promisechuks:

your problem is that you are too self-righteous.

But you know what I will be creating a new thread on grace to expound more on this issue.

Show me one self-righteous statement in ALL my post that contradicts the NT.

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You see, Christ was made to be sin for us. The issue is not that of sinners making God’s son become their Savior through the avenue of a present-day forgiveness of sins, but in believing that the son of God became their Savior the day he took their sin debt, the entirely of that sin debt upon himself.

EXACTLY!!!!

He took the entire sin(past, present and future), that means ALL. We are the sons of God, not because we live rightly, but because our debt has been paid COMPLETELY.

WE OWE NO DEBT!!!

People oftentimes base their salvation and their relationship to God on their emotions, from Paul’s perspective these people are walking after the flesh, they are walking in relation to the flesh, thinking that their relationship with God is based upon either the feelings of their flesh (emotions) or the capacity of their flesh to produce righteousness through their performance.

promisechuks:

EXACTLY!!!!

He took the entire sin(past, present and future), that means ALL. We are the sons of God, not because we live rightly, but because our debt has been paid COMPLETELY.

WE OWE NO DEBT!!!

We did not gain our new identity in Christ by being good, but rather by believing on what God accomplished, he justifies the ungodly. God counts the faith of the one who agrees with him as to the reality of their own unworthiness, and the fact that they must be justified by God’s gift decree, God counts that person’s faith as being that person’s righteousness.

promisechuks:

EXACTLY!!!!

He took the entire sin(past, present and future), that means ALL. We are the sons of God, not because we live rightly, but because our debt has been paid COMPLETELY.

WE OWE NO DEBT!!!

We are made sons by His Grace. What fruit does God then expect from sons (by the same Grace):

15 that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
16 holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that [size=14pt]I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain[/size].
Philippians 2:15,16

As per the amplified, Paul knew if they did not walk in newness of life, they had no record in Heaven and he would have laboured in vain.


Do You have this in your Bible:

46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 6:46

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21

And was Peter a pharisee when he thus wrote:

3 according as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 [size=14pt]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.[/size]

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11 for so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:3-11

Verse 3 and 4 tells us we have His Divine Power and are made Partakers of His Divine Nature (GRACE) and the following verse shows that these Gifts of Grace MUST manifest practically in our lives else we are reprobates. Vs9

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People oftentimes base their salvation and their relationship to God on their emotions, from Paul’s perspective these people are walking after the flesh

Can you pls back up your points with scriptures?


What were the works of the flesh mentioned in Galatians 5?

Scholar8200:
Can you pls back up your points with scriptures?


What were the works of the flesh mentioned in Galatians 5?

Just reasoning Paul, no need for chapter and versus. Because those of us who are bent on satisfying the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life fall into a snare, in that we become addicted to the manner in which we satisfy those lusts. Paul does not talk about God pushing a bad button and having something bad happen to us or God taking our life. 
Paul does talk about when we pursue the satisfaction of the sinful lusts of the flesh, it is not ruination God is bringing on sinful believers, but ruination sinning believers are bringing upon themselves.

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Just reasoning Paul, no need for chapter and versus. Because those of us who are bent on satisfying the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life fall into a snare, in that we become addicted to the manner in which we satisfy those lusts. Paul does not talk about God pushing a bad button and having something bad happen to us or God taking our life. 


Without the scriptures it is easy to inadvertently or deliberately leave out words, phrases, contexts, succeeding verses that would not agree with the point we are trying to reason out!

Paul does talk about when we pursue the satisfaction of the sinful lusts of the flesh, it is not ruination God is bringing on sinful believers, but ruination sinning believers are bringing upon themselves.

But do you remember Paul, by Inspiration, said the end of such 'believers' is destruction? (Phil 3)

Scholar8200:

Without the scriptures it is easy to inadvertently or deliberately leave out words, phrases, contexts, succeeding verses that would not agree with the point we are trying to reason out!


