mightyhazel:
but yorubaland can be used as launchground to attack igboland


The major aggressors can sit in ikoyi and marshall forces to attack enugu witout as much as a protest 4m yoruba,..


But dey(yorubas) can immediately activate and join forces as soon as biafra launch attacks to seize the northern invaders holed up in lagos

MasterofNL:
Interestingly he always separated Lagos from Western Nigeria.

[size=16pt]Western Region and Lagos[/size]

bloodyBLOGGER:
protesting for the igbos is like taking panadol for another man's headache. E no concern us.

why bomb Lagos when you had Kano and sokoto available for such?

And why did you have to invade Midwest?

gidgiddy:


What you wrote actually goes to confirm Awolowos cowardice. There were 36,000 Soldiers of Northern extraction in the SW? This number is debatable because I read somewhere that before the war, there were less than 10,000 Soldiers in the whole country. But even if this was true. It would be a shame to the Yoruba people that numbered in their millions that they allowed themselves to be held hostage in their own land because they were afraid to die. So Awolowo quickly accepted 'one Nigeria' from the northerners in other to safeguard the lives of his people? What a sweet way of masking cowardice. This would be unacceptable to us Igbos. Ojukwu kicked out all the northern Soldiers in the East and declared his people free. War followed, we fought hard, it did not work out but no shame. We can always say we gave it a good fight but in life, you win some and you lose some. Awolowo on ther hand will always be remembered for throwing away Yoruba sovereinghty and selling his Yoruba nation down the river of northern slavery. To my dying day, I will never understand the logic of Awolowo the Yoruba man who could not fight for his sovereinghty but will criticise Ojukwu and the Igbos who could.

gidgiddy:


What you wrote actually goes to confirm Awolowos cowardice.

Only from your jaundiced premise but in saner clime, it will be termed, "diplomacy".



There were 36,000 Soldiers of Northern extraction in the SW? This number is debatable because I read somewhere that before the war, there were less than 10,000 Soldiers in the whole country. But even if this was true. It would be a shame to the Yoruba people that numbered in their millions that they allowed themselves to be held hostage in their own land because they were afraid to die.

The figures quoted by the old sage was truly exaggerated but then he can be excused afterall, he's only a politician and not a military personnel but the bottom line is that his homeland in One nigeria is under "o ccupation" by unstable and trigger-happy northern soldiers who were baying for blood after ibos have slaughter their leaders. So because , they were millions of yoruba about, Awo should have sacrificed 3million of them and for what, exactly? Only for ojukwu to eventually occupy the same yorubaland under the guise of his Biafran Liberation Front? Either way, yorubaland will still be "occupied" by the north or the east as at that particular moment in our chequered history, we were not in a position to fight for our sovereignty.



So Awolowo quickly accepted 'one Nigeria' from the northerners in other to safeguard the lives of his people? What a sweet way of masking cowardice. This would be unacceptable to us Igbos.


Not so quick! It was long after Ojukwu had dropped bombs on yorubaland killing innocent yoruba people, long after ojukwu had occupied the mid-west region, imposing his own puppet on the people and then subsequently bearing down onto yorubaland with his unsolicited rescue team.



Ojukwu kicked out all the northern Soldiers in the East and declared his people free.

And where was the old sage whilst ojukwu was accomplishing his heroic deeds? How many northern soldiers were in the east then compared with the figures of those in Abeokuta and Lagos garrisons?



War followed, we fought hard, it did not work out but no shame. We can always say we gave it a good fight but in life, you win some and you lose some.



But the war could have been avoided and 3 million innocent nigerian souls would have been saved. It was a colossal waste of both human and natural resources, most especially human, of the young nation. With a little compromise here and there, the war could be been avoided but ojukwu was unyielding. He had been preparing for that war, according to him , for the best part of a year that he now believes he has the "BEST army in black africa" and therefore not fighting from the position of the "underdog". By jove! ojukwu was going to have HIS war and he made sure gambled his people's lives, gratuitously for his war.



Awolowo on ther hand will always be remembered for throwing away Yoruba sovereinghty and selling his Yoruba nation down the river of northern slavery. To my dying day, I will never understand the logic of Awolowo the Yoruba man who could not fight for his sovereinghty but will criticise Ojukwu and the Igbos who could.

And what sovereignty are you guys always talking about? Could that be that of a sovereign yorubaland but under the unsolicited "protection-cum-occupation" of/by Ojukwu's BLF?

