hebrews 11:6 .

Even if god existed, I would have no desire to please him. In any case the Bible is not proof of any god, rather it is proof that people can write books claiming that there is a god.

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Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by tempem: 8:08am On Mar 04, 2016
onetrack:


Even if god existed, I would have no desire to please him. In any case the Bible is not proof of any god, rather it is proof that people can write books claiming that there is a god.
What's your level of education?

Here is a Prof who was formally an Atheist. You could read what later made him changed his view.



PROFESSOR František Vyskočil of Charles University, Prague,
is internationally known for his research in neurophysiology.
Once an atheist, he now firmly believes in God. In an
interview with Awake! Professor Vyskočil explains why he
changed his viewpoint.
What was your view of religion before you started your career
in science?
I was raised an atheist, and my father often made fun of the
clergy. I graduated from college in 1963 with degrees in
biology and chemistry. In my school years, I believed that the
theory of evolution explained life’s diversity.
Tell us a little about your career in science.
In my postdoctoral work, I studied the chemical and electrical
properties of nerve synapses. I also studied neurons,
membrane pumps, transplantation, and drug desensitization.
Many of the results have been published, and some articles
have been selected as classical. In time, I became a member
of the Learned Society of the Czech Republic, a community of
scientists chosen by their peers. After the December 1989
“Velvet Revolution,” I became a professor at Charles
University and was allowed to travel to the West to meet with
colleagues, some of whom were Nobel laureates.
Did you ever think about God?
In a sense, yes. At times, I wondered why many highly
educated people, including some of my professors, believed in
God—albeit quietly because of the Communist regime. To me,
however, God was a human invention. I had also been
outraged by atrocities committed in the name of religion.
How did you come to change your view of evolution?
My doubts about evolution began when I was studying
synapses. I was deeply impressed by the amazing complexity
of these supposedly simple connections between nerve cells.
‘How,’ I wondered, ‘could synapses and the genetic programs
underlying them be products of mere blind chance?’ It really
made no sense.
Then, in the early 1970’s, I attended a lecture by a famous
Russian scientist and professor. He stated that living
organisms cannot be a result of random mutations and
natural selection. Someone in the audience then asked where
the answer lay. The professor took a small Russian Bible from
his jacket, held it up, and said, “Read the Bible—the creation
story in Genesis in particular.”
Later, in the lobby, I asked the professor if he was serious
about the Bible. In essence, he replied: “Simple bacteria can
divide about every 20 minutes and have many hundreds of
different proteins, each containing 20 types of amino acids
arranged in chains that might be several hundred long. For
bacteria to evolve by beneficial mutations one at a time would
take much, much longer than three or four billion years, the
time that many scientists believe life has existed on earth.”
The Bible book of Genesis, he felt, made much more sense.
How did the professor’s comments affect you?
His observations, along with my own nagging doubts, moved
me to discuss the subject with several religious colleagues
and friends, but I found their views unconvincing. Then I
spoke to a pharmacologist who was one of Jehovah’s
Witnesses. For three years he explained the Bible to me and
my wife, Ema. Two things amazed us. First, traditional
“Christianity” actually has little in common with the Bible.
Second, the Bible, though not a science book, actually
harmonizes with true science.
Has your change of view hindered your scientific research?
Not at all. Every good scientist, regardless of his beliefs, must
be as objective as possible. But my faith has changed me.
For one thing, instead of being overly self-confident, highly
competitive, and unduly proud of my scientific skills, I am now
grateful to God for any abilities I may have. Also, instead of
unfairly attributing the amazing designs manifest in creation
to blind chance, I and not a few other scientists ask
ourselves, ‘How did God design this?’
Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by cloudgoddess(f): 8:30am On Mar 04, 2016
You can have confidence in a belief and it still be wrong. You can be "convicted" and still be completely wrong. That is what Christians are.

You say you need evidence to believe in your god, but outside of personal emotions, illusions of the mind, and the bible (which itself is chock full of contradictions and inconsistencies) there is no evidence supporting the works supposedly carried out by the supernatural entities of Christianity. No external, independently verified evidence that proves the God of Abraham and Jesus as any more valid as the Hindu god Krishna.

