Decker:
1. How are the saints going to experience eternal happiness knowing that some of the people they love are in hell?

If while in heaven, our mechanism for sensual perception is properly functioning, it means that we are fully aware of ourselves, and not only that, we also possess what makes us who we are, including our memories. If this be the case, then how will we be happy knowing that some of our loved ones and friends are being tortured in hell? Won't this defeat the idea of eternal happiness?

Decker:


2. This question is for Christians.

The bible tells us that in heaven some people will have a reward greater than others, in form of mansions, according to the amount of souls won for christ. For this to be possible, it means that every saint will still possess the ability to understand the importance and quality of this reward. If not, then God would have given everyone equal numbers of mansions. So, if someone understands that someone else's reward is greater than his, won't this realization breed sadness and dissatisfaction? How about those who don't have any reward at all? Would they be happy seeing that some other saints have been greatly rewarded while they aren't?

Decker:
The subjectivity of happiness

3. The bible and koran creates a general description of heaven which would appeal to some but not to others. Our ideas of happiness are fundamentally subjective. A person's definition of happiness isn't the same as another person's idea of happiness. My idea of what would give me happiness, especially eternal happiness, is different from that of my brother or my best friend. The koran's definition of heaven is one with endless sex and drinking. The bible's is one with unimaginable physical beauty and eternal praise and glorification of God. Although these description may represent the idea of happiness for certain people, it definitely isn't for others. For some people, happiness isn't about sex or wine or praise or beauty or material possession. How then would these kind of people be happy for ever? Wouldn't heaven be more or less an eternal prison where they are forced to conform to things they'd rather not conform to?

Decker:
The question of Time.

All through the book of revelation, we see the bible prophesy about 7 years of tribulation and 1000 years of reigning with christ and various other emphasis on time. Now my question is this:

How would you be able to estimate days, weeks, months and years in heaven? On earth, we get our idea of day and night, and time in general, by the effects of the earth's rotation and revolution around the sun. So, how would you calculate 7 years when you are in heaven? Is heaven also a planet that orbits the sun?

KingEbukasBlog:


You are looking at these things from an earthly perspective . These as you mention can elicit jealousy and God does not want that . Jealousy is an earthly disposition and when we are now in Heaven , the body our mind , thoughts are now transformed , there would no thought of sadness or jealousy . There is contentedness , joy , happiness . The glory of the Lord would coruscate through us - no form of ungodly thoughts can pervade our mind

KingEbukasBlog:


Isaiah 65:17
17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.

Decker:


So you are suggesting that in heaven, you will no longer have memories of your life on earth. No memories of your loved ones and no memories of anyone, even your own self. This means that you are no longer going to be you, because your personality and who you are, is a product of your experiences, memories and interaction with people.

You become more or less a reprogrammed robot, incapable of self defined feelings, recreated to worship God for all eternity.

In addition to this, how are you going to understand why you are being eternally rewarded ? For example, you are given mansions as reward for winning souls. You have to at least possess memories of your actions on earth, to be able to understand why you are being rewarded with those mansions.

Also, your understanding of the magnificent beauty and elegant artistry of heaven would be as a result of perception and comparism. Your perception of such refined beauty would be hugely dependent on your already formed knowledge of beauty gotten from your sensual experience on earth.
For you to be able to comprehend the extraordinary of heaven, you have to be able to compare it with the ordinariness of earth, of which you should have knowledge and memory of.

Also, are you implying that it's only those who would be in heaven that would be cleansed of their memories? Because according to the bible, those in hell will still posses their human memories, because that's what would enable them experience regret for their actions and come to terms with their punishment.

KingEbukasBlog:


You are a creation of God and he can do whatever he like with you . Which is more reasonable ? Being with God , now an infallible creature or dead and gone forever - an atheist's belief . Even sef , both ways you don't make use of memories

Decker:


You didn't answer my question, instead, you are subtly trying to change the subject.

You see how you religious folks demote yourselves to the position of mere slaves at the mercy of an authoritarian God, who is at will to do whatever he likes with you, even if it means depriving you of who you are and transforming you to mindless robots of worship, to fulfill his narcissistic desire for eternal adulation, as reward for worshiping him and doing his will while on earth. What a pity. Yet, you still call him loving father.

Please answer my questions and stop being evasive.

Decker:


You didn't answer my question, instead, you are subtly trying to change the subject.

You see how you religious folks demote yourselves to the position of mere slaves at the mercy of an authoritarian God, who is at will to do whatever he likes with you, even if it means depriving you of who you are and transforming you to mindless robots of worship, to fulfill his narcissistic desire for eternal adulation, as reward for worshiping him and doing his will while on earth. What a pity. Yet, you still call him loving father.

Please answer my questions and stop being evasive.

Hello decker, I ve a message from Obiorathesubtle,.

He says hi and hopes you find you way again..

May God show you the right pathway bro..

You will be alright

KingEbukasBlog:


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This is from someone that believes that he will die and be gone forever . No memories , nothing . Fails to exist after this life .

In heaven , you memories will be cleansed . Past memories like pain and sorrow can affect your life in heaven . I dont know if your memories would be taken from you before or after you are given your reward . I don't know how these events would take place . I am working with was written .

These are specious arguments . Your arguments would reasonable if we are experiencing life in heaven and its not a satisfying experience .We are still on earth and you are questioning the future . After they'd claim they operate in logic and reason

Decker:


You didn't answer my question, instead, you are subtly trying to change the subject.

You see how you religious folks demote yourselves to the position of mere slaves at the mercy of an authoritarian God, who is at will to do whatever he likes with you, even if it means depriving you of who you are and transforming you to mindless robots of worship, to fulfill his narcissistic desire for eternal adulation, as reward for worshiping him and doing his will while on earth. What a pity. Yet, you still call him loving father.

Please answer my questions and stop being evasive.

Smellymouth:


Hello decker, I ve a message from Obiorathesubtle,.

He says hi and hopes you find you way again..

May God show you the right pathway bro..

You will be alright

Decker:


Lol. KingEbuka the great debater who always has answers for all questions is now claiming that he doesn't know. That's a first. And he actually said it twice.

Now if you don't know about something, why are you living your life towards the full attainment of that thing? Isn't it foolishness. You have no idea what's behind a door, but you still decide to sell all you have, and dedicate your whole life just to get through that door which you don't know what's exactly behind it.

Wait a minute, don't you Christians pity people like us who don't believe in your God, because we are damned to suffer for all eternity in hell? Why do you pity us, since neither you nor us have experienced hell?

Duuurh!! I am also working with what's written.

Decker:


Okay.

Happy ramadan, smello.

Ramadan Mubarak boss

All the best Sire

lepasharon:

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s ’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

KingEbukasBlog:


Mister . Ive found the root of this problem of yours - you don't know the purpose of man's creation . Man in heaven is still adhering to his purpose of creation - to serve , glorify God . So your cavils about memories are baseless .
Now address my response reasonably .