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The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 9:25pm On Jun 28, 2016
1. Noah’s ark was the provision by which forefathers of all mankind survived the global Deluge of 2370-2369 B.C.E. (See DELUGE; NOAH No. 1.) Detailed instructions were given to Noah by Jehovah as to its size, shape, design for light and ventilation, and materials to be used for its construction.— .
Design and Size. The ark (Heb., te·vahʹ; Gr., ki·bo·tosʹ ) was a rectangular chestlike vessel presumably having square corners and a flat bottom. It needed no rounded bottom or sharp bow to cut rapidly through the water; it required no steering; its only functions were to be watertight and to stay afloat. A vessel so shaped is very stable, cannot be easily capsized, and contains about one third more storage space than ships of conventional design. There was a door provided in the side of the ark for loading and unloading the cargo.
In size the ark was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high. Conservatively calculating the cubit as 44.5 cm (17.5 in.) (some think the ancient cubit was nearer 56 or 61 cm), the ark measured 133.5 m by 22.3 m by 13.4 m (437 ft 6 in. × 72 ft 11 in. × 43 ft 9 in.), less than half the length of the ocean liner Queen Elizabeth 2. This proportion of length to width (6 to 1) is used by modern naval architects. This gave the ark approximately 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) in gross volume. No known cargo vessel of ancient times even slightly resembled the ark in its colossal size. Internally strengthened by adding two floors, the three decks thus provided gave a total of about 8,900 sq m (96,000 sq ft) of space.
“You will make a tsoʹhar [roof; or, window] for the ark,” Noah was told. ( ) Just what this was or how it was constructed is not altogether clear. Some scholars think tsoʹhar is related to light and so they translate it “window” ( KJ, Mo ), “light” ( AS, JP), “a place for light” ( Ro). Others, however, associate tsoʹhar with a later Arabic root meaning “back (of the hand),” “back (of a beast),” “deck (of a ship),” that is, the part away from the ground or water, and for this reason translate it “roof.” ( AT, RS, JB) This tsoʹhar, Noah was told, was to be completed “to the extent of a cubit upward.”— .
It could be, therefore, that the tsoʹhar provided for adequate light and ventilation, not just a single cubit-square “peephole,” but an opening a cubit in height near the roof and extending around the four sides to give an opening of nearly 140 sq m (1,500 sq ft). On the other hand, while still allowing an ample opening for ventilation under the roof or elsewhere, the roof could have had slightly angled sides. Regarding this possibility James F. Armstrong wrote in Vetus Testamentum (Leiden, 1960, p. 333): “‘Unto a cubit upward you shall finish it’ is difficult to understand when sohar is translated either ‘light (= window)’ or even ‘(flat) roof’. If, however, a gable-type roof be postulated, the ‘one cubit upward’ can refer to the elevation of the crease of the roof above the level of the tops of the walls. In modern architectural terms, the ‘one cubit’ would be the height of the kingposts between which the ridgepiece is laid. . . . According to the argument that has been presented, the roof of Noah’s ark was conceived as having a four per-cent pitch (1 cubit elevation — 25 cubits from wall to ridge), quite adequate to permit the water of the rains to flow off.”
Of what this huge ark was to be built was made plain by Jehovah: “Make for yourself an ark out of wood of a resinous tree [literally, trees of gopher].” ( ) This resinous wood here prescribed is thought by some to be cypress or a similar tree. In that part of the world what today is called cypress was in abundant supply; it was particularly favored for shipbuilding by the Phoenicians and by Alexander the Great, as it is even down to the present time; and it is especially resistant to water and decay. Doors and posts made of cypress are reported to have lasted 1,100 years. In addition, Noah was told not merely to caulk the seams but to “cover [the ark] inside and outside with tar.”—See BITUMEN .
Ample Carrying Capacity. The passenger list of the ark was quite impressive. Besides Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives, living creatures “of every sort of flesh, two of each,” were to be taken aboard. “Male and female they will be. Of the flying creatures according to their kinds and of the domestic animals according to their kinds, of all moving animals of the ground according to their kinds, two of each will go in there to you to preserve them alive.” Of the clean beasts and fowls, seven of each kind were to be taken. A great quantity and variety of food for all these creatures, to last for more than a year, also had to be stowed away.— .
The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of human kind —short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah.
These estimates may seem too restrictive to some, especially since such sources as The Encyclopedia Americana indicate that there are upwards of 1,300,000 species of animals. (1977, Vol. 1, pp. 859-873) However, over 60 percent of these are insects. Breaking these figures down further, of the 24,000 amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals, 10,000 are birds, 9,000 are reptiles and amphibians, many of which could have survived outside the ark, and only 5,000 are mammals, including whales and porpoises, which would have also remained outside the ark. Other researchers estimate that there are only about 290 species of land mammals larger than sheep and about 1,360 smaller than rats. ( The Deluge Story in Stone, by B. C. Nelson, 1949, p. 156; The Flood in the Light of the Bible, Geology, and Archaeology, by A. M. Rehwinkel, 1957, p. 69) So, even if estimates are based on these expanded figures, the ark could easily have accommodated a pair of all these animals.
Five months after the Deluge began, “the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat,” not likely, however, atop the uppermost peak (nearly 5,165 m; 16,950 ft), but on suitable terrain where everyone aboard lived comfortably for some months more. Finally, after a year and ten days from the time the Deluge began, the door again was opened and all aboard disembarked.— .
Claims that remains of the ark have been found are as yet unconfirmed.
2. The small chest in which Jochebed concealed her three-month-old “good-looking” baby later named Moses, and which was found by Pharaoh’s daughter among the reeds by the bank of the Nile. This ark or chest (Heb., te·vahʹ ) was made of papyrus and was waterproofed with a coating of bitumen and pitch.— , ftn; .
3. The container made of acacia wood in which the second set of stone tablets of the Law given Moses on Mount Sinai were temporarily kept until the ark of the testimony was constructed some months later.

