kennygee:

Has?

Quakertellicus1:
Now, before responding I want to issue this caveat

1.) I am not here to attack any tribe or religion.

2). I am not here to insult any one.

Now...on to my post.

a) We were originally told that Ifesinachi Ani left her mother's home after a disagreement, and then converted to Islam afterwards. There was also the insinuation that she had been attending conversion classes...

As her mother put it...


So, in other words....the girl was already in rebellion.

b) The girl's mother claimed to be a widow....yet we were told that...



c) We also have people alleging that the Emir of Zaria took over the girl. Now...I am not a fan of the emir....but this is a man who has tried to keep the peace in Zaria between Christians and Muslims for decades. Infact, the reason why the Sharia riots of 2000 did not reach Zaria was because the man acted to stop his people from attacking settlers/nonindigenes.

At the moment we have no proof that the girl was taken to Zaria....except for a confession from a suspect who may or may not have been lying....to ''protect'' the abducted girl.

d) Ifr truly pressure was mounted on the girl's abductors....why did they take her to Enugu to see her father...who she had had no contact with in four years....why not take her back to Mummy and leave her there with a threat?

The girl was taken to Enugu and was first taken to the Ibo Muslim community there who called the Police. The Police then (RIGHTLY) arrested the guy who brought her there.



Of course....why did Mr Haruna NOT take Ifesinachi to her mother....why the father.?

In my opinion,it was because the girl herself REFUSED to be taken to her mother.....worried about punishment.

My conclusions

1.This is not a case of abduction. However...Mr Ifeanyi and co should be punished for harbouring a minor without the permission of her parents.

2. Ifesinachi and her mother have issues. I am not insulting them. When you bring up teenagers....they are very difficult to bring up. I think that the girl was already in rebellion against her mother...and decided to go off on her own.

3.I find the father's attitude to his daughter's conversion strange. Two theories...either he is a Muslim himself....or he is saying that as a means to spite the mother.

4.That the mother says her ex-husband is dead...when he is alive and well....shows that their split up was not amicable. Something must have gone very wrong for the mother to leave her house and to say her husband is dead . Maybe daddy was abusive or was playing around...I do not know.

5). I think it is high time our National Assembly passed a law that banns the conversion of minors EXCEPT with the written permission of BOTH THE PARENTS AND/OR THE GUARDIANS. (A similar law was attempted in Kaduna State in 1987...and was opposed).


6 Like I said from the begining...the girl was not abducted. Rather...this is a family feud that has gotten out of hand. I can only conclude that as Chirstians we must learn how to bring up teenagers. Teenagers are not the nice little children of four years old who loved mummy with all their heart. They are on the threshold of adulthood. (I recall at 15 realizing that I was going to be in university in two years time...sobering).Wemust evolve strategies to bring them up in the way of our Lord and Father without alienating them.

I have made my point. Good am.

asadike:
Lord Jesus, onto your hands, i commit all my igbo sisters. As for me no alfa abi na muslim weapon fashioned against me shall prosper. Welcome home Ifesinachi. Buhari, jide nti gi aka! warn your uncircumcised brothers o. Our mums no dey born and train girls only for ur people to abduct and defile.

Scholes007:
Hmmm, this is a very ugly situation, the FG should look into it and put some laws in place.

Quakertellicus1:
Now, before responding I want to issue this caveat

1.) I am not here to attack any tribe or religion.

2). I am not here to insult any one.

Now...on to my post.

a) We were originally told that Ifesinachi Ani left her mother's home after a disagreement, and then converted to Islam afterwards. There was also the insinuation that she had been attending conversion classes...

As her mother put it...


So, in other words....the girl was already in rebellion.

b) The girl's mother claimed to be a widow....yet we were told that...



c) We also have people alleging that the Emir of Zaria took over the girl. Now...I am not a fan of the emir....but this is a man who has tried to keep the peace in Zaria between Christians and Muslims for decades. Infact, the reason why the Sharia riots of 2000 did not reach Zaria was because the man acted to stop his people from attacking settlers/nonindigenes.

