Geofavor:
Err,,,, *prostrates for the bosses* can I come in?

johnydon22:

The door is wider than infiniti + 1

Geofavor:

johnydon22:


You see here is where the problem is, is the (0) really nothing? (Though is this case i am forgoing the ability of energy to be an uncreated value)

If V,T,E,M= 0 in this mathematical calories 0 is still greater than -1 -2 ...... till -infiniti therefore 0 remains something.

The matter remains that on the virtue of it's existentiality it becomes a 'something'... so for 'nothing' to exist then 'nothing' must become something ... the sheer presumption for the existence of 'nothing' nullifies nothing in itself.

In that case i was painting a broader picture and even more larger boundless containment for not just "a universe" but rather "universes"..... A multiverse.

Space/time for our universe began at a given point and even there was no time before then for one to ask for a time before our universe would be like asking for the edge of the earth which is improbable since the earth is spherical therefore cannot have an edge.

So if time began at a certain point of instance in our universe then there cannot be such a thing as "time before the universe" since there was no time at all.

To reconcile this i'd then have to assume as a universal dimension becomes subjective to distinct universes limited within their containment with yet then a timeless inter-universal infinite void between them

johnydon22:
Pdizzle you are also invited to join us

dorox:


The empty set {} I talked about is the absolute zero which is very different from the relative zero you gave in your example that can be thought of as an arbitrary center chosen to represent lower or more negative value to the left of it and higher or more positive value to the right of it. One good example of the contrast between a relative zero (0) and an absolute zero is the Celsius and the Kelvin which are units for measuring temperature. 0°C which is a measure of the energy state of atoms at the freezing point of water does not imply that a lower energy state cannot be reached, so it makes sense to have -ve°C whenever the energy state falls below the freezing point of water.But for 0 kelvin which is the absute zero state of a body with no energy there is no sense in talking about -ve kelvin.

This I think is just an unnecessary over complication of the fact that when something has absolutely nothing, we call it nothing.

Some interesting stuff here that I'm in broad agreement with though from a religious point of view.
Nice thread by the way, I have always been fascinated by science.

joseph1013:
Good to be here. Cosmology could be mystifying, and fascinating at the same time.

Let me ask: How do we quantize gravity?

and in what ways can humans use this information?

johnydon22:


elaborate brother. . . break it down

We have no idea yet still that's why it's called 'Dark matter'

a kind of matter that is still elusive to our understanding mainly for the fact that we can't even see it.

Many ways... every scientific information can be utilized for our tech.

johnydon22:


These are based on observed facts...

example: You are used to the notion of Cause and Effect but in a quantum field particles has been observed to pop in and out of existence without any influence or cause.

You are familiar with the first law of motion: A body at rest will continue at rest and a body in motion will continue in motion at a given direction and speed unless acted upon by an external force but in the quantum world subatomic particles has been found can be induced to speed up almost to the speed of light all by themselves without any external force added.

And also Quantum entanglement, Two particles at very long distance from each other behaving like it's just one particle in two places. . . Information are passed between them faster than the speed of light that when you make one particle spin at a given direction instantaneously the other does the same.

The laws of Physics you are familiar with in this macro state are all turned upside down, man still cannot place his hand on the quantum laws (how things should happen) that govern the microbile world.

I told someone the other day maybe we are used to how things should be done that we are always looking for 'how things should be done' therefore making some eventualities elusive to us, what if the only laws of the quantum state is 'there are no law' then we will spend eternity searching for laws that are not there.

well fingers crossed we can always not know what we'd find the more we look

ValentineMary:
Hy guys I have been thinking what if the universe is just like an atom compared to some other organism out there

ValentineMary:
Hy guys I have been thinking what if the universe is just like an atom compared to some other organism out there

Geofavor:
.. For this to hold true, first, there must be some other universe which is ridiculously bigger than ours (like a football to a dust particle). That gargantuan universe would be the one housing this giant aliens. However, if you're familiar with the concept of the multiverse, you'll know that the universe simply replicates itself. Which means any other universe out there would be of the same size as ours. Hence, the existence of an organism bigger than our universe isn't feasible.