Ge 6:14-16
Ge 6:16
Ge 6:16
Ge 6:14
Ge 6:18-21; 7:2, 3
Ge 7:11; 8:4, 14
Ex 2:2-4, 10 6:20
De 10:1-5
Deuteronomy 10:1-5 Ge 50:26


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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by chistev12(m): 9:54pm On Jun 28, 2016
I have always loved the witnesses
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Nobody: 10:41pm On Jun 28, 2016
This Didn't Answer Any Of The Atheist Questions

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 4:25am On Jun 29, 2016
Lilbrown007:
This Didn't Answer Any Of The Atheist Questions

most of the questions are answered. read between lines
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 4:32am On Jun 29, 2016
DELUGE
The catastrophic destruction of men and animals by an overwhelming flood in the days of Noah, 2370 B.C.E. This greatest cataclysm in all human history was sent by Jehovah because wicked men had filled the earth with violence. The survival of righteous Noah and his family, eight souls in all, together with selected animals, was by means of a huge ark, or chest.— ; see ARK No. 1; NOAH No. 1.
Extent of the Deluge. This was no local flash flood or cloudburst. In fact, the Greek word used in the Bible to refer to the Flood, or Deluge, is ka·ta·kly·smosʹ, a cataclysm. ( , ftn) Local floods come and go in a matter of days; this one lasted over a year, the greater portion of which was required for the water to subside. How unreasonable to believe that Noah spent perhaps 50 years building a huge vessel of approximately 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) for the survival of his family and a few animals through a mere local flood! If only a comparatively small area was affected, why the need of bringing into the ark specimens of “every living creature of every sort of flesh” in order to “preserve offspring alive on the surface of the entire earth”? ( ) Definitely this was a global deluge, the like of which had never occurred before nor has since. “The waters overwhelmed the earth so greatly that all the tall mountains that were under the whole heavens came to be covered. Up to fifteen cubits [c. 6.5 m; 22 ft] the waters overwhelmed them and the mountains became covered.” ( ) “The end of all flesh has come before me,” Jehovah said, hence “I will wipe every existing thing that I have made off the surface of the ground.” And it was just so. “Everything in which the breath of the force of life was active in its nostrils, namely, all that were on the dry ground, died . . . only Noah and those who were with him in the ark kept on surviving.”— .
Timing of the Deluge. The Deluge did not come suddenly without warning. Years of time were spent building the ark, time that Noah the “preacher of righteousness” also used in warning that wicked generation. ( ) Finally the time limit was up “in the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month.” The “male and female of every sort of flesh” had been brought into the ark with Noah’s family, as well as a sufficient food supply for all, and “after that Jehovah shut the door.” Then “the floodgates of the heavens were opened.” ( ) There was an incessant torrential downpour for “forty days and forty nights”; “the waters continued overwhelming the earth” a hundred and fifty days. ( ) Five months after the downpour began, the ark “came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.” ( ) It was nearly two and a half months later before “the tops of the mountains appeared” ( ), another three months before Noah removed the ark’s covering to see that the earth had practically drained ( ), and nearly two months later when the door was opened and the survivors set foot on dry ground once again.— .
Noah and his family entered the ark in the 600th year of Noah’s life, the 2nd month (October-November), the 17th day. ( ) One year later (a year consisting of 360 days) was the 17th day, 2nd month, 601st year. Ten days after that would be the 27th day of the 2nd month, when they came out; a total of 370 days, or parts of 371 separate days, spent in the ark. ( ) In the log that Noah kept, it appears he used months of 30 days each, 12 of them equaling 360 days. In this way he avoided all the complicated fractions involved had he used strictly lunar months consisting of slightly more than 29 1⁄2 days. That such calculations were used in the account is evident from the fact that a five-month period consisted of 150 days.— .
The Floodwaters. It has been said that if all the moisture in the atmosphere were suddenly released as rain it would not amount to even a couple of inches if spread over the earth’s surface. So from what source was this vast deluge of Noah’s day? According to the Genesis account, God said to Noah: “Here I [Jehovah] am bringing the deluge [or, “heavenly ocean”; Heb., mab·bulʹ ] of waters upon the earth.” ( , ftn) Describing what happened, the next chapter says: “All the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.” ( ) So overwhelming was the Deluge that “all the tall mountains that were under the whole heavens came to be covered.”— .
Where did this “heavenly ocean” come from? The Genesis account of creation tells how on the second “day” Jehovah made an expanse about the earth, and this expanse (called “Heaven”) formed a division between the waters below it, that is, the oceans, and the waters above it. ( ) The waters suspended above the expanse evidently remained there from the second “day” of creation until the Flood. This is what the apostle Peter was talking about when he recounted that there “were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God.” Those “heavens” and the waters above and beneath them were the means that God’s word called into operation, and “by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water.” ( ) Various explanations have been offered as to how the water was held aloft until the Flood and as to the processes that resulted in its falling. But these are only speculative. The Bible says simply that God made the expanse with waters above it and that he brought the Deluge. His almighty power could easily accomplish it.
Since, as the Genesis account says, “all the tall mountains” were covered with water, where is all that water now? Evidently it is right here on the earth. It is believed that there was a time when the oceans were smaller and the continents were larger than they are now, as is evidenced by river channels extending far out under the oceans. It should also be noted that scientists have stated that mountains in the past were much lower than at present, and some mountains have even been pushed up from under the seas. As to the present situation, it is said that “there is ten times as much water by volume in the ocean as there is land above sea level. Dump all this land evenly into the sea, and water would cover the entire earth, one and one-half miles deep.” ( National Geographic , January 1945, p. 105) So, after the floodwaters fell, but before the raising of mountains and the lowering of seabeds and before the buildup of polar ice caps, there was more than enough water to cover “all the tall mountains,” as the inspired record says.— .
Effect on the Earth. With the Deluge great changes came, for example, the life span of humans dropped very rapidly. Some have suggested that prior to the Flood the waters above the expanse shielded out some of the harmful radiation and that, with the waters gone, cosmic radiation genetically harmful to man increased. However, the Bible is silent on the matter. Incidentally, any change in radiation would have altered the rate of formation of radioactive carbon-14 to such an extent as to invalidate all radiocarbon dates prior to the Flood.
With the sudden opening of the ‘springs of the watery deep’ and “the floodgates of the heavens,” untold billions of tons of water deluged the earth. ( ) This may have caused tremendous changes in earth’s surface. The earth’s crust, which is relatively thin and varied in thickness, is stretched over a rather plastic mass thousands of kilometers in diameter. Hence, under the added weight of the water, there was likely a great shifting in the crust. In time new mountains evidently were thrust upward, old mountains rose to new heights, shallow sea basins were deepened, and new shorelines were established, with the result that now about 70 percent of the surface is covered with water. This shifting in the earth’s crust may account for many geologic phenomena, such as the raising of old coastlines to new heights. It has been estimated by some that water pressures alone were equal to “2 tons per square inch,” sufficient to fossilize fauna and flora quickly.—See The Biblical Flood and the Ice Epoch, by D. Patten, 1966, p. 62.
What evidence proves that there truly was a global deluge?
Other possible evidence of a drastic change: Remains of mammoths and rhinoceroses have been found in different parts of the earth. Some of these were found in Siberian cliffs; others were preserved in Siberian and Alaskan ice. (PICTURE, Vol. 1, p. 328) In fact, some were found with food undigested in their stomachs or still unchewed in their teeth, indicating that they died suddenly. It is estimated, from the trade in ivory tusks, that bones of tens of thousands of such mammoths have been found. The fossil remains of many other animals, such as lions, tigers, bears, and elk, have been found in common strata, which may indicate that all of these were destroyed simultaneously. Some have pointed to such finds as definite physical proof of a rapid change in climate and sudden destruction caused by a universal flood. Others, however, favor explanations for the death of these animals that do not involve an earth-wide catastrophe. Proof that the Flood occurred is not dependent on such fossils and frozen animal remains.
Flood Legends. Such a cataclysm as the Deluge, which washed the whole world of that time out of existence, would never be forgotten by the survivors. They would talk about it to their children and their children’s children. For 500 years after the Deluge, Shem lived on to relate the event to many generations. He died only ten years before the birth of Jacob. Moses preserved the true account in Genesis. Sometime after the Flood, when God-defying people built the Tower of Babel, Jehovah confused their language and scattered them “over all the surface of the earth.” ( ) It was only natural that these people took with them stories of the Flood and passed them on from father to son. The fact that there are not merely a few but perhaps hundreds of different stories about that great Deluge, and that such stories are found among the traditions of many primitive races the world over, is a strong proof that all these people had a common origin and that their early forefathers shared that Flood experience in common.—CHART, Vol. 1, p. 328.
These folklore accounts of the Deluge agree with some major features of the Biblical account: (1) a place of refuge for a few survivors, (2) an otherwise global destruction of life by water, and (3) a seed of mankind preserved. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Druids of Britain, the Polynesians, the Eskimos and Greenlanders, the Africans, the Hindus, and the American Indians—all of these have their Flood stories. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (Vol. 2, p. 319) states: “Flood stories have been discovered among nearly all nations and tribes. Though most common on the Asian mainland and the islands immediately south of it and on the North American continent, they have been found on all the continents. Totals of the number of stories known run as high as about 270 . . . The universality of the flood accounts is usually taken as evidence for the universal destruction of humanity by a flood and the spread of the human race from one locale and even from one family. Though the traditions may not all refer to the same flood, apparently the vast majority do. The assertion that many of these flood stories came from contacts with missionaries will not stand up because most of them were gathered by anthropologists not interested in vindicating the Bible, and they are filled with fanciful and pagan elements evidently the result of transmission for extended periods of time in a pagan society. Moreover, some of the ancient accounts were written by people very much in opposition to the Hebrew-Christian tradition.”—Edited by G. Bromiley, 1982.
In times past, certain primitive people (in Australia, Egypt, Fiji, Society Islands, Peru, Mexico, and other places) preserved a possible remnant of these traditions about the Flood by observing in November a ‘Feast of Ancestors’ or a ‘Festival of the Dead.’ Such customs reflected a memory of the destruction caused by the Deluge. According to the book Life and Work at the Great Pyramid, the festival in Mexico was held on the 17th of November because they “had a tradition that at that time the world had been previously destroyed; and they dreaded lest a similar catastrophe would, at the end of a cycle, annihilate the human race.” (By Professor C. Piazzi Smyth, Edinburgh, 1867, Vol. II, pp. 390, 391) Notes the book
The Worship of the Dead: “This festival [of the dead] is . . . held by all on or about the very day on which, according to the Mosaic account, the Deluge took place, viz., the seventeenth day of the second month—the month nearly corresponding with our November.” (By J. Garnier, London, 1904, p. 4) Interestingly, the Bible reports that the Flood began “in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month.” ( ) That “second month” corresponds to the latter part of October and the first part of November on our calendar.
Scriptural Confirmation. Stronger evidence of the historicalness of the Deluge than the pagan traditions of primitive people is the endorsement other Bible writers gave under inspiration. The only other place where the same Hebrew word ( mab·bulʹ, deluge) occurs outside the Genesis account is in David’s melody where he describes Jehovah as seated “upon the deluge.” ( ) However, other writers make reference to and confirm the Genesis account, as, for example, Isaiah. ( ) Ezekiel also endorses the historicity of Noah. ( ) Peter draws heavily upon the Deluge account in his letters. (
) Paul testifies to the great faith Noah displayed in constructing the ark for the survival of his household. ( ) Luke lists Noah in the lineage of Messiah’s forebears.
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Even more significant is what Jesus said about the days of the Deluge, as recorded by both Luke and Matthew. Far more than just a simple endorsement of the veracity of the Deluge account, Jesus’ words show the pictorial and prophetic significance of those ancient events. In answer to the disciples’ question, “What will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?” Jesus said, among other things: “For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark; and they took no note until the flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be.” ( ) There is, therefore, abundant evidence from the inspired Holy Scriptures themselves to support the authenticity and genuineness of the Deluge account. It does not rest on mere traditions of men, on the folklore of primitive people, or on geologic and archaeological findings.
Ge 6:9–9:19; 1Pe 3:20