At the moment we have no proof that the girl was taken to Zaria....except for a confession from a suspect who may or may not have been lying....to ''protect'' the abducted girl.

d) Ifr truly pressure was mounted on the girl's abductors....why did they take her to Enugu to see her father...who she had had no contact with in four years....why not take her back to Mummy and leave her there with a threat?

The girl was taken to Enugu and was first taken to the Ibo Muslim community there who called the Police. The Police then (RIGHTLY) arrested the guy who brought her there.



Of course....why did Mr Haruna NOT take Ifesinachi to her mother....why the father.?

In my opinion,it was because the girl herself REFUSED to be taken to her mother.....worried about punishment.

My conclusions

1.This is not a case of abduction. However...Mr Ifeanyi and co should be punished for harbouring a minor without the permission of her parents.

2. Ifesinachi and her mother have issues. I am not insulting them. When you bring up teenagers....they are very difficult to bring up. I think that the girl was already in rebellion against her mother...and decided to go off on her own.

3.I find the father's attitude to his daughter's conversion strange. Two theories...either he is a Muslim himself....or he is saying that as a means to spite the mother.

4.That the mother says her ex-husband is dead...when he is alive and well....shows that their split up was not amicable. Something must have gone very wrong for the mother to leave her house and to say her husband is dead . Maybe daddy was abusive or was playing around...I do not know.

5). I think it is high time our National Assembly passed a law that banns the conversion of minors EXCEPT with the written permission of BOTH THE PARENTS AND/OR THE GUARDIANS. (A similar law was attempted in Kaduna State in 1987...and was opposed).


6 Like I said from the begining...the girl was not abducted. Rather...this is a family feud that has gotten out of hand. I can only conclude that as Chirstians we must learn how to bring up teenagers. Teenagers are not the nice little children of four years old who loved mummy with all their heart. They are on the threshold of adulthood. (I recall at 15 realizing that I was going to be in university in two years time...sobering).Wemust evolve strategies to bring them up in the way of our Lord and Father without alienating them.

I have made my point. Good am.

Quakertellicus1:
Now, before responding I want to issue this caveat

1.) I am not here to attack any tribe or religion.

2). I am not here to insult any one.

Now...on to my post.

a) We were originally told that Ifesinachi Ani left her mother's home after a disagreement, and then converted to Islam afterwards. There was also the insinuation that she had been attending conversion classes...

As her mother put it...


So, in other words....the girl was already in rebellion.

b) The girl's mother claimed to be a widow....yet we were told that...



c) We also have people alleging that the Emir of Zaria took over the girl. Now...I am not a fan of the emir....but this is a man who has tried to keep the peace in Zaria between Christians and Muslims for decades. Infact, the reason why the Sharia riots of 2000 did not reach Zaria was because the man acted to stop his people from attacking settlers/nonindigenes.

At the moment we have no proof that the girl was taken to Zaria....except for a confession from a suspect who may or may not have been lying....to ''protect'' the abducted girl.

d) Ifr truly pressure was mounted on the girl's abductors....why did they take her to Enugu to see her father...who she had had no contact with in four years....why not take her back to Mummy and leave her there with a threat?

The girl was taken to Enugu and was first taken to the Ibo Muslim community there who called the Police. The Police then (RIGHTLY) arrested the guy who brought her there.



Of course....why did Mr Haruna NOT take Ifesinachi to her mother....why the father.?

In my opinion,it was because the girl herself REFUSED to be taken to her mother.....worried about punishment.

My conclusions

1.This is not a case of abduction. However...Mr Ifeanyi and co should be punished for harbouring a minor without the permission of her parents.

2. Ifesinachi and her mother have issues. I am not insulting them. When you bring up teenagers....they are very difficult to bring up. I think that the girl was already in rebellion against her mother...and decided to go off on her own.

3.I find the father's attitude to his daughter's conversion strange. Two theories...either he is a Muslim himself....or he is saying that as a means to spite the mother.

4.That the mother says her ex-husband is dead...when he is alive and well....shows that their split up was not amicable. Something must have gone very wrong for the mother to leave her house and to say her husband is dead . Maybe daddy was abusive or was playing around...I do not know.