Universe replicating itself never heard of it. Pls explain. Thanks

joseph1013:


Some have argued that since everything else is subject to quantum mechanics hence gravity should also be the same otherwise many inconsistencies will develop. I am just wondering how we can go about quantizing it.

Can you elaborate on specific use to which we have been able to put this information into use?

johnydon22:
Let me also invite a friend to join our forum. . Cc. UyiIredia ... Come and Join us, we entertain any questions based on your view of the cosmos, questions on astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology and philosophical questions. .

UyiIredia:


I'm flattered that you'd call me but I'm sorry I won't be contributing because I'm not interested in the topic. Hopefully I will contribute on another thread of yours some other time.

joseph1013:
I just finished reading Elon Musk's interesting words in this article: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11837608/elon-musk-simulation-argument

In summary, he concludes that the 21st century humans are living in a simulation environment developed by post humans who have undergone very advanced civilizations.

What do you think?

joseph1013:
Good to be here. Cosmology could be mystifying, and fascinating at the same time.

Let me ask: How do we quantize gravity? Also, what exactly is Dark Matter and in what ways can humans use this information?

Teempakguy:

To the best of my knowledge,


We can quantize gravity by finding the mediator of gravity. namely the elusive graviton, and then study its properties. it is in the study of those properties that we can determine if gravity is quantized or not. already, we can detect gravitational waves. in the history of science, we usually discover the waves before the particles. so I'm guessing we're taking steps in the right direction.


Dark matter is matter that . . . to the best of our knowledge, only interacts with gravitons. you can't see it, you can't detect it with any method known to science at this point. EXCEPT by means of gravity.

joseph1013:
I just finished reading Elon Musk's interesting words in this article: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11837608/elon-musk-simulation-argument

In summary, he concludes that the 21st century humans are living in a simulation environment developed by post humans who have undergone very advanced civilizations.

What do you think?

johnydon22:


That is a rather radical conspiracy if you ask me, first it would be that everything we are, will be or ever will be is but a programme running in a kind of advanced OS, our reality more or less a mirage in a simulation.

That then appeals to reason that these post humans must be lurking somewhere elusive to this simulating reality watching us like some 3D characters on their made 3D simulators.

More like we are the characters in a video game.

Through out the course of human history, radical ideas and thoughts and scary 'what if's' has bugged us, still bug us and forever will.

As radical as this idea is let us not readily dismiss it as an invalid argument, but such a radical leap must be based on something substantial.

In this case i suggest Musk break us out from the Matrix as Morpheus broke Neo out and then try telling us this story again.

It is an interesting theory that of course can never(?) be proven. Throughout history people have used the technology of the day as a way of explaining the unknown. "Fire gods" explained shooting stars. "The earth rotates around the sun like a gear box" explained the solar system. "Our brains are like computers." is what they said in the 70s and 80s.

Now that we can create Sims it gives us solace that we have another way to explain reality. We don't like to not know things so we creatively apply what we know to help us understand the unknown.

Then again, I could have been programmed to say that by the 12 year old who is playing this sim.

It's an interesting (and fun) philosophical
conversation.

But, at some point, my pragmatism kicks in and I think, "So? So what if it is a simulation? Even if there were any objective way to know......what net effect does that have on my life if it is? Don't I still have to buy milk today either way?"

joseph1013:
I just finished reading Elon Musk's interesting words in this article: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11837608/elon-musk-simulation-argument

In summary, he concludes that the 21st century humans are living in a simulation environment developed by post humans who have undergone very advanced civilizations.

What do you think?

Teempakguy:

To the best of my knowledge,


We can quantize gravity by finding the mediator of gravity. namely the elusive graviton, and then study its properties. it is in the study of those properties that we can determine if gravity is quantized or not. already, we can detect gravitational waves. in the history of science, we usually discover the waves before the particles. so I'm guessing we're taking steps in the right direction.


Dark matter is matter that . . . to the best of our knowledge, only interacts with gravitons. you can't see it, you can't detect it with any method known to science at this point. EXCEPT by means of gravity.

Booyakasha:


Cool..

Btw YOU'VE BEEN IN NANDA PABART FOR TOO LONG YOU FORGOT EVERYTHING!!! EVEN YOUR FRIENDS...

We've actually finished building her, she'll be up this evening