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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Antiparticle(m): 7:44am On Jun 29, 2016
OP, what's with the copy and paste article na? Why not on your own write a response that directly addresses and/or refutes @Hardmirror's thread?
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by HardMirror(m): 8:14am On Jun 29, 2016
This is why I love Jehovah withnesses

Well written. BUT!
This are just maneuvers to make it look real.

1. How could Noah have built such an ark?

2. You say there are only 1,3million species of animals. This is not true. The list you gave above are FAMILIES. Elephants alone have 5 different species. Cheetahs have about 4 species, you mentioned Amphibians. Frogs are just one of the over 20,000 amphibians and frogs alone have hundreds of species all very different from each other. So by the time we consider salamanders and other amphibians you will see that we have far more than 20,000 you mentioned.

ALSO don't forget they were in pairs and some where in 7 pairs (14 animals) for each specie. All birds where in 7 pairs that is 14 birds for each specie. So at the end we have over 20 million animals going into the ark.


3. You say the ark did not land at the very top of mt. Ararat which is 5,100 meters high. That is not a contention. All I am sure of is the bible making it very clear that the waters covered all the mountains in the world. (Let us not twist facts). It probably made this claim so that we won't think anyone was able to climb to the top and survive. So the whole world was flooded and all mountains were covered including ararat.

