@razzy

I HOPE I am wrong, but methinks a letter of offer from another educational institution could be construed as a change of circumstance - a blanket policy reason for refusal that does not have to comply with Paragraph 57 rules.

I sugest you still go ahead and request from a different uni though, you might be able to argue that you still satisfy the law as it stands i.e. that the letter is a valid letter of enrolment.

@ Mr Pataki, LC and VOR

How everyone?

Thanks for keeping this thread alive.

@Akolawole
nice to have you back.

Welcome from your tour of Europe and Croydon

Akolawole:

@ Mr Pataki, LC and VOR

How everyone?

Thanks for keeping this thread alive.

Welcome back again. Kind of got tired of some post here, but I guess big_bumper handled it well too. Are you back in Ibadan now? Or still on tour around Europe?

I have been trying contact the visa section about my appeal success can someone Please email to me the email address of the second immigration secretary. My email address is messiahagain@yahoo.com. Thanks

If I am called what am I to expect.The Visa type is WORKING HOLIDAY MAKER

Hi all, i have been an avid reader of this particular thread and i must say that it educated me a lot and equipped me with what i needed to apply for my visa (student dependant). i was however refused the visa along with my 2 year old  son. my husband has been a student in coventry university since february 2007. we decided that he goes and settles before we join him.

i am presently self employed. i cater at weddings, parties and meetings. used to work in a bank but neede more time at home with my baby so i stopped early last year. i submitted all my bank statements with over 4 million naira in  them(a reference letter from my bank, supported these statements).evidence of my business such as pictures of jobs carried out by me were included in the application. a tenancy agreement of a 2 bedroom apartment my husband secured was also included in the application. a letter of sponsorship from my father in-law and evidence of funds made available to me for this purpose were all submitted. infact i submitted every possible document you could think up.(receipt of payment of full tuition, letter of invitation from my husand's school, proof of enrolment in school)

i was refused a visa on the ground that
1. my statements were not genuine( even with a reference letter my bank did to support my accounts i run with them)

2.no proof of source of funds( i submitted a letter fom my father inlaw stating sponsorship and proof of when                 the money was made available to me and also pictures of jobs i did and a certificate of a catering course i did that qualifies me as a caterer)

3.tenancy agreement did not state size of accomodation and whether my husband stays there alone( i thot something would be put in place to verify that in the UK)

i have notified my bank on the response of the ECO and they stated that no form of confirmation was done by BHC. the landlord also said that he wasn't called and has even written a letter incase we want to appeal clarifying issues. i wasn't called for an interview and so i know that i have been unfairly denied a visa and would really like to know what step i should take next. do i appeal, re-apply or just do a letter stating that i have been unfairly denied pointing out these loopholes in their services?

please, any form of advice would be really appreciated as there is a pressing personal ssue involved in this case.

sorry if i have bored you guys but i really need an expert advice. thanx

shobaby,
sorry about the refusal.if i may ask the following question:
-how old is your husband
-how old are you
-what course is your husband studying
-why did you submit all your documents as a caterer
-did your husband submit his bank statements
-if yes how much was the balance
-is your husband currently doing any job in coventry
-did you include your marriage pictures and certificate
-did your husband write an invitation letter to you
-why a two-bedroom apartment for a student,and if so how much is the rent per month
-why did you submit your bank statements,as they require your husband's statement,he has to care for you(you are depending on him)

shobaby,lets start from here,you have a good ground if this questions are answered properly.

@ Omojeje
Thanks. I will be 30 in july,(we have been to the uk twice now, cos my 2yr multiple visa just expired on 5th may), my husband would be 34 in august, he is studying an MBA info tech, i submitted all documents as a caterer because, dat is my major source of funds right now( in a month i make nothing less than 100,000 naira) i cater weddings, meetings, parties and i also do decorations. he submitted his lloyds bank statement with about 2,000GBP, he is working with a hotel, i included my court and church wedding certificates, my baby's birth certificate, newspaper page of my change of name( didn't include wedding pics cos i had submitted all that when i applied for a visiting visa in 2004). yes he wrote and his school wrote us an invitation letter. he got a two bedroom apartment because he was expecting us to join him and we didn't want to go against their space regulations.his rent is 480GBP. i submitted my statements because the rule states funds bw d 2 of us and moreover, his father made available his school fees, which was paid into my account but after he paid his school fees from both our savings( in full) we left the money in my account for me and my son's upkeep if we have a need for it. i included my father in-laws letter of sponsorship in my application and stated when the money was paid into my account( hence the need for my statements). i also had my personal savings from previous employment and my business.

