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Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by Ugosample(m): 12:31pm On Mar 31, 2016
agrovick:

Quick question
In a situation where we are food self sufficient and we are able to produce all we consume (technology and the likes) with little or non available for export.
Will the current challenge still be ongoing?

No country can produce all its people can consume. It can NEVER happen. Even China, the world's manufacturing village are heavy importers too.
Just be as productive as possible with what you can produce. That's all

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Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by Ugosample(m): 12:40pm On Mar 31, 2016
neocortex:

Iran had better tighten their forex or those investors will soon wreck Iran. Investors are evil and must be chased out of Nigeria. Sai Baba
What do you think ?
What is this one saying?
Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by agrovick(m): 12:51pm On Mar 31, 2016
Ugosample:


No country can produce all its people can consume. It can NEVER happen. Even China, the world's manufacturing village are heavy importers too.
Just be as productive as possible with what you can produce. That's all
Yea, I know perfection in an economy is impossible but you do know a lot of assumptions are made in economics, so I'm trying to satisfy the curiosity that arose after going through thi thread
Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by Nobody: 12:54pm On Mar 31, 2016
All that was said, this is what caught my attention;

“But a lot will depend on what happens with the currency,” she said. “For now, the opportunity cost of not being there is too high. That could change if the currency situations worsens. It’s definitely a pivotal time.”

This is why we must support the president and refuse the devaluation. There is indeed an opportunity cost of not doing business in Nigeria and it is an opportunity they will not want to miss. Though, a lot of investors already have their capital tied in the economy.
When one pulls out, be sure more will come in and some companies are devising different financial modules to solve this financial crisis. Nigeria is a market they can't afford to jettison. Though, there is a limit in which this can be taking for granted and not long enough before it turns for good

LordVarys:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-30/nigeria-s-promise-turns-to-peril-as-investors-head-for-the-exits
Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by Nobody: 12:58pm On Mar 31, 2016
neocortex:


This is meaningless in the current scheme of things, FG is to borrow billions of dollars to finance budget,
a government that is afraid of debt won't do such.
But I am not surprised by your response, since all you do is rationalise every government policy even
if it is incompatible with the stance of the FG itself.

Yes...they would borrow...it all boils down to my problem with the Nigerian economy.

We have been always reliant on exporting raw materials for sale. Back in the day...it was cash crops, then cash crops and oil, now oil.

Once the prices go down, we have to take loans.

The question is....how far do we want to be reliant on loans. By the ''restrictions''...the government is trying to prevent us from losing forex faster....while at the same time looking for alternative sources of revenue.

And every oil producer is doing it.

If we loosened the restrictions, and devalued the naira....we would drain our forex account and end up with high inflation. What is happening now is the least bad of many terrible alternatives.
Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by Bre(f): 1:00pm On Mar 31, 2016
How convenient for such an article to be published just before Buhari enters the US where they hope to strong-arm him into devaluing the Naira. I do not like Buhari, what he stands for and how he handles Nigeria's internal affairs but I am completely for his stance on not devaluing the currency.

He should take care not to flop on the one thing he has done right so far.
Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by wirinet(m): 1:16pm On Mar 31, 2016
yaki84:




I disagree wih the corruption aspect, corruption didnt send those guys outta nigeria but policies.
do u know foreign investors like investing in nigeria because they know they can cut corners with the help of nigerians fronting for them?
bobo it is the policies that is driving them away not corruption.
corruption thrives in public sector not in private sector.

if u r talking of multiple taxation that isn't corruption but govt policy.
siemens, vodafone, virgin atlantic left because of maybe multiple taxation but not corruption. who r corrupting them or looting their funds?

Yes bad policies discourages foreign investments, but corruption drives big investors from western nations like European countries, the US, Canada, Australia and japan. In these countries anyone caught to have committed a crime abroad is prosecuted and punished back home. The Vodafone guys that bribed ibori had to face the law in their own country. Read up on why Richard branson took his virgin airways out of Nigeria. It was solely due to corruption. Investors can work around bad policies , but it is impossible to work around a corrupt system, unless you participate in the corruption. That is why the Chinese, the Lebanese and the Indians thrive in corrupt environments despite bad policies.

