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So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by wiegraf: 7:18pm On Mar 16, 2016
As you might have heard, AI just beat one of the best go players in the world, and did so impressively.

AlphaGo is a neural network, inspired by biological processes, that essentially taught itself how to beat a legend in the game (of course it was pushed in the right direction, especially initially)

My question, as the title states, is when will AI qualify as having a soul to you religious bretheren?

And please, do note I have stated nowhere (nor even implied) that alphaGo qualifies as being fully self aware, sentient, etc. It is an impressive feat though

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Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by TheHarbinger(m): 9:34am On Apr 06, 2016
what do you think a soul is?
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by wiegraf: 10:27pm On Apr 10, 2016
TheHarbinger:
what do you think a soul is?

there was a reply to this thread? I thought y'all steered clear from it...

Can you give us your definition please? I think the some soul is some magical substance that is supposed to gives us sentience, free will, etc.
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 10:29pm On Apr 10, 2016
wiegraf:


there was a reply to this thread? I thought y'all steered clear from it...

Can you give us your definition please? I think the some soul is some magical substance that is supposed to gives us sentience, free will, etc.
You tried go? Or you suck at that too. tongue
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 10:30pm On Apr 10, 2016
Ideatoprince18 North or South?
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by wiegraf: 10:44pm On Apr 10, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

You tried go? Or you suck at that too. tongue

Worse than my chess actually...
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by DrDxtrz: 10:51pm On Apr 10, 2016
sonOfLucifer:
Ideatoprince18 North or South?

still waiting for your chess.com username smiley
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 5:47am On Apr 11, 2016
DrDxtrz:


still waiting for your chess.com username smiley
in3rigger..
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by TheHarbinger(m): 7:10am On Apr 11, 2016
@sonoflucifer and ayomikun37. I don't mean pity in a bad way. I mean it genuinely, not from a position of disgust but from one of compassion. I sincerely think you don't know the logical conclusions of the position you take.


And yes, I am JTF, and yes, I came online with this account after all these years to troll sonoflucifer and wiegraf specifically. While sonoflucifer ignored my provocations, wiegraf simply showed me he was a bigger troll.

I should have known trolling masters at such would be futile. grin
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by TheHarbinger(m): 7:11am On Apr 11, 2016
I cant reply or do anything on the religion section with my other account. Abeg wetin dey happen? Na ban?
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by TheHarbinger(m): 7:13am On Apr 11, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

in3rigger..
we go jam too o
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 7:18am On Apr 11, 2016
TheHarbinger:
I cant reply or do anything on the religion section with my other account. Abeg wetin dey happen? Na ban?
Yeah, you're banned. Well deserved, I must say.

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Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 7:21am On Apr 11, 2016
TheHarbinger:

And yes, I am JTF, and yes, I came online with this account after all these years to troll sonoflucifer and wiegraf specifically. While sonoflucifer ignored my provocations, wiegraf simply showed me he was a bigger troll.

I should have known trolling masters at such would be futile. grin
Lmfao. Don't feel hurt. You did well though. That alter ego post was epic. Well played.

Trolls feed on attention. Ignore them and they die a natural death.

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Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by TheHarbinger(m): 7:24am On Apr 11, 2016
wiegraf:


there was a reply to this thread? I thought y'all steered clear from it...

Can you give us your definition please? I think the some soul is some magical substance that is supposed to gives us sentience, free will, etc.
You're somehow correct. The soul; the collection of the mind, will, emotions...


Your mind has a voice, it is the voice reading this words to you. The voice of your thoughts and imagination. The center of your creativity and genius.

The real you, the immaterial you, has a soul.
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by TheHarbinger(m): 7:25am On Apr 11, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

Yeah, you're banned. Well deserved, I must say.
Lol. For what?
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 7:29am On Apr 11, 2016
TheHarbinger:
You're somehow correct. The soul; the collection of the mind, will, emotions...


Your mind has a voice, it is the voice reading this words to you. The voice of your thoughts and imagination. The center of your creativity and genius.

The real you, the immaterial you, has a soul.
The real me is a soul, or has one?

I hear there are experiences one goes through that could permanently change their personality. Read an article on it sometime back. Will see if I can find a link.
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by TheHarbinger(m): 7:34am On Apr 11, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

The real me is a soul, or has one?

I hear there are experiences one goes through that could permanently change their personality. Read an article on it sometime back. Will see if I can find a link.
The real you has a soul.

There are many things that can damage personality through damage of the brain. But you are not your brain.

I believe your brain is simply the conduit by which mind controls your body and interacts with things material.


Abeg how will they ban you without telling you why? I can't remember breaking any obvious rules.
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 7:44am On Apr 11, 2016
TheHarbinger:
The real you has a soul.
This statement is ambiguous. Am I a soul or do I possess a soul? What exactly is a soul? Would there be an 'I' without a body? Of what use is this 'I' without a body? Can a soul be separated from a personality?

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Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by TheHarbinger(m): 8:43am On Apr 11, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

This statement is ambiguous. Am I a soul or do I possess a soul? What exactly is a soul? Would there be an 'I' without a body? Of what use is this 'I' without a body? Can a soul be separated from a personality?
your soul is only part of you. You are a spirit that has a soul.