But do you remember Paul, by Inspiration, said the end of such 'believers' is destruction? (Phil 3)

But Remember the carnal Corinthians are guilty of the things Paul listed for them, but that did not reduce, reverse or remove from them their sanctified identity that already belonged to them in their union with the risen, glorified son of God.

Dead to sin, we now have a brand new identity, those who would die in their sins, were those who would continue to have their identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion, to die with that identification intact. We no longer have that identification once we believe Paul’s good news, now we have a brand new identity.

Grace that results in peace with God, understanding the grace of God which has brought peace with God, is the foundation of every believer’s joy in this age. In the midst of Paul’s troubling circumstances, he was thanking God, he was thinking what God accomplished for him through Jesus Christ.

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But Remember the carnal Corinthians are guilty of the things Paul listed for them, but that did not reduce, reverse or remove from them their sanctified identity that already belonged to them in their union with the risen, glorified son of God.

But remember Jesus Himself said to some to repent in Revelations? In that passage, Paul after listing out those things said," of such WERE {past tense} (not ARE) some of you but ye are washed...etc" MEaning after they were washed, they did not continue therein!

1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
revelation 3:1,2,4

If we defile our Garments, we may make many claims but before Him we are dead!!!

Dead to sin, we now have a brand new identity, those who would die in their sins, were those who would continue to have their identity in Adam, Adam in rebellion, to die with that identification intact. We no longer have that identification once we believe Paul’s good news, now we have a brand new identity.
[quote] dead to sin that we might become servants to righteousness and the FRUIT _Holiness will characterise our lives.
Romans 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
[quote]
Grace that results in peace with God, understanding the grace of God which has brought peace with God, is the foundation of every believer’s joy in this age. In the midst of Paul’s troubling circumstances, he was thanking God, he was thinking what God accomplished for him through Jesus Christ.

And was daily expressed through him by the Power of the Spirit that mortifies our flesh and quickens us with the Resurrection Life!

Scholar8200:
But remember Jesus Himself said to some to repent in Revelations? In that passage, Paul after listing out those things said," of such WERE {past tense} (not ARE) some of you but ye are washed...etc" MEaning after they were washed, they did not continue therein!

To the best of our ability, all we can do is walk worthy of the vocation that belongs to us, because God has freely given it to us, we have been justified freely, sanctified in Jesus Christ, how should we be conducting ourselves. We should conduct ourselves in a manner conducive to the job that God’s given us, it is our ambassadorship of the message of reconciliation.

Watch how you use chapter and versus, because you are mixing the programs together, because the Israelites have an earthly hope, they were promised the earth forever.

Best news the world could ever hear, we are not to cleanse ourselves in order to gain something from God, when it comes to our holy standing before him or to maintain something before God, because we have been freely given something, namely, a justified and sanctified identity in his son, Jesus Christ.

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To the best of our ability, all we can do is walk worthy of the vocation that belongs to us, because God has freely given it to us, we have been justified freely, sanctified in Jesus Christ, how should we be conducting ourselves. We should conduct ourselves in a manner conducive to the job that God’s given us, it is our ambassadorship of the message of reconciliation.

Watch how you use chapter and versus, because you are mixing the programs together, because the Israelites have an earthly hope, they were promised the earth forever.

Pls where did I do that?

Scholar8200:
Pls where did I do that?

The book of Revelations is not for the body of Christ, don't go there. Because after the Body of Christ is lifted off the earth, the whole period of the Day of Yahweh is called the final meeting of the ages, or the Greek word “sunteleia”; but, the crisis in which it culminates is called the end of the age, or the Greek word “telos.” These two Greek words are rendered “end” in the New Testament, but the use of these two words must be carefully distinguished.

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The book of Revelations is not for the body of Christ, don't go there. Because after the Body of Christ is lifted off the earth, the whole period of the Day of Yahweh is called the final meeting of the ages, or the Greek word “sunteleia”; but, the crisis in which it culminates is called the end of the age, or the Greek word “telos.” These two Greek words are rendered “end” in the New Testament, but the use of these two words must be carefully distinguished.

The Letters were to the 7 CHURCHES. Who else is the BODY OF CHRIST BUT THE CHURCH?