that is my story. i was so confident that i had all they could possibly require. i was at my bank today, and their control unit confirmed they weren't contacted. his landlord also said he wasn't contacted. By the way this refusal was on 22nd of may. i had read so much on this thread that i actually thot i wouldn't encounter any problems.

any form of assistance would be deeply appreciated. thanx for replying

You have all the ground to be issue the VISA but let me tell me this open secret its not known to so many people,ONCE the target of visa issuance is meet daily or anyhow those clearance officer does there thing they can only do that in Naija because nobody or Authority to question them but they can do it in London because you have different body to take up appeal for you and they know that,take it as one of those incedence of embassy stuff re apply or go for appeal.

i intend to do a letter first before i reapply eventually. cos i think the appeal takes too long. i'm kinda bitter about this whole thing and just need to let my heart out. it would reduce alot of the anger and disdain i feel right now. would be diplomatic about it any way. but i really want to be heard or even get the feeling that someone got the letter ( dats if they don"t read it). if i am refused again, my husband would just have to show face here every two two months to see us o.

it's really a pity what we go thru in the hands of these ppl.

Hi, sorry about the refusal. I'll advise you tell your husband to appeal here in the UK. it's faster from here and I heard it's easier as well. I dont think you should reapply yet till your husband appeals.

i do not want to apply immediately. i just want to do a letter, stating the obvious( unjust refusal) then reapply later. i'll probably hint my husby concerning your suggestion and we'll see. thanks

Shobaby ,

Sorry about the refusal, from the information you have provided it would appear that  
it is a very weak refusal and one which you would almost certainly win on appeal.
However, as you no doubt know appeals are not the quickest way to resolve matters
and in your case separating you and your child is particularly unjust.

I personally would advise you at this stage to appeal and at the same time send a covering letter in which
you ask them to reconsider their original decision, they do have the power to do this.
Most importantly address all the points they raised in their refusal letter, obtain another
letter from the bank confirming you are a bona fide customer, also the High Commission
does not normally check the suitability of UK accommodation, the onus is on you to satisfy
them that suitable accommodation is available to you, so you will need to do this.

When you write the letter be calm and measured in your tone. Do not be rude just state
the facts and why you think the decision is wrong. Hopefully this should bring a positive response.
One other thing, there is no visa quota as claimed by Bigboy lary.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.

London Cool

I know you have inside knowledge on procedures etc. Is there anything you can add
or amend to the advice I have given?

@ VOR
thanks for replying i was actually. i'll do d letter tomorrow and take it to them. i just received a scanned copy of a letter written by my husband's landlord stating that the accomodation is occupied by him alone and it is a 2 bedroom aprtmnt. do i attach this letter to what i'm writing to BHC?

shobaby:

@ VOR
thanks for replying i was actually. i'll do d letter tomorrow and take it to them. i just received a scanned copy of a letter written by my husband's landlord stating that the accomodation is occupied by him alone and it is a 2 bedroom aprtmnt. do i attach this letter to what i'm writing to BHC?

Shobaby,

No harm in attaching this letter, but your husband's tenancy agreement would
probably carry more weight. When is the deadline for your appeal to be filed.?

@ VOR
date of refusal was 14th may. i collected on d 22nd may and i have 28 days to appeal. i had submitted a tenancy agreement and it was based on that they said type of accomodation wasn't stated. or do i still go ahead and submit the agreement?

@VOR
The tribunal has sent a noitice of pending appeal to me and a copy to the ECO to file in all the documents used in making a decision on my application by the 6th of august.
progress i guess?


Omojeje

If there is less than 12 months left on her Husbands student visa then his appeal should fail

@ Londoncool
thanks. his course is for 15 mnths, he started in feb, his visa expires in oct 2008. he has paid his school fees in full even before he left. before he left, he was mid level staff in his bank where he worked, he is on a study leave right now, so his job is waiting for him when he returns. he has an investment that yeilds 100,000 naira monthly( i sent his inv letter with my application). i sent them a letter of sponsorship from my father in-law and in my husband's inv letter, he stated when and why the money was paid into my account. my business yeilds sometimes 500,000 in a month(all of which reflects in my statement of account) and since we are married, whats mine is his. what does parties in their rules mean? doesn't it mean both of us? it was based on this that i submitted my statements which by the way has his and my money in it. his father actually made money for school fees, but b/w the both of us, we could have paid. since dad offered to help, we decided to leave the money in my account and invest in my name.

