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paul Grundys story: how i obtained my personal files from Bethel by paulGrundy(m): 8:54pm On Jun 01, 2016
How I Obtained my Personal Files from Bethel

The Watchtower Society collects and stores a variety of records regarding its followers, which are retained even after a member requests to be no longer considered a Jehovah’s Witness.

Included are publisher report cards, pioneer applications, and letters to the body of elders when a person moves congregation. In particular, records of judicial committee cases are stored regarding the investigation and discipline of "sin."


pioneer application




publisher report card


notification of disfellowshiping

This account is divided into two parts. The first details the lengthy process I undertook to gain access to my personal records from Bethel, including scans of the legal correspondence. The second part includes scans of the information Bethel holds on file, with a brief description of the background behind each form or letter.

The laws drawn upon in this article are specific to Australia and the Australian Privacy Act 1988, and may not apply in other countries.
Process to Obtain Files

In 2006, I sent a letter to Bethel requesting all records that the Watchtower held about me. The Australian Privacy Act 1988 states a person has the right to request any information relating to themselves, in order to verify the accuracy of the information. Vincent Toole, the Watchtower lawyer for Australia, responded in writing that the Watchtower Society is not subject to the Privacy Act. It took three years, but in the end the Privacy Commissioner found that Watchtower is subject to the Australian Privacy Act 1988, and they were required to release my documents.

It needs to be noted that I was only able to receive copies, and the originals are still stored by the Watchtower Corporation. I was advised by the office of the Privacy Commissioner that if any information appeared incorrect, then it would require lodging a separate request for that information to be destroyed.


2006 request to bethel for information to provide documents.


2006 refusal of the request.

There was no explanation as to why the Watchtower was not covered by the Privacy Act. I rang Vincent but as he refused to divulge the reasoning I advised him that I would refer the case to the Australian Privacy Commissioner. A representative for the Privacy Commissioner spoke to Vincent, who explained they are not covered because they do not have over $3 million turnover (one of the requirements to fall under the Act) and signed a Statutory Declaration to that affect. On this basis the Privacy Commissioner closed the case.

I was fairly certain the Australia branch of the Watchtower turned over $3 million per year so purchased the 2005 financial report for the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Australia from ASIC (Australian Securities & Investments Commission). This showed annual turnover of $16 million. I conveyed this to the Privacy Commissioner, prompting them to reopen the case.
Re: paul Grundys story: how i obtained my personal files from Bethel by paulGrundy(m): 9:25pm On Jun 01, 2016

2005 watchtower income statement Australia.


2005 watchtower balance sheet Australia

The Watchtower responded that they do not fall under the $3 million turnover requirement, on the basis that the $16 million is mostly unsolicited donations. They quoted the taxation definition that turnover does not include donations for tax purposes. The Privacy Commissioner argued that the law was written to encompass the broader meaning of turnover to include donations.

The Privacy Commissioner was reluctant to pursue the case without absolute certainty of the correct rendering of the law, as they expected the Watchtower would drag it through the courts and they did not want to incur the substantial cost without being certain of winning. They were also conscious that this case set a precedent that affects all Australian religions and charities. This resulted in a 3-year period with both the Watchtower and the Privacy Commissioner involving external lawyers to determine the definition of turnover.

In 2009, after a period of 3 years, the Commissioner received legal advice that for a certainty the definition of turnover in the Privacy Act was intended to include donations. They wrote back to the Watchtower Society once again demanding they hand over my documents.

To the surprise of the Privacy Commission and myself, the Watchtower conceded and sent a letter to the Commissioner that they would be posting me my documents. I requested from the Commissioner a copy of the letter, but the Watchtower specifically stated in the letter that I am not to be given a copy. To get a copy I would need to send a request to the Privacy Commission, after which they can determine if I am legally entitled to see it. I chose not to do so.

Shortly thereafter, I received a covering letter and corresponding documents from Bethel. The documents are somewhat incomplete, missing my extensive Bethel application and Vow of Poverty. Also missing are details of a judicial committee meeting I had attended that resulted in my being "publicly reproved". It was nevertheless surprising to receive the package and see the amount of information that is being stored. They range from mundane, such as handwritten letters of recommendation and report slips, to highly detailed when outlining the process to disfellowship me.

Although the Watchtower conceded by their action of handing over my documents that the Privacy Act applies to them, by reaching conciliation they avoided the court process and hence is possible no legal precedence has been set.


2009 watchtower letter providing documentation.