5). I think it is high time our National Assembly passed a law that banns the conversion of minors EXCEPT with the written permission of BOTH THE PARENTS AND/OR THE GUARDIANS. (A similar law was attempted in Kaduna State in 1987...and was opposed).


6 Like I said from the begining...the girl was not abducted. Rather...this is a family feud that has gotten out of hand. I can only conclude that as Chirstians we must learn how to bring up teenagers. Teenagers are not the nice little children of four years old who loved mummy with all their heart. They are on the threshold of adulthood. (I recall at 15 realizing that I was going to be in university in two years time...sobering).Wemust evolve strategies to bring them up in the way of our Lord and Father without alienating them.

I have made my point. Good am.

UmuEri:
The day they shall try this with any of my Niece, that day will mark the end of all the Muslim girls in my area.

If they abduct One, we shall abduct 25.

Useless people

Fourwinds:
i just dey laugh u... D major blame still rest at d feet of d abducted girl.. When i was her age, i hardly see coins. Yet i was disciplined. My parents were of average in terms of income but i no get long throat for other people food or things.. But i had a sister who was opposite.. She only want enjoyment and things free... Though being younger Dan her, she got a boyfriend at her teenage age.. Now if a child knows dat d world is not a bed of roses he or she will take d rite path... Im happy for my decision den when i look back. If her mother sells pure, y cannt she stay with her and struggle on

UmuEri:
The day they shall try this with any of my Niece, that day will mark the end of all the Muslim girls in my area.

If they abduct One, we shall abduct 25.

Useless people

iliyande:


I got your points. But sir, I want to ask you a question.

You mean all Muslim parents are that so good that non of their children will rebel against them and run to a Christian family?

johnel2real:

guy, u get problem o. "I am not this, i am not that", who cares. I think u are a religious fanatic.

And that u wrote this lengthy analysis, Just to convince us the girl was not kidnapped and all, shows that u are really hurt that the perpetrator was caught

Are u an agent of the kidnappers?

if u are then Maybe u should go to the commissioner of police with your fine analysis, he may have a change of heart, then free the man who brought her back, since according to your retarded analysis she was not kidnapped

She just decided to spend some time in kano and zaria just because she has some issues with her mom

Your whole analysis is full of sentiments and assumptions

. Please save urself the trouble, the man is in the police custody now, let the police handle this.

asadike:
O, i don hear. Well trained girl,before u stamp that blame,pray, make u no jam fulani jazz.

neocortex:


You don't fail to disappoint, it is illegal to elope with a minor,
whether he/she agrees to it or not.
It is a pure case of kidnapping.

Mrs. Ani stated: “Last year, September 14, my daughter, Ifesinachi, informed me that she has decided to join the Deeper Life Bible Church. That was very close to the Easter period. She went to the Deeper Life Retreat with­out obtaining my consent, though she left a note for me saying I should pardon her for doing so. I scolded her when she returned for not informing me earlier. I told my pastor about what hap­pened and he cautioned her on her change of attitude to me but asked me to allow her attend Deeper Life. I didn’t want to agree because she is under-aged and moreover, I attend the Redeemed Chris­tian Church of God with every other member of my family. I later allowed her to be attending Deeper Life Bible Church.

Unknown to me, she was not even attending Deeper Life. She was instead, at­tending an Islamic conver­sion class through one Baba Abdul, a Muslim who lives near our residence in Apo Resettlement. When I dis­covered what was happen­ing, I pleaded with the man to leave my child alone, but he refused, insisting that since the girl has begged him to teach her Islamic way of life and religion, he would just do that. When I accosted him, the second time, he said he had asked her (Ifesinachi), to obtain permission from me and that he believed she did that. [size=15pt]It was two days after I accosted the man that the girl ran away from my resi­dence; apparently in con­nivance with the man.[/size]

“Before the time I discov­ered she was attending this Islamic conversion class, I noticed that her character has changed and she was no longer listening to me; she would no longer take my word or advice for anything. It was after she allegedly at­tended the Deeper Life re­treat and returned that I dis­covered she used that as alibi to be attending Baba Abdul’s Islamic teaching classes. I can tell you that her men­tality totally changed that time; she was just behaving abnormally as if something was happening to her. Baba Abdul is from Kogi State and I don’t relate with him, so, why should he take my child and teach her anything?