How does this answer where we got
4.5billion cubic kilometers of water extra when the whole earth only contains 1.3billion cubic kilometers of water?

How did all the animals squeeze into the ark?

How did they not suffocate?

How were their waste manage

How were they fed?

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Nobody: 9:38am On Jun 29, 2016
joyandfaith:


most of the questions are answered. read between lines
How Did Kangaroo Get From Australia To Middle East??

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by davien(m): 10:53am On Jun 29, 2016
DAMAGE CONTROL ON NOAH'S FLOOD

1. Reduce the number of animals.

2. Make the ark look big by contrasting with something small.

3. Stating obvious facts then tagging therefore the ark was easy

4. Re-invent your own version of reality where carnivores are herbivores to avoid cannibalism in the ark.

5. Claim the measurements where not the same ones we understand today.

6. The animals were babies so they could easily fit in..

7. The animals hibernated so none could eat each other..

8. Make ark construction easier by siting that ancient Egyptians built pyramids with unknown techniques...

9. Make the water level smaller by ignoring or deliberately lying that mount everest didn't exist then..

10. Put your fingers in your ears and eyes and pray the facts away or simply insult human thinking in general since it goes against the story.

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 6:20pm On Jun 29, 2016
it is not necessary species of animals be on board. Bible says every kind of animal. kind could be order or family. for example tiger and lion can inter breed and produce various breeds or species. aquatic animals were not brought inside ark. many insects could have survived outside ark. Since God is creator of universe he could have prevented carnivores to eat herbivores.

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Nobody: 10:13pm On Jun 29, 2016
joyandfaith:
it is not necessary species of animals be on board. Bible says every kind of animal. kind could be order or family. for example tiger and lion can inter breed and produce various breeds or species. aquatic animals were not brought inside ark. many insects could have survived outside ark. Since God is creator of universe he could have prevented carnivores to eat herbivores.
Did U Just Say Produce Various Breeds?? IN less Than 6000years??

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Image123(m): 12:25am On Jun 30, 2016
HardMirror:
This is why I love Jehovah withnesses

Well written. BUT!
This are just maneuvers to make it look real.

1. How could Noah have built such an ark?

2. You say there are only 1,3million species of animals. This is not true. The list you gave above are FAMILIES. Elephants alone have 5 different species. Cheetahs have about 4 species, you mentioned Amphibians. Frogs are just one of the over 20,000 amphibians and frogs alone have hundreds of species all very different from each other. So by the time we consider salamanders and other amphibians you will see that we have far more than 20,000 you mentioned.

ALSO don't forget they were in pairs and some where in 7 pairs (14 animals) for each specie. All birds where in 7 pairs that is 14 birds for each specie. So at the end we have over 20 million animals going into the ark.


3. You say the ark did not land at the very top of mt. Ararat which is 5,100 meters high. That is not a contention. All I am sure of is the bible making it very clear that the waters covered all the mountains in the world. (Let us not twist facts). It probably made this claim so that we won't think anyone was able to climb to the top and survive. So the whole world was flooded and all mountains were covered including ararat.

How does this answer where we got
4.5billion cubic kilometers of water extra when the whole earth only contains 1.3billion cubic kilometers of water?

How did all the animals squeeze into the ark?

How did they not suffocate?

How were their waste manage

How were they fed?


Lol, the JW are an intellect based organisation, not a faith based organisation. Anything their brain cannot carry or understand, they do not accept or believe. That is why they do not believe many things and they do not believe in miracles etc. They cannot defend the Faith as it were, or contend for the faith. They can however do what they know best, reason. They teach them that from childhood. Most other churches teach themselves to have faith as it were, not actually reasoning as a priority. The balance is recommended though. If you side the JWs, sorry you are on a very very long long journey far away from what you seek. Enough said already.

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 9:24am On Jun 30, 2016
Image123:


Lol, the JW are an intellect based organisation, not a faith based organisation. Anything their brain cannot carry or understand, they do not accept or believe. That is why they do not believe many things and they do not believe in miracles etc. They cannot defend the Faith as it were, or contend for the faith. They can however do what they know best, reason. They teach them that from childhood. Most other churches teach themselves to have faith as it were, not actually reasoning as a priority. The balance is recommended though. If you side the JWs, sorry you are on a very very long long journey far away from what you seek. Enough said already.

you are wrong. jw is a faith based organization. jw believe in miracles recorded in Bible but do not believe the so-called miracles of many churches today. there is biblical basis for that. Faith does not mean believing in anything without reasoning. in fact bible encourages reasoning. jw are dogmatic about their beliefs.


Are Faith and Reason Incompatible?
“FAITH is a negation of reason,” writes British philosopher A. C. Grayling. His words sum up the feelings of countless writers and philosophers who over the centuries have claimed that faith and reason are incompatible.
Some religious beliefs do fly in the face of all reason. But consider this: Many strongly held scientific beliefs have proved to be wrong. Does that mean that all scientific beliefs are wrong or are not based on reason? Why view religious beliefs any differently? In fact, the faith described in the Bible does not exist without knowledge but is, instead, solidly based on knowledge and sound reason. As you review the evidence, see how true faith and reason are compatible.
Faith Firmly Based on Reason
The Bible says, for example, that if your worship is to be “acceptable to God,” it must be “a sacred service with your power of reason.” In other words, you must worship God “in a way that is worthy of thinking beings.” ( ; The Jerusalem Bible) So the faith described in the Bible is not something blind and irrational, or a leap of faith, as some have called it. And it is not credulity. Rather, it is something you have thought through carefully—resulting in trust in God and his Word, which is firmly based on reason.
Of course, if you are to reason properly, you need accurate information. Even the most powerful computer programs designed on solid principles of logic will come up with some very strange conclusions if they are fed inaccurate data. Likewise, the quality of your faith will depend greatly on what you hear or on how dependable the information you feed your mind proves to be. Appropriately, the Bible says that “faith follows the thing heard.”—
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A fundamental requirement for faith is “an accurate knowledge of truth.” ( ) Only “the truth,” says the Bible, “will set you free,” free from misleading beliefs, whether they are scientific or religious. ( ) The Bible warns you not to put faith “in every word.” ( ) Rather, it says that you should “make sure of all things”—or test out the things you hear before believing them. ( ) Why should you do research and test out your beliefs? Because faith based on falsehood is only a delusion. Some noble-minded people from the ancient city of Beroea set a fine example in acquiring proper faith. Even though these individuals really wanted to believe what Christian missionaries taught them, they made a point of “carefully examining the Scriptures daily as to whether these things were so.”— .
Building Faith in the Bible
What, though, if you are unsure of the reliability of the Bible? How can you build your confidence in it as a source of accurate knowledge? Well, how do you build your confidence in people? Surely, it is by getting to know them—by watching how they behave over a period of time and seeing how their conduct turns out. Why not do the same with the Bible?
The Bible describes true faith as “the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” ( ) Clearly, far from being naive, a person with real faith has based his beliefs on a careful scrutiny of all available data. Reasoning on such information produces the conviction that even things that cannot be seen with the literal eye are, nonetheless, realities.
What, though, if what you learn seems to contradict some of your deeply held beliefs? Should you just ignore it? Of course not. There may well be times when it is eminently reasonable to consider powerful evidence that appears to contradict what you believe. In the Bible, God promises to reward sincere individuals who search for truth by granting them knowledge, discernment, and thinking ability.— .
The kind of faith built on what the Bible teaches is compatible with reason. What kind of faith do you have? Many people have “inherited” their religious beliefs and have never seriously examined them in the light of reason. Yet, it is not a sign of disrespect to examine what you believe so as to ‘prove to yourself’ that your thinking is in harmony with God’s Word. ( ) The Bible admonishes us to “test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God.” ( ) If you do that, you will be in a position, even when your beliefs are challenged, to “make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for your hope. 1 pet 3:15