ANd why does the Bookend with the SPIRIT and THE BRIDE SAYING COME? WHO IS THE BRIDE?

There is great danger when we put the Bible aside!!!

Scholar8200:
The Letters were to the 7 CHURCHES. Who else is the BODY OF CHRIST BUT THE CHURCH?

ANd why does the Bookend with the SPIRIT and THE BRIDE SAYING COME? WHO IS THE BRIDE?

There is great danger when we put the Bible aside!!!

As we read the letters, which are addressed to us through the Apostle Paul; and, on turning to the Book of Revelation, in chapters two and three we are at once conscious of a striking change. We find letters suddenly removed from the ground of “Grace” to the ground of “Works”. 


The Book of Revelation contains a record (by vision and prophecy) of the events, which shall happen in the Day of Yahweh, after the Body of Christ shall have been removed from the earth. The whole Book of Revelation is concerned with the Israelite, the Gentile, and the Earth, but not with the body of Christ.

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As we read the letters, which are addressed to us through the Apostle Paul; and, on turning to the Book of Revelation, in chapters two and three we are at once conscious of a striking change. We find letters suddenly removed from the ground of “Grace” to the ground of “Works”. 


So was Ephesus a Jewish tribe? Or Smyrna or Sardis? NO. This position agrees that faith receives that which is manifested in the Life! Where the latter is absent, faith is vain! Plain Simple!

The Book of Revelation contains a record (by vision and prophecy) of the events, which shall happen in the Day of Yahweh, after the Body of Christ shall have been removed from the earth. The whole Book of Revelation is concerned with the Israelite, the Gentile, and the Earth, but not with the body of Christ.

So the Churches that were mentioned were? Is there a different standard for salvation? Or The Lord Himself too does not understand Grace again

Why not lay aside these self-generated notions and tampering with scriptures? The other day another of your ilks claimed that the teachings of Christ in the gospels is not meant for the Church,another one said the book of James was not for the church, WHY? You label people pharisees and disown whole books right in your Bible just because you want to hold on to some man-made , greasy grace doctrine?

Scholar8200:
We are made sons by His Grace. What fruit does God then expect from sons (by the same Grace):

15 that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
16 holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that [size=14pt]I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain[/size].
Philippians 2:15,16

As per the amplified, Paul knew if they did not walk in newness of life, they had no record in Heaven and he would have laboured in vain.


Do You have this in your Bible:

46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Luke 6:46

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:21

And was Peter a pharisee when he thus wrote:

3 according as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

6 and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

7 and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.

8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 [size=14pt]But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.[/size]

10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

11 for so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:3-11

Verse 3 and 4 tells us we have His Divine Power and are made Partakers of His Divine Nature (GRACE) and the following verse shows that these Gifts of Grace MUST manifest practically in our lives else we are reprobates. Vs9

Just see the gravity of your heresy!
Man, I will replying all this your heretic points here.

promisechuks:

Just see the gravity of your heresy!
Man, I will replying all this your heretic points here.

Explain those scriptures then.

Scholar8200:
Kindly highlight the judgement I passed.
Samson committed suicide
You hastily make accusations that you cannot prove.

Are you saying that samson didn't die by suicide?
Man go read you judges well!

Scholar8200:
ANd when by Faith we died with Him, what follows:

4 For we died and were buried with Christ by baptism. And just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glorious power of the Father, now we also may live new lives.

5 Since we have been united with him in his death, we will also be raised to life as he was. 6 We know that our old sinful selves were crucified with Christ so that sin might lose its power in our lives. We are no longer slaves to sin. 7 For when we died with Christ we were set free from the power of sin
Romans 6:4-7

If we truly believe and identify, the result is newness of life as a result of the working of the Spirit that raised Jesus working also in us.


But that faith will reveal itself in newness of life else it is vain.

The sexual urge is not sinful!!! Sin starts when we seek to satisfy it by ungodly means!

