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| Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by No2Atheism(m): 1:49pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/warticles/who_owns_kano_ilorin_and_the_cri.htm WHO OWNS KANO? Ilorin and the crisis of Fulani identity By Femi Awoniyi Speyer, Germany In the Ilorin matter, a word is so sensitive that one side of the conflict avoids using it (See Daily Trust and Weekly Trust reports on gamji). It's a word that won't cross the lips of Emir Ibrahim Sulu-Gambari, Abubakar Olusola Saraki, Alfa Babatunde Belgore and other defenders of the status quo in the town. The word is "Fulani". None of these men have ever come out to say: Yes, I am Fulani or that Ilorin belongs to the Fulanis. They only claim they are not Yoruba, and that the controversial town "belongs to the North". This willful obscurantism or fuzziness of language is to mask the real issue involved, which is ethnicity in the politics of Fulani-traditionally ruled domains. Fulanis often adopt identities (North, Muslim North, Hausa-Fulani) that they share with others and which don’t single them out in the Nigerian polity, and they employ these different identities in different contexts. The Fulani traditional rulership has constructed a social identity around Islam in such a way as to deny Hausas and other peoples in the Fulani-ruled communities an independent ethnic identity, and by so doing arrogate their political representation. Fulani elite are no ‘mere’ actors in the Nigerian polity. They depart from the premise of a natural entitlement to power and position far greater than that of other Nigerians - and they have played a much more important role than their demographic strength would deem equitable in our politics. Fulanis have produced four rulers since independence (Ahmadu Bello (de facto), Murtala Mohammed, Muhammadu Buhari and Shehu Shagari) and have exercised considerable influence over all others, including the present one. Is anybody aware that Tunde Idiagbon was a Fulani? Indeed, he was. Two Fulanis (head of state and his deputy) once ruled Nigeria! Through this ingenious identity politics, Fulani leaders convey the impression that race and ethnicity don’t matter in their domains because their common religion is greater than any differences. But race and ethnicity matter between Hutus and Tutsis in Burundi and Rwanda (even though they are both adherents of Roman Catholicism), between Arabs and Berbers in Algeria and Morocco, and between light-skinned Arabs and their dark-skinned compatriots in all of Muslim Arabia. In fact, in the Arab world, while dark-skinned people are treated like a citizenry apart, those with "Negroid" facial features among them (and there are many of them) are the underprivileged of an already underclass. Ilorin by focusing on ethnicity in a Fulani-ruled domain threatens to bare Fulanis as actors by themselves and for themselves for the first time in independent Nigeria. And Bida is a potential Ilorin as are Kano, Zaria, Katsina and many other towns in the North. The desperate actions of Fulani leaders over Ilorin are a sign that they recognise the dramatic nature of the agitation of the Yorubas. The Fulani elite are aware that ethno-national consciousness is the only countervailing cultural force capable of weakening religion as a binding agent in their domains, leading inevitably to a sweeping change to the popular perception of its trado-religious institution of power. The folks kinship between Fulanis and Hausas in Kano, Katsina and Zaria, for example, is not closer than that between Fulanis and Yorubas in Ilorin. The extent of social intercourse and cultural unity among Fulani and the two peoples is very similar: intermarriage, Islam, common language and local cultural mores etc. The utterances of people like Saraki ("I am Abubakar Olusola Saraki, but that has not made me a Yoruba man. I speak Yoruba because it is my mother's tongue"  make nonsense of an ‘Hausa-Fulani’ identity.That a man can claim in public, with gusto, that the fact that his biological mother comes from an ethnic group does not make him a member of that same group reveals one thing: the paternalistic, condescending attitude of Fulani elite to other peoples in their domains, a sense of cultural superiority. It is similar to the caste system in India. A child from a high-caste father and lower-caste mother defines himself by dissociating himself from his mother’s group. The desperate behaviour of Saraki (one day, he says Ilorin is 80 percent Yoruba and the next he swears that there are not more than 1,000 of them there) can be attributed to the awareness that a politicised Yoruba ethnic consciousness will destroy his political influence in Kwara. What ethno-nationalism in Nigeria (of which the Ilorin agitation could be considered a part) does essentially is to highlight the assignment of cultural meanings to geographical space, and associations between social identity and territoriality. A development that is unfavourable to Fulanis because of their lack of territorial heritage. They cannot lay primary or native claim to any part of Nigeria. This lack of ethno-national options could be said to be responsible for the hostile attitude of Fulani scholars to the notions of "nations" and "race" in our political discourse and their attempt to disparage claims based on ethno-national interests. Yoruba agitators in Ilorin face a formidable adversary in Fulani elite who will stop at nothing to preserve