I've already given my opinion of what the soul is. There is you, without your body.

The you without a body is the you that has the potential to connect with god.

The personality your soul exhibits is dependent on you, it can also be affected by its conduit to the physical. But your personality is not your soul.

This is merely my take on these issues.
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by DrDxtrz: 8:59am On Apr 11, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

in3rigger..
Prince kash?
i sent you a friend request, am 'dexterouz'
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by TheHarbinger(m): 9:04am On Apr 11, 2016
DrDxtrz:

[b]Prince kash?
[/b]i sent you a friend request, am 'dexterouz'
Good to know our dear muskeeto fancies himself an indian prince. grin
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by DrDxtrz: 9:30am On Apr 11, 2016
TheHarbinger:
Good to know our dear muskeeto fancies himself an indian prince. grin

Lol you play too?
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 9:38am On Apr 11, 2016
TheHarbinger:
Good to know our dear muskeeto fancies himself an indian prince. grin

grin grin
That was my first online moniker. Still is. cool
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by plaetton: 3:22pm On Apr 11, 2016
TheHarbinger:
your soul is only part of you. You are a spirit that has a soul.

I've already given my opinion of what the soul is. There is you, without your body.

The you without a body is the you that has the potential to connect with god.

The personality your soul exhibits is dependent on you, it can also be affected by its conduit to the physical. But your personality is not your soul.

This is merely my take on these issues.

If the soul is the thing that has the potential to connect to God, then doesn't it mean that all these pastors that claim to hear from God are liars and fraudsters ?

Isn't religion, the physical worship of god, therefore deleterious to the soul ?

Rather than worship his own ideals, shouldn't man spend more time seeking out, attuning and perfecting his soul ?
Shouldn't such an endeavor occupy so much of one's fiinite time, that the frivolities of religious ritual and doctrine and evangelism be great waste of precious time ?

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Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 4:15pm On Apr 11, 2016
TheHarbinger:
your soul is only part of you. You are a spirit that has a soul.
Then I feel it's right to conclude that God is found within and expressed in nature.
The problem with 'within' is there are as many 'paths' as there are humans.

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Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by plaetton: 4:33pm On Apr 11, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

Then I feel it's right to conclude that God is found within and expressed in nature.
The problem with 'within' is there are as many 'paths' as there are humans.

Yes ideed.
If God is within everyone, then at any given time, we have several billion gods, Modulated by human evolutionary instincts, all competing for survival.
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 4:36pm On Apr 11, 2016
plaetton:


Yes ideed.
If God is within everyone, then at any given time, we have several billion gods, Modulated by human evolutionary instincts, all competing for survival.
How would this god in everyone look like or is it merely a name for our capability for individual existence?
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 4:50pm On Apr 11, 2016
Reyginus:
How would this god in everyone look like or is it merely a name for our capability for individual existence?
Our capability for individual existence. Because without our existence, nothing has meaning. A time will come when people will be studying Hitler.. 2000 years go. The only reason I wish reincarnation was true. Can't imagine my only shot at life is being a Nigerian grin

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Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 4:55pm On Apr 11, 2016
sonOfLucifer:

Our capability for individual existence. Because without our existence, nothing has meaning. A time will come when people will be studying Hitler.. 2000 years go. The only reason I wish reincarnation was true. Can't imagine my only shot at life is being a Nigerian grin
Lololol. You know when you guys mention god in us in this light I get confused. Are you then buying plaetton's pantheism?
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by Nobody: 5:07pm On Apr 11, 2016
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by asalimpo(m): 11:55pm On Apr 11, 2016
It will be a monumental task to create a computer that mimics true human intelligence.
I dont think it will be feasible using silicon chip technology.
Maybe, with more advanced devices like quantum computers, which is still in its lab stage, it may be possible. The go machine, performed a single task. Humans, perform many tasks concurrently, and process even far more data subconsciously than they even know of, prioritizing and sorting among the myriads of competing stimuli to the mind.
Then without training, we have a universally objectively fair standard of right and wrong ,
called conscience.
We are also complexly emotional creatures.
How to create a machine will all these features will be very hard.

Ironically, the inspiration for all these machines,is the humans, they are trying to mimic.
-creatures of mistake (says the atheists)
Re: So, When Will Computers Have Souls? by wiegraf: 12:01am On Apr 12, 2016
TheHarbinger:
You're somehow correct. The soul; the collection of the mind, will, emotions...


Your mind has a voice, it is the voice reading this words to you. The voice of your thoughts and imagination. The center of your creativity and genius.

The real you, the immaterial you, has a soul.

How does one spot and identify this soul?

As for what it is responsible for; bear in mind that many people thought no computer would defeat human go champions so soon because it required a great deal of - creativity and genius - to do so. More so than has been displayed by any other AI to date .

Note that alphago also happens to be billed as essentially multi-purpose in theory, even if it has been optimized to specialize in go, and is inspired by biological brains. So, it's in effect a proof of concept of how biological machines can attain creativity and genius.

When you have a natural avenue to research for these answers, exactly why invoke the supernatural?

And are you sure you are Jtf? You weren't totally ret.arded in the other thread, so a bit suspicious.....

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