the rent is 480GBP pcm. i think that is standard for a 2 bedroom in coventry as stated in his landlords letter he just wrote. i use his ATM card here in Nigeria so i pay rent money from interest on his investment into his domicilliary account here and he instructs it to be transfered into his account in the UK.


my bank asked me to tell them to call for confirmation because that way the get to speak to someone in charge that would provide whatever info they needed and the landlord already wrote a letter confirming his accomodation status and why he took the accomodation in the first place ( he was expecting his family to join him).

i printed a copy of my husband's statement here in Nigeria where his interest on investment is credited every month and attached to my application.

even if we are given a visa that restricts employment, i think we can comfortably live in the UK since the estimated cost of living in Coventry is about 6,000GBP. i know we won't even need upto that.

thanks a lot for replying.

@LC and all
Just some little clarification from you.
What happens if the student is been sponsored by his father,who sends money regularly to him via local money transfer from Nigeria to UK,the student collects the money and then pays it in into his own uk account which will show cash paid in consistently.This student is not working,so his limited 20hrs does not show on his statement at all.

He intends to bring his newly wedded wife into the UK,his programme finishes by sept 2007,and his LTR expires by jan 2008,obviously he is doing a specialist advanced professional masters programme(Msc Analysis and intervention in intellectual and developmental disabilities)Msc full time,and he is currently doing a clinical placement with a community learning disability team somewhere in south east london,though its unpaid and its part of the academic structure and requirement b4 september 2007.(Obviously he wld be retained by the NHS and work for them, though this wld not be known to the ECO in lagos)

Does he stand a good chance provided he presents all documents as required by the immigration rules as to the student dependant visa.He got a one bedroom apartment for £420 per mth,with a month deposit stated on the tenancy agreement.

Is his bank statement enough to present to the ECO when he intends to apply come july 2007 or will he need to prove the origin or source of funds which he utilizes in his living expenses in the UK.

what do u feel can be done to address this anticipated issue

@Muyiwabank

I am new to this thread and I am encouraged.My appeal for entry into UK as a working Holiday Maker has been allowed since the 18th of April.I am yet to receive my Visa.Please can you send me the email address of the secretary immigration messiahagain@yahoo.com.

Thanks

@ LC and Vor,

Nice working going on here.

@ Shobaby,
Sorry about your refusal but the grounds of refusal are useless and baseless I must say. However did you get a covering letter from your bank as to the bank statement?
Will come online later and give my own views .

@ Omojeje,
Na wah for you oh!

LC,

Thanks for your insightful contribution, I think however
that if Shobabay rebuts all the grounds given for refusal
she stands a good chance of having the decision reversed
even before appeal.

And if it goes to appeal I am 95-99% sure she will win.

Shobaby,

How far with your letter?
Make sure you file your appeal before the deadline.

Good-luck.

@ mrpataki
hi, the bank said i should ask BHC to confirm from them because the first letter didn't work and doing another might seem like i probably know someone on the inside. so they said if they call them about a visa statement, they'll get their confirmation straight from the horse's mouth.

@ VOR
i submitted d letter this morning. in a week or two, if i don't hear from them, i'll ask my husband to file the appeal from over there.

omojeje:

@LC and all
Just some little clarification from you.
What happens if the student is been sponsored by his father,who sends money regularly to him via local money transfer from Nigeria to UK,the student collects the money and then pays it in into his own uk account which will show cash paid in consistently.This student is not working,so his limited 20hrs does not show on his statement at all.

He intends to bring his newly wedded wife into the UK,his programme finishes by sept 2007,and his LTR expires by jan 2008,obviously he is doing a specialist advanced professional masters programme(Msc Analysis and intervention in intellectual and developmental disabilities)Msc full time,and he is currently doing a clinical placement with a community learning disability team somewhere in south east london,though its unpaid and its part of the academic structure and requirement before september 2007.(Obviously he would be retained by the NHS and work for them, though this would not be known to the ECO in lagos)

Does he stand a good chance provided he presents all documents as required by the immigration rules as to the student dependant visa.He got a one bedroom apartment for £420 per mth,with a month deposit stated on the tenancy agreement.

