@Beaf: There seems to be a very simple concept you are not getting here.

This thread is about internally generated revenue for different states. A man from Nigeria who has lived there all his life but who is an illiterate farmer probably doesn't know what this # is. . . or possibly even care. Yet any of those reading this thread know what the #s are, simply by looking at that table from the CBN site I posted.

Here is a list of things:
A) being on the ground in Nigeria
B) Being born in naija and having lived there your entire life
C) The price of tea in China
D) That the Heat are playing the Celtics tomorrow

All of them are completely irrelevant to this thread's topic. None will help in knowing what the IGR #s are.

If you still are too simple-minded to get the above, then there is really nothing I can do for you.

^
You really love silly arguments, yet there you were a couple of posts back, having to google what is grown in Sokoto from a total foreigners point of view. Bloody laughable!!

Dude, you need to know your yard and your identity so you don't keep arguing like a simpleton. . .By the way, bigots tend to be simple minded anyway.

Beaf:

^
You really love silly arguments, yet there you were a couple of posts back, having to google what is grown in Sokoto from a total foreigners point of view. Bloody laughable!!

Dude, you need to know your yard and your identity so you don't keep arguing like a simpleton. . .By the way, bigots tend to be simple minded anyway.

Hrm. As someone else said previously on this forum, what I'm doing right now is comparable with trying to reason with my toothpaste. I shouldn't waste my time on people who are too stvpid to understand what is being said.

Carry on though, you are welcome to have the last word. Just remember that I am 3-0 against you, Toothpaste.

ekt_bear:

Hrm. As someone else said previously on this forum, what I'm doing right now is comparable with trying to reason with my toothpaste. I shouldn't waste my time on people who are too stvpid to understand what is being said.

Carry on though, you are welcome to have the last word. Just remember that I am 3-0 against you, Toothpaste.

So sorry to hear that, I didn't know your brain was made of toothpaste. Since you have an obvious brain malfunction, can I post you a rat brain?
I guarantee you it works much better than the cassava damaged one you have. Also, these days there is a lot of research into brain transplants, so you could actually get the rat brain sewn in for free.

As a bonus, I will make sure its a brain from a Nigerian rat that actually knows where your village is too! Can you beat that?!

Do you want it? No?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/180447_ROTFLMAO_gif3d0c775232c7f27cf80592785b9635b6

Beaf and ektbear better stop their cat and mouse so we can talk real business

@apart from cement, sokoto should be one of the largest exporters of leather in the country, after kano.
Though i think most of the refining goes on in kano that's why you don't hear sokoto mentioned.
This country is blessed left, right and center. If only they can get their act together.
Read this:
http://thenewsafrica.com/2010/09/13/neglected-goldmine/

Read: •Work in progress inside a leather factory. At a stakeholders’ meeting held in Kano in December 2009 , the Director-General of Raw  Materials Research and Development Council, RMRDC, Professor A.P Onwualu lamented that the  Nigerian leather industry has been declining gravely in terms of productivity and  exportation. Onwualu, who spoke through the Council’s acting Director of the Agro-Alliedￂ Department, U.A. Hassan, noted that the country has great potentials in the leather sector,  including human resources, but wondered why the government cannot come up with a policy that  would encourage the establishment of factories that would provide a ready market to utilise  leather as raw material for the production of bags, shoes, belts and the like. Though Onwualu was right to an extent, his claim that leather production and exportation  have declined can not be supported with facts. TheNEWS investigations in Kano showed that  the business is one of those very enterprising ones that have refused to go moribund with  the discovery of oil. Disagreeing with Onwualu that the leather industry is declining in productivity and  exportation, Alhaji Lawan Sule Garo, chairman, Nigeria Tanners Council, NTC, however,  concurred there is a need for government to encourage both local and foreign investors toￂ establish manufacturing companies that would use locally processed leather for the  production of high quality goods imported from Europe and North America but which depend on  Nigeria for their raw materials. Though government is not assisting tan

^-- Are you implicitly assuming that high IGR is a sign of higher GDP too? Like, Sokoto is amongst one of the more productive states economically?

I'm not sure that we can conclude that from the IGR figures alone.

ekt_bear:

^-- Are you implicitly assuming that high IGR is a sign of higher GDP too? Like, Sokoto is amongst one of the more productive states economically?

I'm not sure that we can conclude that from the IGR figures alone.

I don't think we can too, but the problem with some of these figures is that the informal sector is usually overlooked. If sokoto has a high IGR it's probably because these industries i've mentioned are recognised by the state govt and taxed accordingly. The GDP of states in Nigeria have to be looked at critically not just the shoddy job economists in abuja do coming out with all sorts of figures.

