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Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by ValerianSteel(m): 11:25pm On Jun 02, 2016
I'm posting this here instead of the American Politics thread cause I've seen the huge followership Trump has here.

Here ladies and gentlemen is a comprehensive look at the man you belove to become President of the United States.

Hillary Clinton just took her biggest shot yet at the idea of President Donald Trump. Thursday afternoon, Clinton gave a speech that was billed as a major foreign address. Indeed, the speech was structured as a traditional campaign policy address, with Clinton laying out her ideas and contrasting them with her opponents'.

But the speech wasn't really about foreign policy per se. It's about why Donald Trump, the person, is fundamentally unfit to hold the highest office in the land. "Donald Trump’s ideas aren’t just different — they are dangerously incoherent," Clinton said at the beginning of the speech. She continued, with a few lines that really cut to the core of the speech:

They’re not even really ideas: just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds, and outright lies. He’s not just unprepared, he’s temperamentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability and immense responsibility. This is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes — because it’s not hard to imagine Donald Trump leading us into a war just because somebody got under his very thin skin.

This wasn't the restrained, diplomatic Clinton we've seen for most of the campaign. This was a full-on firebrand, full of righteous rage at the idea that someone like Donald Trump could possibly be president of the United States. Thursday's speech, then, wasn't a narrow foreign policy address. It was Clinton debuting her fundamental case against Trump — one that hit on exactly what makes so many people so uneasy about Trump's candidacy.

Some of the speech was devoted to Clinton outlining her vision for world affairs — strengthen America's economy, work with allies, take the fight to terrorists, and the like. But those aren't really the focus: Her discussion of her own ideas is brief, and her attacks on Trump took up the bulk of the speech. After Clinton briefly summarizes her plan to fight ISIS — intensify the bombing campaign, create a safe zone in Syria — she pivots straight to attacking Trump's claim that he has a "secret" plan to fight ISIS:

What's Trump's? He won't say. He is literally keeping it a secret. The secret, of course, is he has no idea what he'd do to stop ISIS.

Likewise, when she talked about the need to work with allies, she highlighted Trump's proposal to withdraw from our security alliance with Japan if it doesn't start paying the US money and tell the country to get nukes instead:

It’s no small thing when he suggests that America should withdraw our military support for Japan, encourage them to get nuclear weapons, and said this about a war between Japan and North Korea – and I quote – "If they do, they do. Good luck, enjoy yourself, folks." I wonder if he even realizes he’s talking about nuclear war.

That language in the last sentence — "I wonder if he even realizes" — is the key to understanding this speech. Clinton's argument, over and over again, is that Trump literally does not understand the policy issues at stake, and thus blithely proposes policies that would end up doing massive harm without even understanding it.

"He says he doesn’t have to listen to our generals or ambassadors, because he has – quote – 'a very good brain,'" she argued. "He also said, 'I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me.' You know what? I don’t believe him."

This isn't an attack on any one specific policy ideas; as Clinton said at the beginning of the speech, she doesn't see Trump as really having ideas. Rather, it reflects Trump's lack of basic understanding about the way the world works. That's why her attacks went beyond foreign policy, attacking Trump's comments on the debt and deficit as examples of his dangerous ignorance.

"He believes we can treat the US economy like one of his casinos and default on our debts to the rest of the world, which would cause an economic catastrophe far worse than anything we experienced in 2008," Clinton said. "Those are the words, my friends, of someone who doesn’t understand America or the world."

The point here isn't just to attack Trump's ideas, as you would a normal candidate. It's to delegitimize Trump entirely: to say that he lacks even the most basic of basic qualifications to be president of the United States.

Theoretically, Trump could rectify his policy ignorance over the course of the campaign. He could study up on foreign policy and reverse his scariest policy positions. Indeed, he has a habit of changing his proposals, sometimes outright lying about what he's said in the past. So Clinton's case against Trump cuts deeper than just highlighting some bad policy ideas.