Bro, these are man made regulations for your good. The only danger in disobeying them is risk of harm to yourself and others. Okay, was Jesus sinning when, contrary to the rules, He paid tribute for Him and Peter when they could simply claim their rights and refuse to pay?NO!

Prove the highlighted by quoting me directly!!!!!

True faith will produce right living. Did Paul remain the same after he was saved by faith?NO! There was a transformation!!! How about Cornelius? Did he just get a positional righteousness?NO There was an impartation, an inward transformation:

He made no distinction between us and them, for [size=14pt]he cleansed their hearts through faith[/size]
Acts 15:9
Out of the heart are the issues of life(Prov) hence the newness of life will be a result of our faith!!!


So long as we walk in the Spirit (Romans 8:12,13)

an opinion of yours which has no relation to ANY of my posts before now. If I am wrong just quote one of such.


Pls address Paul's inspired statement in 1 Corinth 5:11.

Give references that agree with this statement credited to grace.
Now, if a Christian 'sister' goes for an abortion (result of a 'mistake' with a neighbour's husband) and dies while it is being done, where does she stand?

Sexual urge is not sinful? It is a sin when it is satisfied?

Why are you so self-righteous and heretic?


Matt 5:28; "But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman(the object of the urge) to lust(sexual urge) after her hath committed adultery with her ALREADY IN HIS HEART."

It is very clear that when you have the urge in you, whether later satisfied or not, you have already committed the sin of adultery, IN YOUR HEART.
This also shows you, that you can commit some other sins IN YOUR HEART, without even talking about satisfying it.


There is no sexual urge without an object or centre of attraction.


Your prick cannot start to move without you thinking about something related to sex. You cannot be reading your bible and at the same time be having sexual urge for the bible you are reading except you are thinking about something sexy while reading the scripture, because the bible is not a center for sexual attraction.


When you are guilty of a sin, don't try to modernise it or defend it. Take it the way it is.



So you are trying to justify the sin of disobedience against the Government, through red light, not putting helmet, not having updated driving licence, not putting on your seatbelt while driving, answering calls or drinking while driving, BECAUSE THEY ARE FOR MY GOOD, right?

So God didn't give the laws that he gave for our own Good? When we disobey God's law, we will go to hell, but that's not the case as per Govt.?


Just see how hypocritical you are, you want to be righteous before God by your right living but still trying to justify the sin of disobedience (which the bible says is worse than the sin of witchcraft) against the govt.


But why is it that when you see the road safety guy or police, you will start to be running away from them or pretend, if you are not consciously disobeying(sinning) them. If you are doing the right thing why running away from them.

Which means, disobedience and hypocrisy!

If you want to live rightly, to be seen righteous, before God, you must be totally sinless. No matter what. Until that, you are still joking with your life!


Stay in faith alone!

promisechuks:

Are you saying that samson didn't die by suicide?

Man go read you judges well!

No, Samson did not commit suicide. This claim of yours is akin to saying, Esther was contemplating suicide when she went to the king sans invitation.

promisechuks:

Sexual urge is not sinful? It is a sin when it is satisfied?

Why are you so self-righteous and heretic?

It is bad to misquote others just to prove a point. This is what I said:

The sexual urge is not sinful!!! Sin starts when we seek to satisfy it [size=14pt]by ungodly means![/size]

Matt 5:28; "But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman(the object of the urge) to lust(sexual urge) after her hath committed adultery with her ALREADY IN HIS HEART."

It is very clear that when you have the urge in you, whether later satisfied or not, you have already committed the sin of adultery, IN YOUR HEART.

Sexual urge is different from gratifying same by LUSTING after a woman! Others gratify it by pornography! Those are examples of the ungodly means of satisfying the urge!

This also shows you, that you can commit some other sins IN YOUR HEART, without even talking about satisfying it.


There is no sexual urge without an object or centre of attraction.

That is not true! Except if you think sexual urge is the same as LUSTING, which is a wrong thought.

Your prick cannot start to move without you thinking about something related to sex. You cannot be reading your bible and at the same time be having sexual urge for the bible you are reading except you are thinking about something sexy while reading the scripture, because the bible is not a center for sexual attraction.