And by the way, no one says you can't break away but don't bring your war to our shores.

you mean he had an ally in the same ojukwu who took his army and match to awolow's region and even bombed agege area of Lagos?
Who would want an ally in a man who fled from the war abandoning his people to die?
only a fool goes onto a war he is not prepared for

the north had their men mostly dominating the military with the remainder being ibos. So, the north didn't need any groundnut to fight a war

holding a naked wire with bate teeth is what fools like you call bravery, while being tactful is cowards. The same ojukwu lost the war he shouldn't have fought and still came back to do a lot of asslickingg by contesting for presidency in the same country he detest. shame

the reason you don't blame him is the same reason why you people are still protesting and whining about the war. You exempt an ojukwu that fled and abandoned you in war only to blame an awolowo that fed you in war

...lol @ he escaped as any soldier is to do in a hopeless situation.

you ate even celebrating him for dragging you folks into a hopeless situation.

mind you, a true soldier doesn't flee from battle; only cowards do. The freak even dressed like a woman just to evade being recognised

ojukwu's memory ought to be obliterated

mightyhazel:
but yorubaland can be used as launchground to attack igboland


The major aggressors can sit in ikoyi and marshall forces to attack enugu witout as much as a protest 4m yoruba,..


But dey(yorubas) can immediately activate and join forces as soon as biafra launch attacks to seize the northern invaders holed up in lagos

T9ksy:




And who are the ones launching ground attacks on iboland?

And who the ones sitting in ikoyi to plan attacks on iboland?

The same northerners who obviously comes from the northern part of the country and whom the ibos were fighting but chose to fight in yorubaland.

Noneroone:
Cc Ooni whats your opinion?

T9ksy:



So, for him to exude any form of "courage" in your opinion, he ought to have sent his vulnerable people on an uprising that he knows they clearly are not prepared for and will ultimately lead to "making a monuments of his people" all over their ancestral land?

Like i said, that was what Ojukwu had in mind for the yorubas but thankfully Awo saw through his deceit and maturely and cleverly avoided the bait.

What will have been the fate of yorubaland had Awo reacted as ojukwu strategised and launch an uprising in western region and Lagos which were both under occupation by well armed, blood-thirsty and vengeful northern soldiers? It's not rocket science. Clearly, the northern soldiers stationed in the region would have gone on a shooting spree creating a bloodbath in the land. Ojukwu's BLF would have then, after having already occupied the mid-west region conduct a mop -up operation in the land and effectively placing the whole of southern nigeria including Lagos, under his control.


most likely, the 3million lost souls you lot are fond of branding about the whole place now would be yorubas and even at that , they will still be under occupation .................. by ojukwu and his ibo people.

Alokendra:

Sovereignty my foot! Who told you Yoruba was interested in going to war in the first place. You goats still don't get it. It was your battle not ours. Your ways are not our ways. If you yeeboes believe in using your people as pawns, that's your fvcking problem. Yoruba wasn't at war with anybody. You only wanted to drag Yoruba into it so that the war can fought in Yoruba land. The same scenario is playing out today by wanting to drag the S'S into your phantom Biafra.

Ojukwu was a greedy fellow. The war wasn't about sovereigninty, it never was. It was about controlling the oil in the Minority regions. Yeeboes and FG fought for oil, and the FG won. That's the simple truth! So cry us a river son. Your problem is your problem; every attempt to lure us into it would be resisted fiercely. If you have an Axe to grind with the Abokis, go slug it out with them.

pchukwudi:


The oil had absolutely nothing to do with the declaration of Biafra. Your father lied to you or your history teacher was a nut case.

mightyhazel:
ofcourse the war would have been averted obviously,had igboland been left uninvaded. Or they also told u ojukwu fired the first shots?? U see a man being attacked and fighting off invaders and ur saying he should avoid a cnflict? By how again?

Placing his neck on a slab for a determined butcher??
U guys wear som1 out wit dese back n forth I swear!

pchukwudi:
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Young man, you are simply trying to interprete history from your current perspective without due regards to historic facts. You simply have no grasp of the facts. And your speculations do not appear so logical to me.