Also, for every atheist that returned to religion, there are likely at least 1000 religious people who turned atheist. It takes a very confused, fragmented, and probably emotionally-driven mind to go from reason back to irrationality. Then again though, people who are raised atheist usually didn't reason their way to atheism in the first place, so such people are still vulnerable to being sucked in to comforting religious dogmas.

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Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by tempem: 8:39am On Mar 04, 2016
cloudgoddess:
You can have confidence in a belief and it still be wrong. You can be "convicted" and still be completely wrong. That is what Christians are.

You say you need evidence to believe in your god, but outside of personal emotions, illusions of the mind, and the bible (which itself is chock full of contradictions and inconsistencies) there is no evidence supporting the works supposedly carried out by the supernatural entities of Christianity. No external, independently verified evidence that proves the God of Abraham and Jesus as any more valid as the Hindu god Krishna.

Also, for every atheist that returned to religion, there are likely at least 1000 religious people who turned atheist. It takes a very confused, fragmented, and probably emotionally-driven mind to go from reason back to irrationality. Then again though, people who are raised atheist usually didn't reason their way to atheism in the first place, so such people are still vulnerable to being sucked in to comforting religious dogmas.



And you, raised an atheist?
Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by CoolUsername: 10:22am On Mar 04, 2016
tempem:

What's your level of education?

Here is a Prof who was formally an Atheist. You could read what later made him changed his view.



PROFESSOR František Vyskočil of Charles University, Prague,
is internationally known for his research in neurophysiology.
Once an atheist, he now firmly believes in God. In an
interview with Awake! Professor Vyskočil explains why he
changed his viewpoint.
What was your view of religion before you started your career
in science?
I was raised an atheist, and my father often made fun of the
clergy. I graduated from college in 1963 with degrees in
biology and chemistry. In my school years, I believed that the
theory of evolution explained life’s diversity.
Tell us a little about your career in science.
In my postdoctoral work, I studied the chemical and electrical
properties of nerve synapses. I also studied neurons,
membrane pumps, transplantation, and drug desensitization.
Many of the results have been published, and some articles
have been selected as classical. In time, I became a member
of the Learned Society of the Czech Republic, a community of
scientists chosen by their peers. After the December 1989
“Velvet Revolution,” I became a professor at Charles
University and was allowed to travel to the West to meet with
colleagues, some of whom were Nobel laureates.
Did you ever think about God?
In a sense, yes. At times, I wondered why many highly
educated people, including some of my professors, believed in
God—albeit quietly because of the Communist regime. To me,
however, God was a human invention. I had also been
outraged by atrocities committed in the name of religion.
How did you come to change your view of evolution?
My doubts about evolution began when I was studying
synapses. I was deeply impressed by the amazing complexity
of these supposedly simple connections between nerve cells.
‘How,’ I wondered, ‘could synapses and the genetic programs
underlying them be products of mere blind chance?’ It really
made no sense.
Then, in the early 1970’s, I attended a lecture by a famous
Russian scientist and professor. He stated that living
organisms cannot be a result of random mutations and
natural selection. Someone in the audience then asked where
the answer lay. The professor took a small Russian Bible from
his jacket, held it up, and said, “Read the Bible—the creation
story in Genesis in particular.”
Later, in the lobby, I asked the professor if he was serious
about the Bible. In essence, he replied: “Simple bacteria can
divide about every 20 minutes and have many hundreds of
different proteins, each containing 20 types of amino acids
arranged in chains that might be several hundred long. For
bacteria to evolve by beneficial mutations one at a time would
take much, much longer than three or four billion years, the
time that many scientists believe life has existed on earth.”
The Bible book of Genesis, he felt, made much more sense.
How did the professor’s comments affect you?
His observations, along with my own nagging doubts, moved
me to discuss the subject with several religious colleagues
and friends, but I found their views unconvincing. Then I
spoke to a pharmacologist who was one of Jehovah’s
Witnesses. For three years he explained the Bible to me and
my wife, Ema. Two things amazed us. First, traditional
“Christianity” actually has little in common with the Bible.
Second, the Bible, though not a science book, actually
harmonizes with true science.
Has your change of view hindered your scientific research?
Not at all. Every good scientist, regardless of his beliefs, must
be as objective as possible. But my faith has changed me.
For one thing, instead of being overly self-confident, highly
competitive, and unduly proud of my scientific skills, I am now
grateful to God for any abilities I may have. Also, instead of
unfairly attributing the amazing designs manifest in creation
to blind chance, I and not a few other scientists ask
ourselves, ‘How did God design this?’