That's lusting and sexual fantasy, not sexual urge.

When you are guilty of a sin, don't try to modernise it or defend it. Take it the way it is.

So sexual urge a husband has for his wife is sinful since sexual urge is sinful? NO! Marriage is honourable and the bed undefiled!
Sexual urge is not the same as LUSTING, the latter take place in the heart.

So you are trying to justify the sin of disobedience against the Government, through red light, not putting helmet, not having updated driving licence, not putting on your seatbelt while driving, answering calls or drinking while driving, BECAUSE THEY ARE FOR MY GOOD, right?

Show where I justified it.

So God didn't give the laws that he gave for our own Good? When we disobey God's law, we will go to hell, but that's not the case as per Govt.?

When they disobeyed the ceremonial law and ate flesh with the blood in the days of the kings, were they struck dead? Some of those ceremonial laws were basically health related (eg going outside the camp to defaecate) was any to be stoned to death because they didnt? NO
But the repercussion of not obeying them will be harm to health, finish! On that platform stands the laws of man. Except of course when it begins to bring in issues that contradict the righteousness God expects eg those that tend to false witnessing, murder, theft etc

Just see how hypocritical you are, you want to be righteous before God by your right living but still trying to justify the sin of disobedience (which the bible says is worse than the sin of witchcraft) against the govt.

You still have not showed me where I said that. False accusation is sin remember?

But why is it that when you see the road safety guy or police, you will start to be running away from them or pretend, if you are not consciously disobeying(sinning) them. If you are doing the right thing why running away from them.

And when did i do that? Now if they catch you, do you go to repent? NO! You pay the fine prescribed by the law and you learn not to be negligent next time, Simple!

Which means, disobedience and hypocrisy

I once met a man who claimed killing an insect is sin. It is usual practice to stretch sin to so as to justify claims that God is incapable of setting us free!

If you want to live rightly, to be seen righteous, before God, you must be totally sinless. No matter what. Until that, you are still joking with your life!

okay

Stay in faith alone!

And remember that faith is shown by works else faith is dead.

Scholar8200:
It is bad to misquote others just to prove a point. This is what I said:



Sexual urge is different from gratifying same by LUSTING after a woman! Others gratify it by pornography! Those are examples of the ungodly means of satisfying the urge!

That is not true! Except if you think sexual urge is the same as LUSTING, which is a wrong thought.

That's lusting and sexual fantasy, not sexual urge.

So sexual urge a husband has for his wife is sinful since sexual urge is sinful? NO! Marriage is honourable and the bed undefiled!
Sexual urge is not the same as LUSTING, the latter take place in the heart.


Show where I justified it.

When they disobeyed the ceremonial law and ate flesh with the blood in the days of the kings, were they struck dead? Some of those ceremonial laws were basically health related (eg going outside the camp to defaecate) was any to be stoned to death because they didnt? NO
But the repercussion of not obeying them will be harm to health, finish! On that platform stands the laws of man. Except of course when it begins to bring in issues that contradict the righteousness God expects eg those that tend to false witnessing, murder, theft etc

You still have not showed me where I said that. False accusation is sin remember?

And when did i do that? Now if they catch you, do you go to repent? NO! You pay the fine prescribed by the law and you learn not to be negligent next time, Simple!
I once met a man who claimed killing an insect is sin. It is usual practice to stretch sin to so as to justify claims that God is incapable of setting us free!

okay
And remember that faith is shown by works else faith is dead.

My friend, no matter how you try to justify it by shifting from using the word "satisfy" to "gratify".

In the verse I quoted, Jesus said".......ALREADY IN HIS HEART"

When somebody has already committed a sin ALREADY in his heart, does it need to be satisfied or gratified to become sin any longer, while thought of it is already a sin.


Man, it is sexual urge that leads a man to watch porn. Sexual urge is not FIRST developed when the person is watching it, rather it is developed, before the person takes a DECISION to satisfy it.


To satisfy it includes a voluntary action, but what Jesus was saying is pertaining to even it's thoughts.