She argues that he is temperamentally incapable of being a good president: that the kind of person he is could never, ever make good decisions as president.

This is a point she hammers home toward the end of the speech, when she tries to get the audience to imagine what Trump would be like if he were actually president:

Imagine Donald Trump sitting in the Situation Room, making life-or-death decisions on behalf of the United States. Imagine him deciding whether to send your children into battle. Imagine if he had not just his Twitter account at his disposal when he’s angry, but America’s entire arsenal. Do we want him making those calls – someone thin-skinned and quick to anger, who lashes out at the smallest criticism?

The point here isn't about specific policies, or even comments.

[b]It's about the general way Trump has behaved himself: volatile, self-absorbed, thin-skinned. These qualities, Clinton argues, are what give rise to his terrible foreign policy proposals. Clinton takes aim, for example, at Trump's positive comments about dictators in Russia, China, and North Korea. "He said, 'You’ve got to give Kim Jong Un credit' for taking over North Korea – something he did by murdering everyone he saw as a threat, including his own uncle, which Donald described gleefully, like he was recapping an action movie," she recounts.

These aren't just random comments, Clinton says — they are windows into a broken psyche. She more or less literally tells Trump to seek psychiatric help rather than the presidency:

I’ll leave it to the psychiatrists to explain his affection for tyrants. I just wonder how anyone could be so wrong about who America’s real friends are. But it matters. Because if you don’t know exactly who you’re dealing with, men like Putin will eat your lunch[/b].

This is strong language for a presidential race, and it reflects Clinton's basic strategy of delegitimizing Trump. She's trying to cast him as not just worse than a normal Republican but as a threat to the republic that everyone, on both sides of the aisle, should see as unacceptable.

What makes this speech so strong — and so much better than the kind of weak attacks the Clinton camp has floated recently — is that Clinton has really put her finger on the reasons people around the country are worried about Trump. It's true that Trump knows nothing about foreign affairs. It's true he has blithely proposed dangerous ideas, like conquering Iraq and stealing its oil. It's true he says bigoted things. It's true he is a volatile person, that he's demonstrated over and over again that he acts wildly based on petty grievances.

These are the things that make Trump qualitatively different from any past presidents, who at least had a kind of experience that made them into known and somewhat predictable quantities. They're why Trump has the highest unfavorable ratings of any major party candidate for the presidency, and why the Economist ranks a Trump presidency as one of its top 10 risks to the world this year.

Clinton wants to highlight this: to make the core of her message that Trump isn't a normal Republican, but rather someone who's the most dangerous presidential nominee in recent memory. It's a very strong choice.

www.vox.com/2016/6/2/11843114/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-speech-transcript-foreign-policy

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by fistonati(m): 11:41pm On Jun 02, 2016
I think Hilary Clinton nailed the monkey, monster Donald Trump this time around.
And the scores is now 4 for Clinton and 2 for Trump

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Viktor1983(m): 11:45pm On Jun 02, 2016
Clinton finished Trump on here....
Lol!

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Missy89(f): 12:11am On Jun 03, 2016
Clinton was no Machiavelli when she was in office either.
Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by whitecloth: 12:49am On Jun 03, 2016
Hmmmmm[ bow down my head in grief] everyone is saying she has nailed trump, fine, but all this accusation against trump, what's the assurances that she can do something diff and better, isn't her gov going to be the continuation of Obama administration? during her regime when it comes, is she not going to create more cancer in the gov than she met ?
Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by ValerianSteel(m): 1:17am On Jun 03, 2016
Missy89:
Clinton was no Machiavelli when she was in office either.
Really?Do you want to trumpet Benghazi?

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Missy89(f): 1:18am On Jun 03, 2016
ValerianSteel:
Really?Do you want to trumpet Benghazi?

Maybe. Let me ask you a question. Name one Hilary's accomplishment.

Just one
Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by ValerianSteel(m): 2:38am On Jun 03, 2016
Missy89:


Maybe. Let me ask you a question. Name one Hilary's accomplishment.