But you see, how exactly did the speaker come to the conclusion that beneficial mutations should take longer than 4 billion years? Does he have solid evidence to back up his claim? Also, if he believes that 4 billion years of evolution isn't enough to be where we are today. Then how does he reconcile that fact with the diversification just about 4,000 years after the global flood that many Christians tout as fact?

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Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by onetrack(m): 11:53am On Mar 04, 2016
tempem:

What's your level of education?

Here is a Prof who was formally an Atheist. You could read what later made him changed his view.


I'm well-educated and work in academia.
In any case, for every professor you can uncover who becomes religious, there are many more who do just the opposite. This is not meant to be an appeal to numbers to make my case, just saying that he is rather unusual, and his experience certainly does not reflect mine.

Later, in the lobby, I asked the professor if he was serious
about the Bible. In essence, he replied: “Simple bacteria can
divide about every 20 minutes and have many hundreds of
different proteins, each containing 20 types of amino acids
arranged in chains that might be several hundred long. For
bacteria to evolve by beneficial mutations one at a time would
take much, much longer than three or four billion years, the
time that many scientists believe life has existed on earth.”
The Bible book of Genesis, he felt, made much more sense.
How did the professor’s comments affect you?

Simple bacteria can experience beneficial mutations within a few years, not billions. Look at the drug-resistant tuberculosis and malaria diseases which have evolved in only a few decades.

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Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by cloudgoddess(f): 5:47pm On Mar 04, 2016
tempem:




And you, raised an atheist?
Nope. Raised Christian, became atheist in adulthood.

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Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by tempem: 6:00pm On Mar 04, 2016
cloudgoddess:
Nope. Raised Christian, became atheist in adulthood.
I knew! Sorry, if I may ask why did you become one?
Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by ifenes(m): 6:16pm On Mar 04, 2016
Faith is trusting without evidence.

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Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by Marv650(m): 1:49am On May 27, 2016
onetrack:


Even if god existed, I would have no desire to please him. In any case the Bible is not proof of any god, rather it is proof that people can write books claiming that there is a god.

the good part of it is you said "god" not "GOD". Well it's up to you but that moment when you can make a dead butterfly fly once again beep me, maybe your assumptions could then have a foundation. On the other have john 3:16 actually said "whosoever believe in him"so it's not compulsory you do.
Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by ValentineMary(m): 2:56am On May 27, 2016
The story of d professor is really funny. 4 billion.years is not enough for bacteria to evolve but 6,000 is enough for humans to get to their complex state Ever heard of why plasmodium falciparium is now resistant to peniciline? or ever heard of drug resistance in bacteria?

Religion can blind even d most educated. grin

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Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by lepasharon(f): 8:25am On May 27, 2016
ValentineMary:
The story of d professor is really funny. 4 billion.years is not enough for bacteria to evolve but 6,000 is enough for humans to get to their complex state Ever heard of why plasmodium falciparium is now resistant to peniciline? or ever heard of drug resistance in bacteria?

Religion can blind even d most educated. grin

Plasmodium falciparum no be bacteria bro
Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by ValentineMary(m): 11:47am On May 27, 2016
lepasharon:


Plasmodium falciparum no be bacteria bro
I never said it was. I know it's a protozoa. I was just giving eg of organisms that had undergone micro evolution.
Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by taurus25(m): 5:05pm On May 27, 2016
ValentineMary:
The story of d professor is really funny. 4 billion.years is not enough for bacteria to evolve but 6,000 is enough for humans to get to their complex state Ever heard of why plasmodium falciparium is now resistant to peniciline? or ever heard of drug resistance in bacteria?

Religion can blind even d most educated. grin
some times i just wonder......because the professor had an area where he wasnt really convinced in biology he hastedly came to the conclusion that man was magically formed......and such people call themselves scientists? It really does takes reason to become an athiests but emotional bullying and great hope based on fantasies to become religious.
Re: Atheist Come In And Check The Real Meaning of Faith. by Oluwaseytiano(m): 7:19pm On May 27, 2016
I don't blame the prof, religion can make fools out of the wisest of all

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