their privileges. Sulu-Gambari has been preparing for the resurgent Yoruba struggle right from his inception of office, convinced of its inevitability. He has married the daughter of Shehu of Bornu, co-founded the Arewa Consultative Forum, co-sponsors the Arewa People’s Congress, thereby seeking sundry allies for the final showdown. The Fulani traditional ruler has even provoked a Muslim-Christian crisis in the town to divide his supposed subjects. He openly called for the eviction of Christians from Muslim areas in Ilorin, in July 1999, thereby causing tension between the two religious groups. This action eventually led to the riots in Oja-Gboro, a suburb of the town, where 14 churches were set ablaze by rampaging Muslim youths in December of the same year. And, nationally, we have seen the efforts made by the Fulani elite to recover grounds it perceived to have lost since President Olusegun Obasanjo came into power and his alleged attempts to isolate them. Chief among these is the introduction and promotion of the Sharia. Sharia amounts to clearing the deck for an aggressive reassertion of Islam as the chief agent of cultural unity in the Fulani-ruled Muslim North, in particular, and the whole Muslim North, in general. A careful reading of the Weekly Trust and Daily Trust reports will reveal an attempt to portray the Ilorin conflict as one between Islam and ‘Idolatry’. The following quotes should suffice: "The Ilorin Emirate Chief Forum through its secretary general, Alhaji Salihu Woru Mohammed, responded to Gani Admas threat (sic). The Forum, in a statement, said Ilorin was founded and envisioned to be a bastion of Islam, and that the emir of Ilorin symbolize (sic) the Islamic identity of all Ilorin people, including members of the Afonja family who he said have produced great Islamic scholars. To attempt the unattainable ambition to revert Ilorin to Egungun or idol worshippers is not only an insult but a blasphemy The appellation Emir simply means leader of the faithful. The ruler of Ilorin is different from Obas who are custodians of Ifa, Sanga, Agemo, etc, the statement said." (Weekly Trust, July 13-19, 2001, Afenifere vs. Arewa: The battle for Ilorin.) In Ilorin, most of the Yorubas name their quarters by the towns their forefathers fled from. Such names as Ile Oyo, Ile Osogbo, Ile Ijesha, Ile Egba and so on are common. The Ajia Ijesha, the traditional title holders representing the Ihesha people who hailed from the present Osun State (specifically from Chief Bola Igbe’s (sic) Yoruba sub-group) is historically the closest person to the emir. It is said that he is one of the few people who have direct access to the emir’s bedroom. This fact is founded on a tradition which has it that the Ijesha Muslim warriors were some of the most passionate defenders of Islam during the Jihad. It is unlikely that these Yoruba elements will submit themselves to the rule of an Oba – an institution they detest as a reminder of their idolatrous past." (WEEKLY TRUST JULY 20-27, 2001 Emirate System: Position of Yorubas in Ilorin – An Editorial Analysis) (Underlines for emphasis). When the Ilorin Emirate Chief Forum describes Obas as custodians of Ifa, Sango, Agemo etc, it implicitly implies that Alhaji Lamidi Adeyemi, the Alaafin of Oyo, Alhaji Oyewale Matanmi, Ataojo of Oshogbo, and Alhaji Sikiru Adetona, the Awujale of Ijebuland, frontline traditional rulers and Muslim leaders in Yorubaland, are not good Muslims. It also shows the opinion the chiefs have of the Oloffa of Offa, who is the vice-chairman of Jawarul Islam in Kwara State (Sulu-Gambari is chairman). It is safe to infer that only Fulanis could be emirs, Leaders of the Faithful, in the reasoning of the Fulani traditional power establishment, because they are the only good Muslims in the emirates. One hopes non-Fulani Muslims in Bida, Kontagora, Kano etc. are listening. It could come to it that Nupes and Hausas might demand to be made emirs in the future and they would be told that Nupe and Hausa chiefs are custodians of ‘idolatry’. It must be remembered that the great Muslim scholars from Ilorin in recent decades are mostly Yorubas. Prominent among these are the late Sheikh Adam El-Ilori, founder of Markazz Islamic Centre, Agege-Lagos, and Sheikh Kamaldeen Al-Adabiy, who founded the Ansar Islam Society of Nigeria. Sheikh El-Ilori was a critic of the Fulani trado-religious establishment during his lifetime. The Afonja family, which is at the forefront of the struggle against Fulani supremacy in Ilorin, is a Muslim one, and historically, the struggle has been carried out by Muslim Yorubas. It may be recalled that Abdulsalami, who established the Ilorin emirate in 1824, when he violently overthrew Afonja as ruler of the town, faced the greatest resistance in Oke Suna, a Yoruba Muslim settlement, which he destroyed after his victory. Oke Imale, another quarter inhabited by Yoruba Muslims, rebelled against Emir Momo which led to his death in 1895. The quarter also played a prominent role in the popular resistance to Momo’s successor, Emir Suleiman. (Samuel Johnson, The History of the Yorubas) Why then should an Afonja after becoming an Oba in Ilorin turn to ‘idolatry’? In the frequent mention of ‘idolatry’ lies the danger of a possible genocide against Yorubas in the North especially at a time when Islam is experiencing a renewed fervency in the region. The campaign seeks to create a moral climate permissive of violent attacks on Yorubas because of a possible perception of their