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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Joebie: 12:31am On Oct 24
leave am na.. abi u no want make Dennis tally increase? SofaScore dey copy note from here.

andrewbaba44:


Na you score the second goal for am my guy grin

Na 1 goal our man score o
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Napoleon55(m): 12:59am On Oct 24
zuchyblink:
NFF need to do more to secure more foreign born players. They need to secure Ejaria,lookman,Olise,Torunarigha and more
NFF need to do more on our youth system.
All our best players r came thru our youth system.
Victor moses is the only true quality we've gotten from abroad,
closely followed by iwobi,the rest r just normal average players, or a little bit above average.

U will be so surprised by d performances d likes of olise and eze will give u by d time they play for us.
National team football is much more difficult than club football.
But ejaria is lookin like he can fit into SEs

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Ppogbae: 1:18am On Oct 24
WeAREallPERV:
We need to raise the bar here for our players!
Dancing in the field of play without making any contributions in terms of goals, assists or defensive astuteness if a defender, is a NO NO for me!!

Gbam. I don't want shakara shakara football. I want results!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by nairalandankrah: 2:38am On Oct 24
Honestly enough of all those nonsense mediocrity here! You can't be dancing around all game while the opposition remains comfortable cos they know your dancing around will never impact the game to your favor.... Our players must learn to be pro - active on the pitch, have a winning mentality, always seeking to hurt the opposition.. That's y I love osimhen and nacho is now trying.!!.. Anyways, back to another matter,

You can't be cheered on by your fans this way and fail to come back home with the victory... See motivation!
Omoh when will my heartland fc have this kind of bus??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFOKZlaGhZo

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by fabyom: 3:06am On Oct 24
Sanusi was amazing today even though he didn't play the full game. We have the midfield to compete with any African team.
A midfield of Ndidi/Onyeka, Aribo/Etebo/Micheal and Iwobi/Iheanacho can match any team on the continent. Balogun/Awaziem, Ekong/Apokguma/Omeruo, Collins/Bassey/Sanusi, Aina/Ebeuhi. Ejuke/Dennis/Simon, Chuks/Kalu. Oshimen/Onachu/Awoniyi.
Those not invited yet: Sadiq/Desser/Ugbo/Okereke/Simy.
I don't see a better team on the continent, maybe a better coach but definitely not a better team.
Olise plays the same role as Aribo at club level. Aribo is a better player!

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by 12large1: 3:39am On Oct 24
fabyom:
Sanusi was amazing today even though he didn't play the full game. We have the midfield to compete with any African team.
A midfield of Ndidi/Onyeka, Aribo/Etebo/Micheal and Iwobi/Iheanacho can match any team on the continent. Balogun/Awaziem, Ekong/Apokguma/Omeruo, Collins/Bassey/Sanusi, Aina/Ebeuhi. Ejuke/Dennis/Simon, Chuks/Kalu. Oshimen/Onachu/Awoniyi.
Those not invited yet: Sadiq/Desser/Ugbo/Okereke/Simy.
I don't see a better team on the continent, maybe a better coach but definitely not a better team.
Olise plays the same role as Aribo at club level. Aribo is a better player!

Zaidu and awaziem are our only defenders now that I genuinely believe can become good or Wc if they improve on their self tremendously. Also, iheanacho is not a midfielder stop these nonsense

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Mujtahida: 5:11am On Oct 24
andrewbaba44:


He said he prefer osimhen to mbappe and there is nothing wrong about that

Back to our arguement then ,I started the arguement by saying Haaland is better than osimhen ,I didn’t ask anyone or nerdy who do they prefer so please stop lying

Thank you .
The original argument was Halaand is currently better than Osimhen. It was the goodjoe who brought in the issue of preference. you guys refused to get down to that argument with him instead you stuck with the original argument. When it was obvious that the preference line was not being bought by you guys, he said na lack of comprehension. But I could see through the whole thing.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Mujtahida: 5:19am On Oct 24
TheGoodJoe:


Stop calling him a liar. He was right. The argument was not about who was better. It was preference due to tactics.