Is his bank statement enough to present to the ECO when he intends to apply come july 2007 or will he need to prove the origin or source of funds which he utilizes in his living expenses in the UK.

what do u feel can be done to address this anticipated issue

Here we go;

1) You need to give a little bit of info regarding your initial visa application in Nigeria.
Why?
At times ECO will recall your embassy's application to check few things eg
(a) your original Sponsor, i am not sure if the Sponsor on "paper" is still the same person
(b) whether you initially get a study leave to do that Msc

2) WHY DID YOU WAIT TILL JULY WHEN YOU KNEW THE COURSE FINISHES in 2 months?

3) £420 for one bedroom flat or Studio flat in london ?
If its one bed, that must be a bargain.
By and Large the accomodation requirement is fulfilled

4) In my own opinion, your sponsor must support the application but my major worry is the course finishing in 60 days.

@Vor
Just wanted you to know that i have just paid for my british passport but i was asked to come for an interview on the 7th of june.why the interview?i got everything they requested for except my time of birth documents(mother's antenatal/postnatal/delivery notes).they insisted on it.but the time is too short for me to get it.Will it stop the issuance of my passport?Honestly,i do not see why they should ask me for all these things.What are they likely to ask me during the interview?

Contributions are welcome.@mrpataki,akolawole,londoncool,
i am waiting,

shobaby:

@ mrpataki
hi, the bank said i should ask BHC to confirm from them because the first letter didn't work and doing another might seem like i probably know someone on the inside. so they said if they call them about a visa statement, they'll get their confirmation straight from the horse's mouth.

Hi again, just for those reading this also, I will state there is nothing stopping you from getting a covering letter from your bank here irrespective of whether you know anyone there or not, or whether you had earlier submitted an application earlier on with the same bank account. Most times they hardly make the phone call though to the bank.

liliana:

@Vor
Just wanted you to know that i have just paid for my british passport but i was asked to come for an interview on the 7th of june.why the interview?i got everything they requested for except my time of birth documents(mother's antenatal/postnatal/delivery notes).they insisted on it.but the time is too short for me to get it.Will it stop the issuance of my passport?Honestly,i do not see why they should ask me for all these things.What are they likely to ask me during the interview?

Contributions are welcome.@mrpataki,akolawole,londoncool,
i am waiting,

Really to be on the safer side, I will suggest you make efforts to get the antenatal notes. Even though I must say its kinda crazy asking for antenatal notes in respect to your delivery .

As to possible questions, well I will suggest you have a good reason why you need the British Passport at this particular period of your life, you need to express an accurate measure of confidence when addressing the ECO, even though I suspect all they want is to see you in person and know you are actually the person stated in your application. As well have a general knowledge of the UK.

I once had a neighbour who applied for her british passport, whose father accompanied her to the HC, the ECO was asking the father, what is the color of London Commercial Buses

Wish you all the Best!

@topic,
I reccommend you seek information from relevant personel rather than listening to too many different suggestions, espcially from those without any prior travel experience,

Best of LUCK!!

neelsel:

@topic,
I reccommend you seek information from relevant personel rather than listening to too many different suggestions, espcially from those without any prior travel experience,

Best of LUCK!!

Could you please enlighten us on who are these relevant personell and where is the weblink to get in contact with them. If you are quick to spit your stupidity, I will suggest you read the whole topic from the beginning.

@ Akolawole
The sponsor still remains the father right from the initial application on paper in Nigeria till date.No changes.

No he did not get a study leave to do the Msc,he got his student visa in 2004.

He is applying now because he would get marrried in June ending,in nigeria and he intends to apply immediately for his wife.

The accomodation is one bed room apartment,well its a bargain ,with all modesty.

How wld the sponsor (father) support the application?What does he have to do?

Yes the course wld finish in 60 days from lets say july,but should that be a problem?

What other should be included in the application?

Thanks



Here we go;

1) You need to give a little bit of info regarding your initial visa application in Nigeria.
   Why?
    At times ECO will recall your embassy's application to check few things eg
    (a) your original Sponsor, i am not sure if the Sponsor on "paper" is still the same person
    (b) whether you initially get a study leave to do that Msc

2) WHY DID YOU WAIT TILL JULY WHEN YOU KNEW THE COURSE FINISHES in 2 months?

3) £420 for one bedroom flat or Studio flat in london ?
    If its one bed, that must be a bargain.
  By and Large the accomodation requirement  is fulfilled

4) In my own opinion, your sponsor must support the application but my major worry is the course finishing in 60 days.