Just one
If its her Foreign Policy you question,How about I refer you to things the media don't talk about?

First of have in mind that she remains the most travelled Secretary of State and arguably the most active during her time at the State Department.In this effort,you might want to google how she made economics a centrepiece of her foreign policy as Secretary of State.She effectively lobbied for American companies to secure contracts pushing her weight against heavy contenders.If you have doubts,the internet is there to quench your doubts.

In 2012 she stopped what could have been a messy war with China when a Chinese dissident took refuge at the US Embassy in Beijing.She expertly arranged for his rescue without crippling American relations with China.

She brokered a cease fire between Hamas and Israel in 2012 at a time when Israel was ready to call up 75000 reservists.Barely 24 hrs after she arrived Israel,there was a deal and she helped stopped what could have been the most violent escalation of crisis in the middle east.

If you haven't heard Secretary Clinton pushed for the raid that killed Bin Laden.While we may have reservations about Libya and the ouster of Ghaddaffi,remind yourself that without Secretary Clinton's efforts in the UN Security Council to get authorization for military intervention puts the United States at a strategic role as World Leader even John Kerry,am sure same rules she used on Libya could have secured a better Syria today.

She practically forced Putin's hand into a nuclear agreement between the US-Russia and China.This is very important as she drafted an agreement that has reduced each countries pursuit for more nuclear warheads and help cut back on further nuclear exploits.

During her time as Secretary of State she pushed for the inclusion of Gender rights,LGBT rights,anti-discrimination and freedom laws in her travels to 112 countries.Her famous “Gay rights are human rights” speech is testimony to that.

These are the core tenets of any foreign policy and as Secretary of State,she didn't allow the most minute issue to escape her notice.Her Foreign Policy achievements represent everything the United States stands for and Secretary Clinton used this position to influence this on the world.

No matter the media narrative about her,truth is she remains an all time top diplomat who is well rounded on global issues.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Lucasbalo(m): 4:00am On Jun 03, 2016
Missy89:


Maybe. Let me ask you a question. Name one Hilary's accomplishment.

Just one
Missy, you getting your updates from Fox News. Valeriansteel gave you good answers.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Lucasbalo(m): 4:12am On Jun 03, 2016
ValerianSteel:
If its her Foreign Policy you question,How about I refer you to things the media don't talk about?

First of have in mind that she remains the most travelled Secretary of State and arguably the most active during her time at the State Department.In this effort,you might want to google how she made economics a centrepiece of her foreign policy as Secretary of State.She effectively lobbied for American companies to secure contracts pushing her weight against heavy contenders.If you have doubts,the internet is there to quench your doubts.

In 2012 she stopped what could have been a messy war with China when a Chinese dissident took refuge at the US Embassy in Beijing.She expertly arranged for his rescue without crippling American relations with China.

She brokered a cease fire between Hamas and Israel in 2012 at a time when Israel was ready to call up 75000 reservists.Barely 24 hrs after she arrived Israel,there was a deal and she helped stopped what could have been the most violent escalation of crisis in the middle east.

If you haven't heard Secretary Clinton pushed for the raid that killed Bin Laden.While we may have reservations about Libya and the ouster of Ghaddaffi,remind yourself that without Secretary Clinton's efforts in the UN Security Council to get authorization for military intervention puts the United States at a strategic role as World Leader even John Kerry,am sure same rules she used on Libya could have secured a better Syria today.

She practically forced Putin's hand into a nuclear agreement between the US-Russia and China.This is very important as she drafted an agreement that has reduced each countries pursuit for more nuclear warheads and help cut back on further nuclear exploits.

During her time as Secretary of State she pushed for the inclusion of Gender rights,LGBT rights,anti-discrimination and freedom laws in her travels to 112 countries.Her famous “Gay rights are human rights” speech is testimony to that.