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 9:25am On Jun 30, 2016
Lilbrown007:
Did U Just Say Produce Various Breeds?? IN less Than 6000years??

you need to do more research. i will cite some scientific publication soon.
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 9:45am On Jun 30, 2016
Lilbrown007:

How Did Kangaroo Get From Australia To Middle East??

do you know geography of world before flood?
do you know extent of land mass humans were living before the flood?
do you know population of world before flood?
Archaelogists have proved there was a great flood covered earth sometimes ago?
it is now left for you to believe biblical account or not.


What evidence proves that there truly was a global deluge?
Other possible evidence of a drastic change: Remains of mammoths and rhinoceroses have been found in different parts of the earth. Some of these were found in Siberian cliffs; others were preserved in Siberian and Alaskan ice. (PICTURE, Vol. 1, p. 328) In fact, some were found with food undigested in their stomachs or still unchewed in their teeth, indicating that they died suddenly. It is estimated, from the trade in ivory tusks, that bones of tens of thousands of such mammoths have been found. The fossil remains of many other animals, such as lions, tigers, bears, and elk, have been found in common strata, which may indicate that all of these were destroyed simultaneously. Some have pointed to such finds as definite physical proof of a rapid change in climate and sudden destruction caused by a universal flood. Others, however, favor explanations for the death of these animals that do not involve an earth-wide catastrophe. Proof that the Flood occurred is not dependent on such fossils and frozen animal remains.
Flood Legends. Such a cataclysm as the Deluge, which washed the whole world of that time out of existence, would never be forgotten by the survivors. They would talk about it to their children and their children’s children. For 500 years after the Deluge, Shem lived on to relate the event to many generations. He died only ten years before the birth of Jacob. Moses preserved the true account in Genesis. Sometime after the Flood, when God-defying people built the Tower of Babel, Jehovah confused their language and scattered them “over all the surface of the earth.” ( ) It was only natural that these people took with them stories of the Flood and passed them on from father to son. The fact that there are not merely a few but perhaps hundreds of different stories about that great Deluge, and that such stories are found among the traditions of many primitive races the world over, is a strong proof that all these people had a common origin and that their early forefathers shared that Flood experience in common.
These folklore accounts of the Deluge agree with some major features of the Biblical account: (1) a place of refuge for a few survivors, (2) an otherwise global destruction of life by water, and (3) a seed of mankind preserved. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Druids of Britain, the Polynesians, the Eskimos and Greenlanders, the Africans, the Hindus, and the American Indians—all of these have their Flood stories. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (Vol. 2, p. 319) states: “Flood stories have been discovered among nearly all nations and tribes. Though most common on the Asian mainland and the islands immediately south of it and on the North American continent, they have been found on all the continents. Totals of the number of stories known run as high as about 270 . . . The universality of the flood accounts is usually taken as evidence for the universal destruction of humanity by a flood and the spread of the human race from one locale and even from one family. Though the traditions may not all refer to the same flood, apparently the vast majority do. The assertion that many of these flood stories came from contacts with missionaries will not stand up because most of them were gathered by anthropologists not interested in vindicating the Bible, and they are filled with fanciful and pagan elements evidently the result of transmission for extended periods of time in a pagan society. Moreover, some of the ancient accounts were written by people very much in opposition to the Hebrew-Christian tradition.”—Edited by G. Bromiley, 1982.
In times past, certain primitive people (in Australia, Egypt, Fiji, Society Islands, Peru, Mexico, and other places) preserved a possible remnant of these traditions about the Flood by observing in November a ‘Feast of Ancestors’ or a ‘Festival of the Dead.’ Such customs reflected a memory of the destruction caused by the Deluge. According to the book Life and Work at the Great Pyramid, the festival in Mexico was held on the 17th of November because they “had a tradition that at that time the world had been previously destroyed; and they dreaded lest a similar catastrophe would, at the end of a cycle, annihilate the human race.” (By Professor C. Piazzi Smyth, Edinburgh, 1867, Vol. II, pp. 390, 391) Notes the book
The Worship of the Dead: “This festival [of the dead] is . . . held by all on or about the very day on which, according to the Mosaic account, the Deluge took place, viz., the seventeenth day of the second month—the month nearly corresponding with our November.” (By J. Garnier, London, 1904, p. 4) Interestingly, the Bible reports that the Flood began “in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month.” ( ) That “second month” corresponds to the latter part of October and the first part of November on our calendar.



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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Nobody: 1:52pm On Jun 30, 2016
joyandfaith:


do you know geography of world before flood?
do you know extent of land mass humans were living before the flood?
do you know population of world before flood?
Archaelogists have proved there was a great flood covered earth sometimes ago?
it is now left for you to believe biblical account or not.