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Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by nextstep(m): 2:05pm On Mar 31, 2016
Real investors are staying, because they know the fundamentals of the country are strong. It's speculators who are fleeing and I say good riddance. They only want to come, make a quick buck, then pull out. They don't actually bring development or real jobs and are the first to flee when there's any sign of trouble. A real investor will stay long term and actually care to see development, in addition to profits

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Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by ttmacoy: 2:24pm On Mar 31, 2016
Is it this same Britain that has been implementing policies against international students?

Please stop blaming foreign countries our issues. If our leaders collected bribes to sabotage our own refineries then blame our leaders and the people who keep voting them in.

I see pros and cons to both devaluing or not devaluing, and tbh we are already feeling the impact of devaluation with high inflation and high cost. But I also get the added impact of devaluation especially as we import so much and our banks owe so much foreign denominated debt.

This is like being between a rock and a hard place as we need foreign investment to help ud build the capabilities which will diversify our foreign earnings, but let's be honest if Ghana implemented policies that prevents foreign companies repatriating their funds, will the likes of glo and Gtbank etc in Ghana be happy?

SLIDEwaxie:
if anybody read the book, 'how Europeans u developed africa' they will understand that these guys used everything they get from Africa to develop their land.

From natural resources to direct cash!

And they still do it today through diplomacy.

They are the ones who pay our foolish politicians to sabotage the refineries since inception just to cart away the crude oil and send back as export, strengthening their economy even when they have no such natural resources.

Britain is crying to make us devalue because they live on tourism with no knwn technology to support their economy. Everybody knows that apart from the high standard of living. And average Briton is a poor man- almost with no savings because the government collects up to 50% tax just to keep breathing. The dollar crunch and the blind eye towards excepting education out of the forex wahala is affecting them.

Do u knw howuch they make via education to the stupid African countries alone? Billions of pounds!

Immediately our govt moved against the dollar, they were the first to feel the heat... They recorded their first low patronage in decades

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Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by Zenlife: 5:04pm On Mar 31, 2016
MiztaSanchez22:
I weap for my couNtry NiGerIa. This was nt d change we al askd 4,
NO LITE,
NO FUEL,
NO MONEY IN D ECONOMY,
PEOPLE LOOSING JOBS EVERIDAY.
Lord pls hear our cry nd save ur 4rm dis heartache.
First tym 2 comment on Nairaland,
Thanks.

Folks seem to forget the more fundamental of these - NO WATER provided. Truth is the Nigerian government provides nothing positive for her citizens. If possible, the Nigerian government and leaders will make her citizens source for the air they breathe.

Why the heck then do you have a president, senate, reps, judiciary. They pay themselves huge salaries for doing absolutely nothing. None of these arms are useful to Nigerians. Thus should be scrapped.

SUGGESTIONS
1. Return to Oba/ chieftaincy rule may be better, e.g. Before the coming of the british and invasion of the Benin kingdom, Benin City was among the 5 greatest cities, prosperous, safest, in the world (greater than US, Europe, China etc). Evidenced by foreign writers and reports. - NO OIL!

OR

2. The 36 states in Nigeria should become independent states (nations), each with their own president etc. Present serving governors could become presidents.

Nigeria is a failed state through 56 years of trial and error. On any practical report card, the score is a BIG FFFFFFFFFF.

Nigeria as a nation cannot and should not continue to exist.

The true change needed is either of the above suggestions or something better, not worse.

The citizens are too fearful, selfish, cowardly and passive.

NO MORE NIGERIA. IT IS A VERY DEAD COUNTRY CRAWLING AND GASPING FOR AIR. DARN/ DAMN IT.

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Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by disloman(m): 5:16pm On Mar 31, 2016
odomanis:


You are talking of developed countries, did you not read that ivory coast,tanzania,kenya have all overtaken us ? The problem is you guys handed over this economy to some clueless APC government who have indulged in pulling us back. We warned you guys but you wouldn't listen. Now it is happening. keep blaming and making excuses !
Can you enlighten us what they did to get to where they are now?
Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by frodobee: 6:12pm On Mar 31, 2016
Quakertellicus1:


Ivory Coast also

1.Has a much smaller population than Nigeria.

2.Has its currency...the CFA franc buffered by France.

3.Has some form of industrial development and export.

4.Also gets lots of cash from the French.

Frodobee :

1. Smaller population. Is that an advantage? *shakes head*
2. (CFA franc) Currency buffered by Euro? *not surprised*
3. Some industrial development? Some abi? After smarting out from war 2008? *I will teach, I will not call you names*
4. Cash from (fada christmas)France? Are you related to Liar Mohmed?


Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by lohresloco: 10:54am On Apr 01, 2016
Basically as it changed from PDP who ruled since 1999 to APCheat, progressive growth has been halted. [quote author=LordVarys post=44269118][/quote]
Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by Xano(m): 9:50am On Apr 02, 2016
LordVarys:


Nigeria’s appeal has faded as the price of oil, source of 90 percent of export earnings, has crashed.[Growth slumped to 2.8 percent last year, the slowest since 1999, and will decelerate to 2 percent in 2016, according to Morgan Stanley. In dollar terms, the economy in 2019 will still be 17 percent smaller than its 2014 peak of $542 billion. Only two years ago, McKinsey & Co. said Nigeria had the potential to grow 7.1 percent annually until 2030 and build a $1.6 trillion economy.
As Nigeria lags, other countries in sub-Saharan Africa have gotten more appealing. Last month, Nigeria fell from first to fourth, behind Ivory Coast, Kenya and Tanzania, in a ranking of business prospects by the research unit of Nielsen Holdings Plc.
Portfolio investors including Aberdeen Asset Management Plc and Ashmore Group Plc, which together oversee about $450 billion of assets, have retreated from Nigerian markets. The main stock index is down 10 percent this year, while the MSCI Frontier Markets Index has lost 2.8 percent. Nigeria’s local-currency bonds are the only ones among 31 emerging markets tracked by Bloomberg to have generated aloss this year. Foreign direct investment this year is set to be the lowest since the 2008-09 global financial crisis, according to data from the central bank.



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-30/nigeria-s-promise-turns-to-peril-as-investors-head-for-the-exits

Companies(some had closed outlets) and employees of these companies(some sacked) are suffering the decisions taken by individuals in this country.
Companies which had closed, have tried, but their losses over several quarters made it unbearable.
When companies and investors leave a country because of lack of confidence in a country's economy, to convince them to return would be hard.

There are young entrepreneurs in Nigeria with marketable ideas, but banks or loan institutions are not enthusiastic. They seek foreign partnerships(technical), but those investors will politely inform them your country's forex policy among others would hinder its growth and sustainability.
It is feasible to give birth to your ideas in another country, like some Nigerians do in other African countries(Ghana, South Africa, Togo, Burkina Faso, Kenya and other Southern African countries)
Re: Nigeria's Promise Turns To Peril As Investors Flee-Bloomberg by Xano(m): 9:55am On Apr 02, 2016
LordVarys:

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Nigeria’s appeal has faded as the price of oil, source of 90 percent of export earnings, has crashed.[Growth slumped to 2.8 percent last year, the slowest since 1999, and will decelerate to 2 percent in 2016, according to Morgan Stanley. In dollar terms, the economy in 2019 will still be 17 percent smaller than its 2014 peak of $542 billion. Only two years ago, McKinsey & Co. said Nigeria had the potential to grow 7.1 percent annually until 2030 and build a $1.6 trillion economy.
As Nigeria lags, other countries in sub-Saharan Africa have gotten more appealing. Last month, Nigeria fell from first to fourth, behind Ivory Coast, Kenya and Tanzania, in a ranking of business prospects by the research unit of Nielsen Holdings Plc.
Portfolio investors including Aberdeen Asset Management Plc and Ashmore Group Plc, which together oversee about $450 billion of assets, have retreated from Nigerian markets. The main stock index is down 10 percent this year, while the MSCI Frontier Markets Index has lost 2.8 percent. Nigeria’s local-currency bonds are the only ones among 31 emerging markets tracked by Bloomberg to have generated aloss this year. Foreign direct investment this year is set to be the lowest since the 2008-09 global financial crisis, according to data from the central bank.
.....

Bruno Witvoet, the Africa President of Unilever, whose Nigerian subsidiary has seen its shares plunge 31 percent since Buhari came to power, said it would be “VERY INSANE” for the country to persist with the currency policies. Nestle SA says its local unit, which has fallen 18 percent in that period, has had to widen the number of banks it uses so that it can access enough foreign exchange.
....

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-30/nigeria-s-promise-turns-to-peril-as-investors-head-for-the-exits

The above quote from the report says a lot about policies implemented in this country.
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