These are the core tenets of any foreign policy and as Secretary of State,she didn't allow the most minute issue to escape her notice.Her Foreign Policy achievements represent everything the United States stands for and Secretary Clinton used this position to influence this on the world.

No matter the media narrative about her,truth is she remains an all time top diplomat who is well rounded on global issues.
Good answer my man. Kudos to you. Trump is going to bring the Republican ticket down in November and that's to my delight. Our junior Senator here in Illinois Mark Kirk running for reelection is scared to death and that's why he wouldn't be in Quicken Arena in Cleveland for the Convention. America deserves better than a misogynistic bigot and a serial and pathological liar who makes fun of an handicap reporter. He's nothing but a two bit hustler.He will go back to his scamming ways after November 8.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Nobody: 11:30am On Jun 03, 2016
ValerianSteel:


If you haven't heard Secretary Clinton pushed for the raid that killed Bin Laden.


That you even believe that Osama Bin Laden was killed in 2011 shows that your medulla oblongata needs recalibration.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Lucasbalo(m): 1:15pm On Jun 03, 2016
Zoharariel:


That you even believe that Osama Bin Laden was killed in 2011 shows that your medulla oblongata needs recalibration.
Your idiocy is beyond comical if you believe the trash you are posting.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Missy89(f): 4:58pm On Jun 03, 2016
Lucasbalo:
Missy, you getting your updates from Fox News. Valeriansteel gave you good answers.

He did not say anything new. What does being the most traveled sec of state have to do with experience? and no she did not force Putin to do anything and she did not push for the Osama raid either. Same talking points.
Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Lucasbalo(m): 5:59pm On Jun 03, 2016
Missy89:


He did not say anything new. What does being the most traveled sec of state have to do with experience? and no she did not force Putin to do anything and she did not push for the Osama raid either. Same talking points.
He said quite a lot but you are fixated on Republican talking points . November is the judgement day and my side will be vindicated. The damage to your party unfortunately will take a generation to fix. I believe we need two strong parties in US so we won't go the way of semi dictatorship in Russia. Paul Ryan endorsed the Bigoted One yesterday and that's good. The more the Republicans fall in line with the bigoted one, the worst the Republicans will come out in November. I am loving that. You are turning the Party of Lincoln to the party of Bigots and Intolerance. Glad to be a Progressive.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by ValerianSteel(m): 5:59pm On Jun 03, 2016
Missy89:


He did not say anything new. What does being the most traveled sec of state have to do with experience? and no she did not force Putin to do anything and she did not push for the Osama raid either. Same talking points.
Congratulations Missy,you've proven to be an instrument of the conservative machinations against Secretary Clinton.

Let's not stress this out anyway,your mind is made up.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by ValerianSteel(m): 6:05pm On Jun 03, 2016
Zoharariel:


That you even believe that Osama Bin Laden was killed in 2011 shows that your medulla oblongata needs recalibration.
We should get you arrested and locked up in Guantanamo since you have a theory to him being alive.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Lucasbalo(m): 6:12pm On Jun 03, 2016
ValerianSteel:
We should get you arrested and locked up in Guantanamo since you have a theory to him being alive.
That guy is turning to be a mental case. He's so blinded by his hate that rational thoughts can't come out of him when it comes to good ol USA.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by ValerianSteel(m): 6:26pm On Jun 03, 2016
Lucasbalo:
That guy is turning to be a mental case. He's so blinded by his hate that rational thoughts can't come out of him when it comes to good ol USA.
It's so nauseating the way he talks about America.Give this guy a free ticket to the Hamptons for a week and watch him change his vile nature.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by ValerianSteel(m): 7:39pm On Jun 03, 2016
Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Lucasbalo(m): 7:44pm On Jun 03, 2016
ValerianSteel:
It's so nauseating the way he talks about America.Give this guy a free ticket to the Hamptons for a week and watch him change his vile nature.
We don't want to pollute The Hamptons. He's perfectly happy in his Ghetto.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Missy89(f): 8:44pm On Jun 03, 2016
Lucasbalo:
He said quite a lot but you are fixated on Republican talking points . November is the judgement day and my side will be vindicated. The damage to your party unfortunately will take a generation to fix. I believe we need two strong parties in US so we won't go the way of semi dictatorship in Russia. Paul Ryan endorsed the Bigoted One yesterday and that's good. The more the Republicans fall in line with the bigoted one, the worst the Republicans will come out in November. I am loving that. You are turning the Party of Lincoln to the party of Bigots and Intolerance. Glad to be a Progressive.