2009 privacy commisioner closing completed case
Re: paul Grundys story: how i obtained my personal files from Bethel by Joagbaje(m): 10:53pm On Jun 01, 2016
wow, never knew you're a real person. thought its just a monicker
Re: paul Grundys story: how i obtained my personal files from Bethel by pacino26(m): 11:03pm On Jun 01, 2016
Joagbaje:

wow, never knew you're a real person. thought its just a monicker

Think I've no reason to doubt his arguments bout JW. Only wished I had known him earlier to help liberate a friend.
Re: paul Grundys story: how i obtained my personal files from Bethel by Tellemall: 11:17pm On Jun 01, 2016
Paul Grundy, I can't believe you aren't related to Solomon Grundy(it's in poor taste, but I really couldn't help it). So it's a real name after all.

Take a deep breath and relax.

You seem very bitter/hurt with the Jehovah Witness Organization, especially the Watchtower. I'm not sure if you're still a Christian, but if you are, you need to forgive and leave vengeance to the Lord.

The reason you find yourself with such documentation is because you were in an organization of men run by men. I hardly see the difference between Scientology, Catholicism and JW.

On the other hand, all these things happened to you under the Australian division. Except to expose a supposed fraud, there's precious little it does for Nigerian people reading it.

You need to let your flames burn for something better than hatred for an organization. It must be sad and angering to discover you wasted many years on somebody else's dream, but you need to let it go. Don't let your decades old baptism go to waste (29 years is long) on people who will be judged anyway. Jesus loves you more than your grudge with the Watchtower.

I can now see the reason for some of your posts.
Re: paul Grundys story: how i obtained my personal files from Bethel by paulGrundy(m): 8:06am On Jun 02, 2016
Joagbaje:

wow, never knew you're a real person. thought its just a monicker

Am not jwfacts.com paul Grundy, I just used his name as a monicker on nairaland so that I can promote his articles. Am not Yooguyz either.
Re: paul Grundys story: how i obtained my personal files from Bethel by Joagbaje(m): 9:28am On Jun 02, 2016
paulGrundy:


Am not jwfacts.com paul Grundy, I just used his name as a monicker on nairaland so that I can promote his articles. Am not Yooguyz either.

May I ask where you're from ? The documents above and names don't look Nigerian
Re: paul Grundys story: how i obtained my personal files from Bethel by paulGrundy(m): 8:42pm On Jun 02, 2016
Joagbaje:


May I ask where you're from ? The documents above and names don't look Nigerian

am Nigerian, Paul Grundy is Australian.
Re: paul Grundys story: how i obtained my personal files from Bethel by paulGrundy(m): 9:09pm On Jun 02, 2016
Background to my Personal Files

The files I received trace a path through my life as a Witness; applying to be a pioneer in 1987 at the age of 17, appointment as a Ministerial Servant at the age of 20, being assigned as a family to leave Hobart and move to Sydney at 21, going to bethel at 22 and finally being disfellowshipped at 36. For each of these events either the congregation or Bethel stores a form or letter.


1987 pioneer application.


1990 recommendation for ministerial servant


1991 publisher card

I was accepted into Bethel in 1992. At that time, Parramatta congregation was vibrant, with over 20 pioneers and rich social life. I was assigned to remain serving Parramatta and continued to enjoy the association of the congregation - excessively in the minds of the Bethel elders. Later that year I was reassigned to Bradbury congregation due to its close proximity to Bethel, proliferation of Bethelites and limited opportunity for entertainment. A letter was sent from Parramatta to Bradbury recommending me as a Ministerial Servant.


1992 bethel letter assigning to Paramatta congregation.


1993 letter of paramatta elders to Bradbury congregation.

In 1995, whilst at Bethel I came to realise that the Watchtower is not "the Truth" and Bethel just a glorified factory. I left and went back to my old congregation in Parramatta, where some of my family still lived. The letter that followed from Bradbury shows just how petty Watchtower leaders are. They were unaware of my doubts of faith but I had developed a reputation at Bethel for frivolity and going to bed late. Yet I was also a hard worker, Head Waiter and reported more than 10 hours a month preaching, on top of the five and a half days of Bethel work. The letter stated:

"Although he had served as a ministerial servant and was serving in Bethel it was felt that he had no longer qualified due to his pursuit of worldly entertainment and music … Entertainment appeared to still be a major problem. Paul craved night life and worldly entertainment. … He also spent a lot of time with some of the single sisters and was perhaps overly familiar with them, not in a physical way but in an emotional way."
It is incomprehensible to me now that as a single 25 year old virgin male, I was chastised for liking music, entertainment and being overly familiar with sisters, not in a physical but “in an emotional way.” Entertainment was hardly excessive, as I was spending 7 days a week in Watchtower service and restricted by the Bethel Vow of Poverty to a $26 a week allowance, and hence consistent mainly of visiting Witness families.