collective threat to the spiritual wellbeing of Muslims. It wouldn’t matter that most of the would-be victims could be Muslims like the would-be perpetrators. The recent threat of the Supreme Council for Sharia in Nigeria (its president, Dr. Ibrahim Dati Ahmad, is a Fulani) to avenge the killing of some northerners in last year's violent clashes between some Yoruba and Hausa youths in Lagos is an evidence of the end to which the Fulani elite could put Islam. The battle for Ilorin could eventually end up marking the beginning of the end of the Fulani traditional supremacy. Yorubas in the North, however, could suffer a full-scale backlash in the event of the agitation turning violent. The magnitude of this possible outcome seems to be lost on many protagonists of the Yoruba cause in the matter, hence, their feeble and uncoordinated actions. Perhaps the unconscious helpers of the anti-Yoruba campaign in the North are some Yoruba agitators who make statements which betray a lack of clear appreciation of the enormity of the cause they are championing. The basic struggle of Ilorin Yorubas is for a legal recognition of Yoruba traditional authority in the town. The clamour for the merger of Yorubas in Central Nigeria with their kins in the Southwest or for the creation of an Oya state plays into the hands of their Fulani opponents who seek to portray the Ilorin issue as an attempt to diminish the territorial influence of the North. Even if there were a sovereign Yoruba nation, it would be impossible to have all Yorubas within its borders. Ethnic Germans are native to Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Belgium and Luxembourg. French people can be found in France, Luxembourg and Belgium, to name a few examples. Yorubas in Kwara and Kogi will always belong to the geographical North and should play an important role in the politics of the Middle Belt. The anti-Yoruba campaign, employing the phantom danger of an OPC invasion of Ilorin, mounted by Saraki and the Arewa Consultative Forum, employs ‘North’ as the rallying point in a deceptive bid to portray the conflict as one between Yorubas (or the Southwest) and the North. What Ilorin shows is that Yoruba intellectuals are not actively involved in advocating the interests of their people. And there is today an historic opportunity in Nigeria to effect fundamental changes peacefully. The time has come, therefore, for our intellectuals to act. If the most endowed section of the population doesn’t get involved in this momentous quest for redemption, the fray will be left to unenlightened actors whose actions we must all answer for. Our intellectuals need to strengthen our people and confirm them in the justice of the cause of regional autonomy. Fulani traditional supremacy will continue to constitute a source of hindrance to national unity and progress in Nigeria. To preserve their privileged status, Fulani elite will always encourage radical Islam in the Muslim North, and to bond with the rest of the region, according to classic method of creating commonality—unite distinct peoples by identifying a common enemy–will continue to pitch the two major regions of the country against each other. There has to be a process of reinterpreting Islam in such a way as to cause a greater sense of cultural self-confidence among Ilorin Yorubas. For example, Muslim prayers in traditional Mosques in the city contain the names of, among others, Othman dan Fodio, Shehu Alimi and some other past Fulani scholars and emirs, as interceding instances (patron saints) "for the glory or rank which they possess in the eyes of God" (Stefan Reichmuth). This concept is also said to be found in Hausa Islamic literature and it explains the alleged abject political submissiveness of non-Fulanis said to prevail in Fulani-ruled domains. In general, a new paradigm in ethno-nationalism in Nigeria must stress the cultural and historical links between peoples of South Nigeria and their Northern compatriots, Yorubas and Edos with Igalas and Kanuris, for example. Just like Fulani politicians, intellectuals and journalists would like to sensitise Yorubaland to its religious differences, the Fulani ‘singular identity’ must be located and essentialised in our politics. ‘Hausa/Fulani’ is a culturally constructed ethnic identity to serve the political interests of the Fulanis and this should be systematically contested and resisted. The establishment of an equitable relationship of democratic power in Nigeria is contingent upon curtailing the influence of the Fulani establishment in our polity. Lest I forget: Who owns Kano? Does anybody know? ----------------------- Femi Awoniyi is a journalist and he lives in Speyer, Germany August, 2001 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by AloyEmeka6: 2:25pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Nobody owns a city. Jeez. Who cares if red Indians owns Ilorin or Kano as long as they have light, water, good roads and their residents are allowed to live and choose how to run their lives?. Can somebody tell me who owns Paris, London, Dublin, NY, LA etc?. Africans are very backward and its a pity an educated journalist will waste his time to write this rubbish. The very thing that killed Nigeria as a nation: TRIBALISM. Well done NO2Atheism.  1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by tpia5: 2:47pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Kano no be Hausa again? I read this article last year. Nothing new, really. 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by No2Atheism(m): 2:54pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