Icecomrade:



When Ese was kidnapped. Empty brains like you blamed it on poor child upbringing.

The three girls kidnapped in Bauchi, people blamed it on poor child upbringing.

Ifeasinachi is here, all ur dead brain could come up with is rebelliion and poor child upbringing.

This people are diabolic, and I can relate it on personal experience with a close family.

If you think, parents aren't goo enough, the devil will bring it into your family some day.

Akwuya

Mrs. Ani stated: “Last year, September 14, my daughter, Ifesinachi, informed me that she has decided to join the Deeper Life Bible Church. That was very close to the Easter period. She went to the Deeper Life Retreat with­out obtaining my consent, though she left a note for me saying I should pardon her for doing so. I scolded her when she returned for not informing me earlier. I told my pastor about what hap­pened and he cautioned her on her change of attitude to me but asked me to allow her attend Deeper Life. I didn’t want to agree because she is under-aged and moreover, I attend the Redeemed Chris­tian Church of God with every other member of my family. I later allowed her to be attending Deeper Life Bible Church.

Unknown to me, she was not even attending Deeper Life. She was instead, at­tending an Islamic conver­sion class through one Baba Abdul, a Muslim who lives near our residence in Apo Resettlement. When I dis­covered what was happen­ing, I pleaded with the man to leave my child alone, but he refused, insisting that since the girl has begged him to teach her Islamic way of life and religion, he would just do that. When I accosted him, the second time, he said he had asked her (Ifesinachi), to obtain permission from me and that he believed she did that. It was two days after I accosted the man that the girl ran away from my resi­dence; apparently in con­nivance with the man.

“Before the time I discov­ered she was attending this Islamic conversion class, I noticed that her character has changed and she was no longer listening to me; she would no longer take my word or advice for anything.

Quakertellicus1:


Let'sstart with you....you get to be my first!

I addressed Christians specifically because the issue affected a Christian family.

But it goes for Muslims too..

The point most people including you are missing is that bringing up teenage children is not easy. Teenagers rebel and do really out of the way things....including changing their religion to annoy their parents.

Thing is...we better accept we have a teenage problem. Not accepting that is tantamount to disaster. And I speak as a single man seriously considering marriage.

iliyande:


Sorry sir, but my question is yet to be answered

Quakertellicus1:


The answer is there....but you have chosen not to see it.

Good morning...sorry I could not be of help.

iliyande:




Teenage upbringing is difficult, nobody refute that sir but I want you to know that it applies not only the Christians

Quakertellicus1:
Now, before responding I want to issue this caveat

1.) I am not here to attack any tribe or religion.

2). I am not here to insult any one.

Now...on to my post.

a) We were originally told that Ifesinachi Ani left her mother's home after a disagreement, and then converted to Islam afterwards. There was also the insinuation that she had been attending conversion classes...

As her mother put it...


So, in other words....the girl was already in rebellion.

b) The girl's mother claimed to be a widow....yet we were told that...



c) We also have people alleging that the Emir of Zaria took over the girl. Now...I am not a fan of the emir....but this is a man who has tried to keep the peace in Zaria between Christians and Muslims for decades. Infact, the reason why the Sharia riots of 2000 did not reach Zaria was because the man acted to stop his people from attacking settlers/nonindigenes.

At the moment we have no proof that the girl was taken to Zaria....except for a confession from a suspect who may or may not have been lying....to ''protect'' the abducted girl.

d) Ifr truly pressure was mounted on the girl's abductors....why did they take her to Enugu to see her father...who she had had no contact with in four years....why not take her back to Mummy and leave her there with a threat?

The girl was taken to Enugu and was first taken to the Ibo Muslim community there who called the Police. The Police then (RIGHTLY) arrested the guy who brought her there.



Of course....why did Mr Haruna NOT take Ifesinachi to her mother....why the father.?