I dropped Gabriel Jesus and Aguero's analogy. Showing Aguero was better but Guardiola preferred Gabriel Jesus.

So how was it about better?
The argument was between Andrew and Thesupernerd as to who is better not who prefers who. The supernerd conceded that Halaand is better but that Osimhen is the more complete player. You were the one who veered into the issue of preference specifically mentioning Gaudiola perhaps as an example. And when Andrew and elyte89 refused to join issues with you on the matter of preference, you began saying that the problem is lack of comprehension but I intervened to let you know that it was not lack of comprehension.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Mujtahida: 5:23am On Oct 24
TheGoodJoe:


You started the argument and I explained to you that it has to do with preference of attributes. TheSuperNerd went ahead to breakdown the attributes. Why did he do that?

It was to show you the reason of preference even though Haaland is rated higher.

At least Walter Sabatini's comment has done the debate justice.
Thesupernerd did not break down attributes to support your narrative of preference but to support his own thesis that Osimhen is the more complete player.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by 12large1: 5:28am On Oct 24
Mujtahida:

The argument was between Andrew and Thesupernerd as to who is better not who prefers who. The supernerd conceded that Halaand is better but that Osimhen is the more complete player. You were the one who veered into the issue of preference specifically mentioning Gaudiola perhaps as an example. And when Andrew and elyte89 refused to join issues with you on the matter of preference, you began saying that the problem is lack of comprehension but I intervened to let you know that it was not lack of comprehension.


By saying that osimehn is a more complete player is indirectly stating that he is better than haaland. On current form and previous trajectory, he isn’t a more complete player than haaland because haaland is performing his designated role at a world class level and is one of the best at it (Statistically). For example, If I infer that a player like Moses Simon is more complete than messi because he tracks back, defends exquisitely vocal and more disciplined than Messi. I am indirectly inferring that Moses Simon is a better player than Messi. As for me, I rather players prove their self on the pitch by earning that title and doing it unarguably. also players should be judged by their performance, figures, stats of their position “main duty” and not irrelevant stats. You can’t boldly say that Osimehn is more complete than Haaland because “he tracks back”, Defends etc understanding that, the aforementioned isn’t a main requirement of a striker. In the future, osimehn can surpass Haaland (if he earns it) for now, haaland and lewandoski are untouchable

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Mujtahida: 5:37am On Oct 24
TheGoodJoe:


Now you know that a coach or person will prefer a lower rated player over a top rated player due to attributes.

No one, will say Osimhen is better over Haaland because of Haaland is rated higher.

So, he will give his reasons why he prefers Haaland.

All round attributes Is a reason why one will prefer a player over another.
Wine is better than water but water is the more complete drink (this is just an example of the original argument)

Gaudiola prefers water because it is the more complete drink- this illustrates how you decided to frame the argument but it still is not the same thing with the original argument. Perhaps it fits as an extension of the original argument but it is still distinct from it particularly since elyte89 and Andrew refused to follow you in swimming in that and therefore kept the original argument clear.

You are slippery sha.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Mujtahida: 5:45am On Oct 24
12large1:



By saying that osimehn is a more complete player is indirectly stating that he is better than haaland. On current form and previous trajectory, he isn’t a more complete player than haaland because haaland is performing his designated role at a world class level and is one of the best at it (Statistically). For example, If I infer that a player like Moses Simon is more complete than messi because he tracks back, defends exquisitely vocal and more disciplined than Messi. I am indirectly inferring that Moses Simon is a better player than Messi. As for me, I rather players prove their self on the pitch by earning that title and doing it unarguably. also players should be judged by their performance, figures, stats of their position “main duty” and not irrelevant stats. For example, you cannot claim that allyson is a better goal keeper than mendi because he is more comfortable on the ball. You can’t say Osimehn is more complete than Haaland because “he tracks back”. In the future, osimehn can surpass Haaland (if he earns it) for now, haaland and lewandoski are untouchable
I get you. I don't want to rehash the argument as it's settled. But some are attempting to recast the way the argument developed.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by 12large1: 5:51am On Oct 24
By the way, I expect another top notch performance from osimehn tomorrow. He is Nigeria star man at the moment and deserves everyone support