@tpia do u have any input or additional souce of information i am trying learn and get to the bottom of the question. Considering that its a big question of far reaching ramifications if Tunde Idiagbon is not Yoruba, that means Fulanis might be the most dangerous people in nigeria. |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by No2Atheism(m): 2:55pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
I would not mind if someone please provide another source of information that either contradicts or expanciates upon the one posted, i am trying to learn here. Hence why the topic of the thread is in the form of a question. |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by tubabie(f): 2:56pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Aloy~Emeka:While this issue is not something new,but your post reeks of ignorance. How would state that nobody owns cities? Are you for real? The issue of infrastructure and social amenities you brought forward is a different issue entirely to what is being discussed here. Human beings are social beings and we value identity alot. 3 Likes |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by tpia5: 3:02pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
No2Atheism: People can have more than one If he says he's Fulani, then that's fine by me. If he says he's Yoruba, I could care less. But as long as they're not doing it to cause ethnic tension, people should be whatever they're comfortable with. No one should be forced to disregard their heritage because others want them to, imo. 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by bilymuse: 3:03pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
[size=20pt]nobody cares if Idiadgon is a red indian[/size] |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by AloyEmeka6: 3:06pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
No2Atheism:Who cares if Tunde Idiagbon was Fulani or Zulu?. The man is dead and gone; you should be looking forward towards a greater Nigeria and not the tribes of who is in power. |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by AloyEmeka6: 3:12pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
tubabie:Yes I am for real. Properties can be owned but not cities. Cities belong to the residents. Why not start by answering my question: who owns LA, MIAMI, NY?. As long as a city becomes metropolitan, it changes hands from the original settlers. Aborigines in Australia were the original settlers in Brisbane yet they shied away from civilization. The world frowns only if the original settlers were axed or maimed in order to gain supremacy like they did in Illorin, Ibadan, United States, etc. Nobody owns a city, if you know who owns London, let me know. 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by AloyEmeka6: 3:13pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
No2Atheism:Was Tunde Idiagbon a dangerous man? |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by AloyEmeka6: 3:13pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
bilymuse:Tell them. |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by NegroNtns(m): 3:13pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Kano is owned by Hausas but ruled by Fulanis. 2 Likes |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by tubabie(f): 3:22pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Aloy~Emeka:Good, the emboldened part is what this discussion is about. The original settlers are not getting their due or are being ruled against their choice. In the light of this discussion, asking me who owns London is not a relevant question but have you tried making an Arab woman the queen in Windsor Castle and wait to see the reaction it would elicit? Then I guess your answer to your question about who owns a city, settlement or region will come up. 2 Likes |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by AloyEmeka6: 3:30pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
tubabie:What due do Yoruba want from ilorin that are being denied?. Leadership?. Every Nigeria is being ruled against his/her wish. Ilorin Yorubas suffer from identity crisis; some claim they are Yorubas while others claim they are not. If the oba is a Yoruba cultural institition, the ones that are Yorubas can elevate the institution for all I care. My problem is not with cultural institution, its with the govt. Nigeria will become a better place when a Yoruba man who lived for years in Imo state can become a governor and vice versa. the sarakis claim to be fulani and rule Kwara state, but I wouldn't care less if the gov is doing a good job. Think forward and not backwards. It will not be of any value to you if Saraki is doing a good job in Kwara yet you depose him in place of a Yoruba governor like Akala. What good will that be to you, your children and the society. If oba of ilorin or whatever they call it pays your kids school fees then go ahead and waste your energy fighting for a non fulani oba. Nonsense. |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by AloyEmeka6: 3:33pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