^-- There is that Canback State GDP database which both Wikipedia and the BBC (which sourced from Wikipedia) used. But some of the #s on that list are screwy, at least to me.

I wish the CBN would publish something official and reliable. . . I can easily find the GDP of Bavaria from the German government; why can't I do the same for the Nigerian states?

Anyway, you are probably right. . . Sokoto probably does a good job of extracting money from those industries. Would be nice if all states can do the same.

More of the so-called grasslands/grazing areas in Sokoto:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73542590@N00/4277907069/in/photostream/

(look at the area behind the women)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73542590@N00/4277901155/in/photostream/

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/41478153


In the third picture you can see more malnourished cattle (with ribs clearly visible) grazing on what little dry brown grass is in the area.


I don't understand how or why they have so many livestock when their area is clearly barren.

This is what a cow is supposed to look like:

http://www.fao.org/Wairdocs/ILRI/x5468E/x5468e1r.jpg

3.59 Vache Keteku (Fashola Farm, Nigéria) - Keteku cow (Fashola Farm, Nigeria)

http://www.fao.org/Wairdocs/ILRI/x5468E/x5468e04.htm





How can raising livestock be a major occupation in a state when your land looks like it's in a state of permanent drought?

^ if the people can use their ingenuity to specialise in cattle rearing inspite of that challenge, what stops them ? Afterall statistics show that there are more than 10 million livestock heads in the state,(where i am as i post) with sokoto being the 2nd biggest producer of livestock in Nigeria.
If Israel can receive commendation for converting desert lands into productive farms, don't these people deserve some form of support too for their efforts ? Whose fault is it that the rest of the country is inept in this type of farming ?

Just wanted to point out that the IGR of Rivers State (71B) is far greater than Sokoto's (34 B) and only second to Lagos. People should make an effort to look at the chart they are quoting.

^^^good observation

FACE:

Just wanted to point out that the IGR of Rivers State (71B) is far greater than Sokoto's (34 B) and only second to Lagos. People should make an effort to look at the chart they are quoting.

the thread started in 2009, the chart is for 2011 or as he said ' the latest' from cbn website

PhysicsMHD:

More of the so-called grasslands/grazing areas in Sokoto:

How can raising livestock be a major occupation in a state when your land looks like it's in a state of permanent drought?

they have rainy season and dry season, those pictures dont tell the complete story, there have vast amount of land, check the map and some states have little dams and rivers, some cattle move according to the weather but sometimes they just stay put and make do

Most agricultural products still come from the North or middle belt, i'm sure they know their trade,

some cows cant get 'fatter' than what you see in the pictures maybe a bit more flesh but thats how are. like snoop dogg
Thats why the farm in Kwara imported cows from South Africa to cross breed them with local cows

Wow. That first photo of cows look like the ones in Pharaoh's dream. Is that a sign??


HEAD FOR THE MOUNTAINS!!!!!!!!!   

Dis Guy:

the thread started in 2009, the chart is for 2011 or as he said ' the latest' from cbn website

Nope, the figures quoted in the article are the same figures on the chart, unless you are saying that Lagos and Sokoto have managed to remain same over a two year period. More over, 2011 figures are not yet out as we are barely half way through 2011.

FACE:

Just wanted to point out that the IGR of Rivers State (71B) is far greater than Sokoto's (34 B) and only second to Lagos. People should make an effort to look at the chart they are quoting.

The comparisons made in the article seem to have been about the percentage of total revenue that was internally generated, in which case, Sokoto would beat Rivers.

edoyad:

^ if the people can use their ingenuity to specialise in cattle rearing inspite of that challenge, what stops them ? Afterall statistics show that there are more than 10 million livestock heads in the state,(where i am as i post) with sokoto being the 2nd biggest producer of livestock in Nigeria.
If Israel can receive commendation for converting desert lands into productive farms, don't these people deserve some form of support too for their efforts ? Whose fault is it that the rest of the country is inept in this type of farming ?

Where do they get their statistics from?

Anyway, my point was about the animals being starved. That's inexcusable. In addition, those people in Sokoto are actually losing money because their cows have less meat to be sold. It's a lose-lose situation.

I strongly doubt that farms in Israel contain any starved animals.

As for the rest of the country, the absence of cattle rearing in the south has to do with the actual environment of the south (the tsetse fly, for example).

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Nigeria-ANIMAL-HUSBANDRY.html

Livestock production accounts for about 6% of GDP. [b]There were an estimated 19.7 million head of cattle in Nigeria in 2001, over 90% of them in the north, owned mostly by nomadic Fulani. The prevalence of the tsetse fly in other areas restricts the majority of cattle to the fly-free dry savanna areas. [/b]The cattle owned by the Fulani and Hausa consist mainly of zebu breeds; cattle in the south are mainly Shorthorns. There were also an estimated 26.5 million goats, 21.5 million sheep, 5.3 million pigs, one million asses, 205,000 horses, and 135 million chickens.