1995 letter of recommendation moving from Bradbury to paramatta.


After I left Bethel I spent a number of years going through the motions in Parramatta congregation. I knew Watchtower doctrine did not make sense if considered at any length, but did not go the next step to prove beyond doubt why. I did not really want to know; life outside the religion was too fearsome to contemplate. Losing all my friends and family is not easy to plan for. I stayed this way for ten years, until I could no longer bear going to meetings and listening to the ridiculous, condescending information.

In late 2004, during a shepherding call I confessed my lack of faith and was told to do more research. This meeting is referred to in a report from the Circuit Overseer to Bethel. This put in motion the series of letters and events between 2004 and 2006 that resulted in my disfellowshipping. I was not aware until the documents arrived that in early 2005 I had been "marked" in a special needs talk.


2005 Circuit Overseer Form s-303 to Bethel regarding Marking


2005 bethel response concerning CO report.

What is remarkable about the 2005 Circuit Overseer's report to Bethel is the claim I told the elders I did not believe in God or the Bible, but that; "Non-belief is not a judicial matter." Nor could I be classed as an apostate, as I had not tried to influence others in the congregation.

Doing further study to build my faith, as advised by the elders, is what led me to identifying that the Watchtower Society fits the definition of cult. My last meeting was the March 2005 memorial. In May 2005 I established jwfacts.com anonymously, but eventually the website was identified as belonging to me, which initiated judicial committee proceedings in December 2005.


2005 bridgewater to bethel concerning jwfacts.com


Letter from Bethel to Parramatta re Bridgewater letter
Re: paul Grundys story: how i obtained my personal files from Bethel by paulGrundy(m): 9:26pm On Jun 02, 2016
Judicial Procedure

The drawn out process that ensued from December 2005 may seem like a waste of time, but I wanted to try every avenue available to avoid being disfellowshipped and shunned. I also wanted to document the process in case it could assist others. However, there was little hope for me to avoid being disfellowshipped due to my website and being well known at Bethel.

In December 2005, elders arrived at my door unannounced at night requesting I attend a committee hearing. I refused. Attending opens opportunity to being disfellowshipped as it shows you recognise the authority of the elders and are "admitting accountability to the Christian congregation". By refusing to attend a judicial committee, some people that have not attended meetings for a long period can potentially avoid any further action.


"Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock" pp.99,100
I approached a lawyer, who sent each committee member a letter that I will sue if an announcement is made about me at the kingdom hall, as it would constitute defamation. The lawyer had coincidentally studied cults from a legal perspective and advised the letter was unlikely to be successful, particularly as the announcement to disfellowship is very vague. I also sent a letter to Bethel requesting that my baptism be annulled on the basis of being a minor when baptised.


Letter from Lawyer to Judicial Committee Members

My lawyer was correct; the first committee meeting was held in my absence and it was decided to disfellowship. An appeal is permitted within seven days so I appealed and attended the appeal meeting in January 2006.


"Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock" p.124


Letter of Appeal to first Judicial Committee decision

Six elders, including 3 Bethelites, a Circuit Overseer and an elder with expertise in websites attended. (See judicial committee meeting for a summary of the meeting.) It was reaffirmed that I would be disfellowshipped. I lodged a second unsuccessful appeal letter and was disfellowshipped on Thursday 13th January 2006.


"Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All the Flock" p.127


Letter of Appeal to Second Judicial Committee decision

The following documents outline the lengths the elders went to in order to prove I should be considered apostate.


2006 Bethel letter upholding judicial case.


2006 disfellowshiping form


2006 full implementation.

There is a wealth of forms and corresponding documentation that are held in the files of both active and disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witnesses. Considering there are 7 million publishers and another 1 percent of Jehovah's Witnesses that are disfellowshipped every year (over 60,000), that is a lot of filing cabinets.

Why bother to go through all the effort and emotions to gain access to these files? To remove some of the mystique and prove that the Watchtower Society is not above the law. Though its leaders hide behind terms such as "directed by holy spirit" and "faithful and discreet slave" to dictate to and Lord it over glassy eyed followers, it is simply a legal, worldly corporation run by men.


http://jwfacts.com/watchtower/experiences/personal-files-privacy-act-1988.php

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