What evidence proves that there truly was a global deluge?
Other possible evidence of a drastic change: Remains of mammoths and rhinoceroses have been found in different parts of the earth. Some of these were found in Siberian cliffs; others were preserved in Siberian and Alaskan ice. (PICTURE, Vol. 1, p. 328) In fact, some were found with food undigested in their stomachs or still unchewed in their teeth, indicating that they died suddenly. It is estimated, from the trade in ivory tusks, that bones of tens of thousands of such mammoths have been found. The fossil remains of many other animals, such as lions, tigers, bears, and elk, have been found in common strata, which may indicate that all of these were destroyed simultaneously. Some have pointed to such finds as definite physical proof of a rapid change in climate and sudden destruction caused by a universal flood. Others, however, favor explanations for the death of these animals that do not involve an earth-wide catastrophe. Proof that the Flood occurred is not dependent on such fossils and frozen animal remains.
Flood Legends. Such a cataclysm as the Deluge, which washed the whole world of that time out of existence, would never be forgotten by the survivors. They would talk about it to their children and their children’s children. For 500 years after the Deluge, Shem lived on to relate the event to many generations. He died only ten years before the birth of Jacob. Moses preserved the true account in Genesis. Sometime after the Flood, when God-defying people built the Tower of Babel, Jehovah confused their language and scattered them “over all the surface of the earth.” ( ) It was only natural that these people took with them stories of the Flood and passed them on from father to son. The fact that there are not merely a few but perhaps hundreds of different stories about that great Deluge, and that such stories are found among the traditions of many primitive races the world over, is a strong proof that all these people had a common origin and that their early forefathers shared that Flood experience in common.
These folklore accounts of the Deluge agree with some major features of the Biblical account: (1) a place of refuge for a few survivors, (2) an otherwise global destruction of life by water, and (3) a seed of mankind preserved. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Druids of Britain, the Polynesians, the Eskimos and Greenlanders, the Africans, the Hindus, and the American Indians—all of these have their Flood stories. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (Vol. 2, p. 319) states: “Flood stories have been discovered among nearly all nations and tribes. Though most common on the Asian mainland and the islands immediately south of it and on the North American continent, they have been found on all the continents. Totals of the number of stories known run as high as about 270 . . . The universality of the flood accounts is usually taken as evidence for the universal destruction of humanity by a flood and the spread of the human race from one locale and even from one family. Though the traditions may not all refer to the same flood, apparently the vast majority do. The assertion that many of these flood stories came from contacts with missionaries will not stand up because most of them were gathered by anthropologists not interested in vindicating the Bible, and they are filled with fanciful and pagan elements evidently the result of transmission for extended periods of time in a pagan society. Moreover, some of the ancient accounts were written by people very much in opposition to the Hebrew-Christian tradition.”—Edited by G. Bromiley, 1982.
In times past, certain primitive people (in Australia, Egypt, Fiji, Society Islands, Peru, Mexico, and other places) preserved a possible remnant of these traditions about the Flood by observing in November a ‘Feast of Ancestors’ or a ‘Festival of the Dead.’ Such customs reflected a memory of the destruction caused by the Deluge. According to the book Life and Work at the Great Pyramid, the festival in Mexico was held on the 17th of November because they “had a tradition that at that time the world had been previously destroyed; and they dreaded lest a similar catastrophe would, at the end of a cycle, annihilate the human race.” (By Professor C. Piazzi Smyth, Edinburgh, 1867, Vol. II, pp. 390, 391) Notes the book
The Worship of the Dead: “This festival [of the dead] is . . . held by all on or about the very day on which, according to the Mosaic account, the Deluge took place, viz., the seventeenth day of the second month—the month nearly corresponding with our November.” (By J. Garnier, London, 1904, p. 4) Interestingly, the Bible reports that the Flood began “in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month.” ( ) That “second month” corresponds to the latter part of October and the first part of November on our calendar.



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Still Not Making Any Sense At All U Know Cause U Ain't Using Ur Brain!!! All U Do Is Copy And Paste And What U Are Pasting Doesn't Even Mk Sense
1)NO Doubt They Was A Flood But Was It World Wide?? Hell no!!
2)they Are No Fossils Of Kangaroo In The Middle East At All!!
3)What Of The Peguines??
4)What Of Fresh Water Fish??
5)After The Flood Were Did They Get Food To Eat??

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by nnofaith: 2:11pm On Jun 30, 2016
why do people take stuff that happen to jews as universal truth? how could it have been possible that only one jew named Noah and is family were righteous on earth? The Noah story is just another myth with no evidence to back it up. if yaweh was serious and he wanted this story to be believable he would have preserved Noah's arch to serve as testimony and as incontrovertible evidence. think about it all bible claims are nnever backed up by evidence, something rather convinient happens to the evidence;
Tower of Babel, no evidence
Noah's arch, no evidence
Ten commandment tablets, no evidence
arch of convenant, no evidence

you are free to add to the list.

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Nobody: 2:17pm On Jun 30, 2016
joyandfaith:


do you know geography of world before flood?
do you know extent of land mass humans were living before the flood?
do you know population of world before flood?
Archaelogists have proved there was a great flood covered earth sometimes ago?
it is now left for you to believe biblical account or not.