Read more: Animal husbandry - Nigeria http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Africa/Nigeria-ANIMAL-HUSBANDRY.html#ixzz1LKJqgrq0

Dis Guy:

they have rainy season and dry season, those pictures dont tell the complete story, there have vast amount of land, check the map and some states have little dams and rivers, some cattle move according to the weather but sometimes they just stay put and make do

Most agricultural products still come from the North or middle belt, i'm sure they know their trade,

some cows cant get 'fatter' than what you see in the pictures maybe a bit more flesh but thats how are. like snoop dogg
Thats why the farm in Kwara imported cows from South Africa to cross breed them with local cows

1. The rainy season? How long does this rainy season last? If it's too short, or too light (in terms of rain) then it can't support enough vegetation for the area to feed the cows and it doesn't make much difference.
2. Having a lot of land is different from having a lot of good land.
3. The Middle Belt is different from Sokoto and other "core north" barren states.
4. No cows anywhere in the world look like that normally. Yes some cows are not as fat as others, but those cows were clearly starved. It's not a "naturally slim" situation, it's lack of food.

PhysicsMHD:


The comparisons made in the article seem to have been about the percentage of total revenue that was internally generated, in which case, Sokoto would beat Rivers.

Which means that the heading is wrong. Rivers' IGR is far greater than Sokoto's IGR.
3 out of 5 is 60% while 40 out 80 is 50%, doesn't mean that 3 > 40 in real figures. That is not to take any thing away from Sokoto which has done well. Abia did well as well with fourth highest IGR at over 21B even with poor tax collection. With proper tax/accountability, Rivers, KD, Kano, Lagos, Anambra, Delta and Abia being the major commercial and industrial areas in the country will explode at the back pockets.

Now, someone mentioned the cement factory owned by Sokoto and the fact that they are taking advantage of the limestone deposits there. There are other cement factories in Nigeria using local limestones. The question is; does it mean that the specific minerals that the FG owns are coal, oil and gas ? Do these companies/states pay royalties to FG for tapping limestone, bauxite, aluminum etc ? If they don't, how is limestone for example different from oil/gas/coal ? Why are states not allowed to tap into oil/gas/coal but allowed to tap other resources ?

FACE:

Which means that the heading is wrong. Rivers' IGR is far greater than Sokoto's IGR.
3 out of 5 is 60% while 40 out 80 is 50%, doesn't mean that 3 > 40 in real figures. That is not to take any thing away from Sokoto which has done well. Abia did well as well with fourth highest IGR at over 21B even with poor tax collection. With proper tax/accountability, Rivers, KD, Kano, Lagos, Anambra, Delta and Abia being the major commercial and industrial areas in the country will explode at the back pockets.

Now, someone mentioned the cement factory owned by Sokoto and the fact that they are taking advantage of the limestone deposits there. There are other cement factories in Nigeria using local limestones. The question is; does it mean that the specific minerals that the FG owns are coal, oil and gas ? Do these companies/states pay royalties to FG for tapping limestone, bauxite, aluminum etc ? If they don't, how is limestone for example different from oil/gas/coal ? Why are states not allowed to tap into oil/gas/coal but allowed to tap other resources ?

Sokoto cement is actually a private company. It used to be owned by the FG before it was privatised by OBJ. Most cement companies in Nigeria are private.

FACE:

Which means that the heading is wrong. Rivers' IGR is far greater than Sokoto's IGR.
3 out of 5 is 60% while 40 out 80 is 50%, doesn't mean that 3 > 40 in real figures. That is not to take any thing away from Sokoto which has done well. Abia did well as well with fourth highest IGR at over 21B even with poor tax collection. With proper tax/accountability, Rivers, KD, Kano, Lagos, Anambra, Delta and Abia being the major commercial and industrial areas in the country will explode at the back pockets.

Now, someone mentioned the cement factory owned by Sokoto and the fact that they are taking advantage of the limestone deposits there. There are other cement factories in Nigeria using local limestones. The question is; does it mean that the specific minerals that the FG owns are coal, oil and gas ? Do these companies/states pay royalties to FG for tapping limestone, bauxite, aluminum etc ? If they don't, how is limestone for example different from oil/gas/coal ? Why are states not allowed to tap into oil/gas/coal but allowed to tap other resources ?