For starters, here are some facts and thoughts to ponder:

1. Contrary to your insinuation, the yorubas were not neutral during the war.

2. Lots of Yoruba soldiers fought on the Nigeria side, while some fought on the Biafra side.

3. The actual reason Yorubas did not alley with the easteners enmass was because of hate politics spread in the west in pre-67 elections, where akintola portrayed yorubas as economic victims to igbos whom he claimed dominated comnerce in lagos. He conviniently blamed this false yoruba victimization narative on Awolowo, who obviously was pro igbo at the time.

4. When akintola was killed during the coupe Awolowo had his chance to steer the west in the right direction but he had not the guts.

5. If the yorubas had solidly stood with the igbos on ojukwu's demands the north would not have had the morale to go into the war considering that the midwestern region was also a willing alley to the eastern region.

This is my last on this discurse.

pchukwudi:
[s][/s]

Young man, you are simply trying to interprete history from your current perspective without due regards to historic facts. You simply have no grasp of the facts. And your speculations do not appear so logical to me.

For starters, here are some facts and thoughts to ponder:

1. Contrary to your insinuation, the yorubas were not neutral during the war.

2. Lots of Yoruba soldiers fought on the Nigeria side, while some fought on the Biafra side.

3. The actual reason Yorubas did not alley with the easteners enmass was because of hate politics spread in the west in pre-67 elections, where akintola portrayed yorubas as economic victims to igbos whom he claimed dominated comnerce in lagos. He conviniently blamed this false yoruba victimization narative on Awolowo, who obviously was pro igbo at the time.

4. When akintola was killed during the coupe Awolowo had his chance to steer the west in the right direction but he had not the guts.

5. If the yorubas had solidly stood with the igbos on ojukwu's demands the north would not have had the morale to go into the war considering that the midwestern region was also a willing alley to the eastern region.

This is my last on this discurse.

Volksfuhrer:


Pure Nonsense!

Yorubas were neutral until Biafra attacked the West.

Yorubas saw Akintola as a traitor. Akintola's rants didn't sway Yorubas' perception of him as a traitor.

Guts alone do not win wars, good planning and solid preparation do. Didn't Awolowo warn Ojukwu that the West wasn't prepared for war? (Hilary Njoku, A Tragedy Without Heroes, p.141).

Stop blaming Yorubas for Biafra's defeat, it is stale and empty.

mightyhazel:
which propaganda machine u talking about?
I hate 2 engage in tribal e bashing,..but does this letter not suggest how slimy/sneaky the average yorubas are?
Who in his right senses would ever have thot that the author of this letter wud in a matter of days join forces of oppression against the east?

U want to tell me he changed his mind in a matter of days to support the greatest genocide that has ever happened in africa? No! This 'sage' knew all along what he was doin... He gave the relatively much younger and less experienced( less sneaky) ojukwu a false sense of hope that the yorubas will never join hands in the event of a war to annihilate his ppl. He even went further to say that if things deteriorated further and east secceeded,yorubas will follow suit! Talk of backstabbing!
This man wud av just kept his silence or berra still taken a harder/threathening stand against the biafran movt as at that time.
Ojukwu wud hav taken berra judgement at the time,...obviouslyhe reckoned only on fighting the northern elements,bearing in mind dat yorubas wud at best remain neutral in the conflict. Talk of luring a friend out in the bush and hacking him to death!

T9ksy:









Despite the knowledge of such incontrovertible fact, most especially the above-bolded portion above, you guys still persist, like a clone, in maliciously, erroneously and impishly tagging the old sage, a "coward" and even extending this clearly false tag to the entire yoruba race - a group of people who at one time in their past history had been able to fashion an empire as big as the Oyo empire!

but then maybe, just maybe that was what Ojukwu had in mind for the people he's supposedly going into a military alliance with - "monuments all over the place" (yorubaland), for his Biafran Liberation Front to rescue?

mightyhazel:
nobody asked for protests mister! But if u cud keep quiet and let ur house be used as a launchground 2 attack me,don't feel I am aggressive if I find d attacker 2 ur house. Simple logic! Wot wud biafran forces be doin in kano wen dia attackers were in lagos? ...

Y invade the midwest?
Midwest is enroute lagos from the east. It was bound 2 be marched upon in the quest 2 smoke out the vandals holed up in lagos . Biafran high command tried to make the movement v swift and with minimal damage,but for victor banjo's sabotage ,which made d quest drag longer than necessary ..,with the attendant frictions and casualties..