tpia@:Ethnicity is not seasonal. People can only have more than one ethnic id if they had genetic ties to those ethnic groups. You cannot be black as a young boy and turn around to be white as an adult. All these I am Yoruba today and igbo tomorrow and Fulani yesterday is political. Let the truth be told. 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by sjeezy8: 3:33pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Ilorin folks have different ethnicity and could play what ever they like just like some delta igbo, some say im igbo some say im delta igbo |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by tubabie(f): 3:43pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Aloy~Emeka:You know I understand your grouse with the governance in Nigeria but I think the thread is more about the cultural effects this has had on the people. Thinking forward , why would I not happily have Donald Duke has the governor of Plateau state as long as he is gonna perfom well? For your information am not from Ilorin and honestly do not care what Tunde Idiagbon was, I just want a better country. But we can not still turn a blind eye on the cultural imbalance that comes up when original settlers are made irrelevant in the grand scheme of things in their region. Infact they become irrelevant and cant effect changes of benefit to themselves. |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by Jakumo(m): 3:57pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Mr. Idiagbon was a brutal dictator who controlled his direct boss, Buhari-the-Dimwit, like a master puppeteer, but now, with great thanks to the Almighty Leveler, Idiagbon is a good dictator - a dead one, whose poisonous bones have been picked clean by worms six feet under. Good riddance to sub-human waste. 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by Remii(m): 4:00pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Jakumo: Everyone dies, including you and me, so do not speak bad of dead. 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by Jakumo(m): 4:13pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Remii: Death does not absolve anyone of responsibility for the evil they perpetrated while alive, as the families of those innocents who died in airless dungeons under the evil and despotic Buhari-Idiagbon regime will reaffirm to anyone who wants to know. Following your all-is-forgiven-when-you-die logic, you must regard Pol Pot of Cambodia, Idi Amin of Uganda and Adolph Hitler of Nazi Germany as a bunch of pleasant but misunderstood gentlemen whose only vice was that they loved killing human beings for sport. 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by NegroNtns(m): 4:19pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
You know Aloy, I think someone with your mindset and passion for a unified Nigeria is the kind of candidate we need to vote into office. I believe you are magnanimous in your ideals to a see a "One Nigeria" where individual merits and proven abilities are far more recognized and rewarded above tribal identity and sponsorships. However, this is all an ideal. You are ahead of your time. . .the cultural mindset on the ground and the maturity of trust across tribal lands is far too shallow to accomodate a grandeur vision as you plan. I continue to tell you this, for now and given what we have it's best to negotiate each other out of this unholy wedlock joined together by the UK. This is one union that I support tearing apart and assunder. It was not a best fit to begin with, it never was and never will be in forseeable future. We need to negotiate and compromise out of this mess. You go rule the Igbos. . . I will tell Osisi to make sure she rally support behind your nomination. Osisi ,my sister you dey hear me so? 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by NegroNtns(m): 4:21pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Jakumo, Stop that! Who are these people that Idiagbon killed unjustly? Tell me who they are. 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by Jakumo(m): 4:30pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Well Negro, if you expect me to list those who Buhari and Idiagbon herded into the Gulag for imaginary offences, you will have a very long wait indeed, for I am not about to rehash such recent history. The bereaved familes all know who was killed by those two despots, but they will never fathom why those mass murders were committed. I feel no obligation to educate anyone about Nigerian history, but I do reserve the right to make historical references when they are relevant, to counter the absurd denials of revisionists who glorify known monsters. |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by NegroNtns(m): 4:43pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Well, my friend, the reason I asked is simple. True, Idiagbon and Buahri regime had very tight rules and came down heavily with steelhands to steer the society aright. It was their belief that the society was very inefficient in its use of human resources. That laxity promoted corruption. To cut down on corruption, they initiated policies that will at best attempt to correct our lackadaisical attitude about our environments and the role we play in it. So they introduced community empowerement. Of course for people that lived under many generations of idleness, suddenly directing people to get engaged in civic responsibilities and using military edicts to enforce conformance would no doubt create resentment. So they were hated for forcing people to become more responsible in their localities and to expose corruption. Corrupt civil servants, civilians and even police and military personnels were arrested to clean up the landscape. In addition, they also were the first to pass edicts