Bro the bible is very clear on that, no matter how you try to twist a truth, it cannot be perfectly twisted as the person thinks.


My friend, I made it clear as per husband and wife. In that verse I quote, I clearly wrote "......(When not concerned with his wife)....."

As for a man, it is NOT a sin to LUST, HAVE SEXUAL DESIRE(urge), SEXUAL FANTASY for HIS WIFE. When it is not concerned to his wife it is CLEARLY JUDGED AS SIN.

Your problem is that you are trying to judge the scriptures with what you think, experiences and imagination. Instead of bringing all thought to subjection to the scriptures.

One satisfies or gratifies his sexual pleasures when he has gone from having the urge to practicalising his sexual desire.

Please, why are you lying this way? What is the difference between having sexual urge for something and having lust for something?

Why continue to deny it?

Lusting takes place in heart, right?
Then, sexual urge is triggered by what? And where does it take place?
The truth is busy laughing at your ignorance.

You are running helter skelter so as to justify it, but a TRUTH is the nothing but the truth because it CANNOT be twisted.

I was so much stunned at your ignorance at the end of your reply.

So because they were not stoned to death it is not sin?
Just see yourself!

What about the adulterer that was about to be kill?

So disobeying ceremonial laws is not sin and cannot result to death, if not for christ sake?

So thereby, justifying disobedience against, govt authority?

You are just amazing me with your ignorance, trying to escape the truth, buts still can't.

I think I should point out one person who was killed by God himself out of disobedience to ceremonial law. UZZAH according to 2samuel 6:1-7. Read that quotation, and tell me if it was not out of disobedience to ceremonial that he was smote by God himself.


Do you know that disobeying govt rules like traffic can risk the life of people around you. You are trying to justify it, meaning that it is not a sin before God.
My friend, if you think you have to live rightly to make heaven, then my friend you should live perfectly as God is.

promisechuks:


My friend, no matter how you try to justify it by shifting from using the word "satisfy" to "gratify".

In the verse I quoted, Jesus said".......ALREADY IN HIS HEART"

When somebody has already committed a sin ALREADY in his heart, does it need to be satisfied or gratified to become sin any longer, while thought of it is already a sin.

Satisfy/Gratify are synonymous. You appear not to realise that sexual urge is different from lusting! The latter is done with the heart and eyes and that with an object of gratification. Sexual urge is one of the desires put in man by God! At puberty, these urges begin to manifest but when such obeys the command to watch and flee youthful lusts, while depending on the Strength of the Lord, he will be victorious. That is why Paul said it is better to marry than to burn with ungratified desire!

Man, it is sexual urge that leads a man to watch porn. Sexual urge is not FIRST developed when the person is watching it, rather it is developed, before the person takes a DECISION to satisfy it.

If he satistfies it with his lawfully wedded wife, he has not sinned! Any other mode of satisfying it is sinful.

To satisfy it includes a voluntary action, but what Jesus was saying is pertaining to even it's thoughts.

Bro the bible is very clear on that, no matter how you try to twist a truth, it cannot be perfectly twisted as the person thinks.

marriage is honourable in all and the bed undefiled but adulterers and whoremongers, God will Judge Hebrews 13:4

My friend, I made it clear as per husband and wife. In that verse I quote, I clearly wrote "......(When not concerned with his wife)....."

As for a man, it is NOT a sin to LUST, HAVE SEXUAL DESIRE(urge), SEXUAL FANTASY for HIS WIFE. When it is not concerned to his wife it is CLEARLY JUDGED AS SIN.

Sure. But you need to go learn that Lust is the heart seeking to satisfy/gratify sexual desire in an ungodly manner!

Your problem is that you are trying to judge the scriptures with what you think, experiences and imagination. Instead of bringing all thought to subjection to the scriptures.

One satisfies or gratifies his sexual pleasures when he has gone from having the urge to practicalising his sexual desire.

You finally stylishly agree with me afterall!

Please, why are you lying this way? What is the difference between having sexual urge for something and having lust for something?

sexual urge has no object focus and is a natural desire, lust is an activity of the heart with an object of focus!