Olabestonic001:


Made it swift by decimating people in Ore right? Forget your logic. Yoruba's were in no way prepared for a war in which Ojukwu was very very prepared for. Awo saved Yoruba's from genocide from Hausa's and Igbo's and ended up positioning his people for a say in Nigeria history. Call it any name bcoz it doesn't favor you but Yoruba's are not know to be confrotational but one who can deal a massive blow should they be looked down on.

Olabestonic001:


And do you know history?
Did Yoruba's ever joined without an incursion into her territory? Was it not the incursion and the fact that Yoruba's were not militarily ready for Ojukwu's incursion that let to Awo's desires to end the war so that his people would not be like the people of the mid-west? Was Ore not a theater of war before Awo gave his advice that only with a change of currencies can help save his people from being consumed by the cross-fire? Unless you are damned mischievous will you think Awo should have allowed Yoruba's to be slaughtered by both obviously aggrieved gladiators before he decided to take a side. Maybe if an holocaust which Ojukwu was bent on unleashing on all those who did not take his side in the Civil War and which Gowon's Army unleashed on Delta indigenes had taken place,folks like you would have gleefully bragged about it.
Hear this today: every national entity always does its best for its survival and the only way Yoruba's would have survived the gory of the Civil war in the face of the marching Biafra army that massacred those resisting her in Benin was for Awo to advice a change in currency to cripple such an audacious militants. Sorry, if the same scenario repeats itself and the Yoruba's are in danger of an holocaust, we'll do it over and over again.

MasterofNL:
Interestingly he always separated Lagos from Western Nigeria.

[size=16pt]Western Region and Lagos[/size]

ihitenansa:
you just depicted an opportunistic tribe mr!

So yorubas are not confrontational,...and they knw how to sweet talk demselves to a neutral corner till action starts.

Then they can swiftly move in,taking sides with any side dat looks as tho they could win.
Dats not a v noble depiction!

ihitenansa:
you just depicted an opportunistic tribe mr!

So yorubas are not confrontational,...and they knw how to sweet talk demselves to a neutral corner till action starts.

Then they can swiftly move in,taking sides with any side dat looks as tho they could win.
Dats not a v noble depiction!

Olabestonic001:


Oh, noble my foot!
America was neutral during WW2 till she was provoked and it used the advantage of all parties being wearied in Europe to claim victory. Certainly, it seems most of you guys mistook War for Battle.
Battle is how brave and mighty you are, War is how tactical and maneuvering you are. Definitely, the Igbo's have guts and bravery in no small quantity and are good for Battles but tactics is obviously alien to the Igbo race and I can say they've not (and might NEVER learn) the Art of War.

ihitenansa:
lol! Evry1 knows how maneuvering and manipulative yorubas are,but coming out to paint noble and harmless pictures of themselves is actually a rile up on ppls intelligence. Ofcourse ur cunning nature is well known to evry1. America joined the war to defeat an oppressive force. Nazi forces were occupying hapless countries and forming concentration camps all over,...killing and oppressing jews and. Other nationalities.

The nigerian scenerio was an exact opposite!

The opportunistic yorubas witnessed what befell the igbos in the country right from 1966 jan military reprisal killings/pogroms on inncent populations,...to the start of hostilities proper. Their sage awolowo gave deceptive and misleading speeches of solidarity,..only for them 2 waitin the wings to weigh who is likely to win,b4 shamelessly pouncing on an already traumatised but studious populations in the east!

Just so that theycan position themselves well to milk the country afterwards!

My friend never again in ur life compare ur actions and motives during the civil war with the noble ones of america during the world war.









So u don't appear like a v daft circus clown

Alokendra:

Sovereignty my foot! Who told you Yoruba was interested in going to war in the first place. You goats still don't get it. It was your battle not ours. Your ways are not our ways. If you yeeboes believe in using your people as pawns, that's your fvcking problem. Yoruba wasn't at war with anybody. You only wanted to drag Yoruba into it so that the war can fought in Yoruba land. The same scenario is playing out today by wanting to drag the S'S into your phantom Biafra.

Ojukwu was a greedy fellow. The war wasn't about sovereigninty, it never was. It was about controlling the oil in the Minority regions. Yeeboes and FG fought for oil, and the FG won. That's the simple truth! So cry us a river son. Your problem is your problem; every attempt to lure us into it would be resisted fiercely. If you have an Axe to grind with the Abokis, go slug it out with them.