What evidence proves that there truly was a global deluge?
Other possible evidence of a drastic change: Remains of mammoths and rhinoceroses have been found in different parts of the earth. Some of these were found in Siberian cliffs; others were preserved in Siberian and Alaskan ice. (PICTURE, Vol. 1, p. 328) In fact, some were found with food undigested in their stomachs or still unchewed in their teeth, indicating that they died suddenly. It is estimated, from the trade in ivory tusks, that bones of tens of thousands of such mammoths have been found. The fossil remains of many other animals, such as lions, tigers, bears, and elk, have been found in common strata, which may indicate that all of these were destroyed simultaneously. Some have pointed to such finds as definite physical proof of a rapid change in climate and sudden destruction caused by a universal flood. Others, however, favor explanations for the death of these animals that do not involve an earth-wide catastrophe. Proof that the Flood occurred is not dependent on such fossils and frozen animal remains.
Flood Legends. Such a cataclysm as the Deluge, which washed the whole world of that time out of existence, would never be forgotten by the survivors. They would talk about it to their children and their children’s children. For 500 years after the Deluge, Shem lived on to relate the event to many generations. He died only ten years before the birth of Jacob. Moses preserved the true account in Genesis. Sometime after the Flood, when God-defying people built the Tower of Babel, Jehovah confused their language and scattered them “over all the surface of the earth.” ( ) It was only natural that these people took with them stories of the Flood and passed them on from father to son. The fact that there are not merely a few but perhaps hundreds of different stories about that great Deluge, and that such stories are found among the traditions of many primitive races the world over, is a strong proof that all these people had a common origin and that their early forefathers shared that Flood experience in common.
These folklore accounts of the Deluge agree with some major features of the Biblical account: (1) a place of refuge for a few survivors, (2) an otherwise global destruction of life by water, and (3) a seed of mankind preserved. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Druids of Britain, the Polynesians, the Eskimos and Greenlanders, the Africans, the Hindus, and the American Indians—all of these have their Flood stories. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (Vol. 2, p. 319) states: “Flood stories have been discovered among nearly all nations and tribes. Though most common on the Asian mainland and the islands immediately south of it and on the North American continent, they have been found on all the continents. Totals of the number of stories known run as high as about 270 . . . The universality of the flood accounts is usually taken as evidence for the universal destruction of humanity by a flood and the spread of the human race from one locale and even from one family. Though the traditions may not all refer to the same flood, apparently the vast majority do. The assertion that many of these flood stories came from contacts with missionaries will not stand up because most of them were gathered by anthropologists not interested in vindicating the Bible, and they are filled with fanciful and pagan elements evidently the result of transmission for extended periods of time in a pagan society. Moreover, some of the ancient accounts were written by people very much in opposition to the Hebrew-Christian tradition.”—Edited by G. Bromiley, 1982.
In times past, certain primitive people (in Australia, Egypt, Fiji, Society Islands, Peru, Mexico, and other places) preserved a possible remnant of these traditions about the Flood by observing in November a ‘Feast of Ancestors’ or a ‘Festival of the Dead.’ Such customs reflected a memory of the destruction caused by the Deluge. According to the book Life and Work at the Great Pyramid, the festival in Mexico was held on the 17th of November because they “had a tradition that at that time the world had been previously destroyed; and they dreaded lest a similar catastrophe would, at the end of a cycle, annihilate the human race.” (By Professor C. Piazzi Smyth, Edinburgh, 1867, Vol. II, pp. 390, 391) Notes the book
The Worship of the Dead: “This festival [of the dead] is . . . held by all on or about the very day on which, according to the Mosaic account, the Deluge took place, viz., the seventeenth day of the second month—the month nearly corresponding with our November.” (By J. Garnier, London, 1904, p. 4) Interestingly, the Bible reports that the Flood began “in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month.” ( ) That “second month” corresponds to the latter part of October and the first part of November on our calendar.



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i certainly read some of your posts, but as it goes(grass can never become cassava)no matter how much you post it still doesnt change the fact that the bible opinion of an ark is a flawed one ,that was not properly copied from other stories so as it stand now a flood may have happened but not the flood you think of or read in your bible.

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Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 3:09pm On Jun 30, 2016
Lilbrown007:
Still Not Making Any Sense At All U Know Cause U Ain't Using Ur Brain!!! All U Do Is Copy And Paste And What U Are Pasting Doesn't Even Mk Sense
1)NO Doubt They Was A Flood But Was It World Wide?? Hell no!!
2)they Are No Fossils Of Kangaroo In The Middle East At All!!
3)What Of The Peguines??
4)What Of Fresh Water Fish??
5)After The Flood Were Did They Get Food To Eat??

can u back ur claims with any scientific papers? no
is science reliable? no
i am not expecting what i wrote to make sense to you becaus you guys are fault finders.
you think science has answers to all questions?
answer my question what is the geography of the world before flood?
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 3:13pm On Jun 30, 2016
stephenmorris:
i certainly read some of your posts, but as it goes(grass can never become cassava)no matter how much you post it still doesnt change the fact that the bible opinion of an ark is a flawed one ,that was not properly copied from other stories so as it stand now a flood may have happened but not the flood you think of or read in your bible.

you think it is flaw? that is your opinion though and you cannot force your opinion on others.
please back ur claim with relevant scientific papers.
bible is the oldest book in mankind history.
other flood accounts are oral tradition
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Nobody: 3:22pm On Jun 30, 2016
joyandfaith:


can u back ur claims with any scientific papers? no
is science reliable? no
i am not expecting what i wrote to make sense to you becaus you guys are fault finders.
you think science has answers to all questions?
answer my question what is the geography of the world before flood?
Science Doesn't Know Everything!! THATS Y They Keep On Doing Research If Science Knows Everything It Will Stop!! And That's Religion

What Do U Mean By Geography?? THE Size?? Or Mapping??
If Its Mapping?? Then U Must Know That Some Animals Can't Survive In Some Particular Location Eg Penguins I Bet U Didn't Think Of That One
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 3:23pm On Jun 30, 2016
Lilbrown007:
Still Not Making Any Sense At All U Know Cause U Ain't Using Ur Brain!!! All U Do Is Copy And Paste And What U Are Pasting Doesn't Even Mk Sense
1)NO Doubt They Was A Flood But Was It World Wide?? Hell no!!
2)they Are No Fossils Of Kangaroo In The Middle East At All!!
3)What Of The Peguines??
4)What Of Fresh Water Fish??
5)After The Flood Were Did They Get Food To Eat??

if deluge was not global but was widespresd enough to kill wicked ones.
no fossil record of lion in israel. can u explain that.
if flood was not global, then u get answer to fresh water fish
what did they eat during the flood?
can u tell me about ice age?
if flood actually occured, do you know impact of any extensive flood on climate.


The Bible clearly says that Noah was to take 2 of each kind of animal (and seven of some) onto the ark. This had to include penguins, polar bears and kangaroos. Animals which today live in very different ecosystems and continents.
But how did these animals get to the ark? And once there, how could they survive?
The Bible indicates that the "Pre-flood" world was much different than it is today, and likely to have been of uniform temperature everywhere (except at the poles) .
The drastic and extreme climatic difference we have today did not exist before the flood. In fact they are a result of the flood itself .
When God created the animals, he instilled in them an ability to adapt. God foresaw the entrance of sin and its effect on His perfect world. God created His creatures with an incredible ability to survive in various climates.
Some tropical animals can survive in cooler climates. And some animals that now live in Polar Regions can also survive in warmer temperatures.
Today marsupials live mainly in Australia. Penguins live in the Southern Hemisphere, while polar bears live in the north.
These diverse ecosystems did not exist prior to the flood (they are a result of it) .
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Nobody: 3:24pm On Jun 30, 2016
joyandfaith:


you think it is flaw? that is your opinion though and you cannot force your opinion on others.
please back ur claim with relevant scientific papers.
bible is the oldest book in mankind history.
other flood accounts are oral tradition
Do More Research Bible Is Not The Oldest Account Of Human History Every Religion Has Its Own History Of How It Started And Revelation!!
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Nobody: 3:27pm On Jun 30, 2016
joyandfaith:


if deluge was not global but was widespresd enough to kill wicked ones.
no fossil record of lion in israel. can u explain that.
if flood was not global, then u get answer to fresh water fish
what did they eat during the flood?
can u tell me about ice age?
if flood actually occured, do you know impact of any extensive flood on climate.