Why continue to deny it?

You need a study on puberty and what should be a christian's response to the hormonal changes in order to remain pure.

Lusting takes place in heart, right?

Yes

Then, sexual urge is triggered by what? And where does it take place?
The truth is busy laughing at your ignorance.

In the body! Where other desire like hunger , thirst dwell!

You are running helter skelter so as to justify it, but a TRUTH is the nothing but the truth because it CANNOT be twisted.

a lot of mistake is made when we think our thoughts are facts and hold on to them even if the whole world sshows otherwise.

I was so much stunned at your ignorance at the end of your reply.

So because they were not stoned to death it is not sin?

Jesus said the priests profane the sabbath and are blameless!!!
Selah

What about the adulterer that was about to be kill?

yes, she violated the law and the judgement prescribed was about to be applied. This was a moral issue!

So disobeying ceremonial laws is not sin and cannot result to death, if not for christ sake?

Prove this from scriptures! Stating personal opinions as facts is deception redefined!

So thereby, justifying disobedience against, govt authority?

You are just amazing me with your ignorance, trying to escape the truth, buts still can't.

I think I should point out one person who was killed by God himself out of disobedience to ceremonial law. UZZAH according to 2samuel 6:1-7. Read that quotation, and tell me if it was not out of disobedience to ceremonial that he was smote by God himself.

That was not an issue of ceremonial law. Uzzah's action was like one usurping position though he did it ignorantly! Search deeper!

Do you know that disobeying govt rules like traffic can risk the life of people around you. You are trying to justify it, meaning that it is not a sin before God.

Where did I justify it? Sure it is wrong and the repercussion is ONLY the risk to self and others.

My friend, if you think you have to live rightly to make heaven, then my friend you should live perfectly as God is.

Even God interrupts His own ordinances in nature we call it miracles! Why not analyse the issue of Jesus and payment of tribute that by rule He was not to pay?

marcopollo:
■ Is It True Our Salvation is Really A FREE GIFT? No Strings? God has revealed to us “The wages of sin is death but the *GIFT of God is eternal life...”
■ Jesus made a complete and total payment for our sins though his death, shed blood, burial and resurrection and by virtue of HIS work he offers salvation to all who will trust in him for it as a gift. All that is required to receive your gift of salvation is BELIEVE-[trust] that he shed his blood, died to pay for your sins and rose from the dead to GIFT you will eternal salvation.
■ You can only give a gift that you have paid the full price for. For those who receive a genuine 'gift,' there are no hidden fees or surcharges applied to the recipient. And it cant legally be taken back!
■ God's gift of salvation is no different regards of what you have heard or thought. The Bible shows there are no strings attached because Jesus paid the price in full.
■ If you put your faith in his death, shed blood, burial and resurrection of Jesus the only begotten son of God (1 Cor. 15:1-4), he gives you the 'gift' of eternal life and no charge to you. He paid the price in full. It's really that simple.

1. Yes, Eternal life which you receive when you become born-again — born of water(God's New Way) and born of Spirit(of Eternal Life) — is indeed free. Once condemned to perish in the grave — Death— those who become born-again, are given Eternal Life in place in Death 0 John 3 v 14 - 16 - hence the reason it is called salvation from the condemnation of Death.

2. There here is a lie because Jesus Christ did not in fact state that you are absolved of your responsibilities as far as paying back your sin debt. Rather Jesus Christ came as the way through which those formerly cursed could obtain redemption from the curse and eventually become holy and righteous. His death is in order to pave The Way toward redemption for all those who would turn back to God.

3. Jesus Christ was born full of Eternal Life from His mother's womb and as such didn't need to pay for the gift which He gave to you. So it is wrong to assume what you have here.

4. This is equally wrong! Accepting the gift means you have accepted to be bound by God's New Law and agreement, an eternally binding contract, in the Kingdom of God. And that contract comes complete with stipulations — terms and conditions— that you are to pay attention or risk spending your eternal life in eternal damnation at the end. Jesus Christ warned you severally of this when He told you to count the cost before deciding whether to become His follower or not in Luke 14 vs 25 - 33.