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by 12large1: 5:54am On Oct 24
Mujtahida:

I get you. I don't want to rehash the argument as it's settled. But some are attempting to recast the way the argument developed.

Yes, everyone should just support osimehn humbly and don’t place unnecessary pressure on the boy because he is super eagles most famous and likely player to be world class on current form

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Mujtahida: 5:58am On Oct 24
12large1:


Yes, everyone should just support osimehn humbly and don’t place unnecessary pressure on the boy because he is super eagles most famous and likely player to be world class on current form
He sure will go places. I've always had my eyes on him since his under 17 days and in spite of his troubles, I never doubted his abilities and never will. We are just being realistic in our assessment.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Ppogbae: 6:21am On Oct 24
National Stadium, Abuja

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:25am On Oct 24
Mujtahida:

The argument was between Andrew and Thesupernerd as to who is better not who prefers who. The supernerd conceded that Halaand is better but that Osimhen is the more complete player. You were the one who veered into the issue of preference specifically mentioning Gaudiola perhaps as an example. And when Andrew and elyte89 refused to join issues with you on the matter of preference, you began saying that the problem is lack of comprehension but I intervened to let you know that it was not lack of comprehension.

TheSuperNerd's argument is that the attributes show Osimhen as a more complete footballer than Haaland. Despite Haaland being rated highly, (to many people, Haaland is the better player) but to TheSuperNerd, Osimhen is better.

Why does TheSuperNerd feel Osimhen is better? Attributes. He went further to list attributes why HE feels Osimhen is the better player.

That is why I use the term preference.

To explain further,

I used Guardiola, Aguero, Gabriel Jesus triangle to buttress the point. I even pointed Riquelme, Ronaldinho, Pellegrini triangle.

The preference is a person feeling one is better. Due to contribution. But, in rating, the general view takes lead.

Many will not compare Mbappe and Osimhen. It is not even up for debate. But, Walter Sabatini is telling you he will pick Osimhen ahead of Mbappe. He gave his reason.

So TheSuperNerd gave his preference as to why he feels Osimhen is better. That does not mean TheSuperNerd is saying that the general idea of Haaland being better is wrong.

I don't know how else to say it.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by andrewbaba44: 6:31am On Oct 24
Mujtahida:

The original argument was Halaand is currently better than Osimhen. It was the goodjoe who brought in the issue of preference. you guys refused to get down to that argument with him instead you stuck with the original argument. When it was obvious that the preference line was not being bought by you guys, he said na lack of comprehension. But I could see through the whole thing.

Lol
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:31am On Oct 24
Mujtahida:

Thesupernerd did not break down attributes to support your narrative of preference but to support his own thesis that Osimhen is the more complete player.
Look at yesterday how Guardiola deployed Gabriel Jesus on the right-wing. He looked at ease and efficient there. Some will argue he performs better there.

In Guardiola's tactics, he likes strikers that offer more than finishing. So he preferred Gabriel Jesus.

Attributes make someone rate a player better than what others feel.

So will you tell Walter Sabatini that he is wrong and should always pick Mbappe, because he is the higher rated player?

That is what people are arguing with TheSuperNerd.

Finito.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by elyte89: 6:34am On Oct 24
TheGoodJoe:


TheSuperNerd's argument is that the attributes shows Osimhen as a more complete footballer than Haaland. Despite Haaland rated highly, (to many people, Haaland is the better player) but to TheSuperNerd, Osimhen is better.