The Bible clearly says that Noah was to take 2 of each kind of animal (and seven of some) onto the ark. This had to include penguins, polar bears and kangaroos. Animals which today live in very different ecosystems and continents.
But how did these animals get to the ark? And once there, how could they survive?
The Bible indicates that the "Pre-flood" world was much different than it is today, and likely to have been of uniform temperature everywhere (except at the poles) .
The drastic and extreme climatic difference we have today did not exist before the flood. In fact they are a result of the flood itself .
When God created the animals, he instilled in them an ability to adapt. God foresaw the entrance of sin and its effect on His perfect world. God created His creatures with an incredible ability to survive in various climates.
Some tropical animals can survive in cooler climates. And some animals that now live in Polar Regions can also survive in warmer temperatures.
Today marsupials live mainly in Australia. Penguins live in the Southern Hemisphere, while polar bears live in the north.
These diverse ecosystems did not exist prior to the flood (they are a result of it) .
And Now U Are Making Things Up
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Nobody: 4:19pm On Jun 30, 2016
joyandfaith:


you think it is flaw? that is your opinion though and you cannot force your opinion on others.
please back ur claim with relevant scientific papers.
bible is the oldest book in mankind history.
other flood accounts are oral tradition
i don't need scientific evidence to back up my claims all i need is common philosophical explanation to tell you your bible is fake and not the word of god
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Ranchhoddas: 5:17pm On Jun 30, 2016
joyandfaith:

most of the questions are answered. read between lines
How did Kangaroos and Koalas get to Australia. It's not in the article.
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 5:54pm On Jun 30, 2016
stephenmorris:
i don't need scientific evidence to back up my claims all i need is common philosophical explanation to tell you your bible is fake and not the word of god

philosophy? human reasoning with fallacies. that is your school of thought, anyway, hold on to it.
i present facts that you cannot simple scientific arguement
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 5:57pm On Jun 30, 2016
nnofaith:
why do people take stuff that happen to jews as universal truth? how could it have been possible that only one jew named Noah and is family were righteous on earth? The Noah story is just another myth with no evidence to back it up. if yaweh was serious and he wanted this story to be believable he would have preserved Noah's arch to serve as testimony and as incontrovertible evidence. think about it all bible claims are nnever backed up by evidence, something rather convinient happens to the evidence;
Tower of Babel, no evidence
Noah's arch, no evidence
Ten commandment tablets, no evidence
arch of convenant, no evidence

you are free to add to the list.

bible is the evidence and no other book or authority can challenge it.
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 6:01pm On Jun 30, 2016
Lilbrown007:

Do More Research Bible Is Not The Oldest Account Of Human History Every Religion Has Its Own History Of How It Started And Revelation!!

bible is the oldest written book in human history dated 1513 b.c.e. last book of bible was written 98C.E. if you have contrary opinion, state your fact.
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 6:13pm On Jun 30, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
How did Kangaroos and Koalas get to Australia. It's not in the article.

One accusation thrown at biblical creationists is that kangaroos could not have hopped to Australia, because there are no fossils of kangaroos on the way. But the expectation of such fossils is a presuppositional error. Such an expectation is predicated on the assumption that fossils form gradually and inevitably from animal populations. In fact, fossilization is by no means inevitable. It usually requires sudden, rapid burial. Otherwise the bones would decompose before permineralization. One ought likewise to ask why it is that, despite the fact that millions of bison used to roam the prairies of North America, hardly any bison fossils are found there. Similarly, lion fossils are not found in Israel even though we know that lions once lived there.
Comparisons can be made with more modern recolonizations. For example, the
Encyclopædia Britannica has the following to say about Surtsey Island and Krakatoa and the multiplication of species.
Six months after the eruption of a volcano on the island of Surtsey off the coast of Iceland in 1963, the island had been colonized by a few bacteria, molds, insects, and birds. Within about a year of the eruption of a volcano on the island of Krakatoa in the tropical Pacific in 1883, a few grass species, insects, and vertebrates had taken hold. On both Surtsey and Krakatoa, only a few decades had elapsed before hundreds of species reached the islands. Not all species are able to take hold and become permanently established, but eventually the island communities stabilize into a dynamic equilibrium.

There is little secret, therefore, how nonflying animals may have travelled to the outer parts of the world after the Flood. Many of them could have floated on vast floating logs, left-overs from the massive pre-Flood forests that were ripped up during the Flood and likely remained afloat for many decades on the world’s oceans, transported by world currents. Others could later have been taken by people. Savolainen et al., have suggested, for example, that all Australian dingoes are descended from a single female domesticated dog from Southeast Asia. A third explanation of possible later migration is that animals could have crossed land bridges. This is, after all, how it is supposed by evolutionists that many animals and people migrated from Asia to the Americas—over a land bridge at the Bering Straits. For such land bridges to have existed, we may need to assume that sea levels were lower in the post-Flood period—an assumption based on a biblical model of the Ice Age.
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by joyandfaith: 6:18pm On Jun 30, 2016
Lilbrown007:

Science Doesn't Know Everything!! THATS Y They Keep On Doing Research If Science Knows Everything It Will Stop!! And That's Religion

What Do U Mean By Geography?? THE Size?? Or Mapping??
If Its Mapping?? Then U Must Know That Some Animals Can't Survive In Some Particular Location Eg Penguins I Bet U Didn't Think Of That One
You can find penguins in captivity in every continent, however all known species of penguins live naturally in the southern hemisphere. Contrary to general belief, Penguins do not live only in extremely cold conditions. Outside Antarctica, Penguins usually inhabit desertic regions and rocky islands where there are not a large number of land predators, so their incapacity to fly is not an issue.
Their habitat range from the ice shelf on Antarctica, like the emperor penguin, to some temperate islands near the equator, like the Galapagos penguin. Also, there are penguins living in South Africa and Australia.
Re: The Truth About Ark Of Noah: Response to Hardmirror by Nobody: 6:22pm On Jun 30, 2016
joyandfaith:


bible is the oldest written book in human history dated 1513 b.c.e. last book of bible was written 98C.E. if you have contrary opinion, state your fact.
Isnt The Dead Sea Scroll Older Than The Bible??

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