@ the part in bold, where are you getting these numbers? And like I said, the article was talking about percentages and in terms of the percentage of revenue that was internally generated, Lagos and Sokoto do lead the way. If the heading was really all that misleading, somebody (like me) who read the article would have pointed it out. Jigawa is noted as one of the states with a relatively high IGR in that same article, yet everybody knows Jigawa is a poor state and cannot really have a large IGR in terms of total amount. There was no confusion about the article or the heading - it talked about percentages all throughout, and nobody questioned why Jigawa came before Delta because it was clear (and the OP even bolded some parts) that it was about percentages.

Anyway, another thing to consider is whether other states have other sources of income/funding that those states could use to develop their state so as to obtain a higher IGR. I think Rivers falls into that category of states, while Sokoto does not.

Where are these limestone factories in Nigeria outside of the North?

edoyad:

Sokoto cement is actually a private company. It used to be owned by the FG before it was privatised by OBJ. Most cement companies in Nigeria are private.

OK, but do these private people pay royalty to FG or state gov for the natural resources ? I know that the aluminum smelting coy in Inyishi - Imo is/was owned by Imo state and Nigercem by Imo-Anambra (East Central State). Did they just corner all the money form the limestone and aluminum or did they pay royalty + tax to FG ?

PhysicsMHD:


@ the part in bold, where are you getting these numbers? And like I said, the article was talking about percentages and in terms of the percentage of revenue that was internally generated, Lagos and Sokoto do lead the way. If the heading was really all that misleading, somebody (like me) who read the article would have pointed it out. Jigawa is noted as one of the states with a relatively high IGR in that same article, yet everybody knows Jigawa is a poor state and cannot really have a large IGR in terms of total amount. There was no confusion about the article or the heading - it talked about percentages all throughout, and nobody questioned why Jigawa came before Delta because it was clear (and the OP even bolded some parts) that it was about percentages.

Anyway, another thing to consider is whether other states have other sources of income/funding that those states could use to develop their state so as to obtain a higher IGR. I think Rivers falls into that category of states, while Sokoto does not.

Where are these limestone factories in Nigeria outside of the North?

I got the figures from the chart posted in the fisrt page and the figures do correspond with the article. Internal revenue is very different from percentage of internal revenue in relation to total revenue accruing to the state.

I take it that as the article you are also referring to the % of internal revenue of a state to the total revenue (IGR + revenue from federation account) of that state.

Rivers state has very high IGR and fed allocation, but the fed allocation is higher than the IGR by a long shot (not their fault that they are sitting on all that gold). Sokoto has 34B while Rivers has 71B IGR, which means that Rivers generates more money internally than Sokoto and Rivers has a higher % of total IGR by federating units. As an entity, Sokoto's IGR as a % of their total revenue is second to Lagos.

The heading says: Nigeria: Igr (internally Generated Revenue) - Lagos, Sokoto Lead The Way. This is false especially as the data quoted clearly says that Rivers has 71B IGR while Sokoto has 34B IGR. A better heading would be : Relative to total revenue accruing to each state, Lagos and Sokoto lead the way in IGR.

federwhat? lol

The SW was soooooo poorly managed under PDP leadership I can just imagine how it will be under progressive esp with Fashola setting the Bar

Sokoto in second place, thats really amazing. . . just take a look at Delta state, now that the figures are out from external sources, its crystal clear the level of mismanagement by the Uduaghan administration. Imagine sokoto being way ahead.

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mosesong.com/blog_images/large/09_12_25_shoulder01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mosesong.com/%3Fp%3D195&usg=__74DcBL4UduAHyFWn8aqHmcTSD7g=&h=640&w=960&sz=92&hl=en&start=34&zoom=1&tbnid=LiyMfmOsAtLCLM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=148&ei=pVjCTfTxLsqw8gP0n-T1BQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpacked%2Bmeat%26start%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D1%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1


Sokoto can make a killing in the Livestock Industry as the number of malls in Nigeria increases. I see a future where majority of the populace would move from going to traditional markets to get their meat, poultry and Turkey to smaller and larger malls.

Light or power would open a whole new world of different possibilities. There is no reason why Sokoto, Borno and Yobe cannot be the richest states in the federation when we have power.

As any one thought for a second where those meats at shop-right shopping Mall come from, you think they are imported from New Zealand or South Africa. Some people need a reality check here.

Sokoto have developed a very effective way of taxing cattle. quite a lot of cattle pass through their territory but i think other states should copy them especially with the menace of Fulani nomads. 1000 naira per head of cattle per month as a starter should focus a few minds that is about 10000 a year plus maybe a licence fee . call it meat tax. of course you can introduce health inspection and sundry other taxes and those states that eat the most beef will be smiling

^^^

Ogun is working on something similar.