Ryan is a traitor. Most moderate conservatives have called him out already.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by ValerianSteel(m): 10:18pm On Jun 03, 2016
Lucasbalo:
We don't want to pollute The Hamptons. He's perfectly happy in his Ghetto.
grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Lucasbalo(m): 11:12pm On Jun 03, 2016
Missy89:


Ryan is a traitor. Most moderate conservatives have called him out already.
Ryan is scared that the right wing hardliners will push him out like they did to Boehner and McCarthy. I really feel for you and your fellow moderates. That's what happens when you let those wackos like Senator Session and Congressman Steve King of Iowa takes over the party of Lincoln. The rooster has come home to roost. All you have to hope for is minimal damage in November. I truly wants viable Two party system.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Nobody: 11:25pm On Jun 03, 2016
Lucasbalo:


He's so blinded by his hate that rational thoughts can't come out of him when it comes to good ol USA.


My money-doubling priend,

Though you occasionally come across as smart & intelligent but most times, I am tempted to agree with Scully that your stupidity is beyond redemption (no offense) grin.

If you're smart & intelligent, you should know that, for every action, there's an equal & opposite reaction.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika stops aiding & abetting terrorists.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika stops subversion of foreign governments.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika stops the invasion of sovereign states under false pretext.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika ends her global destabilization programs.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika stops poking her filthy nose in the affairs of every Nation.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika stops violating territorial waters of her perceived enemies in the name of conducting routine patrols.

And above all, Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika bows down to Mother Russia grin

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by ValerianSteel(m): 12:15am On Jun 04, 2016
Lucasbalo:
Ryan is scared that the right wing hardliners will push him out like they did to Boehner and McCarthy. I really feel for you and your fellow moderates. That's what happens when you let those wackos like Senator Session and Congressman Steve King of Iowa takes over the party of Lincoln. The rooster has come home to roost. All you have to hope for is minimal damage in November. I trul wants viable Two party system.
This election will shape the fate of the GOP for the next decade or two.That sleek hair saying he would vote for Trump is not just a Republican traitor,he is a traitor of American values.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Destroys Trump's Foreign Policy by Lucasbalo(m): 12:30am On Jun 04, 2016
Zoharariel:


My money-doubling priend,

Though you occasionally come across as smart & intelligent but most times, I am tempted to agree with Scully that your stupidity is beyond redemption (no offense) grin.

If you're smart & intelligent, you should know that, for every action, there's an equal & opposite reaction.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika stops aiding & abetting terrorists.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika stops subversion of foreign governments.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika stops the invasion of sovereign states under false pretext.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika ends her global destabilization programs.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika stops poking her filthy nose in the affairs of every Nation.

Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika stops violating territorial waters of her perceived enemies in the name of conducting routine patrols.

And above all, Rational thoughts will start coming outta me when Amerika bows down to Mother Russia grin
Awujale in waiting, not surprised you agree with that brainstem. Similar mind thinks alike. Waiting for America to bow to Russia will never happen. The only thing I will agree with you on is the interventionist attitude of my government. I don't care much for that unless if America security is threatened or about to be threatened. Your venomous rants against US is just only on Nairaland for your comrades in Hate America Club. We America loving people wears your scorn and condemnation as a badge of honor. Keep on hating while the eagle keep soaring. Hopefully, your hatred won't cause your B/P to go beyond amendment.

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