In my opinion,it was because the girl herself REFUSED to be taken to her mother.....worried about punishment.

My conclusions

1.This is not a case of abduction. However...Mr Ifeanyi and co should be punished for harbouring a minor without the permission of her parents.

2. Ifesinachi and her mother have issues. I am not insulting them. When you bring up teenagers....they are very difficult to bring up. I think that the girl was already in rebellion against her mother...and decided to go off on her own.

3.I find the father's attitude to his daughter's conversion strange. Two theories...either he is a Muslim himself....or he is saying that as a means to spite the mother.

4.That the mother says her ex-husband is dead...when he is alive and well....shows that their split up was not amicable. Something must have gone very wrong for the mother to leave her house and to say her husband is dead . Maybe daddy was abusive or was playing around...I do not know.

5). I think it is high time our National Assembly passed a law that banns the conversion of minors EXCEPT with the written permission of BOTH THE PARENTS AND/OR THE GUARDIANS. (A similar law was attempted in Kaduna State in 1987...and was opposed).


6 Like I said from the begining...the girl was not abducted. Rather...this is a family feud that has gotten out of hand. I can only conclude that as Chirstians we must learn how to bring up teenagers. Teenagers are not the nice little children of four years old who loved mummy with all their heart. They are on the threshold of adulthood. (I recall at 15 realizing that I was going to be in university in two years time...sobering).Wemust evolve strategies to bring them up in the way of our Lord and Father without alienating them.

I have made my point. Good am.

Modified/addendum at 11:50 am

In stating my opinion above, I have received several responses. I am grateful for all of them.

I must also point out that one of my many problems with Nairaland is the way people use abuse as a means to disagree with someone. I am not saying anyone should not disagree with my post....I am saying that you can do that without calling someone empty head or the like.

To those who have wished me ill for making my points....I can only wish you well in return. I know the pain of hurt and loss, and I have learned over the years that forgiveness and love is the best response to any evil situation.

And it is good morning from me.

UmuEri:
The day they shall try this with any of my Niece, that day will mark the end of all the Muslim girls in my area.

If they abduct One, we shall abduct 25.

Useless people

NaWetinDey:



Shut up, child! You have made no point.
Children can be as rebellious as they come but that does not grant any institution any rights to abduct, or even agree with, a child to leave her parents without their consent, go with them and convert into any religion. Those holding her are as guilty as satan himself.

1.This is not a case of abduction. However...Mr Ifeanyi and co should be punished for harbouring a minor without the permission of her parents.

gidjah:
My observations; Christian parents won't always stop falling hands,most of our Christian parents are total failure when it comes to children up bringing!! That's the bitter truth. Your child,right under you can not dress decently and coordinate her slf maturely, they are free to go any where they like and without proper parental check
They can watch any junk from media channels without parental control, parents are always too busy to monitor their kids because they are too foolishly busy with businesses that will finally come to ruins in the hands of that same child they seem to be gathering for!!.Most southern parents are just guilty of this and many more. When mama okpa can't take care of her own daughter, why won't a Islamic lead er do it for her and in turn lure her in to what ever he wants ......the parents of ESE failed,the parents of this same child too failed big time!!,let's face it tru that angle first before looking in to it from another angle.until we remove the log from our own big oppolo eyes!,we are not justified to check out the spec from another persons own o.(ABEG, I BE CHRISTIAN LIKE U TOO, NOTHING DEY HAPPEN .

Now...on to my post.

a) We were originally told that Ifesinachi Ani left her mother's home after a disagreement, and then converted to Islam afterwards. There was also the insinuation that she had been attending conversion classes...
So, in other words....the girl was already in rebellion.

Osyabj:
......

Quakertellicus1:


Of course...it was wrong for the girl to run away from home..and it was wrong for the chap who took her to Enugu to take her there without her parents consent.

But thanks for your post. Full of good food for thought.

I guess more people are interested in what political and ethinc capital can be made from the abduction than they are about the girls themselves.

UmuEri:
The day they shall try this with any of my Niece, that day will mark the end of all the Muslim girls in my area.

If they abduct One, we shall abduct 25.

Useless people