5. Here's a question for you. If Eternal life is free given that Jesus Christ was born full of it from His mother's womb, what price did Jesus Christ in fact state that He paid in full?

Flexherbal:
Salvation is a gift paid for by Christ.

This makes more sense than the claim that Jesus Christ paid for eternal life.

Scholar8200:
■ Op, what are we saved from when we receive salvation?
■ And when we receive Grace, what does grace produce in us?
■ Why is it that Paul always commenced his epistles stating the benefits of free Grace but end with demands for a righteous life: a proof of grace received?

1. Saved from the condemnation of sin aka Death(perishing in the grave) when we become born-again. That is the first salvation we are able to obtain in Jesus Christ - John 3 vs 1 - 21.

2. Grace aka Eternal Life, grants us what is needed to gain entry into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 21.

3. Righteousness is what is necessary to obtain the second salvation, the reward of Heaven - Matthew 13 vs 12 - 13 & Matthew 10 vs 22 & Mark 13 vs 13 & Matthew 25 vs 31 - 40. Righteousness is not necessarily proof of grace aka Eternal Life, as not all those who enter into the Kingdom of God — are gifted with free grace aka Eternal life — will obtain the second salvation which belongs only to the Righteous.

marcopollo:
✞ Is It True Our Salvation is Really A FREE GIFT? No Strings?
.
God has revealed to us “The wages of sin is death but the *GIFT of God is eternal life...”
.
*Gift Defined: Something
voluntarily transferred by one
person to another without
compensation or payment.
.
When you receive a birthday gift
from a love one how much does it
cost you and what must you
promise to do to receive or keep it?
.
If you have to make any
contributions of money or
word...by definition is is NOT a gift! That is not what a gift is!
.
Jesus made a complete and total
payment for our sins though his
death, shed blood, burial and
resurrection and by virtue of HIS
work he offers salvation to all who will trust in him for it as a gift.
.
All that is required to receive your
gift of salvation is BELIEVE-[trust]
that he shed his blood, died to pay
for your sins and rose from the
dead to GIFT you will eternal
salvation.
.
You can only give a gift that you
have paid the full price for. For
those who receive a genuine 'gift,'
there are no hidden fees or
surcharges applied to the recipient. And it cant legally be taken back!
.
God's gift of salvation is no
different regards of what you have heard or thought. The Bible shows there are no strings attached because Jesus paid the price in full. If you put your faith in his death, shed blood, burial and resurrection of Jesus the only begotten son of God (1 Cor. 15:1-4), he gives you the 'gift' of eternal life and no charge to you. He paid the price in full. It's really that simple.
.
Read it here:
"For 'if' we 'believe' that {Jesus died and rose again}, even so them also which sleep [died] in Jesus will God bring with him." -1Thess.4:14
So here is the question you must
answer now, Will you accept the
gift of God right now? How?
Believe (Trust, have faith) in Jesus,
that he died paying for your sins
and rose from the grave to save
you.
.
Add nothing or take nothing away
from this gospel message unless
you make it null and void as it then is no longer a gift.
.
➜ Please, please 'SHARE' for the lost on Facebook or any other social media if you agree .

Obtaining it is free but maintaining it is not free. You must deny yourself of so many things to maintain it.

promisechuks:
■ We were saved from the curse of the law. Period! The wages of sin is death, the curse which EVERYBODY deserves(no matter how rightly you live), but the GIFT of God is eternal life, which we can NEVER deserve but has been given freely because Jesus tasted death(which we deserve) for every man that hath, is and will live on earth, to give us the gift of righteousness.
What a great love!!! Jesus was made guilt for our sin, was condemned for our sin and was punished, so that we can FREELY have his righteousness not withstanding sin. He paid it completely so that sin will not be a hindrance to us from connecting in his righteousness.

Since Jesus Christ saved us from the curse of the Law which was a result of our sin debt, doesn't that then mean that we are left with the sin debt which we then ought to take care of?