Why does TheSuperNerd feel Osimhen is better? Attributes. He went further to list attributes why HE feels Osimhen is the better player.

That is why I use the term preference.

To explain further,

I used Guardiola, Aguero, Gabriel Jesus triangle to buttress the point. I even pointed Riquelme, Ronaldinho, Pellegrini triangle.

The preference is a person feeling one is better. Due to contribution. But, in rating, the general view takes lead.

Many will not compare Mbappe and Osimhen. It is not even up for debate. But, Walter Sabatini is telling you he will pick Osimhen ahead of Mbappe. He gave his reason.

So TheSuperNerd gave his preference to why he feels Osimhen is better. That does not mean TheSuperNerd is saying that the general idea of Haaland being better is wrong.

I don't know how else to say it.

Yekini today is being celebrated as d best striker Nigeria ever had simply because of his goalscoring achievement,WC after many years ,d record is yet to be broken and not oda attributes of a striker...till today,we re still looking for dt player who will break his records and not someone who will break his defensive aspect as a player

30/35years to dis time,haaland and Osimhen would be remembered by dier goalscoring achievements and nothing more ,when d comparison talks rise again,nobody by den would remember deir defensive or oda attribute stat(oda things to b considered are d personal awards/trophies;if any 4 both players).

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by TheGoodJoe(m): 6:39am On Oct 24
elyte89:


Yekini today is being celebrated as d best striker Nigeria ever had simply because of his goalscoring achievement,WC after many years ,d record is yet to be broken and not oda attributes of a striker...till today,we re still looking for dt player who will break his records and not someone who will break his defensive aspect as a player

30/35years to dis time,haaland and Osimhen would be remembered by dier goalscoring achievements and nothing more ,when d comparison talks rise again,nobody by den would remember deir defensive or oda attribute stat(oda things to b considered are d personal awards/trophies;if any 4 both players).



At the moment. That is what you should look at. We don't know if Osimhen's goalscoring will go off the charts in the coming years, which I honestly expect.

To your point.

Goals will be celebrated. However, that is an individual celebration. In the modern game, the team has the most importance.

So you might want to celebrate a player for his individual accolades. That means nothing to the coach. The coach is more interested in how many titles he wins, not how many players carried golden boots.

That is why Manchester City has all players contributing to goals. Team work trumps individual accolades.

I hope you get the point, why some coaches will prefer strikers that offer more than just goal scoring.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by seankafor(m): 6:56am On Oct 24
Ppogbae:
National Stadium, Abuja
Dem still dey use those wooden board?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by PROVERBZ(m): 6:57am On Oct 24
Ppogbae:
National Stadium, Abuja
not recent are they ?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Mujtahida: 6:59am On Oct 24
TheGoodJoe:


TheSuperNerd's argument is that the attributes shows Osimhen as a more complete footballer than Haaland. Despite Haaland rated highly, (to many people, Haaland is the better player) but to TheSuperNerd, Osimhen is better.

Why does TheSuperNerd feel Osimhen is better? Attributes. He went further to list attributes why HE feels Osimhen is the better player.

That is why I use the term preference.

To explain further,

I used Guardiola, Aguero, Gabriel Jesus triangle to buttress the point. I even pointed Riquelme, Ronaldinho, Pellegrini triangle.

The preference is a person feeling one is better. Due to contribution. But, in rating, the general view takes lead.

Many will not compare Mbappe and Osimhen. It is not even up for debate. But, Walter Sabatini is telling you he will pick Osimhen ahead of Mbappe. He gave his reason.

So TheSuperNerd gave his preference to why he feels Osimhen is better. That does not mean TheSuperNerd is saying that the general idea of Haaland being better is wrong.