making it a punishable crime by death penalty if you were caught, tried and convicted of drug trafficking. So these people that were jailed and killed. . .they could very well be in the list of those who commited corrupion and crimes agaisnt society as defined under those SMC edicts at the time of Idiagbon. |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by Jakumo(m): 4:50pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Negro I have read and concurred with many of your posts in the past, but perhaps we can just agree to disagree on the subject of Buhari and Idiagbon. Whatever miniscule good they might have thought they were doing was overshadowed by the collateral damage to innocent lives during their reign of terror and mindless repression. They are both murderous baboons in my book, and I look forward to Buhari's own death the way a child anticipates Christmas. 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by NegroNtns(m): 5:09pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Well, I appreciate that and I thank you for sharing that with me. I find you very civil in our discussions and enjoy your viewpoints as well. I welcome dissents with my viewpoints on issues. I am interested in this angle because I recognize that I have blindspots and obviously you see this regime in ways that I do not. I respect the regime for whatthe two of they stood for. . .they were creative and bold and they exercised leadership in ways that many regimes before them or after did not dare explore. However, I am open to new facts and discoveries so I can clear my blindspots and renew my objectivity in the historical account so as not to appear biased inspite of factual recounts of events. Were there any military regime in Nigeria that was not guilty of the same accusation? They all had their skeletons some far worse than others. But if we create measures for performance and evaluate individual regimes based on that measure then what I am saying is that Buhari/Idiagbon regime will be in top three. 1 Like |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by KnowAll(m): 5:41pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
For those in support of the Buhari-Idiagbon regime, I need to remind you lot that Buhari still owes the nation an apology for snatching what is not his when the master of the house was slightly indispose. For someone to take part in such treacherous act only 18 years ago, and for him to disregard the magnitude of his offence, due to the penchant of Nigerians in playing mute in times of national crisis, is not one that should be overlooked, the masses are no one's fool. His arrogance in seeking and asking Nigerians to install him into a house as the master of the house he burgled not too long ago is the final slap on every Nigerian both old and young, born and un-born, does he think the maurading uthman dan fodio blood in him has giving him a license to do and undo, I am sure he would be giving a rude awakening and reminded that we are no more in the 18th century but in the 21st century. |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by AloyEmeka6: 8:54pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
tubabie:I am not advocating for us to erase history. History is there for all of us to learn positively and not to seek vengeance or cause more trouble. East, west, North and south are going through hell in Nigeria and what pains me most is the very few who perpetrate this act are not yet repentant. Lately, the oligarchs have formed Federal Republic of PDP to continue where they stopped. If you understand the Nairaland culture, you will know that Know2Atheism exhumed this 8 yr old article for a reason. He is not interested in Tunde Idiagbon, rather, he is more interested in the tribal scud missiles that will follow. People can coexist and practice their individual cultures as long as they don't infringe on other peoples rights. This Fulani supremacy in Illorin means nothing to me but a tool to brew another tribal war in Kwara state. You may not be from Kwara but if there is a civil unrest there, it will directly or indirectly affect you as long as you are Nigerian or from neighboring nations like Togo, Benin, etc. We are in a hot soup in Nigeria and suggestions to get out of this mess called Nigeria will be appreciated. |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by AloyEmeka6: 9:00pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Negro_Ntns:How do you expect to achieve success after divorce when the mindset of a typical Nigerian is 'us against them'?. Assuming you have Republic of Oduduwa today, don't you know there will be replications according to tribes within the same ethnic group?. Ife will not agree for modakeke to rule over them; Ijebu will swear for Egba; Akoko will swear for whomever they have Eshan, same in Biafra and Arewa republic. The division continues and until we dissociate our mindset from that ideology and accept freedom in its entirety, I am afraid we may be jumping from frying pan to fire. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by tpia5: 9:46pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Nobody owns a city, if you know who owns London, let me know so the English no longer own London?  because a battalion of foreigners live there? 3 Likes |
| Re: Tunde Idiagbon: Fulani Man Or Yoruba Man ? by tpia5: 9:46pm On Aug 30, 2009 |
Negro_Ntns: wetin person no go read for nairaland. 1 Like |
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