I don't know how else to say it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Subzero047: 7:52am On Oct 24
Ppogbae:
National Stadium, Abuja

It is not about the tracks, is the grass good?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Pidginwhisper: 8:18am On Oct 24
Subzero047:


It is not about the tracks, is the grass good?
according to what i read, the Grass is first of its kind in Africa and Fifa approved for 2022 WC

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Subzero047: 8:50am On Oct 24
Pidginwhisper:
according to what i read, the Grass is first of its kind in Africa and Fifa approved for 2022 WC

Hmm ok
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by BascoVanVeli(m): 9:16am On Oct 24
Translated from Italian


Gazzetta - Mourinho rejected Osimhen at Tottenham: the Napoli players repeated a sentence of his to charge Victor

24.10.202 107: 50 Editing

Naples football - José Mourinho rejected Victor Osimhen when he led Tottenham. Today's edition of the Gazzetta dello Sport tells this detail, underlining how a phrase of the Portuguese coach has been repeated many times by the Napoli players to further charge Victor.

Osimhen rejected by Mourinho at Tottenham "« If one is afraid of coming to Tottenham because of too much competition, then he cannot play with us ", thoughts and words of José Mourinho who two summers ago" branded "so Victor Osimhen, perplexed in accepting the Spurs proposal risking to to be crushed by the presence of Harry Kane.

Victor chose Naples and hindsight also shows that this was the right environment for his maturation. Indeed we would call it an explosion, because after a difficult first year full of injuries, these first two months have been excellent and the facts speak for themselves: 9 goals in 10 games.

Knowing Victor's pride, his teammates will have repeated that phrase from Mou to load him, to print it in his mind. But in some ways there is none need because the latest version of SuperOsimhen is that of a player always hungry ". Osimhen

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.calcionapoli24.it/rassegna_stampa/gazzetta-mourinho-bocci-osimhen-al-tottenham-i-calciatori-del-napoli-hanno-n498236-amp.html

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by andrewbaba44: 9:46am On Oct 24
BascoVanVeli:
Translated from Italian


Gazzetta - Mourinho rejected Osimhen at Tottenham: the Napoli players repeated a sentence of his to charge Victor

24.10.202 107: 50 Editing

Naples football - José Mourinho rejected Victor Osimhen when he led Tottenham. Today's edition of the Gazzetta dello Sport tells this detail, underlining how a phrase of the Portuguese coach has been repeated many times by the Napoli players to further charge Victor.

Osimhen rejected by Mourinho at Tottenham "« If one is afraid of coming to Tottenham because of too much competition, then he cannot play with us ", thoughts and words of José Mourinho who two summers ago" branded "so Victor Osimhen, perplexed in accepting the Spurs proposal risking to to be crushed by the presence of Harry Kane.

Victor chose Naples and hindsight also shows that this was the right environment for his maturation. Indeed we would call it an explosion, because after a difficult first year full of injuries, these first two months have been excellent and the facts speak for themselves: 9 goals in 10 games.

Knowing Victor's pride, his teammates will have repeated that phrase from Mou to load him, to print it in his mind. But in some ways there is none need because the latest version of SuperOsimhen is that of a player always hungry ". Osimhen

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.calcionapoli24.it/rassegna_stampa/gazzetta-mourinho-bocci-osimhen-al-tottenham-i-calciatori-del-napoli-hanno-n498236-amp.html

I don’t see this as rejecting nah

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by 12large1: 10:01am On Oct 24
Hypothetically speaking, if osimehn scores 20 league goals this season (highly possible) do you think juventus might place a bid for him? It will be great seeing a Nigerian playing for juventus

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Joezinho: 10:03am On Oct 24
Maybe we should just rename this thread , " The Osimhen thread: Dawn of a new Era.."

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Dawn Of A New Era, AFCON 2022 And Qatar 2022 by Strugglingman: 10:14am On Oct 24
Joezinho:
Maybe we should just rename this thread , " The Osimhen thread: Dawn of a new Era.."
bro, if i may ask....whots ur issue with osimhen ?

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